WHAT

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

john suggesting that andrew is “out of his club” if he experiments with shane :umm2:

even if this was meant jokingly EJECT HA! RAT! SNAKE! SCUM!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

like saying that he planned nights out with andrew but if andrew did anything with courtney he wouldn’t be allowed to go??

girls i’m shook honestly

[Firewire]

eject her! bring back maggie! homophobe!

[Jase.]

Not watching atm. He legit said that? Wtf

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i don’t understand how he thought this was an ok thing to say/it would be perceived well :skull:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Not watching atm. He legit said that? Wtf

his exact words were “if anything happens (between andrew and courtney) he’s out of my club”

a DIRTY mess

[Amy Jade]

Even the way he explained it was revolting. Basically saying if Andrew experimented it must mean he wan't to try it on with the other men

[Jase.]

his exact words were “if anything happens (between andrew and courtney) he’s out of my club”

a DIRTY mess

a ****ing RAT

[T*]

I’m disgusted!

[Greg!]

eject it. scum

[lewis111]

DISGUSTING that he was even considering Andrew being in his club

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Like Andrew needs John's permission. He can do what he likes :hmph:

[Jason.]

john suggesting that andrew is “out of his club” if he experiments with shane :umm2:

even if this was meant jokingly EJECT HA! RAT! SNAKE! SCUM!

So which one is he?

A rat or a snake?

http://i.imgur.com/oai8pUg.gif

[Epic.]

Wtf. I don't have 5Star so i can't watch till half ten, but John was the LAST person I expected to say something like that, i mean what the ****

[Lilac hills]

I was taken back at first I thought he was joking but wow

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I'm watching the voice. Will catch up on this later.

[rph]

FFS - John appears for 1 scene and i hate him alot now - ann levels

[Oliver_W]

How is that even something you'd think of saying as a joke?

[poppsywoppsy]

John can say whatever he likes, it is his honest opinion

He explained it fully from his point of view and it was accepted

Some on here want to show the tolerance towards others which they expect from them.

[Glenn-C]

We lost Maggie over him

[Marsh.]

RAT!

This is triggering!

[Cherry Christmas]

FFS - John appears for 1 scene and i hate him alot now - ann levels

What has Ann said in the house that is comparable?

[lewis111]

What has Ann said in the house that is comparable?

As much as I would say I'm a fan - she has probabaly said worse whilst explaining her views and votes on LGBT issues

[Cherry Christmas]

As much as I would say I'm a fan - she has probabaly said worse whilst explaining her views and votes on LGBT issues

"Probably" being the operative word, what has she actually said though

[lewis111]

"Probably" being the operative word, what has she actually said though

Well I can't remember exactly what was said a fortnight ago but her explanations of why she was/is against same sex marriage and gays having equal age of consent are nothing but homophobic

[Epic.]

Watching it now. What a prick. Can't understand how anyone can support him after that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

[Ant.]

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

[poppsywoppsy]

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

[Parmy]

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

[Ant.]

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

I Did! John is a homophobe

[poppsywoppsy]

I Did! John is a homophobe

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

[poppsywoppsy]

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

He didn't want, like or ask for it, that's where he was coming from.

[Ant.]

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

You're right! Names and labels won't change the fact he's a homophobe. Thanks for understanding babe it's always great when people look at different points of view :love:

[Lilac hills]

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

And the issue really is that he’s aware of it. He explained it in full so you can’t pass it off as uneducation because he’s fully aware of the implications of what he said. It’s not like oh well he doesn’t really understand it blame it on upbringing ykno

[Ant.]

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen :)

[RileyH]

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen :)

:laugh2:

[montblanc]

ugh are you serious he said that? i'm actually shocked

[poppsywoppsy]

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

[Lilac hills]

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

[Ant.]

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[poppsywoppsy]

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

[Ant.]

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

No, because we aren't being silly. But realistically yes

[poppsywoppsy]

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

No tolerance from you then, yet you want him to be tolerant. Hypocritical much?

[Lilac hills]

R u baiting I can’t tell

[Jase.]

