Do you think he´s correct about Ann?

[Calderyon]

Meaning that Ann pressurizes the girls in a sense and is kind of weighing them down in a sense that the girls go by Ann´s rules in terms everything (behavior in the house, going to sleep early like Ann etc.) instead of being themselves. Mostly out of respect and wanting her approval.

What do you think?

[Vanessa]

Meaning that Ann pressurizes the girls in a sense and is kind of weighing them down in a sense that the girls go by Ann´s rules in terms everything instead of being themselves.

I think some of the housemates definitely feel like she's controlling. But I also think they should tell her, because she would understand. She isn't nasty and wouldn't want to upset anyone on purpose.

[Niamh.]

The girls are probably relieved to have an excuse not to sit with Andrew and co :laugh:

[Ellen]

The girls are probably relieved to have an excuse not to sit with Andrew and co :laugh:

This is what i was going to say.
Jess mentioned something the other day which put her off him.

[rionablue]

Meaning that Ann pressurizes the girls in a sense and is kind of weighing them down in a sense that the girls go by Ann´s rules in terms everything (behavior in the house, going to sleep early like Ann etc.) instead of being themselves. Mostly out of respect and wanting her approval.

What do you think?

No. The housemates have free minds of their own. They respect her but if they dont want to do what she asks or agree with her I am sure they wont do it. Andrew is just jealous that SHE is getting more attention from the young girls than HE IS the pillock

[Vanessa]

This is what i was going to say.
Jess mentioned something the other day which put her off him.
I don't think he's too keen on her either. The don't seem to like each other at all.

[Ellen]

I don't think he's too keen on he either. The don't seem to like each other at all.

She doesnt like him because he tried it on with Malika but got knocked back then tried to get in with Jess. He doesnt like her because she isnt like she was on another reality show apparently.

[Vanessa]

Maybe jess is baffled that Andrew hasn't tried it on with her.

[Vanessa]

She doesnt like him because he tried it on with Malika but got knocked back then tried to get in with Jess. He doesnt like her because she isnt like she was on another reality show apparently.

I'm glad Andrew hasn't fallen at her feet. She thinks all men will fancy he because she's a glamour girl.

[Ellen]

Maybe jess is baffled that Andrew hasn't fallen at her feet.
He tried but she blew him off like Malika did.

[Vanessa]

He tried but she blew him off like Malika did.

So she says, but we haven't seen it. Mmmm

[GoldHeart]

The girls are probably relieved to have an excuse not to sit with Andrew and co :laugh:

Exactly :clap1:

[Ashley.]

Definitely.

[Ellen]

So she says, but we haven't seen it. Mmmm

True but we hadnt seen the bum wipe till it was brought up in the DR :joker:

[smudgie]

Looks to me like all the girls have opinions and brains of their own.
If they decide to go to bed early it’s more than likely the better option of either that or sitting listening to Mr.Mememe drone on and on and on.
Andrew is quite pathetic if he isn’t getting fawned over, shame for him the house isn’t full of the normal bimbos this series.

[Calderyon]

So she says, but we haven't seen it. Mmmm

Of course you take Andrew´s side on this.

[Vanessa]

Jess is trying to carve herself a storyline. Now the final is in sight she needs to pipe up. Where has she been in the first two weeks? Flying under the radar.

[Vanessa]

Of course you take Andrew´s side on this.

I just think its odd we haven't seen it.

[bots]

Don't agree at all. These are all grown adults who are not timid in any way. It is more likely that Ann is being used as an excuse because otherwise they would have to say bluntly that they didnt want to be in the company of Andrew etc. If the girls really wanted to be involved with Andrew and his mates, they would be and Ann couldn't stop them

[Vanessa]

True but we hadnt seen the bum wipe till it was brought up in the DR :joker:

But they have shown Andrew when he was flirting with people.

[Calderyon]

Jess is trying to carve herself a storyline. Now the final is in sight she needs to pipe up. Where has she been in the first two weeks? Flying under the radar.

As soon as Jess was critical of Andrew, you started criticizing her, cause for you Andrew can do no wrong.

As for the statement above, i disagree it fully.

[HBB1508]

Looks to me like all the girls have opinions and brains of their own.
If they decide to go to bed early it’s more than likely the better option of either that or sitting listening to Mr.Mememe drone on and on and on.
Andrew is quite pathetic if he isn’t getting fawned over, shame for him the house isn’t full of the normal bimbos this series.

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

As soon as Jess was critical of Andrew, you started criticizing her, cause for you Andrew can do no wrong.

As for the statement above, i disagree it fully.

She was pretty much invisible before. I didn't have much of an opinion on her.

[Calderyon]

I just think its odd we haven't seen it.

I don´t think they showed Jess criticizing Andrew in his game play either, even though it was on the news.

[Niamh.]

I'm glad Andrew hasn't fallen at her feet. She thinks all men will fancy he because she's a glamour girl.

She really hasn't given that impression at all, if that were the case she wouldn't be hanging around the oldies so much. She hasn't used the fact that she's a glamour girl "to her advantage with the men either" she's not dressed provocatively etc etc so that statement is way off and pulled out of thin air tbh

[Vanessa]

I don´t think they showed Jess criticizing Andrew in his game play either, even though it was on the news.

