Sexual harassment for charity

[Vicky.]

Surprised theres not a thread on this already..just been reading this disgusting report from a man only fundraiser. Women told to wear matching underwear, asked to take knickers off and dance on tables, having dicks exposed to them...its all just vile.

https://amp.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5?__twitter_impression=true

Financial times managed to get two undercover reporters in. I actually felt sick reading this article, and thats not an exaggeration.

At their initial interviews, women were warned by Ms Dandridge that the men in attendance might be “annoying” or try to get the hostesses “pissed”. One hostess was advised to lie to her boyfriend about the fact it was a male-only event. “Tell him it’s a charity dinner,” she was told.

“It’s a Marmite job. Some girls love it, and for other girls it’s the worst job of their life and they will never do it again . . . You just have to put up with the annoying men and if you can do that it’s fine,” Ms Dandridge told the hostess.

Two days before the event, Ms Dandridge told prospective hostesses by email that their phones would be “safely locked away” for the evening and that boyfriends and girlfriends were not welcome at the venue.

The uniform requirements also became more detailed: all hostesses should bring “BLACK sexy shoes”, black underwear, and do their hair and make-up as they would to go to a “smart sexy place”. Dresses and belts would be supplied on the day.

For those who met the three specific selection criteria (“tall, thin and pretty”) a job paying £150, plus £25 for a taxi home, began at 4pm.

But the auction offers a hint of the evening’s seedier side. Lots included a night at Soho’s Windmill strip club and a course of plastic surgery with the invitation to: “Add spice to your wife.”

A number of men stood with the hostesses while waiting for smoked salmon starters to arrive. Others remained seated and yet insisted on holding the hands of their hostesses.

It was unclear why men, seated at their tables with hostesses standing close by, felt the need to hold the hands of the women, but numerous hostesses discussed instances of it through the night. For some, this was a prelude to pulling the women into their laps. Meanwhile champagne, whisky and vodka were served.

On stage, entertainers came and went. It was soon after a troupe of burlesque dancers — dressed like furry-hatted Coldstream Guards, but with star-shaped stickers hiding nipples — that one 19-year-old hostess, recounted a conversation with a guest nearing his seventies: who had asked her, directly, whether she was a prostitute. She was not. “I’ve never done this before, and I’m never doing it again,” she said later. “It’s *******ing scary.”

According to the accounts of multiple women working that night, groping and similar abuse was seen across many of the tables in the room.

Another woman, 28, with experience of hostess work, observing the braying men around her said this was significantly different to previous black tie jobs. At other events, men occasionally would try to flirt with her, she said, but she had never felt uncomfortable or, indeed, frightened.

She reported being repeatedly fondled on her bottom, hips, stomach and legs. One guest lunged at her to kiss her. Another invited her upstairs to his room.

Meanwhile, Artista had an enforcement team, made up of suited women and men, who would tour the ballroom, prodding less active hostesses to interact with dinner guests.

Outside the women’s toilets a monitoring system was in place: women who spent too long were called out and led back to the ballroom. A security guard at the door was on hand, keeping time.

Timed toilet breaks ffs...

“You look far too sober,” he told her. Filling her glass with champagne, he grabbed her by the waist, pulled her in against his stomach and declared: “I want you to down that glass, rip off your knickers and dance on that table.”

[arista]

"Surprised theirs not a thread on this already."


Sorry was going to do one.
Parliament got involved fast right after Live PMQ's.
https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/fFCiVTH7TZyMSVlWq0bA_FT.JPG



Its a Charity event
Mostly Rich Men only who ask the sexy women to their room.



FT women
got the scoop.


Every charity must be transparent
House of lords said some time ago.


That event was making women into to High class hookers

[Cherie]

I heard the reporter interviewed about this earlier, GOSH have returned their donation, I presume others will follow suit

[Northern Monkey]

Can they not hire real hookers for this.Duping unsuspecting women into something like that’s disgraceful really.

[Vicky.]

I heard the reporter interviewed about this earlier, GOSH have returned their donation, I presume others will follow suit

Yes, this has gone on for 33 years too apparently. And the seedy side of it all has stayed well hidden it seems. Good on the FT for running this. I am disgusted by the behavior of so many men at that event But its not surprising, sadly.

[Niamh.]

:worry:

Why did they stay there? I'd be straight out the door

[Vicky.]

Can they not hire real hookers for this.Duping unsuspecting women into something like that’s disgraceful really.

