Was Shane J in the wrong?

[Jase.]

For him pulling at Andrew's clothes? Or was it okay considering Andrew seemed fine with it?

Discuss!

[RileyH]

No, Andrew seemed fine with it

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Andrew seemed fine with it. Bizarrely they were more worried about the pillows being thrown about :laugh:

[Jason.]

Eject him just to end the tiresome bromance or whatever the producers are trying to force down our throats.

[pontyboi]

I'm not even voting let's not get back into complaining and throwing around words like assault again like every other series.

[waterhog]

someone is in for a ticking off tomoz ?

[Morgan.]

No, Andrew seemed fine with it

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[Amy Jade]

I mean I don't personally care but if they wan't to be consistent then I guess he should :shrug:

[jaxie]

I think it there was a problem it was for Andrew to say so. Body language said they were both playful and tipsy.

[Rob!]

A bollocking tomorrow would be all is needed if anything tbh

[Vicky.]

Was fine, Andrew seemed fine with it tbh. If Andrew had said no or stop or shown any sign of not being fine and Shane had carried on then he would be in the wrong, but he didn't

[Stevep]

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[Cherry Christmas]

Andrew seemed fine with it. Bizarrely they were more worried about the pillows being thrown about :laugh:

As he was piling them on Andews face and pushing them down its not hard to see why surely :laugh:

[Christmas Lights]

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It's already happened :notimpressed:

[joeysteele]

I think it there was a problem it was for Andrew to say so. Body language said they were both playful and tipsy.

Yeah,that's how I see it as well.

[JerseyWins]

A combination of the poll. He was in the wrong but they can just let it slide since it was all in good fun and Andrew was fine with it.

[Jamie89]

A combination of the poll. He was in the wrong but they can just let it slide since it was all in good fun and Andrew was fine with it.

This really. Shane seems quite sensible and I'd assume he knows Andrews boundaries etc, but Andrew being fine with it is more a case of Shane being lucky instead of right, had he reacted differently I don't think BB would have let it slide. Even if it's the kind of thing they'd do outside as friends without there being any issues he should probably be careful just because of where he is.

[Jase.]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/celebrity-big-brother/news/a847507/celebrity-big-brother-viewers-unhappy-shane-janek-joking-about-assault-during-playfight-andrew-brady/

[Christmas Lights]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/celebrity-big-brother/news/a847507/celebrity-big-brother-viewers-unhappy-shane-janek-joking-about-assault-during-playfight-andrew-brady/

BB didn't even give him a warning. Even when they both joked about "assault" :bored: .

Like I said if Ginuwine did the same to Ashley ,he'd get a warning or kicked out .

In CBB20 big brother gave Sam a warning for joking around.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

As he was piling them on Andews face and pushing them down its not hard to see why surely :laugh:

Maybe he's kinky? :creep:

[-Sue-]

OMG typical viewer outrage! whilst the HM laughed and took it for what it was shane & Andrew messing about! having fun simple..

[Christmas Lights]

OMG typical viewer outrage! whilst the HM laughed and took it for what it was shane & Andrew messing about! having fun simple..

Okay but would you feel the same if Ginuwine did it to Ashley :suspect: .

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Okay but would you feel the same if Ginuwine did it to Ashley :suspect: .

I think men messing around is different. Also, it depends if the person complains or not. Andrew was laughing and joking.

[Christmas Lights]

I think men messing around is different. Also, it depends if the person complains or not. Andrew was laughing and joking.

Yeah equality eh !! NOT :bored: .

It's not different at all if it is then that's double standards . I wouldn't care if BB treated everyone the same. But it's become a hot mess of inconsistencies and in Shane J's case favouritism :sleep: .

I remember back in BB7 and BB8 both men and women did sexual forceful stuff and BB ignored it .

Now some get in trouble and some get let off the hook so why even bother .

[-Sue-]

Okay but would you feel the same if Ginuwine did it to Ashley :suspect: .

the difference being Andrew & Shane/courtney play fight banter etc it's their 'way' of having fun..these two are very much at ease with each other and know the boundries

Ashley & G do not have fun that way their way is more cuddle tease with hands kisses etc these two appear not to be able to straight talk at all infact they both say one thing to each other then say other things to other people about each other...