They should show these things. I don't like it when they keep things out of the highlights.

[Calderyon]

^ That´s why a daily live feed would be essential. So that there is no room for error.

[Vanessa]

^ That´s why a daily live feed would be essential. So that there is no room for error.

Those who watch live fed would know that Jess and Andrew aren't close and why. If you only watch the highlights you would have no idea. :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Whoever leaves tomorrow won't change anything. The problem will still be there. They need to talk to each other.

[rionablue]

Jess is trying to carve herself a storyline. Now the final is in sight she needs to pipe up. Where has she been in the first two weeks? Flying under the radar.

Sorry Van you couldnt be more wrong. She may not have been the most vocal in the house but she has converted so many people including me to the idea that maybe just maybe there are glamour models out there who can go into big brother and not flash their tits and bums at every opportunity, CONSTANTLY hog mirrors and trowel on coat after coat of makeup and NOT start jumping into bed with the only single guys. Andrew is tarring Jess with the brush that she should be the ultimate glamour model in there and put it about because he is BITTER to the core and knows that if he tried anything with her he would get nowhere. In the early days the lads were all saying she was fit and they would love to get with her. I am delighted to see Jess'es popularity on here specially in housemate rankings. Its so different to how other glamour models have been perceived down through the years

[rionablue]

As soon as Jess was critical of Andrew, you started criticizing her, cause for you Andrew can do no wrong.

As for the statement above, i disagree it fully.

PRECISELY

[Alf]

Andrew wants control, but has run into a smarter person whom he can't control and he doesn't like it.

Doesn't he want to control that everyone should stay up late? He's decided that if Ann wasn't there, that all the girls will stay up late with him.

[Vanessa]

Andrew wants control, but has run into a smarter person whom he can't control and he doesn't like it.

Doesn't he want to control that everyone should stay up late? He's decided that if Ann wasn't there, that all the girls will stay up late with him.

But the ladies are tucked up in bed early, just so that Ann can sleep. I think everyone should go to bed when they want. They should turn off the light when they want.

[jaxie]

The fact is they are all adults and I don't see Ann having anyone against the glass with their hands up their back forcing them to go to bed. If they are intimidated by her, that's on them.

[jaxie]

But the ladies are tucked up in bed early, just so that Ann can sleep. I think everyone should go to bed when they want. The should turn off the light when they want.

The light issue is on Big Brother, not Ann.

[jet]

The fact is they are all adults and I don't see Ann having anyone against the glass with their hands up their back forcing them to go to bed. If they are intimidated by her, that's on them.

Exactly...and not one of them has complained that Ann is 'making' them go to bed.

[Livia]

They are all grown women. I would suggest if Ann makes them self-conscious about their behaviour, perhaps they know that their behaviour is questionable?

Ann has more character and entertainment value than most of the females in there. Some of them I can hardly recall.

[jaxie]

They are all grown women. I would suggest if Ann makes them self-conscious about their behaviour, perhaps they know that their behaviour is questionable?

Ann has more character and entertainment value than most of the females in there. Some of them I can hardly recall.

:clap1:

[Niamh.]

They are all grown women. I would suggest if Ann makes them self-conscious about their behaviour, perhaps they know that their behaviour is questionable?

Ann has more character and entertainment value than most of the females in there. Some of them I can hardly recall.

Ann is the epitome of just being honest/speaking her mind, I hate hate hate when every year a HMs nasty and rude behaviour is passed off with that excuse. What Ann does is an actual example of that, she doesn't say things to upset people and she doesn't insult people, she just speaks her mind when she needs to and I will add I don't even like alot of her opinions but they're hers and she's not hurting anyone by having them or stopping anyone else from having their own

[Jamie89]

Andrew wants control, but has run into a smarter person whom he can't control and he doesn't like it.

Doesn't he want to control that everyone should stay up late? He's decided that if Ann wasn't there, that all the girls will stay up late with him.

My thoughts too. I think he wants to be the center of things in general and even though Ann probably does have a certain level of influence over some hm's, I don't think Andrews problem is that in itself or that he's concerned for their independence, it's that he wants to have that influence instead. He's not really looking out for the other girls he's just jealous of Ann imo. And tbh Ann's influence doesn't really stretch that far anyway, it's mostly just people being respectful towards a 70 year old woman.

[Livia]

Ann is the epitome of just being honest/speaking her mind, I hate hate hate when every year a HMs nasty and rude behaviour is passed off with that excuse. What Ann does is an actual example of that, she doesn't say things to upset people and she doesn't insult people, she just speaks her mind when she needs to and I will add I don't even like alot of her opinions but they're hers and she's not hurting anyone by having them or stopping anyone else from having their own

I couldn't agree more. She actually speaks her mind and when she does she engages the clutch of tact. I've seen her questioned about her opinions by people ready for a fight, but once she explains herself, and that it's her own, well thought-through opinion... there's not much they can counter with.

[Ellen]

Ann has never said the girls need to go to bed when she does.

[Niamh.]

Ann has never said the girls need to go to bed when she does.