Paid 150 quid for doing 4pm til 2am. 15 quid an hour to be groped and objectified. Its ridiculous. If they wanted prostitutes, get ****ing prostitutes. Do not take advantage of college kids who need a bit of quick cash and think they are basically waitressing. Though the warnings signs were surely there when being told their uniform included matching underwear. All just gross :(

[arista]

Can they not hire real hookers for this.Duping unsuspecting women into something like that’s disgraceful really.


Maybe if they were not a CHARITY EVENT...................


Rich men
have upstairs hotel rooms


Sign Of The Times

[Northern Monkey]

Paid 150 quid for doing 4pm til 2am. Its ridiculous. If they wanted prostitutes, get ****ing prostitutes. Do not take advantage of college kids who need a bit of quick cash and think they are basically waitressing. Though the warnings signs were surely there when being told their uniform included matching underwear. All just gross :(

Totally agree.It’s f’king dumb too in post Weinstein times.There’s gonna be a few more #metoo’s added after that.

[Cherie]

:worry:

Why did they stay there? I'd be straight out the door

They wouldn't be paid, also there was a period of time between when the "hostessing" stopped and an after party finished when they were required to stay :worry:

[user104658]

It's gross that so many of these blokes find the event an appealing prospect... and also horrendous that they'd dupe people into taking the job without outlining exactly what is going to be involved.

Beyond that... if they were to describe to job accurately and people were still willing to take it... then that's really a choice that any adult is free to make :shrug:.

[Northern Monkey]

I wonder if the hospital is going to return 33 years worth of donations?

[Niamh.]

They wouldn't be paid, also there was a period of time between when the "hostessing" stopped and an after party finished when they were required to stay :worry:

Yeah i guess so, I suppose it's easy for me to say that now as well at my age, when you're that young it's harder I think to know what is and isn't normal and acceptable behavior

[Vicky.]

I wonder if the hospital is going to return 33 years worth of donations?

I don't think they can..apparently they returned 2m this time. 33 years...66m..a lot to come up with :/

[arista]

:worry:

Why did they stay there? I'd be straight out the door


Its Normal with Men Only , Rich Men.
Hotel above the event
that's why the FT Paper
2 Lady reporters got the given Special Knickers on.

Its been on every Media
LBC /R5/R4 SkyNewsHD, BBCnewsHD
CNN HD Live AM
and tonight on Ch4HD news.

[Cherie]

Yeah i guess so, I suppose it's easy for me to say that now as well at my age, when you're that young it's harder I think to know what is and isn't normal and acceptable behavior

That said I am not sure I would have gone in the first place given the "dress code" which included heels and black underwear :umm2:

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think they can..apparently they returned 2m this time. 33 years...66m..a lot to come up with :/

They’ll probably deny all knowledge of the things that’ve gone on there

[arista]

I wonder if the hospital is going to return 33 years worth of donations?


Yes Tricky for the Hospital that needs every penny.

[Vicky.]

They’ll probably deny all knowledge of the things that’ve gone on there

I don't actually see why the charity should return the donations if I am honest. The money has still been raised, however dubiously so it might aswell be put to good use this time. I can see why they would want to distance themselves from this **** show though.

[arista]

This is why so many Charity's
refuse to be Transparent

[arista]

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[user104658]

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Which one is you arista?

[arista]

Which one is you arista?


I was not at that Hotel event.

Charity Selling Sex ("some" of the female workers)
in a way
is now a Parliament issue.

[hijaxers]

Yes, this has gone on for 33 years too apparently. And the seedy side of it all has stayed well hidden it seems. Good on the FT for running this. I am disgusted by the behavior of so many men at that event But its not surprising, sadly.

I hope all their wives and daughters find out what sleaze bags they live with.

[user104658]

I hope all their wives and daughters find out what sleaze bags they live with.

I would be very, very surprised if they don't already know.

[arista]

[Great Ormond Street Hospital to
return all Presidents Club donations
An all-male dinner is branded
a "lady zoo" after reports
staff were groped, sexually harassed and propositioned.]

https://news.sky.com/story/great-ormond-street-hospital-to-return-all-presidents-club-donations-11220643

[arista]

I heard the reporter interviewed about this earlier, GOSH have returned their donation, I presume others will follow suit


Yes Cherie it has started


[Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) has said it will return
all previous donations from the Presidents Club after allegations of sexual harassment at a fundraiser.
The charity intervened after claims female staff at a "male-only" dinner held at the Dorchester ]

[AnnieK]

I'd like to say I was surprised that things like this happen but I am sure there are plenty of other similar events regularly that we don't hear about.

