Thoughts on John Barnes following last night?

[Matthew.]

What do you think of him now?

Poll incoming!

[Lilac hills]

When the only screentime u get the whole season is homophobic :hehe::hehe::bawling:

[Gusto Brunt]

His opinion. He must answer to it. :)

[Oliver_W]

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[Lilac hills]

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Queen Blaire

[Nicky91]

he can just have his own opinion

[rusticgal]

For someone who speaks out about racism is n football...his remarks were uncalled for.
He is a prat....and it was only a matter of time before he dropped a bombshell. I

[Saph]

idk I didnt see it but hes boring af EJECT HA

[reece(:]

Tragique

[Oliver_W]

Queen Blaire

Trap Kween

[RileyH]

I want him to be evicted to loud boos

[Garfie]

He's been boring up til now and I wish he'd gone on Friday rather than Rachel. After last night, I dislike him and just want rid of him.

[Northern Monkey]

He’s allowed his opinion.
Atleast he opened up a conversation.Always good to try and break down barriers between the straights and the gays.
Shane J was mature about it and Barnsey explained himself well.

[Jøsh]

what happened?

[Epic.]

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

[montblanc]

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

i was just thinking about Winston yesterday he was a scream :joker::joker:

[Lilac hills]

Why do people keep saying he’s allowed his opinion btw. That’s not what’s being debated everyone is allowed to think as they wish ofc it’s not like they will drop dead by some divine everytime they say smth controversial, it’s the implications and intricacies of what he said that are being tackled here. It’s a mindset that a community of people that were oppressed for the longest time have been fighting to abolish for years, and the fact that there are powerful and influential people who still hold these mindsets is really a detriment to this community and it’s work for freedom

It’s not as black and white as ‘free speech duh huh’ open ur mind pplz

[Morgan.]

what happened?

He said if Andrew got with Courtney/Shane J in a romance way then he would be 'out of his club' and couldn't meet up with him for drinks on the outside like promised.

[MTVN]

I think his explanation was pretty lousy, just saying that's how he thinks even though he knows it's wrong basically saying he's comfortable having a homophobic attitude and has no interest in changing that. I was quite liking him but that will have done him a lot of damage

[jaxie]

I don't think I'd call him homophobic based on what I saw of that conversation though he very well might be. I'd say he was being fairly honest about straight men feeling insecure about gay men which is a fact, some do.

Does feeling uncertain about something different make you against it or opposed to it? I don't know if its as simple as that.

[T*]

Nicky CANCELLED

[jaxie]

He said if Andrew got with Courtney/Shane J in a romance way then he would be 'out of his club' and couldn't meet up with him for drinks on the outside like promised.

I didn't hear him say that part. :shrug: I just heard him explaining something about being uncomfortable with the idea a man might fancy him personally.

[MTVN]

I didn't hear him say that part. :shrug: I just heard him explaining something about being uncomfortable with the idea a man might fancy him personally.

That was afterwards when Shane confronted him. Before that he said Andrew would be out the club and he'd cancel the meet up that they had planned

[jaxie]

That was afterwards when Shane confronted him. Before that he said Andrew would be out the club and he'd cancel the meet up that they had planned

Oh I didn't see that bit. In that case I think he was very wrong. What Andrew and Shane J do sexually or romantically is none of his business and it shouldn't have any bearing on being part of a friendly social occasion with them.

[BBUK-Fan]

he can just have his own opinion

This is true, Ann has her opinions, Jonny has his opinions, Amanda has her opinions.... etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions

[chuff me dizzy]

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's

[Epic.]

This is true, Ann has her opinions, Jonny has his opinions, Amanda has her opinions.... etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions

I think you're just trying to come up with any excuse for him simply because you've been a fan of him and you dont want it to look like you've changed your mind. There's having an opinion and then there's just being intolerant.

i was just thinking about Winston yesterday he was a scream :joker::joker:

'I WaNt a HOUSE MEETING'

[JerseyWins]

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much? :joker:

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much
Yeah but the hurtfulness of each person's comments/beliefs are also on different levels.

[RileyH]

He’s allowed an opinion guys, calm down!
BBUK-Fan, chuff me dizzy, Gusto Brunt, Nicky91, Northern Monkey

Anyone complaining needs to have a check on themselves!
Nicky91

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[BBUK-Fan]

I think you're just trying to come up with any excuse for him simply because you've been a fan of him and you dont want it to look like you've changed your mind. There's having an opinion and then there's just being intolerant.



'I WaNt a HOUSE MEETING'

I haven't changed my mind, don't pretend you know me.