She did last night tbf, searching for Ashley so the lights could be turned out :laugh: pretty sure Ashley was planning on going to bed anyway after the Diary Room, her "man" was already gone to bed

[GoldHeart]

She did last night tbf, searching for Ashley so the lights could be turned out :laugh: pretty sure Ashley was planning on going to bed anyway after the Diary Room, her "man" was already gone to bed

If the option is going to bed or staying up with Andrew the garbage face then I'd be in bed fast asleep :hee:

[Ellen]

She did last night tbf, searching for Ashley so the lights could be turned out :laugh: pretty sure Ashley was planning on going to bed anyway after the Diary Room, her "man" was already gone to bed

She didnt actually say Ashley its your bed time :joker:

[Niamh.]

She didnt actually say Ashley its your bed time :joker:

Well no but she did ask where she was and then told the boys to tell her to come in so the lights could be switched off however Ashleys was already in her PJs so she'd probably told her she was going to bed

[jaxie]

Well no but she did ask where she was and then told the boys to tell her to come in so the lights could be switched off however Ashleys was already in her PJs so she'd probably told her she was going to bed

It was past 1am and there was a clip on bots where all the other women from the room were telling Ann well done for asking Ashley to go to bed.

On that occasion I think they were all waiting for the lights off, though typically it's Ann who gets the 'blame'.

[Jase.]

Absolutely. She's clearly a terrible person.

[Vanessa]

He definitely has a point. But I think Big brother refusing to switch off the lights is causing most of the problem.

[Gusto Brunt]

No. The housemates have free minds of their own. They respect her but if they dont want to do what she asks or agree with her I am sure they wont do it. Andrew is just jealous that SHE is getting more attention from the young girls than HE IS the pillock

Spot on. Let's get this straight. Ann is 70 years old and 5 feet 1.

Seriously she is controlling the house??

What a joke, Andrew. Grow a pair.:fist:

[Vanessa]

Spot on. Let's get this straight. Ann is 70 years old and 5 feet 1.

Seriously she is controlling the house??

What a joke, Andrew. Grow a pair.:fist:

He's not the only one to say it. Rachel, Malika and Shane also did it.

[jaxie]

He definitely has a point. But I think Big brother refusing to switch off the lights is causing most of the problem.

Big brother is the problem but in all the Ann bitching he doesn't have a point. He's being a bitch and making himself look very bad. It's all on Andrew. Shame he might have come close to winning, Shane J too.

[Gusto Brunt]

He's not the only one to say it. Rachel, Malika and Shane also did it.

Maybe but you just mentioned three 'women' there. Andrew is a guy. ;)

[Vanessa]

Maybe but you just mentioned three 'women' there. Andrew is a guy. ;)

My point is, Andrew is not the only one who finds Ann controlling.

[jaxie]

My point is, Andrew is not the only one who finds Ann controlling.

They are adults!

[GoldHeart]

They are adults!

Exactly Ann doesn't have them on a leash :joker:

[girlfighter1992]

Yes I agree with Andrew he is spot on about Ann but I know a lot of people will disagree him because everybody loves Ann the winner this year.

[Vanessa]

Yes I agree with Andrew he is spot on about Ann but I know a lot of people will disagree him because everybody loves Ann the winner this year.

This. And he isn't the only one who thinks that either. But some people conveniently ignore that and put them it all on Andrew.

[girlfighter1992]

This. And he isn't the only one who thinks that either. But some people conveniently ignore that and put them it all on Andrew.

I know its annoying me that people are hating on him because he gets annoyed by Ann where there are some of the others who do as well

[Denver]

He as no respect for his elders is parents must be embarrassed by him

[Vanessa]

I know its annoying me that people are hating on him because he gets annoyed by Ann where there are some of the others who do as well

Whoever goes tomorrow won't solve the problem. It will still be there and I bet things will kick off soon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think Andrew has a problem with women

Good luck any women that goes out with him

:skull:

[jaxie]

I think Andrew has a problem with women

Good luck any women that goes out with him

:skull:

You know you might be right LT. He is also a bit negative about Jess and the other girls isn't he?

[Vanessa]

I think Andrew has a problem with women

Good luck any women that goes out with him

:skull:

I think he doesn't like authority and be controlled , to be honest. It's nothing personal against Ann. He just sees her as bossy. He seems to get on well with Amanda, who is older than Ann but more open minded.

[montblanc]

i absolutely despise him but he does have a point

[waterhog]

Meaning that Ann pressurizes the girls in a sense and is kind of weighing them down in a sense that the girls go by Ann´s rules in terms everything (behavior in the house, going to sleep early like Ann etc.) instead of being themselves. Mostly out of respect and wanting her approval.

What do you think?

I think I just done a poem on this - the first rule of the BB house is no politics - I broke this rule. :shrug:

[Northern Monkey]

As much as I dislike Andrew.I think he probably has a point.
He comes across bitchy af though.Specially when he’s had a drink.

[Vanessa]

As much as I dislike Andrew.I think he probably has a point.
He comes across bitchy af though.Specially when he’s had a drink.

I think they can all be bitchy sometimes. There's nothing else to do in there really :laugh: