Not the right time

[rionablue]

Does anyone agree that it was definitely not the right time for India to go into the house. She is so so self conscious about her new found body in a way even though she has showed it to the other housemates. Even though she should be extremely happy that at last she can live her life as a woman she is far too highly strung and sensative and even though Courtney is an ENTIRELY different entity she sees Shane/Courtney as kind of taking the limelight off herself. I liked her at the start but I really dont like her tears and isolation of herself. I think the best thing all round is if she is out Friday even if Jonny is a complete and utter snake And if she didnt want a negative answer she should never have asked Ginuwine would he date a transgender woman

[bots]

I'm not sure. Maybe in the outside world she has not been as contended as she thought she would be. Maybe she has struggled for acceptance in the outside world so thought the best thing was to hit the issues head on in full view of the public. All i know with certainty is that something is not right and she needs counselling or something to help her get to a contented self, its not going to be resolved on a TV show.

[Niamh.]

Yeah kind of echoing BOTS thoughts really, she comes across as someone who is not happy in themselves or as themself and that's why she's so defensive I think, why the need to quiz people on whether or not they see her as a woman or would date her etc etc she's looking to be offended or insulted

[Maru]

I don't think she is on the verge of a breakdown, so probably the experience could help ground her/round her out. The problem is, she's resisting all of it by engaging in immature bickering and arguing over semantics. It's really her choice to get anything out of it at all.

I did say in the past that I think she has not finished transitioning internally as she is far too cognizant of appearances and seems to be caught up in other people's reactions. But, if she is generally immature and tends to lack self-awareness (again, superficial thinking), then there's not much more psychological work she could do to evolve upward if she is constantly trying to mitigate her neurosis by expecting everyone else around her to treat her like a crying infant. She'd then be more concerned about the symptoms of a problem rather than trying to address the cause of a problem instead.

She chose to go go on, so probably subconsciously she is looking for a way to be pushed out of that cycle. After all, we all tend to want to do things the hardest way when our minds are really set. :laugh:

[ethanjames]

I really don't think this show is for her as she is not prepared at all. you are stuck with a bunch of people for a month or so of course if you start constantly asking them if they would date you and what they think about trans people etc they are gonna be uncomftable. I think she needs to become more secure in herself and maybe she will be okay once she has accepted herself as fully female

[Niamh.]

I really don't think this show is for her as she is not prepared at all. you are stuck with a bunch of people for a month or so of course if you start constantly asking them if they would date you and what they think about trans people etc they are gonna be uncomftable. I think she needs to become more secure in herself and maybe she will be okay once she has accepted herself as fully female

Yes I agree, if she never brought the subject up and just got on with things, I think she'd find her HMs are easily accepting of her, she's sabotaging herself by going on about it so much and making it a difficult subject or "thing about India" for everyone in there, so much so they're afraid to open their mouths to her for fear of saying the wrong thing or insulting her, unless that's actually her plan of course and what she really is after is airtime and attention, in that case she's doing a sterling job :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Kellie was the same, both claim they were unhappy in mens bodies,but neither of them were any happier as women

[Crimson Dynamo]

New?

She has been like that 2 years and she knew she was a woman when she was 3

[Tom4784]

I wouldn't really put anyone who is in the process of transitioning or has only transistioned for a relatively short while into the house. I can't think of any transgender HMs that were still at an early point in their journey who weren't negatively affected by the experience, granted, I can only think of three (Kellie, India and Sam from BB7) but all three were negatively affected by it.

[chuff me dizzy]

New?

