Transphobic housemates

[Otaka]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

[Livia]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

She's hardly trying to make the trans community proud. She's even refused to acknowledge their work in the past that has helped her be who she wants to be.

People are allowed to dislike India. Being trans doesn't mean everyone has to like you or they're transphobic. Just like every man doesn't have to fancy her because she considers herself female.

[Vicky.]

Yes, they are all dreadfully transphobic. Genuwine really does need to shag India to prove he is not :joker:

What a load of ****. They try to refer to india by preferred pronouns, and baby India constantly. They put up with the ridiculous toddler tantrums too.

[Livia]

Yes, they are all dreadfully transphobic. Genuwine really does need to shag India to prove he is not :joker:

What a load of ****. They try to refer to india by preferred pronouns, and baby India constantly. They put up with the ridiculous toddler tantrums too.

She used to be a man. They're used to getting what they want immediately and being listened to when they speak. Having not grown up a woman, that wouldn't occur to her.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

get them!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

I think you have uncovered some uncomfortable truths there, I think they are all transgender haters, especially Maggie and Jess. And if I am honest the level of transophobia on here from our thriving and bustling gay community has come as an unsettling shock, I think you may agree?

:shocked:

[Shaun]

relatiates

says it all

[chuff me dizzy]

Sweet Jesus shoot me now :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sweet Jesus shoot me now :facepalm:

they would if you were a transgender lady

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Sweet Jesus shoot me now :facepalm:

https://m.popkey.co/322efc/6GQLm_s-200x150.gif

[Vicky.]

She used to be a man. They're used to getting what they want immediately and being listened to when they speak. Having not grown up a woman, that wouldn't occur to her.

Haha this is ****ing spot on really. How many 50 year old women are showered with the attention India is getting? And the Genuwine thing, India seems to not know that when women get older men tend to lose interest in shagging them anyway. This really is the issue with all of this 'I am a real woman' stuff. India has not grown up a woman, so India still acts like a 'typical man' (not saying all men are like that but many do speak over people and think attention should be on them at all times). If India had actually grown up a woman, no way would india act in the way India does and demand the amount of attention that she does. India would likely 'know her place'. I mean I am a proud feminist these days, and even I do shut up when my husband starts talking over me. Its learnt behaviour. I do try not to do it but it seems...almost innate as its something thats been drilled into me since being a very young child. Girls are meant to look pretty and give boys attention when they want it. Its very very hard to unlearn it. I try so hard to treat both my kids the same but even that...I tend to find myself telling my daughter to stop climbing as she will hurt herself, whilst allowing my boy to do it as 'thats just what boys do'. Stuff like that.

[AnnieK]

Yes, they are all dreadfully transphobic. Genuwine really does need to shag India to prove he is not :joker:

What a load of ****. They try to refer to india by preferred pronouns, and baby India constantly. They put up with the ridiculous toddler tantrums too.

To be honest I think that would be the only way he could redeem himself in India's eyes now......ridiculous.

[chuff me dizzy]

Haha this is ****ing spot on really. How many 50 year old women are showered with the attention India is getting? And the Genuwine thing, India seems to not know that when women get older men tend to lose interest in shagging them anyway. This really is the issue with all of this 'I am a real woman' stuff. India has not grown up a woman, so India still acts like a 'typical man' (not saying all men are like that but many do speak over people and think attention should be on them at all times). If India had actually grown up a woman, no way would india act in the way India does and demand the amount of attention that she does. India would likely 'know her place'. I mean I am a proud feminist these days, and even I do shut up when my husband starts talking over me. Its learnt behaviour. I do try not to do it but it seems...almost innate as its something thats been drilled into me since being a very young child. Girls are meant to look pretty and give boys attention when they want it. Its very very hard to unlearn it. I try so hard to treat both my kids the same but even that...I tend to find myself telling my daughter to stop climbing as she will hurt herself, whilst allowing my boy to do it as 'thats just what boys do'. Stuff like that.

You cannot defy nature, India is a man who's had an op

[Vicky.]

To be honest I think that would be the only way he could redeem himself in India's eyes now......ridiculous.

I do think india is genuinely trying to guilt him into shagging her. Which is from my experience, quite a typical behaviour (again, not all trans people are like that..obviously, but a significant minority clearly are) as so every single one of my lesbian friends have been guilted (or attempted to be guilted into) into doing stuff with transwomen (who have penises..not even fully transitioned) on threat of being called transphobic. Its horrendous. Google cotton ceiling if you have a good stomach...theres actually a term for how lesbians reject male bodied people and how its really wrong apparently. As being a lesbian and rejecting shagging male people is so wrong and bigoted. I am kind of glad that the attention is on a guy for once in this regard. And its shown what I have always known (and have spoken to lesbian friends affected by this about).. that guys just will not stand for it and will basically say '**** off'. whilst women feel the need to be 'nice' and 'accommodating' and basically in this instance, set their sexuality aside to please others.

Edit - link about cotton ceiling lesbophobic rubbish https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

[Brillopad]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

So Ginuine refuses to date trans people because he is scared of them. What a total load of old garbage. Stop trying to tell us all how to think! India is only as strong as her self-indulgent tantrums.