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

[poppsywoppsy]

R u baiting I can’t tell

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

[poppsywoppsy]

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

I apologize for nothing.

What I have tried to do is give an understanding as to why John has his opinions and thoughts.

And ask for tolerance, that's all.

[Ant.]

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

people: yikes John is homophobic!
you: YIKES that's... really intolerant? If you want him to yknow.... not be homophobic.... maybe you should... not say he's homophobic? just a thought sweaties! :^) Anyway I'm gonna carry on telling yall why John thinks like that even though he explained why he thinks like he does on the show. anyway John was raised in a different time and is aware that he's flawed in his way of thinking yet shown no remorse or attempt to hold back with what he said but J'EXCUSED because he's froma few generations ago ! :)

[Lilac hills]

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

What he said was literally intolerant

To expect tolerance in return is by definition hypocritical

[poppsywoppsy]

people: yikes John is homophobic!
you: YIKES that's... really intolerant? If you want him to yknow.... not be homophobic.... maybe you should... not say he's homophobic? just a thought sweaties! :^) Anyway I'm gonna carry on telling yall why John thinks like that even though he explained why he thinks like he does on the show. anyway John was raised in a different time and is aware that he's flawed in his way of thinking yet shown no remorse or attempt to hold back with what he said but J'EXCUSED because he's froma few generations ago ! :)

Perhaps after reading your post, I was expecting too much

Sweetie!!!!!:nono: yall:joker:

[Ant.]

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' :worry: ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

[Garfie]

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

I think this is making excuses for him. This is more to do with his individual opinions than a generational thing. There are plenty of people older than John who have more enlightened views, and John has grown up in a time when he should be more aware.

I'm really surprised at John. Had the conversation been about passing such judgements on someone due to outdated views on race, he would have (quite rightly) been disgusted and people wouldn't be making excuses for those views on the grounds of age.

[Parmy]

He didn't want, like or ask for it, that's where he was coming from.

I can see that argument if he were a woman getting unwanted advances from a bloke, but hes a big bloke and shouldnt feel threatened...so why he feels so intolerent now, at this age shouldbt be put down to the way it was percieved in his youth....especially not when he used to get all greased up before daintily parading about the pitch in the shortest tightest shorts legally allowed in public in those days..the blokes a hypocrite.

[Garfie]

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' :worry: ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

:clap1:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen :)

:joker::joker:

[Amy Jade]

I think blaming his awful views on being of the older generation is nonsensical when we have an 82 year old lesbian and a 69 year old gay man in the house.

John's view is homophobic and that's that, there should be no petty excuses for his mindset.

[poppsywoppsy]

Isn't it down to a culture thing too. There are a lot of older men who think like him.
It is not nonsensical at all.
They do not speak about it because the PC brigade would be down on them, as they have been on John.

He doesn't have to be around anyone he doesn't want to be, straight or Gay.

Amanda and Wayne are not who he was talking about. He was speaking of Shane J who is vastly different in the way he chooses to be from Amanda and Wayne.

As he doesn't do anything untoward to anyone, he should be able to think and live how he chooses.

[Garfie]

I think blaming his awful views on being of the older generation is nonsensical when we have an 82 year old lesbian and a 69 year old gay man in the house.

John's view is homophobic and that's that, there should be no petty excuses for his mindset.

:clap1:

[Rustic bauble]

I knew something like this would happen given time. John Barnes has kept a cap on it so far...I have said it all along. For someone who is so outspoken on racism and discrimination in football...he has shown his true colours and shown himself to be a complete twat and a hypocrite.

[Epic.]

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' :worry: ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

An excellent post :clap1: There's an old saying of mine to describe what he was like tonight; It might explain his actions but it doesn't excuse them.

[Garfie]

Isn't it down to a culture thing too. There are a lot of older men who think like him.
It is not nonsensical at all.
They do not speak about it because the PC brigade would be down on them, as they have been on John.

He doesn't have to be around anyone he doesn't want to be, straight or Gay.

Amanda and Wayne are not who he was talking about. He was speaking of Shane J who is vastly different in the way he chooses to be from Amanda and Wayne.