She has been like that 2 years and she knew she was a woman when she was 3

And dressing as a woman at weekends for years too

[Withano]

She's just a self-obsessed, self-important victim ****, I'd imagine she always has been

[Crimson Dynamo]

And dressing as a woman at weekends for years too

Half the women on Tibb do the same

[chuff me dizzy]

Half the women on Tibb do the same

BEFORE her op

[smudgie]

Maybe she expected too much.
Thinking her transition would make her happy, when really she just has that miserable sort of personality whomever she is.:shrug:

[Maru]

Maybe she expected too much.
Thinking her transition would make her happy, when really she just has that miserable sort of personality whomever she is.:shrug:

Maybe we expected too much :laugh:

[Gusto Brunt]

Yeah kind of echoing BOTS thoughts really, she comes across as someone who is not happy in themselves or as themself and that's why she's so defensive I think, why the need to quiz people on whether or not they see her as a woman or would date her etc etc she's looking to be offended or insulted

I don't know or care what her issues are. She's not entertaining, hogs any attention. She must go!!:fist:

[Niamh.]

I don't know or care what her issues are. She's not entertaining, hogs any attention. She must go!!:fist:It's a tough one to call because it's one on one, Jonny isn't even a factor I don't think it'll be those who don't like India against those who want her in for the drama, who will win? I think she'll probably go

[Gusto Brunt]

It's a tough one to call because it's one on one, Jonny isn't even a factor I don't think it'll be those who don't like India against those who want her in for the drama, who will win? I think she'll probably go

Well I don't watch the programme Johnny is in, or his reputation as a love rat. All I can say is he seems a nice guy to me, and he's always smiling.

Hasn't caused any trouble yet, so I don't know why he's up.

But someone did mention they want him out because their daughter doesn't like Johnny which I thought was odd.

I FEAR India might stay. Shame she's not up against Ann, because then she would go.

I hope.:shocked:

[Otaka]

The problem isn’t with India it’s with everyone else lol

[Gusto Brunt]

The problem isn’t with India it’s with everyone else lol

Yes, taking her bait!

[Jamie89]

Maybe she expected too much.
Thinking her transition would make her happy, when really she just has that miserable sort of personality whomever she is.:shrug:

This is sort of how I feel about her too. That her issues aren't really related to her transitioning but just her general personality. When it comes to transitioning I'm not sure if it should be seen as a cure or some kind of 'happiness fix' because transsexuals will suffer from gender dysphoria their whole lives, SRS really is just a way of helping with it, but it doesn't actually cure it. So I do think it's understandable if she has issues surrounding that, but perhaps those issues are heightened because of her general personality, and having expectations that aren't entirely reasonable.

[Jack_]

I honestly can't work out whether she's a fragile person that's desperate to be accepted and liked, and is full of self doubt, or whether she's being deliberately antagonistic to provoke reactions on a television show she's a fan of.

It's probably a mixture of both, so I guess the answer to your question is yes? A fascinating housemate that's for sure.

[Maru]

I honestly can't work out whether she's a fragile person that's desperate to be accepted and liked, and is full of self doubt, or whether she's being deliberately antagonistic to provoke reactions on a television show she's a fan of.

It's probably a mixture of both, so I guess the answer to your question is yes? A fascinating housemate that's for sure.

Just some random thoughts, but some people hide the real deep stuff (usually painful) underneath a bunch of personal complexes. :shrug: I suspect this is the case for her and she's shifting her behavior to accommodate the theme of "transphobic oppression" she's built up in the house as a defense and the rest is just the second act (the antagonistic side you mentioned) for the character she intends to play to the public once she is out...

[Ammi]

I honestly can't work out whether she's a fragile person that's desperate to be accepted and liked, and is full of self doubt, or whether she's being deliberately antagonistic to provoke reactions on a television show she's a fan of.

It's probably a mixture of both, so I guess the answer to your question is yes? A fascinating housemate that's for sure.

