Anyone else loving Andrew?!

[Vicky.]

I am surprised. I have gone from not really thinking anything of him to absolutely loving him.

Finally someone has snapped with Indias bull****.

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.

Mind it would be hard to see India as a woman anyway given all they talk about is transition, being a man and mememememememememe

India completely cut off Andrew when he was talking about being camp..India has no interest at all in anything but themselves. Stupid self-centered prick.

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

[Vicky.]

I also think Shane knew exactly what he was doing in putting Andrew in drag to piss off India. Sly. I love him too :D

[Withano]

I love him

[RileyH]

Me :D he's brilliant

[Vanessa]

He's one of my favourites. So glad that he isn't taking India bull****. She's an attention seeker.
She has been pictured with drag queens at Pride events. The same events she said she didn't go to and she didn't look scared :suspect:

[Jake.]

He’s a tad fantastic and was completely right

[Jamie89]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

[Daniel-X]

My favourite so far (although I expected him to be because I loved him on TA.)

He's great. All the right ingredients for a housemate, not afraid to speak his mind (but does it without ever getting personal or offensive), funny, charismatic and charming. The list could go on and on TBH but his friendship with Courtney if it continues I believe could be the greatest relationship we've ever seen on the show.

[Jamie89]

He was in the right during the India argument though ^^

[Vicky.]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

This is what I thought of him before tonight. Especially with him going on yesterday about how everyone is acting nice to not leave first. Seems he has dropped the nice act now...I prefer honest Andrew tbh :laugh:

[reece(:]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).
a bit like James then!

I need more convincing, after all he said some messy things on TA.

[andybigbro]

Yeah he’s my fave!

[LukeB]

He's better than he was on TA because he was irrelevant and annoying when he had airtime

[Ant.]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

This tbh

I don't know because I can't find a single bad word to say about him but at the same time I just feel like I can't enjoy him :shrug:

[Underscore]

Amazing

[bots]

sorry, i think he is playing a role. The only point he reverted was when he got angry and basically called India a man, both by the aggression in his voice and the dickhead comment

[Jason.]

A smidgen overrated.

Didn't hate him as much as everyone else did during The Apprentice, but don't love him as much as everyone else does now.

[rph]

love him

[Vanessa]

It's good to see his fiesty side. About time someone stood up to India. If I was in there I would end up losing my patience as well.

[Ashley.]

He surprised me tonight. Really enjoying him.

[Jamie89]

a bit like James then!

I need more convincing, after all he said some messy things on TA.

Exactly like James! I was thinking that comparison too

[Parmy]

I am surprised. I have gone from not really thinking anything of him to absolutely loving him.

Finally someone has snapped with Indias bull****.

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.

Mind it would be hard to see India as a woman anyway given all they talk about is transition, being a man and mememememememememe

India completely cut off Andrew when he was talking about being camp..India has no interest at all in anything but themselves. Stupid self-centered prick.

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

Do you see her as a woman vicky? Cause calling a woman a prick aint normal.

[JupiterDrive]

i still find him insanely hot. :D

[Shaun]

Think he's getting a lot of praise for what other housemates were already doing: getting pissed off with India. But he's good-looking so ofc he is.

[bots]

Do you see her as a woman vicky? Cause calling a woman a prick aint normal.

it really isn't, his whole demeanor at the end was the way you would confront a man, if he did that to any other woman in the house the forum would have been in meltdown :laugh:

[andybigbro]

Think he's getting a lot of praise for what other housemates were already doing: getting pissed off with India. But he's good-looking so ofc he is.

But none of the others have let India know they are pissed of at her, maybe bar Malika.

[Shaun]

But none of the others have let India know they are pissed of at her, maybe bar Malika.

Rachel, Daniel, Ginuwine and John were all involved in that same argument, lol, saying "you can't say that" re: India labelling 'the guys' as "not seeing her as a woman". I hardly think storming out of the room makes Andrew the better person of that scene?

Malika, Ann and Maggie in the bedroom as well, saying she's being a hypocrite. (This admittedly wasn't 'to India' though)

[Jason.]

Exactly like James! I was thinking that comparison too

He's a knock off James Hill, both on The Apprentice and on CBB.

He played the same role on The Apprentice as James (albeit a watered down version) and I can't help but feel his friendship with Shane is forced (on his part) and an imitation of Jaustin.

[Parmy]

it really isn't, his whole demeanor at the end was the way you would confront a man, if he did that to any other woman in the house the forum would have been in meltdown :laugh:

Kind of indicates hypocricy in the angry pretty boy considering his speech about not wanting to offend anne.....yet indias a dickhead prick:joker:

[bots]

Rachel, Daniel, Ginuwine and John were all involved in that same argument, lol, saying "you can't say that" re: India labelling 'the guys' as "not seeing her as a woman". I hardly think storming out of the room makes Andrew the better person of that scene?

i think by this point she is right though, they don't by her own seriously ****ed up behaviour

[FwenchPussyCat]

He’s playing a good game I’ll give him that

[Vicky.]

