Can Ann be blamed for Rochdale sex abuse?

[Wizard.]

Well should she? Maggie implies Ann could’ve done something about it. Maybe she hates Maggie out of guilt.

[Denver]

No its the viewers who accepted it kmt

[Wizard.]

No its the viewers who accepted it kmt

I don’t mean Ann specifically but people who had power.

[Kazanne]

Well should she? Maggie implies Ann could’ve done something about it. Maybe she hates Maggie out of guilt.

How could it be Anns fault :shrug:I am sure if she could have done something she would

[Wizard.]

How could it be Anns fault :shrug:I am sure if she could have done something she would

Well you would think she would’ve asked Maggie about it but she doesn’t want to draw attention to it because she knows she would face hot fire

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Well should she? Maggie implies Ann could’ve done something about it. Maybe she hates Maggie out of guilt.

I think Ann is probably used to it tbh.

[GiRTh]

How could it be Anns fault :shrug:I am sure if she could have done something she wouldAnn was shadow Home secretary in 2001 and still a leading conservative up till 2010. The Rochdale investigation started 2004 so I would agree it was a bit odd that Ann didn't even ask Maggie anything about it

[poppsywoppsy]

Shadow Home Secretary does not mean Ann was in power.

[lewis111]

How could it be Anns fault :shrug:I am sure if she could have done something she would

I'm not implying she could've done anything cause I don't know
But I don't think it's fair to say she would have if she could given her voting records on other things - she thinks about her self not anyone else

[GiRTh]

Shadow Home Secretary does not mean Ann was in power.You have that right :thumbs:

But the timeline clearly shows Ann was still an MP and a leading conservative figure while the investigation was going on so I still think it was odd that she - according to Maggie - never even mentioned it or asked Maggie about it.

[Kazanne]

You have that right :thumbs:

But the timeline clearly shows Ann was still an MP and a leading conservative figure while the investigation was going on so I still think it was odd that she - according to Maggie - never even mentioned it or asked Maggie about it.

Well maybe Ann thought it too sensitive a subject and private to be airing it on BB, who knows maybe Emma will ask her

[GiRTh]

Yeah Maybe that's it

[Kazanne]

I'm not implying she could've done anything cause I don't know
But I don't think it's fair to say she would have if she could given her voting records on other things - she thinks about her self not anyone else

And I don't think it's fair to blame someone for something we know very little about

[Cherry Christmas]

Why didn't Maggie mention the minister, the shadow Minster doesn't have a lot of power

Maggie same across as pretty bitter maybe she though she would win given her background

[GiRTh]

Why didn't Maggie mention the minister, the shadow Minster doesn't have a lot of powerSHe wasnt asked about the Minister she was asked about Ann

Another thing, Ann has never married or had children so why did she have such a reaction to the pregnancy task?

[Cherry Christmas]

SHe wasnt asked about the Minister she was asked about Ann

Another thing, Ann has never married or had children so why did she have such a reaction to the pregnancy task?

Maybe because many who have never experienced childbirth can't understand it

[bots]

Why didn't Maggie mention the minister, the shadow Minster doesn't have a lot of power

Maggie same across as pretty bitter maybe she though she would win given her background

Maggie let herself down in that interview, She is politically opposed to Ann, Channel 5 were on very dodgy ground allowing Maggie to spout off like that without giving Ann an immediate right to respond

[GiRTh]

Maybe because many who have never experienced childbirth can't understand itYet she took it out on Maggie when all the women laughed. I think Ann May have some issue here :idc:

[Cherry Christmas]

Yet she took it out on Maggie when all the women laughed. I think Ann May have some issue here :idc:

She wasn't going to nominate Amanda was she :laugh:

[joeysteele]

And I don't think it's fair to blame someone for something we know very little about

Well look,I am now a staunch Labour supporter however they were the govt.then
Ann was only shadow Home Secretary,who takes much notice of shadow ministers really,even if they should.

It's the Labour Home Secretary of the time who should have to give some answers to that issue.

Just as now, it should be the serving Home Secretary who gets the flack on issues as bad as that.
Not the opposition spokesmen/women.