So far all series, people have said the housemates are entitled to an opinion. Ann has said things and everyone forgets about. This though however, everyone isn't happy about even though Ann has said things but they are forgotten.
Think it's a bit of favouritism over who's entitled to the opinion and who's is wrong

[BBUK-Fan]

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's
Yep

[Garfie]

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much? :joker:




So true.

[Bones]

Legend!

[Patricia4]

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

[chuff me dizzy]

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

Not on here he's not Patricia :nono:

[GoldHeart]

This is true, Ann has her opinions, Jonny has his opinions, Amanda has her opinions.... etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions

I guarantee John is going to bear the brunt of Ann's opinions & Daniel's :bored: .

People are soo fickle, it was literally a few hours ago they were saying how nice John is and now they're slagging him down like he talked about beating People up or something :facepalm: .

It's funny how Daniel can call women "lesbians" as a joke and not get as big a backlash.
I bet any money if Jonny,Daniel & Andrew were down the pub /in a bar somewhere drinking all 3 would be "joking" and saying homophobic slurs :whistle: .

But because people fancy jonny & Andrew they don't think about it . And they just see Daniel as a daft rubbish comedian.

[Jamie89]

Judging someone based on their opinion isn't the same as saying he can't have an opinion. We all judge HM's all the time on BB based on the things they say and the views they hold, this is no different?

To answer the OP, he's cancelled!

[Robodog]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

[GoldHeart]

Judging someone based on their opinion isn't the same as saying he can't have an opinion. We all judge HM's all the time on BB based on the things they say and the views they hold, this is no different?

To answer the OP, he's cancelled!

Well he'll probably get the backdoor exit in tonight/tomorrow twist. So people can enjoy their fickle ways and rejoice at his peril :bored: .

People ignore Daniel's vulgar behavior and Ann's opinions .

[chuff me dizzy]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

A very grown up comment :clap1:

[Cherie]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Good post

[Jamie89]

Well he'll probably get the backdoor exit in tonight/tomorrow twist. So people can enjoy their fickle ways and rejoice at his peril :bored: .

People ignore Daniel's vulgar behavior and Ann's opinions .

I don't think Daniel/Ann have been ignored, it's just different situations. Many have criticised both of them, and had either of them said what John said I'm sure people would react to them much in the same way they're reacting to John :shrug:

[Epic.]

I haven't changed my mind, don't pretend you know me.

So far all series, people have said the housemates are entitled to an opinion. Ann has said things and everyone forgets about. This though however, everyone isn't happy about even though Ann has said things but they are forgotten.
Think it's a bit of favouritism over who's entitled to the opinion and who's is wrong

Never said I know you did I? All I did was speculate since it's a bit coincidental that you'd defend him being homophobic as 'having an opinion' when you normally hate almost every single time a housemate says something controversial, that's all.

And I don't think anyone has forgotten about what Ann's said. I definitely haven't, nor do I condone any of what she says. She's moreso a big character and entertaining housemate regardless of how much I'd enjoy living with her, whereas John seems stuck in his ways and ignorant, but also a stale and non-contributory housemate.

[GoldHeart]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Very mature and intelligent comment :clap1:

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" :bored: .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[Beso]

Very mature and intelligent comment :clap1:

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" :bored: .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

:laugh3:

[chuff me dizzy]

Very mature and intelligent comment :clap1:

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" :bored: .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

:clap1:

[thisisdanny]

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

[Lilac hills]

Very mature and intelligent comment :clap1:

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" :bored: .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

While I do agree there is a bit of a witch hunt mentally around things like this, of which I’m personally not fond of, it doesn’t take away that the crux of what he said heavily implies homophobia, and from the way he acted after Shane j contronfted him I don’t believe it was satirical. We’re debating the implications of his comment, not him, of which is defended by the same free speech argument people excusing John are using.

I don’t see how anyone is hypocritical for callling out homophobia, and yes sure changing an opinion on a housemate so severely in such a short period of a time might appeal fickle, but I fail to see how it isn’t warranted in this case, especially since the mouth where it came from has campaigned about prejudice regarding race and other things in football.

[Epic.]

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

'No he's gonna get excited and his blood pressure's gonna go up, let's not start the geeza' off https://i.imgur.com/9TVhmwL.png '

[GoldHeart]

While I do agree there is a bit of a witch hunt mentally around things like this, of which I’m personally not fond of, it doesn’t take away that the crux of what he said heavily implies homophobia, and from the way he acted after Shane j contronfted him I don’t believe it was satirical. We’re debating the implications of his comment, not him, of which is defended by the same free speech argument people excusing John are using.

I don’t see how anyone is hypocritical for callling out homophobia, and yes sure changing an opinion on a housemate so severely in such a short period of a time might appeal fickle, but I fail to see how it isn’t warranted in this case, especially since the mouth where it came from has campaigned about prejudice regarding race and other things in football.

It's hypocritical because people like Jim Davidson won CBB and he's a vile sack of vomit who's offensive to everyone :bored: .

I'm not saying everyone one liked Davidson,but it's just messed up .
And I bet if Shane J made a comment about Ashley & Ginuwine and their heterosexual behavior , people would laugh it off .

Shane J gets away with sexual vulgar talk as well.

Ann has different views but she's still popular,and didn't Daniel make a joke slur to the girls?? .

I just get fed up when people throw insults around like"homophobic" & "transphobic" , this is why everyone is soo PC to the point where they walk on eggshells.

India got more patience than she deserved yet Ginuwine & Andrew still got accused of being "transphobic" :facepalm:.

Why don't people Google homophobia and the word hate to understand what it actually means. the hm's wouldn't of given India the time of day if they were prejudice and if John or anyone was discriminating Shane J I'm pretty sure we'd know about it .


Everyone has different views and come from different backgrounds but they can still be friends.


Fight the real fight ,and stop nit picking something a masculine bloke has said when all the typical lads in there have probably said stuff :nono:.

[poppsywoppsy]

It's hypocritical because people like Jim Davidson won CBB and he's a vile sack of vomit who's offensive to everyone :bored: .

I'm not saying everyone one liked Davidson,but it's just messed up .
And I bet if Shane J made a comment about Ashley & Ginuwine and their heterosexual behavior , people would laugh it off .

Shane J gets away with sexual vulgar talk as well.

Ann has different views but she's still popular,and didn't Daniel make a joke slur to the girls?? .

I just get fed up when people throw insults around like"homophobic" & "transphobic" , this is why everyone is soo PC to the point where they walk on eggshells.

India got more patience be than she deserved yet Ginuwine & Andrew still got accused of being "transphobic" :facepalm:.

Why don't people Google homophobia and the word hate to understand what it actually means. the hm's wouldn't of given India the time of day if they were prejudice and if John or anyone was discriminating Shane J I'm pretty sure we'd know about it .


Everyone has different views and come from different backgrounds but they can still be friends.


Fight the real fight ,and stop nit picking something a masculine bloke has said when all the typical lads in there have probably said stuff :nono:.

Conditioning in early life is hard to overcome especially when you have the Pc brigade snapping at every imagined slight even if it wasn't meant that way.

Those not brought up in this culture or thinking have little or no understanding how intrinsic it was to follow the strict line or else, in their younger days.

So, not everyone is this way, well maybe they were brought up more liberally or are better educated, it is, as I said early conditioning.

No one has to like or agree with anyone else but some feel that bandying these labels about somehow give them a moral superiority over others. Not in my book, as long as no one oversteps the mark in any way, people's thoughts and views are their own business and for them to deal with, no one else.

[GoldHeart]

Conditioning in early life is hard to overcome especially when you have the Pc brigade snapping at every imagined slight even if it wasn't meant that way.

Those not brought up in this culture or thinking have little or no understanding how intrinsic it was to follow the strict line or else, in their younger days.

So, not everyone is this way, well maybe they were brought up more liberally or are better educated, it is, as I said early conditioning.

No one has to like or agree with anyone else but some feel that bandying these labels about somehow give them a moral superiority over others. Not in my book, as long as no one oversteps the mark in any way, people's thoughts and views are their own business and for them to deal with, no one else.

Exactly :clap1:

It's like when people read too much into things and play the race card as well.

By all means call people out if hate and discrimination is there of gender, sexuality , disability & race .

But yeah it feels like people enjoy putting others down who have a difference of opinion to the point where it's like a angry mob :facepalm:.

For e.g I wonder how people would feel if Karl Pilkington was in BB ,he says some funny ignorant things but it's not coming from a malicious place . And some of what he says is funny and people like him.

But he says some silly things which just make us laugh but other stuff we agree on :joker:.

[Lilac hills]

It's hypocritical because people like Jim Davidson won CBB and he's a vile sack of vomit who's offensive to everyone :bored: .

I'm not saying everyone one liked Davidson,but it's just messed up .
And I bet if Shane J made a comment about Ashley & Ginuwine and their heterosexual behavior , people would laugh it off .

Shane J gets away with sexual vulgar talk as well.

Ann has different views but she's still popular,and didn't Daniel make a joke slur to the girls?? .

I just get fed up when people throw insults around like"homophobic" & "transphobic" , this is why everyone is soo PC to the point where they walk on eggshells.

India got more patience than she deserved yet Ginuwine & Andrew still got accused of being "transphobic" :facepalm:.

Why don't people Google homophobia and the word hate to understand what it actually means. the hm's wouldn't of given India the time of day if they were prejudice and if John or anyone was discriminating Shane J I'm pretty sure we'd know about it .


Everyone has different views and come from different backgrounds but they can still be friends.


Fight the real fight ,and stop nit picking something a masculine bloke has said when all the typical lads in there have probably said stuff :nono:.

Ok so like I’m p sure a lot of people disagreed with ann’s Take on marriage equality, including myself, and like a lot of people agree Daniel is vile.

Also I absolutely agree people should be tackling actual, horrendous discrimination and what John said isn’t really on the level, but realise we’re here on the big brother forum so me speaking about other, more serious incidents isn’t relevant to the house. I’m tackling what is happening in this show right now.

I also agree with the sentiment that if Shane said something hetrophobic there wouldn’t be a backlash, which does kinda bother me.

I’m just tackling what’s in front of me, right now. The implications of what he said are detrimental to the homosexual community. The fact that such views can be excused because of age, despite the fact the individual is fully aware, bothered me. Especially since I’ve experienced things like this in real life. My very religious grandparents don’t accept my sexuality purely because of it. This mentality is alive and well and has probably caused a lot of pain for people all across the world, and it’s now a mentality that is being broadcasted to the nation via someone who is considered a ‘legend’, who has also been an ambassador for anti discrimination in his profession.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope he wasn't talking about the knitting club

[GoldHeart]

Ok so like I’m p sure a lot of people disagreed with ann’s Take on marriage equality, including myself, and like a lot of people agree Daniel is vile.

Also I absolutely agree people should be tackling actual, horrendous discrimination and what John said isn’t really on the level, but realise we’re here on the big brother forum so me speaking about other, more serious incidents isn’t relevant to the house. I’m tackling what is happening in this show right now.

I also agree with the sentiment that if Shane said something hetrophobic there wouldn’t be a backlash, which does kinda bother me.

I’m just tackling what’s in front of me, right now. The implications of what he said are detrimental to the homosexual community. The fact that such views can be excused because of age, despite the fact the individual is fully aware, bothered me. Especially since I’ve experienced things like this in real life. My very religious grandparents don’t accept my sexuality purely because of it. This mentality is alive and well and has probably caused a lot of pain for people all across the world, and it’s now a mentality that is being broadcasted to the nation via someone who is considered a ‘legend’, who has also been an ambassador for anti discrimination in his profession.

You're still missing the point :facepalm: . Jim Davidson was obnoxious beyond belief yet still won CBB or should he be applauded because he managed to stop himself from using the F word towards gays or N word towards black people?? :facepalm:.

He even made Brian Dowling cried on Hells Kitchen by goading him and referring to gay people as " shirt lifters" :bored: .


Tiffany Pollard had a big following and happily kicked out the ukip guy but her own mother has strong views on homosexuality which you'd be upset by .

So there's some inconsistencies .
John wasn't being malicious ,he gets on with most people in the house.

I'm glad you agree with me though on points I've made,and I sort of see where you're coming from but I think people overreact.

[Jake.]

Scum, and I say that with no regret...

Scum, scum, scum

[smudgie]

He’s allowed his opinion.
Atleast he opened up a conversation.Always good to try and break down barriers between the straights and the gays.
Shane J was mature about it and Barnsey explained himself well.

This to be honest.

[empire]

most of the outrage is from women and young girls, what females need to understand is that football is a masculine sport, and years and years ago gay footballers could not tell there teammates, but in the last 17-18 years, they can with ease, there teammates have never had a problem with it, and gay footballers have returned acceptance in not crossing a line or a boundary in the room, and what john said was fair in what the game was in his time as what the game is now, what people have misread is that he did not say if the footballer is gay then kick him out of the club, what he really said was if a gay footballer crosses the line in the room then kick him out of the club, which is fair and reasonable, and shane know's that John said a very fair thing, if shane said I dress up like a woman to attract straight men, that would make many straight guys feel uncomfortable, and I as a straight bloke, that would make me feel uncomfortable, because it crosses a line, some things should never be forced on people if they don't like it.

[Matthew.]

I just want to have an opinion without being attacked…

John said that he was brought up to believe that being gay was a bad thing. John was born in 1963. Homosexuality became legal in 1967 I think.

I think that what John meant was that he still has a memory in his head of this perception. In his VT, he said that he was against all forms of discrimination, including homophobia.

I was born in 1992, and I remember being told at primary school by a teacher that “if a boy’s favourite colour is pink, there is something wrong with him” (I would say that this would by around 2000) going home and saying this to my maw and she told me to ignore what she said. I have grown up to be a teaching assistant myself and the kids are taught that love is love, regardless of sexuality. The one thing that grates on me rn is people comparing John Barnes to Winston McKenzie and in some cases saying that Winston is better. That is extreme.

[GoldHeart]

I just want to have an opinion without being attacked…

John said that he was brought up to believe that being gay was a bad thing. John was born in 1963. Homosexuality became legal in 1967 I think.

I think that what John meant was that he still has a memory in his head of this perception. In his VT, he said that he was against all forms of discrimination, including homophobia.

I was born in 1992, and I remember being told at primary school by a teacher that “if a boy’s favourite colour is pink, there is something wrong with him” (I would say that this would by around 2000) going home and saying this to my maw and she told me to ignore what she said. I have grown up to be a teaching assistant myself and the kids are taught that love is love, regardless of sexuality. The one thing that grates on me rn is people comparing John Barnes to Winston McKenzie and in some cases saying that Winston is better. That is extreme.

:clap1:
If you look above you'll see I've said my thoughts on the matter.

What you've said might seem trivial about the colour pink but it's funny I actually remember as a kid a new class student joined my school, and we all asked him questions to break the ice and when asked his favorite colour he said "pink" and there was a wave of laughter in class :rolleyes: .

And he was definitely embarrassed and I think he changed his mind and picked another colour. There's always been that gender stereotype of girls liking girly pink stuff, and boys liking manly stuff and the colour blue.

That UKIP guy was ignorant beyond belief and he was like another Jim Davidson ,the things he said was stupid and offensive. John is nothing like him , people are warped if they think they can ever compare the 2 :shocked: :facepalm:.

[caprimint]

I think he's homophobic but he's trying to hide it because he's on the show

[GoldHeart]

I think he's homophobic but he's trying to hide it because he's on the show

Okay then surely Amir Khan is as well for all the tweets he's written? :hee: .
It can't be 1 rule for 1 and another for your favorite :whistle:.

[caprimint]

Okay then surely Amir Khan is as well for all the tweets he's written? :hee: .
It can't be 1 rule for 1 and another for your favorite :whistle:.
Why is Amir Khan relevant to this conversation? :unsure:

I don't care about tweets, I'm judging on what I see

[GoldHeart]

Why is Amir Khan relevant to this conversation? :unsure:

I don't care about tweets, I'm judging on what I see

John still ISN'T homophobic :hee:, well we can all judge everything people do :facepalm:. Maybe Google what it means before throwing that word around. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon.

There's was a witch Hunt mentality when silly tweets from Rebecca Vardy & Amir Khan came out . And I wasn't interested in what they tweeted . But I'm only bringing it up as IT IS relevant if you support him, yet are against John it's still double standards.

[thisisdanny]

Eject him now

[caprimint]

John still ISN'T homophobic :hee:, well we can all judge everything people do :facepalm:. Maybe Google what it means before throwing that word around. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon.

There's was a witch Hunt mentality when silly tweets from Rebecca Vardy & Amir Khan came out . And I wasn't interested in what they tweeted . But I'm only bringing it up as IT IS relevant if you support him, yet are against John it's still double standards.
Lol what exactly are you basing that on? If somebody displays what I think has homophobic underlying tendencies then I'll call it out. Just the same as you don't think. It's a difference of opinion, why are you so defensive of him?

I watched Amir on IAC and never did I see any signs of homophobia :shrug: We're discussing John anyway, there is no need to bring up another person because it is completely irrelevant as much as you're trying to make me look hypocritical or something, it doesn't make John look any better.

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Lol what exactly are you basing that on? If somebody displays what I think has homophobic underlying tendencies then I'll call it out. Just the same as you don't think. It's a difference of opinion, why are you so defensive of him?

I watched Amir on IAC and never did I see any signs of homophobia :shrug: We're discussing John anyway, there is no need to bring up another person because it is completely irrelevant as much as you're trying to make me look hypocritical or something, it doesn't make John look any better.

People cry prejudice too easily, by your logic then surely Ann is homophobic?? And so is Daniel for making a joke slur at the girls?? :sleep:.

I'm bringing up Amir because it's an example of how the witch Hunt mentality is strong when any thing is found out about a celebrity, or when they have difference of opinion it's used against them.

There's been worst things said in BB history, Katie Hopkins & Jim Davidson are both vile people but still had big followings.

India was given patience and understanding and threw it back in her hm's faces :bored: . And enjoyed playing the "trans card' .

I don't agree with you anyway.