Do you see her as a woman vicky? Cause calling a woman a prick aint normal.

Honestly, no. I know India 'identifies' as a woman whatever that means, but to me India is a male person. Has had surgery to resemble a woman due to sex dysphoria, but not the same as a woman.

I also do call women pricks sometimes, not often. Though prick and dickhead tend to be insults for men.

[andybigbro]

He's a knock off James Hill, both on The Apprentice and on CBB.

He played the same role on The Apprentice as James (albeit a watered down version) and I can't help but feel his friendship with Shane is forced (on his part) and an imitation of Jaustin.

I really don’t think he’s as calculated as this. :laugh:

[jaxie]

Andrew is my favourite among the young straight guys. I think he is the most interesting and least laddish of the three.

[andybigbro]

Rachel, Daniel, Ginuwine and John were all involved in that same argument, lol, saying "you can't say that" re: India labelling 'the guys' as "not seeing her as a woman". I hardly think storming out of the room makes Andrew the better person of that scene?

Malika, Ann and Maggie in the bedroom as well, saying she's being a hypocrite. (This admittedly wasn't 'to India' though)

I prefer when he walked off because it shows he isn’t pussyfooting around with her, the others play into her victimised self.

[Shaun]

I do like him, and he was right in his explaining of why he dressed up (and the example of him in a working-mens' club was an interesting one), I'm just reluctant to sign the series off straight away with an incredibly obvious winner :laugh:

[Daniel-X]

I didn't find him a dick at all on The Apprentice either, he was a bit 'laddish' but he was never horrible or anything. Just slightly immature compared to some of the other candidates but he was ****ing vilified for on it on here and I couldn't for the life of me understand why.

He was actually my favourite on TA too (and no not just because of looks!) he was really entertaining, and not much different to how he is being on here at all.

[EspeonBB]

He's an obvious winner but I like him too (and way more than on the Apprentice where he was really annoying)

[Parmy]

Honestly, no. I know India 'identifies' as a woman whatever that means, but to me India is a male person. Has had surgery to resemble a woman due to sex dysphoria, but not the same as a woman.

I also do call women pricks sometimes, not often. Though prick and dickhead tend to be insults for men.

Thanks....seeing as we are being honest i am certain she has now become a gay man trapped in a womans body...

The dalek bollox was used to mask her bitterness of actually NOT being able to climax anymore thus breeding her bitterness and resentment..
Im probably wrong but i think that is her (as an individual) problem.

[Epic.]

I didn't find him a dick at all on The Apprentice either, he was a bit 'laddish' but he was never horrible or anything. Just slightly immature compared to some of the other candidates but he was ****ing vilified for on it on here and I couldn't for the life of me understand why.

.

[Jason.]

I really don’t think he’s as calculated as this. :laugh:

Probably not, but it's something I've noticed.

He just comes across as a pastiche of James Hill to me, he's nothing special.

[AnnieK]

Honestly, no. I know India 'identifies' as a woman whatever that means, but to me India is a male person. Has had surgery to resemble a woman due to sex dysphoria, but not the same as a woman.

I also do call women pricks sometimes, not often. Though prick and dickhead tend to be insults for men.

Don't understand why offensive names have to be gender specific. I call girls pricks if they are. Maybe its more of a northern thing, prick and tit are my go to words for people being... well pricks and tits. Nothing gender specific or transphobic, act like a prick, ill call you one:shrug:

[Vicky.]

Don't understand why offensive names have to be gender specific. I call girls pricks if they are. Maybe its more of a northern thing, prick and tit are my go to words for people being... well pricks and tits. Nothing gender specific or transphobic, act like a prick, ill call you one:shrug:

Oddly enough I tend to use the c word or bitch for women. I know bitch is seriously sexist but its just my languge :S Dickhead, prick and wanker for men.

Cross over sometimes but this is just general language :laugh:

[andybigbro]

Probably not, but it's something I've noticed.

He just comes across as a pastiche of James Hill to me, he's nothing special.

I’m sure you’ll grow to love him :tongue:

[bots]

Oddly enough I tend to use the c word or bitch for women. I know bitch is seriously sexist but its just my languge :S Dickhead, prick and wanker for men.

Cross over sometimes but this is just general language :laugh:

I have never used the term dickhead to describe a woman, ever, and I'm not unfamiliar with using colourful language

[Rufus]

I think I got him completely wrong. He's actually a really great housemate and quite a nice person too.

[rusticgal]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).


I have to agree Jamie89....he is extremely immature. He is trying too hard to fit in and although I understood his point about getting in touch with his feminine side...it was a bit cringeworthy to listen to.
He has been watching the show...he knows there is backlash for India...was this his way of creating conflict with her? (although it doesn't take much)...and hence getting support...
Is that why everyone is loving him tonight?