[Oliver_W]

"Internalised transphobia"? So they're all trans?

If she wasn't always banging on about her transition, it wouldn't be in the forefront of their minds. No-one cares much if someone is trans, and most will make an effort to respect pronouns, but when all someone talks about is their trans status, it draws attention to it. Plus, most of those who slipped up are ancient; there's no use trying to say an 82 year old bisexual woman who's spent a million years in showbiz is anythingphobic, let alone anything to do with LGBTQWERTY.

As for not wanting to date or **** a trap, that's not transphobic either, it's called being attracted to one biological sex. As someone said elsewhere on here, if you asked half the men if they would date a woman over 50, you'd probably get the same answer!

[Tom4784]

She's not fallen victim to any transphobic behavior since she's been in there from what we've seen. People have made mistakes, yes but to brand anyone any kind of -phobic for what is genuinely a mistake is stupid and counter productive.

India wants to see Transphobia everywhere she looks because she thinks it gives her power over other HMs and keeps her the center of attention. She puts words in people's mouths in order to brand them bigoted for no good reason which is just plain malicious considering the damage accusations like that can cause.

People like her do more damage for the cause than they help and she shouldn't be exempt from criticism when she's giving people who are opposed to transgender and transsexual people ammunition to use against them.

[Jamie89]

I honestly don't think those things make them transphobic.

Misgendering happens, I've done it accidentally towards a transmale and I can say with absolute certainty it wasn't due to transphobia or not seeing him as male.

Also don't think genuine showed transphobia. I mean he didn't say why he wouldn't date a trans person but there's many reasons it could be that aren't transphobic, so I'm not sure how that conclusion could be reached? And not being attracted to someone doesn't mean you fear them. I'm gay but I'm not afraid of women [emoji23]

Courtney didn't get Andrew to dress in drag to upset her. They did it for fun and made sure India was aware of what was happening didn't they?

And I'm not sure how Anns views of gay rights makes her transphobic? Entirely seperate things.

Transphobia is a problem generally in society though, and yeah I think people could sometimes be more sensitive to trans issues, I just don't think these things are examples of that tbh. (Also don't think trans people should really look to India as a role model [emoji23] but then she shouldnt have to be one. I suppose it is good to have someone in the spotlight bringing trans issues into discussion though, even if it is India)

[Vicky.]

"Internalised transphobia"? So they're all trans?

If she wasn't always banging on about her transition, it wouldn't be in the forefront of their minds. No-one cares much if someone is trans, and most will make an effort to respect pronouns, but when all someone talks about is their trans status, it draws attention to it. Plus, most of those who slipped up are ancient; there's no use trying to say an 82 year old bisexual woman who's spent a million years in showbiz is anythingphobic, let alone anything to do with LGBTQWERTY.

As for not wanting to date or **** a trap, that's not transphobic either, it's called being attracted to one biological sex. As someone said elsewhere on here, if you asked half the men if they would date a woman over 50, you'd probably get the same answer!
Someone made that point on BOTS last night. First BOTS I had actually watched this year. The last person who would be anything phobic is Amanda

[Oliver_W]

As for drag being "transphobic"

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Wesley Snipes explains the difference between transpeople and drag queens.

[Vicky.]

I honestly don't think those things make them transphobic.

Misgendering happens, I've done it accidentally towards a transmale and I can say with absolute certainty it wasn't due to transphobia or not seeing him as male.

Also don't think genuine showed transphobia. I mean he didn't say why he wouldn't date a trans person but there's many reasons it could be that aren't transphobic, so I'm not sure how that conclusion could be reached? And not being attracted to someone doesn't mean you fear them. I'm gay but I'm not afraid of women [emoji23]

Courtney didn't get Andrew to dress in drag to upset her. They did it for fun and made sure India was aware of what was happening didn't they?

And I'm not sure how Anns views of gay rights makes her transphobic? Entirely seperate things.

Transphobia is a problem generally in society though, and yeah I think people could sometimes be more sensitive to trans issues, I just don't think these things are examples of that tbh. (Also don't think trans people should really look to India as a role model [emoji23] but then she shouldnt have to be one. I suppose it is good to have someone in the spotlight bringing trans issues into discussion though, even if it is India)

No of course she shouldn't. Paris Lees made that point too on BOTS last night. And said she wished India could fly the flag for transpeople but...no :laugh:

I have said in another thread, I don;t know why when minorities go into the house people assume they are representative of the entire group...as if minorities as one huge mass of hive minds or something

[Ellen]

I dont believe they are transphobic, you are using this word as a way to shut people down who just dont like her because she is not been particularly nice in her behaviour.

[Livia]

I dont believe they are transphobic, you are using this word as a way to shut people down who just dont like her because she is not been particularly nice in her behaviour.

So many people talking sense in here today!