[Kazanne]

Maggie let herself down in that interview, She is politically opposed to Ann, Channel 5 were on very dodgy ground allowing Maggie to spout off like that without giving Ann an immediate right to respond

I did notice Emma trying to shut it down a bit,it was uneccesary to bring that up

[Kazanne]

Well look,I am now a staunch Labour supporter however they were the govt.then
Ann was only shadow Home Secretary,who takes much notice of shadow ministers really,even if they should.

It's the Labour Home Secretary of the time who should have to give some answers to that issue.

Just as now, it should be the serving Home Secretary who gets the flack on issues as bad as that.
Not the opposition spokesmen/women.

Thanks for that info Joey,

[GiRTh]

Still odd that she never asked about it.

[Kazanne]

Still odd that she never asked about it.

maybe she's not allowed to,who knows it is rather a sensitive case

[GiRTh]

maybe she's not allowed to,who knows it is rather a sensitive caseSeriously?

[Kazanne]

Seriously?

I don't know but I would think it's quite a serious case ,I don't know how these things work

[GiRTh]

Maggie was talking about it on launch night so I doubt it was a banned topic.:joker:

[Rustic bauble]

Still odd that she never asked about it.

Equally though..why didn't Maggie raise the discussion in the house?....she had plenty of opportunity. No good bringing it up at her eviction interview..the opportunity has gone. Bit underhand IMO...

[GiRTh]

She talked about it on launch night. :shrug:

[joeysteele]

Equally though..why didn't Maggie raise the discussion in the house?....she had plenty of opportunity. No good bringing it up at her eviction interview..the opportunity has gone. Bit underhand IMO...

Really good point.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Equally though..why didn't Maggie raise the discussion in the house?....she had plenty of opportunity. No good bringing it up at her eviction interview..the opportunity has gone. Bit underhand IMO...

She was bitter about being nominated by Ann as it was still fresh, so a bit understandable...

[jaxie]

How could it be Anns fault :shrug:I am sure if she could have done something she would

Ann retired in 2010. :laugh:

[jaxie]

I know let's blame Ann for the Crucifixion and Hitler and Trump and anything we can think of between? :shrug:

[Jase.]

I know let's blame Ann for the Crucifixion and Hitler and Trump and anything we can think of between? :shrug:

Absolutely!

[GiRTh]

I know let's blame Ann for the Crucifixion and Hitler and Trump and anything we can think of between? :shrug:
:conf:

[Kazanne]

She talked about it on launch night. :shrug:

I never heard it,just a brief description of what happened

[GiRTh]

I never heard it,just a brief description of what happenedWHich would be talking about it. :shrug:

[pontyboi]

It'S odd she didn't bring it up with Maggie I think Ann might be just avoiding the subject wether it's from guilt or imo she hates losing pride or losing face.

Her nomination of Maggie for the reasons she gave were pathetic...either Ann is in the early stages of dementia not to notice every woman was howling with laughter or she is that bad at judging people and situations which is quite scary seeing as she was a main player in parliament.

[Paula D]

Totally agree. Maggie totally slandering Ann there and could be sued.

Extremely bitter that she was evicted. Nasty.

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[Kazanne]

Maggie was just asked about jess on BBBOTS and she got onto Ann again saying Ann could have stopped what she exposed,then Rylan said Ann wasn't there to defend herself,so Maggie needs to stop,Ann could not have stopped it at all and as someone said she retired in 2010.

[Jamie89]

Well look,I am now a staunch Labour supporter however they were the govt.then
Ann was only shadow Home Secretary,who takes much notice of shadow ministers really,even if they should.

It's the Labour Home Secretary of the time who should have to give some answers to that issue.

Just as now, it should be the serving Home Secretary who gets the flack on issues as bad as that.
Not the opposition spokesmen/women.

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

[Kazanne]

It'S odd she didn't bring it up with Maggie I think Ann might be just avoiding the subject wether it's from guilt or imo she hates losing pride or losing face.

Her nomination of Maggie for the reasons she gave were pathetic...either Ann is in the early stages of dementia not to notice every woman was howling with laughter or she is that bad at judging people and situations which is quite scary seeing as she was a main player in parliament.

her nomination was weird but it was hers to make no need for Maggie to keep trying to blame Ann for something that was out of her control.