[AnnieK]

I have never used the term dickhead to describe a woman, ever, and I'm not unfamiliar with using colourful language

You should meet some girls I know, dickheads the lot of em. :laugh: I look at people all the time and think "dick"' Again, it may be a location thing, but here in manchester swear words rarely are gender specific

[Parmy]

You should meet some girls I know, dickheads the lot of em. :laugh: I look at people all the time and think "dick"' Again, it may be a location thing, but here in manchester swear words rarely are gender specific

Looking at people thinking dick???...thirsty cow.:joker:

[andybigbro]

I have to agree Jamie89....he is extremely immature. He is trying too hard to fit in and although I understood his point about getting in touch with his feminine side...it was a bit cringeworthy to listen to.
He has been watching the show...he knows there is backlash for India...was this his way of creating conflict with her? (although it doesn't take much)...and hence getting support...
Is that why everyone is loving him tonight?

There wasn’t really much backlash for India before he entered,

[pontyboi]

I am surprised. I have gone from not really thinking anything of him to absolutely loving him.

Finally someone has snapped with Indias bull****.

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.

Mind it would be hard to see India as a woman anyway given all they talk about is transition, being a man and mememememememememe

India completely cut off Andrew when he was talking about being camp..India has no interest at all in anything but themselves. Stupid self-centered prick.

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

No offence Vicky but you're coming accross EXTREMELY transphobic constanly making posts Caliing trans people "them" and "it".

I can't stand India but I still think of her as a woman and not "it".

Btw girls are called that Jade calling Shilpa a ****ing prick is an example I don't get how you being a fan of Andrew and then accusing him of transphobia links together?

You seem to be be generalising one trans woman to everyone when infact India is just a prick.

[rusticgal]

There wasn’t really much backlash for India before he entered,

I disagree....India was wearing people down by day 2.

[andybigbro]

I disagree....India was wearing people down by day 2.

Yeah but the content “victim” has been since the males are in.

[Parmy]

He even called india "luvvy"..strange term to use..one i could imagine i would call an upset gay friend as i consoled him.

[Vicky.]

No offence Vicky but you're coming accross EXTREMELY transphobic co stanly making posts Cali g trans people "them" .

I can't stand India but I still think of her as a woman and not "it".

Btw girls are called that Jade calling Shilpa a ****ing prick is an example I don't get how you being a fan of Andrew and then accusing him of transphobia links together?

You seem to be be generalising one trans woman to everyone when infact India is just a prick.

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either. It is not transphobic to acknowledge that a transwoman is male. Especially a transwoman who speaks of nothing else but the transition and their life as a male.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense :p

[bots]

Yeah but the content “victim” has been since the males are in.

i think Ann made the first slip day 2, day 3 it was Rachel and then Amanda, and all that mess, which all happened before the guys went in

[Lostie!]

I like Andrew

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

Pretty much all of this too :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Ahh I see


Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

I meant ignore the drama and such. I was not calling India it.

[andybigbro]

i think Ann made the first slip day 2, day 3 it was Rachel and then Amanda, and all that mess, which all happened before the guys went in

Yeah but the constant victim act has been after the males entered.

[andybigbro]

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense :p

I never slipped up, :nono: I was referring to Andrew when I said he. India didn’t have any backlash before Andrew entered.

[Parmy]

Old age...its old age.

[Vicky.]

Oh. Well others have slipped up and its easy to do. When India keeps going on about it. I never had issues calling Nadia her or Luke he. As they barely mentioned it but India is always on about it so its always in my mind. Hence specifically using them/their/India. Pretty sure I have explained this before in another thread actually.

[pontyboi]

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense :p

I'm extremely un pc and hate that big brother in the past gave warnings for the fear of Ofcom that's why I'm loving freedom of speech this series.

Looking back at your your posts though why does it bother you so much that males identify as women? You absolutely 100% state you aren't comfortable with it but let's not call these people "them" as you have done in previous posts.

[rusticgal]

Yeah but the constant victim act has been after the males entered.


No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

[Tom4784]

He's one of my unexpected faves.

I'm tired of India, she doesn't have a phobia of drag queens, she has a phobia of not being the centre of attention.

[andybigbro]

No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.

[bots]

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.

i had made up my mind about india after the way she treated an 82 year old woman, Andrew would have seen that too

[Parmy]

The 2nd incident was aired the night the blokes went in i think? But i remember andrew on the live feed talking to amanda about how she had come across..she was fishing...there was no victim playing in the ann incident tbf

[Vicky.]

I'm extremely un pc and hate that big brother in the past gave warnings for the fear of Ofcom that's why I'm loving freedom of speech this series.

Looking back at your your posts though why does it bother you so much that males identify as women? You absolutely 100% state you aren't comfortable with it but let's not call these people "them" as you have done in previous posts.

Are you aware of whats going on at the moment with the GRA? This is nothing to do with big brother but its why I have an issue with anyone essentially being able to 'identify' their way into womanhood. I feel its all extremely damging to the rights of women and I think women should be able to basically have penis free spaces and men vagina free spaces. The law is about to be changed to say 'gender identity' overrides sex. Which is ****ing wrong and I am pushing back against it like hell. Yes I understand that India has no penis and I would have no issue with India using for example the womens changing room...but its literally anyone who says they are a woman in their head at the moment. There are currently male rapists with penises in female prisons, thats how bad it is. Very offtopic but trying to explain my issue with 'trans' as it is today. Also, possibly relevant, I have NO gender identity at all. I don't 'feel like a woman', I am a woman because..biology.