....I guess she could be being deliberately antagonistic but I don’t get the feeling that she is and I don’t think she’s particularly fragile either as such...I don’t know, I just feel that a lot of her defensiveness and hostility has been heightened when she’s talked about her perceived attractiveness to men...like with Ginuwine for instance, Ginuwine wouldn’t find her physically attractive which she found hard to accept and she’s also said how she hasn’t had sex since her surgery...she also to me looked quite wistful when Courtney was performing and receiving much male appreciation...I get the feeling that to her, a male finding her attractive is a huge part of her ‘feeling complete’ as a woman....but I think the thing is, is because that hasn’t happened for her yet, she’s assuming and convinced of phobia rather than she’s just not met the right person...she attacks, oh you’re phobic and can’t accept it’s anything other than that...?...

....I’m trying to think of something similar which could be maybe a woman in her 50s maybe having gone through a divorce where she may have felt ‘rejected’ and ‘unattractive’ ...only because I know of some women who that has happened to ..and when someone has come into their lives and yes they’ve had sex ooops...:laugh:...it’s been a transformation in how they’ve felt about themselves...that kind of ‘validation’ they seemed to have needed to feel they’re still desirable...?...hmmm, I kind of wonder if it’s similar in any way to how India feels...obviously I could be completely wrong but I’m just thinking that what she seems to have ‘pushed’ at a few times or been focused on is, she doesn’t feel attractive to men/how hard it is for her as a transsexual....if feeling as though she’s physically attractive to a man is something she’s desperately needs, if that was the case ...?...it’s her getting to a place of not assuming phobia and because she’s a transsexual as an automatic defence..because like with Ginuwine, she’s not being rejected as such as she seems to feel but more, that she doesn’t fit with what that person personally finds physically with someone..../...I mean we all know that happens to people ‘born in their right bodies’ as well...but she’s not seeing that way and thinking more of ‘only transsexuals can be not found attractive’ and how hard it is etc....and for everyone else it’s all fine and dandy when that’s not the case at all....


....or the short version is..:laugh:...she has to try to not see herself as the constant victim and realise that we’re all victims.../life is difficult for most people much of the time, there are just different types of difficult....

[Maru]

....I guess she could be being deliberately antagonistic but I don’t get the feeling that she is and I don’t think she’s particularly fragile either as such...I don’t know, I just feel that a lot of her defensiveness and hostility has been heightened when she’s talked about her perceived attractiveness to men...like with Ginuwine for instance, Ginuwine wouldn’t find her physically attractive which she found hard to accept and she’s also said how she hasn’t had sex since her surgery...she also to me looked quite wistful when Courtney was performing and receiving much male appreciation...I get the feeling that to her, a male finding her attractive is a huge part of her ‘feeling complete’ as a woman....but I think the thing is, is because that hasn’t happened for her yet, she’s assuming and convinced of phobia rather than she’s just not met the right person...she attacks, oh you’re phobic and can’t accept it’s anything other than that...?...

....I’m trying to think of something similar which could be maybe a woman in her 50s maybe having gone through a divorce where she may have felt ‘rejected’ and ‘unattractive’ ...only because I know of some women who that has happened to ..and when someone has come into their lives and yes they’ve had sex ooops...:laugh:...it’s been a transformation in how they’ve felt about themselves...that kind of ‘validation’ they seemed to have needed to feel they’re still desirable...?...hmmm, I kind of wonder if it’s similar in any way to how India feels...obviously I could be completely wrong but I’m just thinking that what she seems to have ‘pushed’ at a few times or been focused on is, she doesn’t feel attractive to men/how hard it is for her as a transsexual....if feeling as though she’s physically attractive to a man is something she’s desperately needs, if that was the case ...?...it’s her getting to a place of not assuming phobia and because she’s a transsexual as an automatic defence..because like with Ginuwine, she’s not being rejected as such as she seems to feel but more, that she doesn’t fit with what that person personally finds physically with someone..../...I mean we all know that happens to people ‘born in their right bodies’ as well...but she’s not seeing that way and thinking more of ‘only transsexuals can be not found attractive’ and how hard it is etc....and for everyone else it’s all fine and dandy when that’s not the case at all....


....or the short version is..:laugh:...she has to try to not see herself as the constant victim and realise that we’re all victims.../life is difficult for most people much of the time, there are just different types of difficult....