[GiRTh]

Maggie was just asked about jess on BBBOTS and she got onto Ann again saying Ann could have stopped what she exposed,then Rylan said Ann wasn't there to defend herself,so Maggie needs to stop,Ann could not have stopped it at all and as someone said she retired in 2010.Sounds like Maggie might be a bit bitter which IMO is totally justified considering Anns reasons for nominating her are disintegrating before our eyes

[Kazanne]

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

How could she ,she had retired ,best person to ask on here is Joey.

[pontyboi]

Equally though..why didn't Maggie raise the discussion in the house?....she had plenty of opportunity. No good bringing it up at her eviction interview..the opportunity has gone. Bit underhand IMO...

Oh cmon would any sane person be like "Ann did you nominate me because of my participation in the Rochdale case?" ....bigger picture people.

[GiRTh]

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.Exactly.

[Paula D]

Think about it, is every politician supposed to do something about every situation?

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[Jamie89]

How could she ,she had retired ,best person to ask on here is Joey.

I know I'm waiting for him to answer us :laugh: I don't know tbh Kaz, Girth stated that the case started in 2004 which would have been before Ann retired. And just with Maggie seeming to be so certain about it... she doesn't strike me as someone who's malicious or anything and she seems like she knows what she's talking about. It looks like it might be a situation where possibly Ann could have done something to help and didn't, but also that it wasn't actually her responsibility. But like I said I don't really know I'm just curious about it all.

[Kazanne]

I know I'm waiting for him to answer us :laugh: I don't know tbh Kaz, someone else stated that the case started in 2004 which would have been before Ann retired. And just with Maggie seeming to be so certain about it... she doesn't strike me as someone who's malicious or anything. It looks like it might be a situation where possibly Ann could have done something to help and didn't, but also that it wasn't actually her responsibility. But like I said I don't really know I'm just curious about it all.

Yes me too but I do know Joey said she was only a shadow minister, so was not a big wig in parliament.hopefully Joey will see this,

[jaxie]

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

[Kazanne]

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

Thanks for that Jaxie, yes I was a bit shocked at Maggie for that, she's going all out on a limb with that one.

[GiRTh]

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.SHe made a bid for speaker of the house in 2009 she was hardly a low level back bencher.

[Cherry Christmas]

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

:clap1:

[jaxie]

SHe made a bid for speaker of the house in 2009 she was hardly a low level back bencher.

And the speaker is involved in police investigations and court cases? Don't be daft.

[Jamie89]

Maybe she'll get asked about it when they inevitably send in Eamonn Holmes as part of a task to ask them "tough questions"

[GiRTh]

And the speaker is involved in police investigations and court cases? Don't be daft.
No but you talk like she was semi-retired which is just not true.

[jaxie]

What I find bizarre is how quickly people will assign things to an individual based on air. This seems to be happening to Ann a lot and while I don't always agree with her I find it particularly unfair.

[Rustic bauble]

Oh cmon would any sane person be like "Ann did you nominate me because of my participation in the Rochdale case?" ....bigger picture people.


I'm wasn't implying she should have bought the subject up 'because' Ann nominated her. I was saying she could have bought it up anytime if she felt that strongly about Ann's possible influence in the situation. Maggie implied in her interview that she could have done something in her position as and when.
It's no good Maggie bringing that up now...when she's had 2 weeks to confront her on it.
Just sounds like an unecessary accusation at someone who isn't there to defend themselves when she has had 2.5 weeks to discuss it.

[GiRTh]

What I find bizarre is how quickly people will assign things to an individual based on air. This seems to be happening to Ann a lot and while I don't always agree with her I find it particularly unfair.WHat are you on about now? Is this the trump and Hitler stuff you mentioned earlier. Please explain further. :conf:

[jaxie]

No but you talk like she was semi-retired which is just not true.

No I said she retired from ministerial jobs and was a backbencher. This means she was an MP but didn't hold any job that would bring her into involvement with the Rochdale case. Unless maybe if she is was MP for Rochdale which she was not.

[GiRTh]

No I said she retired from ministerial jobs and was a backbencher. This means she was an MP but didn't hold any job that would bring her into involvement with the Rochdale case. Unless maybe if she is was MP for Rochdale which she was not.And I say she was still a leading figure in the tory party not a semi-retired backbencher.