I have no issues using prefered pronouns as such, but given my posts in the serious debates forum I figured if I use she and slip up and say he, people will jump on it to say I am bigotted. Using them/they is gender neutral...and also it makes me think a bit more before pressing post.

And I really really do not think it is transphobic to say a transwoman is a transwoman, not a woman. Or that you would not shag a transwoman as they are male.

[Parmy]

Bet they wouldnt see a woman to man trans as a woman and shag them though.

[rusticgal]

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.


When Ann slipped up...she apologised and India seemed to accept it. Later in the evening when Ann was washing up, India went up to her in the kitchen and told Ann not to feel bad about it...it had all been discussed but India felt the need to highlight it AGAIN. The rest is history...
The public were backlashing on her by day 3 when Amanda and Rachel made the same mistake and India found her storyline...
It was all over this forum and Twitter etc....so please don't tell me the boys had no idea as they all said they had been watching.
But never mind...perhaps we will agree to disagree :wavey:

[pontyboi]

Are you aware of whats going on at the moment with the GRA? This is nothing to do with big brother but its why I have an issue with anyone essentially being able to 'identify' their way into womanhood. I feel its all extremely damging to the rights of women and I think women should be able to basically have penis free spaces and men vagina free spaces. The law is about to be changed to say 'gender identity' overrides sex. Which is ****ing wrong and I am pushing back against it like hell. Yes I understand that India has no penis and I would have no issue with India using for example the womens changing room...but its literally anyone who says they are a woman in their head at the moment. There are currently male rapists with penises in female prisons, thats how bad it is. Very offtopic but trying to explain my issue with 'trans' as it is today. Also, possibly relevant, I have NO gender identity at all. I don't 'feel like a woman', I am a woman because..biology.

I have no issues using prefered pronouns as such, but given my posts in the serious debates forum I figured if I use she and slip up and say he, people will jump on it to say I am bigotted. Using them/they is gender neutral...and also it makes me think a bit more before pressing post.

And I really really do not think it is transphobic to say a transwoman is a transwoman, not a woman. Or that you would not shag a transwoman as they are male.

This post just contains a **** load of contradictions and the fact you're so passionate about it speaks volumes.

I'm not gonna talk about it anymore as it could get ugly and I don't want the whole forum becoming a constant discussion of LGBTQ RIGHTS.

:blush:

[Parmy]

Puts down popcorn.

[Vicky.]

This post just contains a **** load of contradictions and the fact you're so passionate about it speaks volumes.

I'm not gonna talk about it anymore as it could get ugly and I don't want the whole forum becoming a constant discussion of LGBTQ RIGHTS.

:blush:

I am passionate about it as I am a feminist and care about the rights of women (born females) being eroded infront of my eyes. I see no contradictions, but up to you :)

[Parmy]

I am passionate about it as I am a feminist and care about the rights of women (born females) being eroded infront of my eyes. I see no contradictions, but up to you :)

Your rights are being eroded?!

Huh?

[rusticgal]

Puts down popcorn.

You do make me chuckle..:laugh:

[Vicky.]

Your rights are being eroded?!

Huh?

Not by India :laugh: Was trying to explain why I am so passionate about this whole 'gender identity' thing. I don't believe woman is simply an identity in ones head (I dont have a gender identity at all..do I not exist?!) I believe its a biological reality. This is not something for a BB thread tbh. Might make something in SD later, or bump one of my other threads about it.

No more popcorn needed :p

[pontyboi]

I am passionate about it as I am a feminist and care about the rights of women (born females) being eroded infront of my eyes. I see no contradictions, but up to you :)

Sorry but I have to respond to this.

How does someone who has no choice to live their life as a female or be eternally unhappy affect you? ...because you were lucky enough to be born into a body you feel comfortable in?

Also you're flippant about being female in one post stating its just about having a penis or vagina then you jump on the feminism bandwagon.....you're the definition of India!

God bless you and your erosion lol.

[Robertocarlo]

I am surprised. I have gone from not really thinking anything of him to absolutely loving him.

Finally someone has snapped with Indias bull****.

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.

Mind it would be hard to see India as a woman anyway given all they talk about is transition, being a man and mememememememememe

India completely cut off Andrew when he was talking about being camp..India has no interest at all in anything but themselves. Stupid self-centered prick.

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.


Absolutely agree with you 110% I loath India now and am loving Andrew, who wouldn't?!

Anyway, sick to death of India's tantrums and hissy fits and just hope she's gone on Friday - and good riddance to her and her fake journey.

[Parmy]

Ping.

[Vicky.]

Sorry but I have to respond to this.