:clap1: Literally just watched a video on this exact topic. Tempted to post it in SD... we're all victims, oppressed in one respect or another. Many of us are born towards the bottom of the pile economically for example. The difference is in not only how we handle and whether we improve ourselves/those things, but also in not *****ing it up and making it a lot worse...:laugh:

[JerseyWins]

It might not have been the right time for her to enter the house but now it's the right time for her to go. x

[Ammi]

:clap1: Literally just watched a video on this exact topic. Tempted to post it in SD... we're all victims, oppressed in one respect or another. Many of us are born towards the bottom of the pile economically for example. The difference is in not only how we handle and whether we improve ourselves/those things, but also in not *****ing it up and making it a lot worse...:laugh:

...yeah I think what India has to try to realise is that in general what many find attractive in someone is how they’ve handled their ‘victim’’..in that they’ve not let it been the only thing they feel defined by and have found a place of positivity...but just kind of dwelling in your ‘victim’ isn’t really an attractive quality is it...so it’s more that and less to do with her being a transsexual...I do understand there are specific difficulties in being a transsexual and it’s quite a minority...but she’s said things to Shane/Courtney for instance like...oh it’s easier for you as a gay guy../..you’re more accepted...when I’m sure he hasn’t always felt acceptance and I’m sure he’s had many difficulties and prejudices in his life...he’s just not allowing them to define him to the extent that India is with hers...Wayne has also faced prejudices and difficulties in the society he was born into back in his day but that doesn’t define him either...whilst she wears her victim so strongly, surely it just increases her unattractive ness that she feels and it’s All stopping her from seeing that it could be less do do with her being a transsexual....

[Livia]

I don't think she's self-conscious of her body. She's not only shown it to her housemates but to everyone watching. She was in a bikini on the first night, wasn't she? If not, definitely the second day...

Her problem is that two years isn't quite long enough to get over the 50 odd years she's spent enjoying all the privileges of being a white man.

[Niamh.]

I don't think she's self-conscious of her body. She's not only shown it to her housemates but to everyone watching. She was in a bikini on the first night, wasn't she? If not, definitely the second day...

Her problem is that two years isn't quite long enough to get over the 50 odd years she's spent enjoying all the privileges of being a white man.

Sitting doing her hair whilst in a room of people and on TV with your boobs out really screams body conscious :worry:

[bots]

i'm becoming more and more convinced that she is playing with the housemates, that she doesn't actually have issues but is just making life extremely uncomfortable for them. Playing a game and using the transgender as the mechanism

[Lstan]

Kellie was the same, both claim they were unhappy in mens bodies,but neither of them were any happier as women

And this isn't a coincidence.

[Lstan]

I don't think she's self-conscious of her body. She's not only shown it to her housemates but to everyone watching. She was in a bikini on the first night, wasn't she? If not, definitely the second day...

Her problem is that two years isn't quite long enough to get over the 50 odd years she's spent enjoying all the privileges of being a white man.

Good point Livia! Its not to do with being self conscious in India's case.

[waterhog]

will we be taken in by the game on act from last series in which india was saying - now the game gets interesting or something ? is there more to follow from india or have we seen it all and need her out ? I do think so sunny jim - have to be cruel to be kind.

[GoldHeart]

And this isn't a coincidence.

Why the F... (excuse my language ) does BB keep putting in the ones with mental issues ! :facepalm: .

I didn't watch when Kellie was in but I saw her on the news a while back apologising for being homophobic or something .

Lauren is it ? . Again didn't watch her year either in BB but I already knew what type of person she was , she's crazy and I remember on the morning show she was weird and argumentative with Philip & Holly .

Nadia from BB5 deceived her hm's by not being truthful about her gender assignment ,which annoyed me a lot and I didn't like her behaviour in the house. And Davina got too much pleasure when she kept revealing it to evicted hm's :bored: .