[Cherry Christmas]

And I say she was still a leading figure in the tory party not a semi-retired backbencher.

Labour were in power was it not their responsibility?

[GiRTh]

Labour were in power was it not their responsibility?Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on:shrug: So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

[jaxie]

Well look,I am now a staunch Labour supporter however they were the govt.then
Ann was only shadow Home Secretary,who takes much notice of shadow ministers really,even if they should.

It's the Labour Home Secretary of the time who should have to give some answers to that issue.

Just as now, it should be the serving Home Secretary who gets the flack on issues as bad as that.
Not the opposition spokesmen/women.

Thank you Joey for showing fairness. I think she was shadow home secretary in 1995 which was quite a while before the Rochdale case came up and I doubt as shadow she would have been party to information unless it was in the press at the time.

[Cherry Christmas]

Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on:shrug: So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !

[jaxie]

Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on:shrug: So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

Well I know Ann is a strong woman but I wouldn't expect her to be psychic or a mind reader if she wasn't in a job where she would come into contact with information about specific cases. :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Well I know Ann is a strong woman but I wouldn't expect her to be psychic or a mind reader if she wasn't in a job where she would come into contact with information about specific cases. :shrug:Seriously? try again

[GiRTh]

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !On opening night.

[bots]

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !

There is also the official secrets act that prohibits Ann from discussing anything that is not in the public domain. To enter into a discussion on a subject as emotive as Rochdale would be very difficult.

[Cherry Christmas]

On opening night.

And what was the outcome?

[Cherry Christmas]

There is also the official secrets act that prohibits Ann from discussing anything that is not in the public domain. To enter into a discussion on a subject as emotive as Rochdale would be very difficult.

Agree

[GiRTh]

And what was the outcome?They talked for a few minutes then moved onto another subject.

[Cherry Christmas]

They talked for a few minutes then moved onto another subject.

Right, seem fine to me hardly the place to discuss it given the families sensitivities I don't think CBB is the correct place to discuss such a sensitive issue

[GiRTh]

Right, seem fine to me hardly the place to discuss it given the families sensitivities I don't think CBB is the correct place to discuss such a sensitive issueThere is already enough in the press for everyone to know wHat happened so I dont agree with that argument.

[Jake.]

Yes, she is completely to blame and should be held fully accountable

[smudgie]

Who knew...Maggie could be so bitter.
It's a chuffing reality game show, she will still have been paid so no need for the foot stamping.

[Christmas Lights]

What on Earth ?!!! :conf::shocked: what's Ann got to do with the Rochdale abuse?!. Shouldn't the topic be about blaming Ann for Maggie being evicted seen as she put her up for eviction.

[Candy Annie Cane]

If Maggie felt so strongly about it she should have pressed Ann for answers, she was a copper....they know how to interrogate and interview people. Whatever her reasons for only bringing it up now, she had plenty of opportunity. What she did in Rochdale was amazing, no doubt about that and there were plenty of government and department al **** ups but a reality show is not the place to air those grievances for a multitude of reasons

[Christmas Lights]

If Maggie felt so strongly about it she should have pressed Ann for answers, she was a copper....they know how to interrogate and interview people. Whatever her reasons for only bringing it up now, she had plenty of opportunity. What she did in Rochdale was amazing, no doubt about that and there were plenty of government and department al **** ups but a reality show is not the place to air those grievances for a multitude of reasons

Omg !!! :shocked: did Maggie kick off then?? . I'm surprised it wasn't a heated debate in the house between her and Ann ,but as usual nobody says anything to Ann's face .

Maybe she's more upset about Ann nominating her and her anger has gone towards Ann's politics as well .

But the Rochdale abuse scandal has nothing to do with CBB , so seems weird that she'd choose to bring it up .

[JerseyWins]

Maggie :facepalm:

Irrelevant and then she comes out with that wtf

[Christmas Lights]

Maggie :facepalm:

Irrelevant and then she comes out with that wtf

It makes me wish she spoke with Ann though :fist: . Everyone gets courage when they're not around Ann anymore.