How does someone who has no choice to live their life as a female or be eternally unhappy affect you? ...because you were lucky enough to be born into a body you feel comfortable in?

Also you're flippant about being female in one post stating its just about having a penis or vagina then you jump on the feminism bandwagon.....you're the definition of India!

God bless you and your erosion lol.

Being female or male IS all about biology. How would you define it?

It affects me as laws are about to be changed to allow literally anyone to just say they are the opposite sex and 'be' that. As I said, we already have male rapists in female prisons, how do you feel about that?

https://fairplayforwomen.com/gra-reform/the-gender-recognition-act

If you are actually interested rather than trying to trip me up :D MPs are finally starting to listen and it has been postponed for now. Was going to be pushed through with only the advice of extreme transactivists.

[Parmy]

Absolutely agree with you 110% I loath India now and am loving Andrew, who wouldn't?!

Anyway, sick to death of India's tantrums and hissy fits and just hope she's gone on Friday - and good riddance to her and her fake journey.

Indias trying to be cool and relevant like she was on entrance...unfortunatly she just isnt pulling it off anymore...so to speak.:hehe:

[Robertocarlo]

He's one of my unexpected faves.

I'm tired of India, she doesn't have a phobia of drag queens, she has a phobia of not being the centre of attention.

My thoughts exactly!

[Cherie]

I don't :worry: I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

Same

[Parmy]

You do make me chuckle..:laugh:

:hee:

All andrew is doing is chuntering out the same old bollocks every kid comes out with these days to show how they aint this phobic or that phobic..pretty face and charming smile and ways...not my kind of winner..been done.

[Cherie]

No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

Yep

[point17]

He is just great to watch and listen to so i agree aha

[Cherie]

Vanessa's impact

[pontyboi]

Being female or male IS all about biology. How would you define it?

It affects me as laws are about to be changed to allow literally anyone to just say they are the opposite sex and 'be' that. As I said, we already have male rapists in female prisons, how do you feel about that?

https://fairplayforwomen.com/gra-reform/the-gender-recognition-act

If you are actually interested rather than trying to trip me up :D MPs are finally starting to listen and it has been postponed for now. Was going to be pushed through with only the advice of extreme transactivists.

No I agree that you feel uncomfortable with it but you seem to be uninformed and a lot brain washed which I didn't excpect from a member of tibb staff.

Imagine your child grows up to be transgender for instance and other women then automatically say NO just incase they may rape them....I mean nothing is more attractive to a trans woman than going into the ladies to see them taking a ****.

Youre off topic on your own thread...it's apparently supposed to be about you liking Andrew yet your pushing your beliefs on others.

You honestly sound like a nazi and don't understand it's about a persons MIND (look up the charity) and not sex.

[Vicky.]

No I agree that you feel uncomfortable with it but you seem to be uninformed and a lot brain washed which I didn't excpect from a member of tibb staff.

Imagine your child grows up to be transgender for instance and other women then automatically say NO just incase they may rape them....I mean nothing is more attractive to a trans woman than going into the ladies to see them taking a ****.

Youre off topic on your own thread...it's apparently supposed to be about you liking Andrew yet your pushing your beliefs on others.

You honestly sound like a nazi and don't understand it's about a persons MIND (look up the charity) and not sex.
You started this :laugh: And I am not uninformed either. I am too informed. I kind of wish I didn't know what was going on right now.

I can live with someone thinking I am a nazi for caring about womens rights.

[pontyboi]

You started this :laugh: And I am not uninformed either. I am too informed. I kind of wish I didn't know what was going on right now.

I can live with someone thinking I am a nazi for caring about womens rights.

No I didn't it was evident from your first post what you thought it was full of undertones and I just happened to clock it then you "come out" as being a feminist lol.

Shall we just stick to we both like Andrew?

[Vicky.]

Yes, I like Andrew :joker:

Tomorrow that may change though. My opinions are all over the place and I generally have a firm fave by now

[pontyboi]

Yes, I like Andrew :joker:

Tomorrow that may change though. My opinions are all over the place and I generally have a firm fave by now

Agreed.

Right let's go take a piss together.

[Ashley.]

No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

Exactly. If it was such a big issue for her, she would have walked out of the room when Malika gave her a chance to do so. But she didn't. I'll be happy when she's voted out of there.

[GoldHeart]

I find Andrew annoying tbh and silly , i'm glad he walked away from India but i wish all of them did that every time she had a silly tantrum.

[GreenIce]

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.



I don't think one person in that house sees India as a woman.

[GreenIce]

Exactly. If it was such a big issue for her, she would have walked out of the room

Totally. If I were in that house and they said they were going to bring in a snake, I'd be out of the room like a shot and probably try to escape the house as well.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sorry but I have to respond to this.

How does someone who has no choice to live their life as a female or be eternally unhappy affect you? ...because you were lucky enough to be born into a body you feel comfortable in?

Also you're flippant about being female in one post stating its just about having a penis or vagina then you jump on the feminism bandwagon.....you're the definition of India!

God bless you and your erosion lol.