[reece(:]

Jeremy Jackson teas?

[Oliver_W]

Aaron is weeping.

[Christmas Lights]

the difference being Andrew & Shane/courtney play fight banter etc it's their 'way' of having fun..these two are very much at ease with each other and know the boundries

Ashley & G do not have fun that way their way is more cuddle tease with hands kisses etc these two appear not to be able to straight talk at all infact they both say one thing to each other then say other things to other people about each other...

Stop making excuses . Since when did you pull your friends pants down and grab their bum and joke about fist ing them ??? Please tell me how many friends you've said that to :facepalm: . And Andrew is soo immature and giggly but it's obvious he was surprised at what Shane J did .

Andrew could pull Jess' pants down and be called a pervert, and if Jess did it back then nobody bats an eyelid :notimpressed: .

[-Sue-]

Stop making excuses . Since when did you pull your friends pants down and grab their bum and joke about fist ing them ??? Please tell me how many friends you've said that to :facepalm: . And Andrew is soo immature and giggly but it's obvious he was surprised at what Shane J did .

Andrew could pull Jess' pants down and be called a pervert, and if Jess did it back then nobody bats an eyelid :notimpressed: .

You asked me a question I answered it!! If you don't like my answer perhaps do not ask the question! :shrug:

Remind me again what people in sports teams do when they score a goal/touchdown...?? locker room fun? slap people on bum with towel?

Again you discussing IF andrew did that to someone like Jess.. is not what happened so why get mad at something non-existent? talk about you blowing things ALL out of proportion! :shrug:

IF ANDREW WAS OFFENDED HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO....

[Christmas Lights]

You asked me a question I answered it!! If you don't like my answer perhaps do not ask the question! :shrug:

Remind me again what people in sports teams do when they score a goal/touchdown...?? locker room fun? slap people on bum with towel?

Again you discussing IF andrew did that to someone like Jess.. is not what happened so why get mad at something non-existent? talk about you blowing things ALL out of proportion! :shrug:

IF ANDREW WAS OFFENDED HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO....

Men with brains the size of a raisen like Andrew won't say he's offended :hee: . Plus Andrew behaves like a kid . And I've just seen on the CBB website that BB has now spoken to Andrew in the diary room about it . So I'm guessing he must of said it was just banter or something :sleep: .

[-Sue-]

Men with brains the size of a raisen like Andrew won't say he's offended :hee: . Plus Andrew behaves like a kid . And I've just seen on the CBB website that BB has now spoken to Andrew in the diary room about it . So I'm guessing he must of said it was just banter or something :sleep: .

:shrug:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

justice for aaron frew!

[Christmas Lights]

:shrug:

I didn't watch the clip, but the title says BB spoke to him the next day so I doubt Shane J will get a warning .

Still a bit crap for Sam CBB20 getting a warning when Jemma confirmed she was okay and how it was just a laugh :bored:. This is why I think it's inconsistent regardless of people having fun etc .

[chuff me dizzy]

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[Christmas Lights]

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I know ^^

[Gusto Brunt]

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Shane is in denial. He so wants to have sex with Andrew. He is lying to himself when he says they are just good friends.

[Christmas Lights]

Shane is in denial. He so wants to have sex with Andrew. He is lying to himself when he says they are just good friends.

Exactly

[Ashsleigh]

I think people who took offense to it ought to have a word with themselves.

[ethanjames]

is it really this deep honestly I saw it as two friends having a good time

[Christmas Lights]

is it really this deep honestly I saw it as two friends having a good time

I don't care but I just wish BB treated everyone the same :idc: and yes Andrew was asked about it in the diary room but I doubt Shane J got a warning .
As I said Sam from CBB20 was having a laugh with a female friend and he got a warning despite her clearly telling BB she was fine and they were joking around :facepalm:.

[Peppermint]

Absolutely. It's only being seen as 'acceptable' because Andrew didn't have an issue with it and because they are both guys.