I can understand wanting an easy life in the house with peace and quiet,but this all seems strange now :conf:. Why didn't Maggie get this off her chest whilst in the house.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah that would've been good to see how it would've played out in the house.

Maybe it's in the next episode before they re-show the eviction? :shrug:

[Christmas Lights]

Yeah that would've been good to see how it would've played out in the house.

Maybe it's in the next episode before they re-show the eviction? :shrug:

I doubt it :idc:

[poppsywoppsy]

I only just watched BBBOTS and turned it off after Maggie's unfairness at Ann.

Perhaps Ann did not think CBB was the place to discuss the Rochdale happenings.

Why did Maggie not bring it up with Ann if she had these questions and gave Ann a chance to answer?

If Ann hadn't nominated Maggie, would she still be accusing Ann?

Ann might have been under orders from her superiors not to comment at the time. She was Shadow Home Secretary, not THE Home Secretary.

It smacks of sour grapes from Maggie because Ann reasonings were disagreeable to her and shows an irrational side to Maggie not seen before.

Also Ann does not sit easily with sexual matters being discussed in public, it just might be another reason for her reticence.

[Cherry Christmas]

Yes, she is completely to blame and should be held fully accountable

:joker:

[Christmas Lights]

I only just watched BBBOTS and turned it off after Maggie's unfairness at Ann.

Perhaps Ann did not think CBB was the place to discuss the Rochdale happenings.

Why did Maggie not bring it up with Ann if she had these questions and gave Ann a chance to answer?

If Ann hadn't nominated Maggie, would she still be accusing Ann?

Ann might have been under orders from her superiors not to comment at the time. She was Shadow Home Secretary, not THE Home Secretary.

It smacks of sour grapes from Maggie because Ann reasonings were disagreeable to her and shows an irrational side to Maggie not seen before.

Also Ann does not sit easily with sexual matters being discussed in public, it just might be another reason for her reticence.

You've made good points.

But I think if Maggie quietly sat somewhere with Ann and just asked her about it she would of answered,Ann has talked about loads of stuff she doesn't like.

She even talked about prison abuse briefly . And that was with a few people in the discussion.

And we know Maggie isn't quiet as in the first week she piped up about religion when Ann said she was Catholic and they both clashed a bit .

I think maybe Maggie is mostly upset about being nominated,and Ann could of had a better excuse :facepalm: , why single Maggie out for laughing at the men ?? When all the women were laughing EXCEPT for Ann herself who was cringing :rolleyes: .

[joeysteele]

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.

[arista]

Well should she? Maggie implies Ann could’ve done something about it. Maybe she hates Maggie out of guilt.


No she was
not aware of it

Maggie should have asked her for Ann's view?

[arista]

Who knew...Maggie could be so bitter.
It's a chuffing reality game show, she will still have been paid so no need for the foot stamping.


From former Police Top Lady
Angry at Ann's former job.

But Maggie should have asked her outright..................

[Withano]

Ann directly, no. All MP's collectively, in part yes. But I'd say Maggie was being too harsh.

[Kazanne]

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.


Thanks for clarifying that Joey,I really think it's a low blow from Maggie,I know what Maggie did was commendable,but it was her job and nothing at all to do with CBB,seems she is more bitter at her nom than I thought.

[poppsywoppsy]

You've made good points.

But I think if Maggie quietly sat somewhere with Ann and just asked her about it she would of answered,Ann has talked about loads of stuff she doesn't like.

She even talked about prison abuse briefly . And that was with a few people in the discussion.

And we know Maggie isn't quiet as in the first week she piped up about religion when Ann said she was Catholic and they both clashed a bit .

I think maybe Maggie is mostly upset about being nominated,and Ann could of had a better excuse :facepalm: , why single Maggie out for laughing at the men ?? When all the women were laughing EXCEPT for Ann herself who was cringing :rolleyes: .

Yes, to the last paragraph, it could have been gameplaying on Ann's behalf as much as she said it wasn't personal.

Jess was the main culprit if you look at it as a reason for nomination.

Maggie seemed to bring a lot of anger into CBB, against those she deems responsible for ignoring the Rochdale abuses, rightly so but was it the right topic for a light entertainment reality show?