[Jamie89]

No of course she shouldn't. Paris Lees made that point too on BOTS last night. And said she wished India could fly the flag for transpeople but...no [emoji23]

I have said in another thread, I don;t know why when minorities go into the house people assume they are representative of the entire group...as if minorities as one huge mass of hive minds or somethingI'd hate to have the pressure of representing a whole group of people, and I'd hate to be represented by a lot of the gay men that have been housemates in the past [emoji23] it's natural to look to people as role models I suppose and hope they might in some way do good for a larger group of people... but realisitcally it shouldn't be an expectation of someone on big brother.

To completely contradict myself though I do think Courtney could have a very positive impact on a lot of people's views of drag queens. Probably just depends on the person and he's quite a unique case.

[bots]

I'd hate to have the pressure of representing a whole group of people, and I'd hate to be represented by a lot of the gay men that have been housemates in the past [emoji23] it's natural to look to people as role models I suppose and hope they might in some way do good for a larger group of people... but realisitcally it shouldn't be an expectation of someone on big brother.

To completely contradict myself though I do think Courtney could have a very positive impact on a lot of people's views of drag queens. Probably just depends on the person and he's quite a unique case.

what you have done inadvertently is state the fundamental truth. It doesn't matter what sex, gender or anything else someone is. People are ultimately judged by their character and their character alone, their individuality. There are a few bigots in the world, but they are by far a tiny minority

[luvjustin]

First of all, internalised transphobia would mean they themselves were trans and were hating on themselves.

If what you actually mean is India is suffering due to others lack of empathy or disdain for what she is.. you’re wrong. Everyone in there is going out of there way to treat her as a woman. To treat her as a human being. She is the one constantly bring up her transition.

If anyone had actually said anything remotely offensive to her they would be gone. No way Big Brother would risk India’s rath. Or the rather of everybody watching .

[ethanjames]

I'm just gonna repeat what everyone else is saying BUT the housemates aren't transphobic. they may act differently around india but that's because of how offended she gets over small things not because she is trans. they also may not understand it but yet again that isn't transphobic as they are attempting to be kind and patient (but when ur with someone like india that may be tough). drag is not transphobic or offensive (unless the person doing drag is transphobic or offensive) its an act of gender expression/playing a role its not anything india should have got fussed about. she didn't have to like it but she didn't even try and relate to Andrews point of view.
and obviously the housemates would have to be trans for it to be internalised transphobia. if anyone was genuinely offensive to india (as in misgendering her constantly reminding her she lived as a guy using slurs etc) then this would be a different story yet they haven't.

[rusticgal]

Can’t believe all the internalised transphobia of the housemates. All of them calling India he acknowledging they don’t agree with her change then getting surprised when she relatiates. Gender dysphoria is very painful and trans suicide rates are absurd because of it and these ppl are making a mockery of it.

For example ginuine refusing to date trans people just shows he’s scared of them. Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag to upset her. Disgusting. Then conservative Ann being homophobic you can tell she also hates trans

India is strong and I hope she does the trans community proud!!

Ginuwine refusal to date transgender doesn't make him scared. Courtney didn't dress Andrew up for the purpose to scare India...
...and India isn't strong and she isn't doing the trans community proud. India is one of the most selfish people I have watched...she has no interest in anyone else or anyone else's story or issues. EVERYTHING is about her...all she has to talk about is her transition and all the problems and discrimination she has had to deal with...like she is the only person in the world who has suffered.
Why can't India embrace her new body as she is now the woman she wanted to be....why can't she accept that people may from time to time refer to her as a he albeit not deliberately. Why can't she accept that not every man would date her wether it's due to her being transgender or not...
She's come this far...but she just a selfish unappreciative old hag.

[Withano]

Then Courtney getting Andrew to dress up in drag

This has nothing to do with transphobia.

[Vicky.]

This has nothing to do with transphobia.

Neither do any of the examples given :laugh:

[poppsywoppsy]

I do not think the house is transphobic.

But why do you have to like someone just because they are?

I don't like India but call her a she, why does she think she can change public opinion in five minutes by going into the CBB house.

She is doing her best to alienate the viewing public by her neediness and outrageous behaviour.

Others have just the same right not to like her and her causes as she does. Her expectations are ridiculous.

[Withano]

Neither do any of the examples given :laugh:

Haha yes I suppose, but i could at least see where they were coming from with the others!

[AnnieK]

I wonder if India knows how she is coming across or is she so self absorbed that she thinks the viewing public will buy into her victim act? She could have been such an interesting housemate but now she is just tedious

[Vicky.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTFoKbBWkAASi4R.jpg

Just seen this on twitter, fits perfectly here LD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also no surprise that he name is India

So add Racism to the rap sheet too

If she had been called Surrey would any of this happened ?

No, I dont think so either

sickening

[Withano]

Also no surprise that he name is India

So add Racism to the rap sheet too

If she had been called Surrey would any of this happened ?

No, I dont think so either

sickening

I remember when you used to have discussions on tibb

[StephenPullen]

The whole topic is tiresome.

There are people who are homeless, beaten by their loved ones, addicted to drugs, dying of horrid diseases, and we're sitting here clambering around, worrying about whether or not Arthur/ Martha is upset because they subjectively feel that they are of the opposite biological sex.

It's so sad that this entire season of Big Brother has been taken over by this anus-sputum...