[Rustic bauble]

I think he did unfortunately. We can all see its playful games and banter BUT imagine if Ginuwine had done the same to Ashley.
It was harmless but it wasn't the RIGHT thing to do...it's not like they are a couple in that way.
People have been pulled up and warned for similar activity..so it's only right Shane gets a warning and BB is consistent as to where they draw the line.

[Rustic bauble]

I think people who took offense to it ought to have a word with themselves.


Me too...but it was inappropriate...you have to draw the line somewhere when it's on NTV.

[Christmas Lights]

I think he did unfortunately. We can all see its playful games and banter BUT imagine if Ginuwine had done the same to Ashley.
It was harmless but it wasn't the RIGHT thing to do...it's not like they are a couple in that way.
People have been pulled up and warned for similar activity..so it's only right Shane gets a warning and BB is consistent as to where they draw the line.

Thank you :clap1: .

This is what I'm saying. If you're going to be that touchy feely out the blue then BB should be consistent with every hm .

Even if it's a joke, to they're still on TV and there's rules .

[Withano]

I think its only worth a warning when the 'victim' or the viewers are offended. I dont think this happened.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think its only worth a warning when the 'victim' or the viewers are offended. I dont think this happened.

I think he shouldn't have done it. But Andrew won't hold it against him, because they're best mates.

[Northern Monkey]

Thank you :clap1: .

This is what I'm saying. If you're going to be that touchy feely out the blue then BB should be consistent with every hm .

Even if it's a joke, to they're still on TV and there's rules .

I say this every series.They throw a curve ball or two every time as far as consistency goes with warnings.They’re all over the place.Helen Wood had about 94 and still got a free pass to the final.

[Christmas Lights]

I say this every series.They throw a curve ball or two every time as far as consistency goes with warnings.They’re all over the place.Helen Wood had about 94 and still got a free pass to the final.

I think they should either scrap the warnings and strict rules or be consistent with it :nono: .

Literally makes no sense to give one rule for one and another to someone else :notimpressed: .

[Ashsleigh]

I think its only worth a warning when the 'victim' or the viewers are offended. I dont think this happened.

If housemates were to receive a warning every time viewers got offended, they'd be handing them out all the time.

[Rustic bauble]

I think its only worth a warning when the 'victim' or the viewers are offended. I dont think this happened.


Why wait until someone is offended?....they have clamped down in the past even when people haven't been offended. Also some people might say they weren't when they were, not wanting to get a mate in trouble and looking bad.
There has to be a line...a consistency...a rule.


...and viewers have complained.

[Withano]

If housemates were to receive a warning every time viewers got offended, they'd be handing them out all the time.

Haha. Good point

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I hope Andrew has told Shane not to do that again.

[Rustic bauble]

If housemates were to receive a warning every time viewers got offended, they'd be handing them out all the time.


They have warned someone before for the same thing pretty much..someone not offended....but it was still inappropriate....so why not this time.

[Withano]

Why wait until someone is offended?....they have clamped down in the past even when people haven't been offended. Also some people might say they weren't when they were, not wanting to get a mate in trouble and looking bad.
There has to be a line...a consistency...a rule.


...and viewers have complained.

The only complaints I've seen were 'BUT SOMEONE WAS GIVEN A WARNING FOR THIS FIVE YEARS AGO'. Thats not a real complaint about Shane, why should Shane be punished for that lol. Nobody (that I've seen) is worried about Andrews safety or uncomfortableness, only that BB isn't consistent. Its a bit sad actually when you think about it. State of the fans haha.

[Christmas Lights]

Why wait until someone is offended?....they have clamped down in the past even when people haven't been offended. Also some people might say they weren't when they were, not wanting to get a mate in trouble and looking bad.
There has to be a line...a consistency...a rule.


...and viewers have complained.

Perfect example is Sam from CBB20 who got defended yet still got a warning , and didn't Chloe rub herself on 1 of jedward and got called to the Dr.

But Jasmine grabbed Callum's crotch several times and because he either said nothing or joked about it she got let off the hook.