More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Think also about what he (and you in defending him) are implying about Shane J
as that is another major issue in what you are saying here.

[pontyboi]

I can see that argument if he were a woman getting unwanted advances from a bloke, but hes a big bloke and shouldnt feel threatened...so why he feels so intolerent now, at this age shouldbt be put down to the way it was percieved in his youth....especially not when he used to get all greased up before daintily parading about the pitch in the shortest tightest shorts legally allowed in public in those days..the blokes a hypocrite.

John has preached in previous episodes though about gender, sexuality doesn't mean a thing to him.

His comments that Andrew could only be invited to his (what I'm assuming is a BBQ in his back garden) if he didn't sleep with johnny was just ****ing ridiculous.

[poppsywoppsy]

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

[Garfie]

[QUOTE=poppsywoppsy;9807960

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

[/QUOTE]

Exactly! :facepalm:

[pontyboi]

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

What im getting at is his comment that Andrew would be invited to his party outside the house as long as he didn't sleep with Shane j....how do you even defend that comment?

Neither of the boys have come on to John so that is john himself thinking homosexuality is wrong and pretty much thinking they will prey on him like a gay version of "wrong turn"!

A note to John neither of them men want to jump on you.

[Garfie]

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

'Blinkered'!? There's an irony there!

[poppsywoppsy]

Exactly! :facepalm:

That is his right. He does not have to be.

You cannot make him

This is a free country

You will never convert anyone to your views by calling them names either.

Try some tolerance and you might get somewhere, bashing. People over the head with your views will not.

[poppsywoppsy]

What im getting at is his comment that Andrew would be invited to his party outside the house as long as he didn't sleep with Shane j....how do you even defend that comment?

Neither of the boys have come on to John so that is john himself thinking homosexuality is wrong and pretty much thinking they will prey on him like a gay version of "wrong turn"!

A note to John neither of them men want to jump on you.

What he said was not personal to anyone in the house. It was a general observation of his life previously.

I can see both sides of this, blinkered I am not. Some on here should get off their high horse and try to see that there is still a long way to go with the older generation than they think.

[Christmas Lights]

Yeah because if John was a homophobic he'd really watch Shane J showing them how he tucks his little self away when he drags up :facepalm: . John wouldn't spend time or be near Shane J if he was prejudice. He was even patient with India.

Pretty sure most of the blokey blokes in the house will make jokes,Daniel & Jonny take the pee out of Courtney all the time and even laugh at the ridiculous showmance with Andrew.
And people accused Andrew of being Transphobe just because he called India a "prick", this over sensitive PC world is honestly a mess .

People like to throw "homophobic" around too easily. Surely that means Ann is as well then?? or maybe it's okay because she's a little old lady :joker: .Get real people :sleep: .

Didn't Daniel throw a gay slur at the girls??? . But I guess because he's a arsehole comedian it's okay.

[Garfie]

That is his right. He does not have to be.

You cannot make him

This is a free country

You will never convert anyone to your views by calling them names either.

Try some tolerance and you might get somewhere, bashing. People over the head with your views will not.

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

:facepalm::facepalm:

[poppsywoppsy]

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

:facepalm::facepalm:

I am not missing the point at all, good discussion BTW

So, in fact you are saying John has to be in the company of gay men who might proposition him, although he doesn't want to be because if he doesn't, he is homophobic.

[Christmas Lights]

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

:facepalm::facepalm:

So surely Andrew is transphobe then for calling India a "prick"? according to people's thoughts on here .
And Daniel is also HOMOPHOBIC for calling the girls "lesbians" as a joke ? .

And surely some of the hm's are sexist as they think men and women should have their stereotypical roles?.

People need to fight real prejudice and stop scrutinising jokes on a reality show :bored: .

[pontyboi]

What he said was not personal to anyone in the house. It was a general observation of his life previously.

I can see both sides of this, blinkered I am not. Some on here should get off their high horse and try to see that there is still a long way to go with the older generation than they think.

The older generation though? Johns generation was the evolution of gay people back in the 80's. Frankie goes to hollywood, boy George, george Michael, Rock Hudson.

He's just a product of his time and won't change...he thinks gays are wrong and he can put on a smile and pretend he's fine with it to a point but cmon uninviting someone to his house because he may have slept with someone of the same gender is ****ed up.

It's straight up homophobia.

It seems we have gone backwards in such issues as the 80's were far more open minded as were the 90's. Seems a shame that it was people just keeping up appearances.

[Christmas Lights]

The older generation though? Johns generation was the evolution of gay people back in the 80's. Frankie goes to hollywood, boy George, george Michael, Rock Hudson.

He's just a product of his time and won't change...he thinks gays are wrong and he can put on a smile and pretend he's fine with it to a point but cmon uninviting someone to his house because he may have slept with someone of the same gender is ****ed up.

It's straight up homophobia.

I didn't watch but I'm assuming John was joking,and maybe like a lot of us He's sick and tired of Andrew & Shane J's showmance .

Andrew is immature AF and maybe John can see through his BS ,so I doubt John would really want him at his party, it feels like people like to witch hunt and accuse others of prejudice too easily :bored: .

By that logic a few hm's have said sexist and daft comments.

What about Ann?? & Daniel??.

[Ant.]

Let's not act as if people haven't had an issue with Ann and Daniel

[Christmas Lights]

Let's not act as if people haven't had an issue with Ann and Daniel

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB :facepalm: .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives :suspect: .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

[poppsywoppsy]

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB :facepalm: .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives :suspect: .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

It's the blanket term "homophobic" which is the problem.

This covers the mildest comment/joke to the very serious beatings, assaults and rapes.

So when someone is accused of being homophobic, it is not specific as to how serious it was or was not.

When you say you dislike a Gay person, you are liable to be called homophobic, when you dislike the person, not their sexual choices.

[pontyboi]

I didn't watch but I'm assuming John was joking,and maybe like a lot of us He's sick and tired of Andrew & Shane J's showmance .

Andrew is immature AF and maybe John can see through his BS ,so I doubt John would really want him at his party, it feels like people like to witch hunt and accuse others of prejudice too easily :bored: .

By that logic a few hm's have said sexist and daft comments.

What about Ann?? & Daniel??.

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?

[Christmas Lights]

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?

Ok That's great but Andrew & Daniel were called transphobe & homophobe aswell ? surely that means yes they're prejudice aswell then? :notimpressed: .

Just seems like people are waiting to be offended, i feel like people overreact alot .

If the camera's were not there i bet Daniel ,Andrew & Jonny would be saying some slurs that would be considered "homophobic" .

Also there's alot of Hypocrisy , people slag Ann down for her views but she's zooming into the final .

And why do people keep ignoring obnoxious Jim Davidson who was offensive to everyone and yet he won CBB ? and people even support him . So why is his behaviour excused? . :suspect:.

[Christmas Lights]

It's the blanket term "homophobic" which is the problem.

This covers the mildest comment/joke to the very serious beatings, assaults and rapes.

So when someone is accused of being homophobic, it is not specific as to how serious it was or was not.

When you say you dislike a Gay person, you are liable to be called homophobic, when you dislike the person, not their sexual choices.


People enjoy throwing those words around e.g "homophobic" , "transphobic" . Ginuwine was called Transphobic by delusional India just because he didn't want to sleep with the daft bint , Andrew was also called transphobic for calling India a prick :facepalm: .

It's ridiculous and people look for any little thing to accuse people of being a bigot .

If John was so "homophobic" why did he sit with the other guys as they watched Shane J demonstrate his tuck to them . John has openly spoken with India when she was in the house . To me he doesn't come across prejudice.

I think he's fed up of Andrew's game playing and isn't interested in the silly bromance/showmance he's having for camera's with Shane J ,if he said he doesn't want anything to do with Ginwuine because of his and Ashley's showmance then people wouldn't bat an eye lid and would probably applause him.

But because it's a gay person and a gay for pay person people instantly like to play that card :sleep: . I don't know John's tone and i don't care .

But people need to remember everyone comes from different backgrounds ,cultures and religions that can give then a different angle on life but it doesn't necessarily mean they're nasty people .

Why don't we focus and call out actual HATEFUL people in this world that go out of their way to destroy lives and discriminate for their gender,sexuality,race & disability . People are fighting the wrong people here.

[poppsywoppsy]

:clap1:People enjoy throwing those words around e.g "homophobic" , "transphobic" . Ginuwine was called Transphobic by delusional India just because he didn't want to sleep with the daft bint , Andrew was also called transphobic for calling India a prick :facepalm: .

It's ridiculous and people look for any little thing to accuse people of being a bigot .

If John was so "homophobic" why did he sit with the other guys as they watched Shane J demonstrate his tuck to them . John has openly spoken with India when she was in the house . To me he doesn't come across prejudice.

I think he's fed up of Andrew's game playing and isn't interested in the silly bromance/showmance he's having for camera's with Shane J ,if he said he doesn't want anything to do with Ginwuine because of his and Ashley's showmance then people wouldn't bat an eye lid and would probably applause him.

But because it's a gay person and a gay for pay person people instantly like to play that card :sleep: . I don't know John's tone and i don't care .

But people need to remember everyone comes from different backgrounds ,cultures and religions that can give then a different angle on life but it doesn't necessarily mean they're nasty people .

Why don't we focus and call out actual HATEFUL people in this world that go out of their way to destroy lives and discriminate for their gender,sexuality,race & disability . People are fighting the wrong people here.

Thank you, you put it far more eloquently than I could.

[Christmas Lights]

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Thank you, you put it far more eloquently than I could.

Well i'm glad you agree :thumbs: .

And as silly as this sounds i wonder if Shane J/Courtney made offensive comments about Ginwune & Ashley and their sexuality would people care?? . They'd probably laugh and call him sassy and applaud him :sleep: .

[poppsywoppsy]

My take on things is of personal experience.

We offered on a property owned by two Gay men. They pulled out very near the exchange date, leaving us homeless as we had sold. We had to rent, they then said they would move and pulled out again. They wanted to do it again but we said No and bought elsewhere.

They had told us they got a lot of homophobic abuse because they were Gay, we were concerned about them.

However, after we moved elsewhere, our neighbours told us they had been doing this to them as well as us and we were not the only ones. So the homophobic abuse was not that but because they had upset a lot of people locally.

Our other neighbours were two lovely women partners who we were very friendly with and lived there for five years.

So, if we complained about those Gay men and their scams, they would call us homophobic.

This is why this term is so ill used at times by people who use it indiscriminately in any circumstance.

[Parmy]

Ok That's great but Andrew & Daniel were called transphobe & homophobe aswell ? surely that means yes they're prejudice aswell then? :notimpressed: .

Just seems like people are waiting to be offended, i feel like people overreact alot .

If the camera's were not there i bet Daniel ,Andrew & Jonny would be saying some slurs that would be considered "homophobic" .

Also there's alot of Hypocrisy , people slag Ann down for her views but she's zooming into the final .

And why do people keep ignoring obnoxious Jim Davidson who was offensive to everyone and yet he won CBB ? and people even support him . So why is his behaviour excused? . :suspect:.

Jim wasnt offensive to me.:nono:

[Withano]

"Hes old so hes incapable of change"

Wow pretty ageist 'poppsywoppsy'. Not all old people are ignorant ****whits, many are open to change and learning, and the fact that John isnt one of those people makes him a homophobic ****.

[Brillopad]

john suggesting that andrew is “out of his club” if he experiments with shane :umm2:

even if this was meant jokingly EJECT HA! RAT! SNAKE! SCUM!

What bull. He is is entitled to his opinion joking or otherwise.

[bots]

it may not have been the norm back in the day and for the record John is much younger than me, but people inherently know whats wrong and whats right when it comes to treating our fellow human beings with respect. So when laws are changed to reflect that respect it should make life more balanced and normal. That's why plenty "old folks" have no issues respecting new laws.

[Denver]

John has supported the gays in the past and if you watched his 1st episode he said nobody should ever be victimised so it was obviously a joke with no malice

[chuff me dizzy]

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB :facepalm: .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives :suspect: .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

:clap1: Why do folks always have to have a "Ism" ? John has HIS opinion and beliefs and he's entitled to it, it doesn't make him wrong

[Withano]

What bull. He is is entitled to his opinion joking or otherwise.

Would he be entitled to be sexist? Ableist?

[Brillopad]

Would he be entitled to be sexist? Ableist?

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

[reece(:]

John confirmed as scum then

[Brillopad]

John confirmed as scum then

Nope!

[chuff me dizzy]

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

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[Withano]

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

Answered like a true politician there

[Lilac hills]

What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

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What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

This, and also being 54 years old is no excuse for saying 'oh well it's my age and i was raised like that'. My uncle is nearly 60 and he has two gay sons that he treats just as equally as everyone else.

[Paula D]

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?I watched it and it was CLEARLY a joke.

It drives me mad that gay (Or indeed black) people think they're the only ones allowed make gay jokes.

Wayne a prime example last night. He's allowed mock himself but no-one else is because he's met the queen? Get a grip.

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[Paula D]

This, and also being 54 years old is no excuse for saying 'oh well it's my age and i was raised like that'. My uncle is nearly 60 and he has two gay sons that he treats just as equally as everyone else.When did John treat anyone unequally?

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[Brillopad]

What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

It could be said that Andrew is ‘drunk’ with the world he us currently living in. It could also be said that he has been ‘manipulated’ by the more worldly-wise Shane/Courtney. In that situation Andrew could do something he bitterly regrets and causes him a lot of heartache. That may or may not be the case - but what if it is. All some care about is entertainment. Others that may like Andrew and care about his welfare may just be trying to look out for him. Nothing wrong with that.

What John said was not homophobic just your narrow-minded interpretation. I would say such opinions are hetrophobic with some kind of agenda into forcing people into the same way of thinking. Not being gay is not a crime although I am increasingly getting the impression some would like it to be.

[Lilac hills]

It could be said that Andrew is ‘drunk’ with the world he us currently living in. It could also be said that he has been ‘manipulated’ by the more worldly-wise Shane/Courtney. In that situation Andrew could do something he bitterly regrets and causes him a lot of heartache. That may or may not be the case - but what if it is. All some care about is entertainment. Others that may like Andrew and care about his welfare may just be trying to look out for him. Nothing wrong with that.

What John said was not homophobic just your narrow-minded interpretation. I would say such opinions are hetrophobic with some kind of agenda into forcing people into the same way of thinking. Not being gay is not a crime although I am increasingly getting the impression some would like it to be.

Lol what’s narrow minded about ‘trying to defend a comment like “you can’t be in our group if you’re gay” is homophobic by definition? This isn’t any sjw sorta pc crap it’s literally what he’s saying, and he knew the implications of bc afterward he tried to excuse it with his age. Ik these ism and phobic words get overused but it is quite literally what he did, regardless of how much you hate Andrew. Considering he’s living with 3 homosexual people what he said is an issue.

If he meant it in a purely satirical way he would’ve just said ‘o I meant no Malice it was just a joke sryyy’ and tho I’d still take quarral with that he meant it with even the slightest amount of seriousness and that’s a problem

[Jamie89]

It's so dissappointing, it's attitudes like his that keep people in the closet and coming from a footballing background where that's such an issue, but also being seemingly open-minded/progressive (I thought) he should know better.

I really don't understand the "people should tolerate his intolerance" line of thinking... is that not a paradox? And how far back does that stretch, ie. could it not also be said that people should tolerate the intolerance of John's intolerance :laugh: just seems a bit silly to me. If people see what they perceive as intolerance it's perfectly fine for them to call it out/comment on it... doing so isn't an act of intolerance in the slightest.

[odd sock]

[QUOTE=Garfie;9807938]More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standards

[Paula D]

[QUOTE=Garfie;9807938]More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standardsThat's a fair point.

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When did John treat anyone unequally?

'Andrew if you do that, you're not in my club! :hee: '