So are you saying India and Kellie are happy now despite taxpayers money being thrown at them ? neither of them are

[GreenIce]

I find Andrew annoying tbh and silly

Me too. His teeth are to die for though, :grin2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

no he is a bit of a dick and looks apart this thread would never have got past page one

dont even think of denying that


:idc:

[Vicky.]

No denying he is ****ing gorgeous. Thats actually the reason why I thought he would b e boring. usually the goodlooking ones are just wallpaper :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Lovely to look at,but I think theres something quite fake about him

[GoldHeart]

Me too. His teeth are to die for though, :grin2:

I didn't even notice his teeth . He acts younger than his age though :rolleyes: , if he does a grovelling apology to that ugly bint India then I'll be annoyed. :bored: .

[chuff me dizzy]

I didn't even notice his teeth . He acts younger than his age though :rolleyes: , if he does a grovelling apology to that ugly bint India then I'll be annoyed. :bored: .

You know he will,he did it the other day :rant:

[Eddie.]

Love how he and Malika are just tired of India's bull****.

[chuff me dizzy]

Love how he and Malika are just tired of India's bull****.

Big difference being Malika wont grovel and apologise to India ,where Andrew will

[GoldHeart]

Big difference being Malika wont grovel and apologise to India ,where Andrew will

The worst cringe apology grovel was Amanda when she kept saying "sorry" to that ungrateful twat over and over again a billion Times :facepalm: .

And yeah I think Andrew will apology as well because he's scared he'll look "bad" , if Kim Woodbourn was there she'd call him a CHICKEN LIVER :hehe: .

If anything I'd demand an apology from India and then I'd dismiss it in a frosty way by saying
apology not accepted , like what she did with Amanda .

[Vicky.]

The worst cringe apology grovel was Amanda when she kept saying "sorry" to that ungrateful twat over and over again a billion Times :facepalm: .

And yeah I think Andrew will apology as well because he's scared he'll look "bad" , if Kim Woodbourn was there she'd call him a CHICKEN LIVER :hehe: .

If anything I'd demand an apology from India and then I'd dismiss it in a frosty way by saying
apology not accepted , like what she did with Amanda .
Pfft. Good luck with that :laugh:

I would just avoid India like the plague tbh. But if all the housemates did that then India would get the sympathy vote for being 'isolated' even though theres a perfectly good reason for it

[chuff me dizzy]

Pfft. Good luck with that :laugh:

I would just avoid India like the plague tbh. But if all the housemates did that then India would get the sympathy vote for being 'isolated' even though theres a perfectly good reason for it

Thats what i would do, if she came into a room I was in I would leave

[GoldHeart]

Thats what i would do, if she came into a room I was in I would leave

I would too. But the point I'm making is if anyone should apologise then she should for being a twat !, but she never takes responsibility for her ugly actions :bored:.

I'm sick & tired of the housemates enabling her , she's like a disturbed child . And she never takes on board anything people say, she just enjoys crying and bitching . I wish they'd stop giving her air time :rant: .

[Niamh.]

Yeah I like him so far

[Ellen]

He seems to be a nice lad, dont think he is quite sure how to handle things at the mo though.

[Vicky.]

Yes, I like Andrew :joker:

Tomorrow that may change though. My opinions are all over the place and I generally have a firm fave by now

Aaaand...gone way of him tonight :laugh: The 'lads banter' was gross. And I may have been slightly swayed by the fact that he was kicking off with a housemate I passionately dislike now that I have thought about it more.

Also went off Malika due to her lack of balls. Not in not nominating India..but just the pathetic way she went on over the nominations to start with. Really did think she would be blunt and honest rather than a simpering mess like she was.

Never before have my opinions changed so much..and so often in a series.

[Vanessa]

I don't like him when he's showing off with the lads. Only when he's away from them.

[bots]

Aaaand...gone way of him tonight :laugh: The 'lads banter' was gross. And I may have been slightly swayed by the fact that he was kicking off with a housemate I passionately dislike now that I have thought about it more.

Also went off Malika due to her lack of balls. Not in not nominating India..but just the pathetic way she went on over the nominations to start with. Really did think she would be blunt and honest rather than a simpering mess like she was.

Neve before have my opinions changed so much..and so often in a series.

Andrew behaves as he thinks people want him to, he is fake fake fake

[Amy Jade]

Aaaand...gone way of him tonight :laugh: The 'lads banter' was gross. And I may have been slightly swayed by the fact that he was kicking off with a housemate I passionately dislike now that I have thought about it more.

Also went off Malika due to her lack of balls. Not in not nominating India..but just the pathetic way she went on over the nominations to start with. Really did think she would be blunt and honest rather than a simpering mess like she was.

Never before have my opinions changed so much..and so often in a series.

I totally agree!

I liked him yesterday but tonight he was awful, his personality flip flops depending on who he chats to, that wouldn't bother me if he wasn't SO different and being nice to the girls and then discussing them like meat behind their back.

[Vanessa]

I totally agree!

I liked him yesterday but tonight he was awful, his personality flip flops depending on who he chats to, that wouldn't bother me if he wasn't SO different and being nice to the girls and then discussing them like meat behind their back.

To be fair, all the lads are awful when they're together. Except for Courtney, who is always lovely.

[andybigbro]

I totally agree!

I liked him yesterday but tonight he was awful, his personality flip flops depending on who he chats to, that wouldn't bother me if he wasn't SO different and being nice to the girls and then discussing them like meat behind their back.

Girls talk about guys all the time :rolleyes: and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

[Vanessa]

Girls talk about guys all the time :rolleyes: and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

Mmmm, i don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable, to be honest.

[Daniel-X]

I'm not a woman so I can't comment like Amy/Vanessa can but can someone recall what the offensive comment was from Andrew, I didn't find the banter particularly 'tasteless' or offensive tbf.

[Amy Jade]

Girls talk about guys all the time :rolleyes: and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

I heard Jess and Ashley giggling and discussing who Ashley fancied.

I saw Andrew, Jonny and Dapper talking about who they would bang and generally being knobs and disrespectful.

I saw a big difference but then my fave wasn't being awful so my rose tinted glasses are off

[andybigbro]

Mmmm, i don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable, to be honest.

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

:conf2:

[Jamie89]

Andrew behaves as he thinks people want him to, he is fake fake fake

Yeah I agree with this. He comes across to me like he's trying to cover as many angles as possible for the sake of the viewers and it just seems really contrived, I don't feel like I know him at all.

[bots]

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

:conf2:

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

[Vanessa]

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

:conf2:

I just get the feeling that Andrew acts completely different when he's with the lads. I actually think he's quite nice when he's away from them.

[andybigbro]

I heard Jess and Ashley giggling and discussing who Ashley fancied.

I saw Andrew, Jonny and Dapper talking about who they would bang and generally being knobs and disrespectful.

I saw a big difference but then my fave wasn't being awful so my rose tinted glasses are off

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

[rusticgal]

Aaaand...gone way of him tonight :laugh: The 'lads banter' was gross. And I may have been slightly swayed by the fact that he was kicking off with a housemate I passionately dislike now that I have thought about it more.

Also went off Malika due to her lack of balls. Not in not nominating India..but just the pathetic way she went on over the nominations to start with. Really did think she would be blunt and honest rather than a simpering mess like she was.

Never before have my opinions changed so much..and so often in a series.


I said last night Andrew was fake...and very disappointed in Malinka. She has had the balls to confront India but moaned all week and she went way down in my estimations by not nominating her...

[Amy Jade]

I'm not a woman so I can't comment like Amy/Vanessa can but can someone recall what the offensive comment was from Andrew, I didn't find the banter particularly 'tasteless' or offensive tbf.

I would be grossed out if I heard someone say they wanted to 'bang me' as I am not a balloon. Call me pretty or interesting and that's a compliment but to talk about me like im there to be used like trash and I would feel disrespected.

That's why guys me age are of no interest to me, a majority are vile.

[andybigbro]

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Yeah I get that.

[Vanessa]

Daniel is awful when he's with the lads. Hate the vulgar talk. Urgh!

[Cherie]

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe :hee:

[Vicky.]

Girls talk about guys all the time :rolleyes: and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much :joker:

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?

[Daniel-X]

I would be grossed out if I heard someone say they wanted to 'bang me' as I am not a balloon. Call me pretty or interesting and that's a compliment but to talk about me like im there to be used like trash and I would feel disrespected.

That's why guys me age are of no interest to me, a majority are vile.

Fair enough, if someone said it about me I wouldn't care but as a woman I can see why you would be offended. Still I don't mind his quite 'laddish' behaviour, it isn't to the extent of Lewis/Bear or anything, just quite harmless.

[Amy Jade]

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

Maybe girls do but in this situation they didn't :shrug:

Andrew is fake, he treats the girls with respect to their face but reverts to caveman as soon as they are out of earshot

[Vanessa]

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe :hee:

even Ann isn't safe :laugh2:

[rusticgal]

I don't like him when he's showing off with the lads. Only when he's away from them.

So he is a different person with them and a different one without them...that makes him FAKE..

[andybigbro]

I ****ing hate the word banter so much :joker:

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man'.

So which was the real Andrew?

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

[Vanessa]

So he is a different person with them and a different one without them...that makes him FAKE..

I think he's showing off when he's with the lads.

[Ant.]

I ****ing hate the word banter so much :joker:

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?

:clap1:

[Amy Jade]

Fair enough, if someone said it about me I wouldn't care but as a woman I can see why you would be offended. Still I don't mind his quite 'laddish' behaviour, it isn't to the extent of Lewis/Bear or anything, just quite harmless.

I have no time for any guy who doesn't treat me with respect, perhaps it's because I was always taugh to never put up with anything less.

[bots]

I have no time for any guy who doesn't treat me with respect, perhaps it's because I was always taugh to never put up with anything less.

quite right too, don't let anyone tell you differently

[Nancy.]

I've completely gone off him. Seems like an arrogant *****, tbh.

[Vanessa]

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

[Amy Jade]

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.
Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

[andybigbro]

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

[Vanessa]

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

Daniel is the one who i'm liking less and less. His vulgar talk is quite frankly disgusting.

[Vanessa]

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

He needs to stick with Courtney. I love their friendship.

[Nancy.]

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

Neither do I, Vanessa. He's like a different person when he's with them.

[Nancy.]

He needs to stick with Courtney. I love their friendship.

:clap2:

[andybigbro]

Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

Ok.. :umm2:

Yeah but some may be more open with their girl pals and talk about boys and who they would “bang”- they might not use that word but some equivalent.

I think the whole conversation is being slightly over-reacted. Yes it’s not very respectful but i don’t think it defines his character.

[Vanessa]

Daniel really needs to go. He just winds me up so much.

[Vicky.]

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

Do they? I don't. If I am in a room full of family or something I will try to wtch my language and that but I don't totally change or anything.

And certainly not to the degree of one minute complaining about toxic masculinity and rigid gender norms and the next...behaving in that very same way.

[andybigbro]

Do they? I don't. If I am in a room full of family or something I will try to wtch my language and that but I don't totally change or anything.

And certainly not to the degree of one minute complaining about toxic masculinity and rigid gender norms and the next...behaving in that very same way.

Yeah they do. No one is he exact same with everyone we meet. We adapt our personality to suit and for social “survival” strategies.

He was saying that he couldn’t walk into the bar in drag because the laddish behaviour of the pub folks. I can’t remember exactly what he said but I don’t think it was anything to do with lad chat or banter. He said he was camp, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a lad. Most lads these days are and very metrosexual

[Vicky.]

I have literally never changed my personality completely based on which mates/people I am with. Its news to me that this is apparently common

[bots]

I have literally never changed my personality completely based on which mates/people I am with. Its news to me that this is apparently common

i could imagine people toning things down for polite company, but to me that means Andrew is most comfortable with the "banter"

[andybigbro]

I have literally never changed my personality completely based on which mates/people I am with. Its news to me that this is apparently common

It doesn’t have to be mates. If you met he queen, would you be Vicky on a night out? If you were at a job interview would you be the same as Vicky with her kids.

I know these are extreme cases but people do change slightly on how they perceive others.

[Amy Jade]

I have literally never changed my personality completely based on which mates/people I am with. Its news to me that this is apparently common

I don't either.

I am slightly quiter around non friends and watch my language with adults but as a rule I am my usual self in social situations

[andybigbro]

Well I disagree. You probably just don’t realise you change slightly.

Yes, I know you better than you know yourself before you say anything :hee: :tongue:

[Jase.]

Just shoved a bit of money on him to win. Can't believe how much more likeable he's coming across than he did on the Apprentice.

[Vicky.]

It doesn’t have to be mates. If you met he queen, would you be Vicky on a night out? If you were at a job interview would you be the same as Vicky with her kids.

I know these are extreme cases but people do change slightly on how they perceive others.

If I was drunk and there was music :D

[andybigbro]

If I was drunk and there was music :D

Fair enough :laugh:

[Vicky.]

And job interview/mummy...I don't think a potential boss would particularly enjoy me chasing them round the room pretending to be the long armed ticklemonster tbh.

I do get where you are coming from, but I just cannot believe its common to change your personality competely based on who you are with. And the extreme examples are pretty moot as he is with groups of mates, who he is living with.

[joeysteele]

Yes, I have come to like him.

[andybigbro]

And job interview/mummy...I don't think a potential boss would particularly enjoy me chasing them round the room pretending to be the long armed ticklemonster tbh.

I do get where you are coming from, but I just cannot believe its common to change your personality competely based on who you are with. And the extreme examples are pretty moot as he is with groups of mates, who he is living with.

I never said completely change it, and of course he isn’t gonna say those thing in front of Ann etc.

[Vicky.]

I never said completely change it, and of course he isn’t gonna say those thing in front of Ann etc.

But he is changing totally! LIke literally a different person with the 'lads' and with anyone else. He is polar opposite when with Jonny and Daniel as he is with Courtney (I know they all try to watch themselves around Ann)

[andybigbro]

But he is changing totally! LIke literally a different person with the 'lads' and with anyone else. He is polar opposite when with Jonny and Daniel as he is with Courtney (I know they all try to watch themselves around Ann)

Because lad banter. :laugh: I wouldn’t say he was completely different with Courtney, in the pool they were throwing banter about pissing etc.

Banter. I know you hate the world but it’s all just banter :p hahah

[smudgie]

Totally. If I were in that house and they said they were going to bring in a snake, I'd be out of the room like a shot and probably try to escape the house as well.

I hope you are strong because I would be jumping on your back to go with you.:hehe:

[Vicky.]

Mint banter eh

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3644991.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Kris-Donnelly.jpg

Hes part of the reason I hate the word so much actually :D