So either they scrap the warnings or they stay consistent . Otherwise it's confusing and sends out mixed messages :facepalm: .

[Ashsleigh]

They have warned someone before for the same thing pretty much..someone not offended....but it was still inappropriate....so why not this time.

And I disagreed with it then, too. Perhaps they've learned since then that it's wrong to make somebody feel guilty for something that didn't offend or set out to offend.

[Rustic bauble]

Perfect example is Sam from CBB20 who got defended yet still got a warning , and didn't Chloe rub herself on 1 of jedward and got called to the Dr.

But Jasmine grabbed Callum's crotch several times and because he either said nothing or joked about it she got let off the hook.

So either they scrap the warnings or they stay consistent . Otherwise it's confusing and sends out mixed messages :facepalm: .


Can't remember details but Sam did get one last year...

[Christmas Lights]

And I disagreed with it then, too. Perhaps they've learned since then that it's wrong to make somebody feel guilty for something that didn't offend or set out to offend.

But why did they make Sam feel guilty then last year :facepalm: . Jemma confirmed she was okay with him and that they were having a laugh. You can tell they've been mates a while .

[Christmas Lights]

Can't remember details but Sam did get one last year...

Yes that's what I'm saying :facepalm: inconsistent .
He pinched her boob when she wore a see through dress / underwear or something. And she told BB she's fine and that he was joking with her,yet he still got called to the Dr for a warning :bored: .

[Rustic bauble]

And I disagreed with it then, too. Perhaps they've learned since then that it's wrong to make somebody feel guilty for something that didn't offend or set out to offend.


I felt it too..don't get me wrong. HOWEVER pulling someone's underwear down and joking about 'assault'...is a bit uncomfortable to watch especially as Shane has a bit of a soft spot for him.
Like I said if Ginuwine did that to Ashley and they joked about assault...it would be a whole different ball game even if she wasn't offended.

[Northern Monkey]

Bookmark this thread because it’s going to happen again within the next few series’ and with a different outcome from BB.They don’t know what they’re doing with regards to rules.

[Christmas Lights]

I felt it too..don't get me wrong. HOWEVER pulling someone's underwear down and joking about 'assault'...is a bit uncomfortable to watch especially as Shane has a bit of a soft spot for him.
Like I said if Ginuwine did that to Ashley and they joked about assault...it would be a whole different ball game even if she wasn't offended.

Like I said it's not fair :bored:.

[Christmas Lights]

Bookmark this thread because it’s going to happen again within the next few series’ and with a different outcome from BB.They don’t know what they’re doing with regards to rules.

For sure !!
Of course it will happen again. For years BB has been all over the place with rules :crazy: . Even nomination reasons they gave Malika a hard time yet Rachel got let off the hook for nominating Johnny for his looks :sleep:

[Brillopad]

For him pulling at Andrew's clothes? Or was it okay considering Andrew seemed fine with it?

Discuss!

So it would be all right if one of the guys did that to one of the girls.

Andrew may not want to make a fuss about it, can be an awkward position for a straight guy, but that doesn’t mean shane’s Behaviour was acceptable.

Gay guys can do no wrong in this PC mad world it seems, especially when they happen to be funny and entertaining. What progress,

[Christmas Lights]

So it would be all right if one of the guys did that to one of the girls.

Andrew may not want to make a fuss about it, can be an awkward position for a straight guy, but that doesn’t mean shane’s Behaviour was acceptable.

Gay guys can do no wrong in this PC mad world it seems, especially when they happen to be funny and entertaining. What progress,

:clap1:

Shane J is a hypocrite considering he's a feminist Who's always sticking up for women who claim they've been assaulted etc and treated badly in general by men :bored: .

[Jase.]

So it would be all right if one of the guys did that to one of the girls.

Andrew may not want to make a fuss about it, can be an awkward position for a straight guy, but that doesn’t mean shane’s Behaviour was acceptable.

Gay guys can do no wrong in this PC mad world it seems, especially when they happen to be funny and entertaining. What progress,

Am I saying I agree with what Shane did tho? I'm simply asking the question.

[Brillopad]

is it really this deep honestly I saw it as two friends having a good time

It may have been that innocent if it wasn’t so obvious Shane fancies Andrew who he knows is straight. It was uncomfortable.

[Rustic bauble]

So it would be all right if one of the guys did that to one of the girls.

Andrew may not want to make a fuss about it, can be an awkward position for a straight guy, but that doesn’t mean shane’s Behaviour was acceptable.

Gay guys can do no wrong in this PC mad world it seems, especially when they happen to be funny and entertaining. What progress,


Exactly...:cheer2:

[bots]

Doesn't really matter if BB warns him or not. The issue boils down to whether it has cost him some votes in upcoming evictions, and I think it has

[Brillopad]

Exactly...:cheer2:

I wasn’t too keen on Shane /Kourtney at first, found him a bit OTT - but he/she grew on me - until last night.

I think he has put Andrew in a very difficult position and you don’t do that to people you supposedly like. I for one am not going to make excuses for him because he is funny. I felt embarrassed for Andrew and feel his friendly nature is being taken advantage of by a pretty shrewd Shane.

[Christmas Lights]

Doesn't really matter if BB warns him or not. The issue boils down to whether it has cost him some votes in upcoming evictions, and I think it has

The silly fool will still win CBB :bored: .

[Vicky.]

I think its only worth a warning when the 'victim' or the viewers are offended. I dont think this happened.

The viewers are offended by pretty much everything. Especially if a housemate that they dislike does something to a housemate they like.

OMGz, Daniel dropped a spoon next to Ashley and it bounced and hit her ankle. I am so offended, he should definitely be ejected for that, anyone else would be

Look, John happened to be looking in Shanes direction while Shane was getting ready for bed. What an absolute pervert. Should definitely be warned, preferably ejected. Imagine if he had been looking at a woman?!?!?!!?

[Vicky.]

Didn't read full thread before putting that. I see its already been said :laugh:

[bots]

Didn't read full thread before putting that. I see its already been said :laugh:

can't get the staff :smug:

[Christmas Lights]

The viewers are offended by pretty much everything. Especially if a housemate that they dislike does something to a housemate they like.

OMGz, Daniel dropped a spoon next to Ashley and it bounced and hit her ankle. I am so offended, he should definitely be ejected for that, anyone else would be

Look, John happened to be looking in Shanes direction while Shane was getting ready for bed. What an absolute pervert. Should definitely be warned, preferably ejected. Imagine if he had been looking at a woman?!?!?!!?

I think we're just going round in circles here :facepalm: . It's not necessarily about "being offended" it's the fact that BB has put rules and warnings in place and seem to use them when it suits them rather than stay consistent to them .

And this goes for other things , like contestants getting angry and throwing tantrums in the past or giving invalid reasons for nominations. BB needs to stick to it .

Otherwise don't bother atall :idc: .

[Withano]

So it would be all right if one of the guys did that to one of the girls.

Andrew may not want to make a fuss about it, can be an awkward position for a straight guy, but that doesn’t mean shane’s Behaviour was acceptable.

Gay guys can do no wrong in this PC mad world it seems, especially when they happen to be funny and entertaining. What progress,

False, Aaron(? From Joel's series) was gay and people mostly thought his ejection was deserved, because Joel reacted completely unlike Andrew.

This is completely to do with individuals, not groups. And so it should be.

[Stevep]

No two ways about it, if a guy pulled down a girl's pair of knickers he'd absolutely be warned by BB, tbh i'd go one step further, i reckon he'd be kicked out.

That said, i suspect Shane will be warned, only reason i believe he wasn't last night was because he was pissed and it was late.

[Christmas Lights]

No two ways about it, if a guy pulled down a girl's pair of knickers he'd absolutely be warned by BB, tbh i'd go one step further, i reckon he'd be kicked out.

That said, i suspect Shane will be warned, only reason i believe he wasn't last night was because he was pissed and it was late.

I don't think Shane J has been given a warning , BB only called Andrew to the DR by looks of it to ask if " everything was ok" :bored: .

And For sure a man would get a warning against a woman or even kicked out i agree.

[Vicky.]

I think we're just going round in circles here :facepalm: . It's not necessarily about "being offended" it's the fact that BB has put rules and warnings in place and seem to use them when it suits them rather than stay consistent to them .

And this goes for other things , like contestants getting angry and throwing tantrums in the past or giving invalid reasons for nominations. BB needs to stick to it .

Otherwise don't bother atall :idc: .

I think its more..they use them when it makes sense to use them tbh. And when two housemates are having fun and both seem extremely relaxed and enjoying it, then its a bit daft to warn.

If anything this year, a warning should perhaps have gone to Genuwine when he forced that kiss on Ashley. She looked so uncomfortable and he seemed to have hold of her head pretty hard.

It does appear to be when its housemates viewers dislike that there are warnings called for tbh. I remember when they Hazel and Daley thing happened and so many people were still saying that nothing should have happened to him, purely as they dislike Hazel. They were also calling for her to be ejected for slapping his arse or something playfully :facepalm:

In short, blanket rules do not really work as context is important.

[Christmas Lights]

I think its more..they use them when it makes sense to use them tbh. And when two housemates are having fun and both seem extremely relaxed and enjoying it, then its a bit daft to warn.

If anything this year, a warning should perhaps have gone to Genuwine when he forced that kiss on Ashley. She looked so uncomfortable and he seemed to have hold of her head pretty hard.

It does appear to be when its housemates viewers dislike that there are warnings called for tbh. I remember when they Hazel and Daley thing happened and so many people were still saying that nothing should have happened to him, purely as they dislike Hazel. They were also calling for her to be ejected for slapping his arse or something playfully :facepalm:

In short, blanket rules do not really work as context is important.

Are you kidding me ??? you think Ginuwine should of gotten a warning for a silly kiss ?? :facepalm: i'm done! .

Shane J pulling Andrew's pants down and touching his arse cheeks is acceptable!?? OK because that's that's fair :suspect: .

Jemma & Sam were "having fun" in CBB20 and Sam still got a warning . So i don't care what anyone says , BB and their BS rules are inconsistent and daft :sleep: .


And Callum looked embarrassed when Jasmine grabbed his crotch and nothing was done about it .

[Vicky.]

Are you kidding me ??? you think Ginuwine should of gotten a warning for a silly kiss ?? :facepalm: i'm done! .

Shane J pulling Andrew's pants down and touching his arse cheeks is acceptable!?? OK because that's that's fair :suspect: .

Jemma & Sam were "having fun" in CBB20 and Sam still got a warning . So i don't care what anyone says , BB and their BS rules are inconsistent and daft :sleep: .


And Callum looked embarrassed when Jasmine grabbed his crotch and nothing was done about it .
No, I dont think there should have been any warnings, BUT if we are looking for reasons to warn, thats the best I can come up with :shrug:

I don't remember Jemma and Sam or what happened tbh. BB give out a lot of stupid warnings though tbh

What I mean by blanket rules don't wok is...lets Say Shane L got into Jess' bed tonight and she said no, but he did not get out and Jess was uncomfortable with this. A warning could maybe be given for this. So, people would assume that from now on, if anyone got into anyone elses bed and the housemate said no there should be a warning given. So tomorrow night, Genuwine gets into Ashleys bed, she says no but is giggling on and is comfortable when she says it so clearly doesn't mean it and it just taking the piss. Should he then get a warning? So they are consistent? Context is important.

[Rustic bauble]

Pulling someone's underwear down to expose them is unacceptable....simples.

[blisstheassassin]

Considering that Andrew himself made clear that only his trousers were pulled down and not his underwear. I don't understand why people are still going on about underwear?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Considering that Andrew himself made clear that only his trousers were pulled down and not his underwear. I don't understand why people are still going on about underwear?

Andrew may not remember it because he was drunk. But we clearly saw his pants were pulled down.

[Livia]

Considering that Andrew himself made clear that only his trousers were pulled down and not his underwear. I don't understand why people are still going on about underwear?

If the person whose pants were pulled down isn't making a huge fuss about it, I don't see why some people on here are.