Yes, she was brought into the house, in the Year of the Woman because of it but to expect others had to discuss it with her and if not blamed because they were a politician at the time, is a bit rich.

[Jamie89]

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.

Thanks Joey that makes a lot of sense. I suppose Maggie is probably laying blame with government in general and Ann just happens to be the closest thing to a 'representative' of them in the house hence why Maggie is talking about her specifically, but yeah it would be pretty unfair for her to actually be blamed for any of it.

[jaxie]

A few facts. The Rochdale grooming case first came to light investigation wise in 2008 but Manchester police failed to investigate them properly for which they have apologised and it wasn't until 2012 and 2015 that there were convictions.

Ann was home secretary between 1995 and 1997. She was minister for prisons so was involved more in prisoners after conviction. She did not hold any government office after this, except in shadow as Labour were in power and was a regular back bench MP from 2001 until 2010 when she retired completely.

I like Ann as a housemate and think she is fascinating to watch. I feel she is being quite unfairly tarnished in this instance. I feel a bit sorry for her in regard never having had the opportunity to have children or love as she would have wished but as an atheist I hardly share her views which are mostly based on her religious beliefs.

Though in some cases I understand her argument and think the intention is sometimes misunderstood.

Like when she said with regard an equal age of consent for homosexuals: "I do not believe that issues of equality should override the imperatives of protecting the young." I don't agree but I can see where she is coming from.

After the murder of the two ten year olds from Soham in 2002 Ann spoke of her support for reintroducing the death penalty in cases of murder as it might be a deterrent. I think many people feel hanging wouldn't be a bad idea for child murderers. Within five years of the death penalty being abolished, the amount of murders doubled.

Apart from fox hunting, she has my support that she was a strong advocate for banning it.

[Livia]

Well you would think she would’ve asked Maggie about it but she doesn’t want to draw attention to it because she knows she would face hot fire

Ann probably knows alllll about it. And blaming one solitary MP is ridiculous. You can't blame the police exclusively, you can't blame the lily-livered council exclusively... no one person or set of people were to blame it was a series of unforgivable failings by a series of agencies.

[Wizard.]

Ann probably knows alllll about it. And blaming one solitary MP is ridiculous. You can't blame the police exclusively, you can't blame the lily-livered council exclusively... no one person or set of people were to blame it was a series of unforgivable failings by a series of agencies.

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

[jaxie]

I am actually wondering if Maggie could face libel over what she said.

[bots]

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

Anne is restricted in what she can say by the official secrets act. She cant spout forth on any old topic. Also BB is hardly the platform to discuss such things

[Livia]

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

What could she have done? She was not in a position of power... BUT there were PLENTY of MPs, 650 of them, actually sitting in the House at the time, from a variety of parties... Why aren't any of them to blame?

Honestly, this is one of the silliest discussions on here for a long time.

[Kazanne]

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

Ann is in CBB a game show why do they need to air private stuff like that,there could be many reasons it wasn't mentioned and as someone said if it pissed Maggie off that much why didn't she mention it to Ann ? sorry but I just think this is sour grapes.on Maggies part

[Livia]

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

You know, there were lots of people who, at the time, weren't MPs. Why aren't we blaming them? How much interest did Maggie take in Ann's career?

Ann is under no obligation to talk about anything.

[Livia]

I am actually wondering if Maggie could face libel over what she said.

Slander...

Sorry, couldn't resist x

[jaxie]

Slander...

Sorry, couldn't resist x

Ah thank you! :wavey: I should have said legal action.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

Ann’s not even an MP anymore.She does dancing shows and reality TV.Maybe she doesn’t want to talk about serious subjects like that and just wants to enjoy what she’s doing now.

[mr rochester]

SHe wasnt asked about the Minister she was asked about Ann

Another thing, Ann has never married or had children so why did she have such a reaction to the pregnancy task?

I think I remember Ann clearly stating she was against anyone inflicting pain on anyone else. So her horror of the task was pain not pregnancy.

I think she also said she would have liked to have children but it didn’t happen. I would be interested to know if she would have given up her high profile career if she ever had got pregnant.

Many women (myself included) had to work when their children were young. This is often not a life choice but a necessity ...

It was a very cavalier thing for her to state in such a forceful manner.