[Livia]

I kind of pity men who have to take part in something so degrading. Maybe they have miserable, hen-pecked little lives. I really ****ing hope so. How great that the whole seedy thing has been dragged into the daylight.

[arista]

That Hotel Club is to Close.

[Presidents Club to scrap further events and
close after 'slimeball' scandal
The charitable organisation is to shut down
following allegations female workers were
groped at a secretive charity dinner.]

https://news.sky.com/story/presidents-club-scrap-further-events-after-london-dinner-scandal-11221068

[Kazanne]

I just wonder why any woman would do it? no amount of money would tempt me to indulge in something I was against or found seedy, the men are awful but I cant help but think if the women didn't do it they couldn't carry it on,or have I got it all wrong:shrug:

[Niamh.]

I just wonder why any woman would do it? no amount of money would tempt me to indulge in something I was against or found seedy, the men are awful but I cant help but think if the women didn't do it they couldn't carry it on,or have I got it all wrong:shrug:Blaming the women for being groped bloody hell

[Marsh.]

Can I ask, how is it sexual harassment if the women are willingly putting themselves forward for this?

[Brillopad]

I just wonder why any woman would do it? no amount of money would tempt me to indulge in something I was against or found seedy, the men are awful but I cant help but think if the women didn't do it they couldn't carry it on,or have I got it all wrong:shrug:

The men create the situation but unfortunately too many women go along with it for whatever reason. It is hard to imagine in this situation they had no voice.

[Niamh.]

Can I ask, how is it sexual harassment if the women are willingly putting themselves forward for this?Well it doesn't say groping was part of the job

[Marsh.]

Well it doesn't say groping was part of the job

I haven't read the full thing, but in the OP it says the women are told what is expected of them beforehand? :think:

If not, why haven't they left and informed the police? :worry:

[Niamh.]

I haven't read the full thing, but in the OP it says the women are told what is expected of them beforehand? :think:

If not, why haven't they left and informed the police? :worry:

Besides the matching underwear part (which is a bit of an odd ask, granted) the other things listed are what they were asked to do when they got there by the guests, not what it said in the job description

[joeysteele]

This is why so many Charity's
refuse to be Transparent

You are right.

[Livia]

I just wonder why any woman would do it? no amount of money would tempt me to indulge in something I was against or found seedy, the men are awful but I cant help but think if the women didn't do it they couldn't carry it on,or have I got it all wrong:shrug:

The women were hired as hostesses, I'm not sure if I was hired as a hostess I'd be expecting to have my arse felt. I think once they were there, there was a pressure on them, they'd been paid (although not much in real terms) so there was a kind of contract. I imagine the girls were young... it must have been a scary experience. . If it was me you and Niamh, we'd have torn several of them them a new arsehole, I'm sure. But they were young girls out of their depth. And I'm sure a lot of the tossers that were there that night have daughters around the same age.

[user104658]

And I'm sure a lot of the tossers that were there that night have daughters around the same age.

Not only that; they'd probably go nuclear if someone their age acted that way towards their daughter. Huge double standard there.

[Livia]

Not only that; they'd probably go nuclear if someone their age acted that way towards their daughter. Huge double standard there.

It mystifies me how people can be at peace with that kind of double standard.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bit like what women can get like on hen doos i guess

:idc:

[Niamh.]

Bit like what women can get like on hen doos i guess

:idc:

Not on any I've been to

[user104658]

Bit like what women can get like on hen doos i guess

:idc:

Some of them, yes, but that doesn't excuse these men doing it :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

Some of them, yes, but that doesn't excuse these men doing it :shrug:.

Clearly it does in LTs world :/

[Livia]

Bit like what women can get like on hen doos i guess

:idc:

I bet a lot of men think that. Until their young daughter gets an offer of a cash in hand job and a taxi home. Then it would be a problem.

[DemolitionRed]

Besides the matching underwear part (which is a bit of an odd ask, granted) the other things listed are what they were asked to do when they got there by the guests, not what it said in the job description

If I knew I was going to be given a black dress to wear, I would assume I needed dark underwear which wouldn't show through. If any asked, I suspect they were given that as a reason and it could of been a very valid reason.

It was clearly a night of sexual provocation and lewdness; why else would it be a men only event with only young slim scantily clad females. The company that employed these women need taking to task.

As for the men who attended, they probably did believe these women to be high class escorts. I'm sure though, some of those men were there solely for the charity event and didn't have any interaction with a girl in a black dress.

[DemolitionRed]

Encouraging the female hostesses to drink alcohol was so wrong.

[Niamh.]

If I knew I was going to be given a black dress to wear, I would assume I needed dark underwear which wouldn't show through. If any asked, I suspect they were given that as a reason and it could of been a very valid reason.

It was clearly a night of sexual provocation and lewdness; why else would it be a men only event with only young slim scantily clad females. The company that employed these women need taking to task.

As for the men who attended, they probably did believe these women to be high class escorts. I'm sure though, some of those men were there solely for the charity event and didn't have any interaction with a girl in a black dress.

Yeah that's true actually

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some of them, yes, but that doesn't excuse these men doing it :shrug:.

and lucky i did not say it did or think it, unlike you and a few others


:idc:

[Vicky.]

If I knew I was going to be given a black dress to wear, I would assume I needed dark underwear which wouldn't show through. If any asked, I suspect they were given that as a reason and it could of been a very valid reason.

It was clearly a night of sexual provocation and lewdness; why else would it be a men only event with only young slim scantily clad females. The company that employed these women need taking to task.

As for the men who attended, they probably did believe these women to be high class escorts. I'm sure though, some of those men were there solely for the charity event and didn't have any interaction with a girl in a black dress.

Well it seems every one of them who have been spoken to about this 'left early' and had absolutely no idea any of this was going on. Of course :hehe:

[Kazanne]

Blaming the women for being groped bloody hell

I'm not blaming them :shrug: I said I wondered why they did it,first grope I'de be out the door ,I never blamed them at all:nono:

[Kazanne]

The women were hired as hostesses, I'm not sure if I was hired as a hostess I'd be expecting to have my arse felt. I think once they were there, there was a pressure on them, they'd been paid (although not much in real terms) so there was a kind of contract. I imagine the girls were young... it must have been a scary experience. . If it was me you and Niamh, we'd have torn several of them them a new arsehole, I'm sure. But they were young girls out of their depth. And I'm sure a lot of the tossers that were there that night have daughters around the same age.

Thankyou Livia and you are right they would have had my size 5s up their arses:laugh::laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Well it seems every one of them who have been spoken to about this 'left early' and had absolutely no idea any of this was going on. Of course :hehe:

I'm not saying nobody was aware of what was going on but its not fair to say everyone revelled in it (though I could be wrong). Gay men wouldn't be interested in young sexy women and some men in loving relationships may of just gone along to make bids on the auction. What I'm saying is, we can't tar every bloke who went to that event as a sexual deviant. We can probably say it was quite a lot of them, but I doubt it was all of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Here's a question...

How would you feel if that was your male partner that had been to that event?
Would you tackle him about it?
Divorce him?
Lose trust in him?

[Vicky.]

Oh of course it wasn't every single one of them. Though, if they had been previous years they surely knew what to expect.

Just funny how they ALL seem to have left early and had no idea. Not predictable at all :D

[Vicky.]

How would you feel if that was your male partner that had been to that event? - Pretty pissed off with him.
Would you tackle him about it? - Of course.
Divorce him? - Bit much no? :laugh: if it turned out he had been the sleaze that asked one of the girls to take her knickers off and dance on the table though, most likely.
Lose trust in him? - Probably.

But I really really doubt my husband would stay at such an event. He has left stag dos early rather than go to strip/lapdancing clubs as he says its all just disgusting how some people think womens bodies are there to be sold :shrug: I agree with him tbh. I don't really blame the women for selling it, when its in demand and they are in need of a job, but I find it thoroughly depressing that there are so many buyers :(

[Alf]

I'd be delighted to get paid for getting slapped on the arse by a room full of women.

Where do I sign up?

[DemolitionRed]

I'd be delighted to get paid for getting slapped on the arse by a room full of women.

Where do I sign up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYoa0Xi8qo4

[arista]

[Labour peer sacked from front bench over Presidents Club event attendance]

Lord Mendelsohn has been asked to "step back" as spokesman for business and international trade after his attendance at the event.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-peer-sacked-from-front-bench-over-presidents-club-event-attendance-11222620

https://e3.365dm.com/18/01/1096x616/skynews-mendelsohn-presidents-club_4214815.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180125231200

[Alf]

[Labour peer sacked from front bench over Presidents Club event attendance]

Lord Mendelsohn has been asked to "step back" as spokesman for business and international trade after his attendance at the event.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-peer-sacked-from-front-bench-over-presidents-club-event-attendance-11222620

https://e3.365dm.com/18/01/1096x616/skynews-mendelsohn-presidents-club_4214815.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180125231200So what's his crime, attending a charity event? Or is there something else he's done?

It's sounding like a witch hunt.

[thesheriff443]

Like everything in life this story is not black and white.
Some of those that where there would be escort girls and would get hundreds even thousands for sex and thats why they where there.

Some women!will shag a stranger not for money but for sex just like men!

Women sell pussy men buy pussy, that wont stop.

the charities should of kept the money, the police sieze money and assets from the proceeds of crime and use the money to fight crime so giving the money back is stupid in my opinion.

[Ammi]

..thing is though, sheriff ..it feels that maybe the ‘hundreds or thousands’ may have played a part in it as well in that escorts weren’t hired...those who would be more experienced in the deflection of sleazy behaviour and such disrespect...many of the young ladies were students for instance.. and why would that be..?..because they were cheaper, maybe..?..£150 for all those hours, how lovely...so they didn’t have to pay those hundreds and thousands for so many hours ‘work’, so another indication of the low worth attached to it all as well...oh we want young attractive, sexy ladies but we want them As cheap as possiblel....actually that wasn’t their decision I have to say...that came from those who ‘employed’ them...but the whole thing obviously is just ugggh/sleazy/grim etc because some of those men in their men only charity event were prepared to pay high sums in the auction for things and yet they didn’t question how a young lady would be there../..how had that come about, ask questions etc and actually treat a young lady as a person to question these things, rather than just a sexual object wearing black.../...what do you do for a living etc...


...anyway, I’m not really sold on the ‘I had no idea’, maybe that was the case with some but I feel that many probably did know with an event that has been running for many years and especially with those who have personally attended many or most of those years...it feels more a bit like...well, I didn’t actively participate as such, but I was aware of or suspected but I just turned a blind eye or didn’t question because I wasn’t doing it myself...which would make them not really ‘innocent’ as such with their observance of such disrespect and low value that was being placed on these young ladies...and I’m sure that ‘blind eye’ would have been a bit more reluctant, had it been something similar with their own daughters or granddaughters....also the venue itself, surely staff may have oobserved over the years but it’s only been outed now... so maybe ‘blind eyes’ there as well...anyways, good it’s all been exposed but a shame the charities may suffer because of completely inappropriate and disrespectful behaviour from some who had felt more like ‘patrons’ and supporters to them...

[thesheriff443]

Taking big spending clients out of which most are men with families by middle management and again men with families using the company's credit card often include trips to strip clubs.
We talk about men with daughters and how would they feel if it was their daughters, but girls date men old enough to be their father.

More awareness in schools like lessons on this subject and mothers telling their daughters that it is not acceptable.

[jaxie]

Objectifying women at its best. It makes you wonder what other little clubs and events are doing this kind of thing under the surface.

I'd be appalled if Mr Jaxie went to such an event. I wouldn't be living with a man who was likely to behave in that way with women young enough to be his daughter. Luckily Mr Jaxie prefers to go out with me and spend time in my company.

[Livia]

I'm kind of surprised that David Walliams seems to have got away with this untarnished... while anyone connected to the political parties are, quite rightly, being given a hard time. He says he didn't see anything and left when he'd finished "presenting". Hmmmm...

[user104658]

I'm kind of surprised that David Walliams seems to have got away with this untarnished... while anyone connected to the political parties are, quite rightly, being given a hard time. He says he didn't see anything and left when he'd finished "presenting". Hmmmm...

Well... he's married to a model who is 12 years younger than him. It's not THAT surprising ...

[Livia]

Well... he's married to a model who is 12 years younger than him. It's not THAT surprising ...

Was married... you mean.

Whatever.. he creeps me right out.

[Niamh.]

Was married... you mean.

Whatever.. he creeps me right out.

me too, there was always something I found very off putting about him

[Livia]

me too, there was always something I found very off putting about him

My Mum can't be in the room while he's on the telly. She's the same with Keith Lemon lol...

[Niamh.]

My Mum can't be in the room while he's on the telly. She's the same with Keith Lemon lol...

I do find keith funny, sorry :laugh: But keith Lemon isn't a real person just a character, what's Walliams excuse?

[arista]

I'm kind of surprised that David Walliams seems to have got away with this untarnished... while anyone connected to the political parties are, quite rightly, being given a hard time. He says he didn't see anything and left when he'd finished "presenting". Hmmmm...

Yes
TV and Radio have been pointing DW out
today.

But the after party "was reported"
to have real hookers (sex workers)
going in, much later.