Ann is homophobic but her best mate in the house is a lesbian?

[Denver]

Explain this?

[joeysteele]

I think she tolerates Amanda as Amanda goes to bed early and doesn't mix with the younger ones.
I'd doubt,I don't know,but I'd doubt she really approves of Amandas relationship

Although,Amanda does not go on about It really.

[T*]

wow I guess this makes up for all those times she voted against lgbt rights WOO :clap1:

[Marsh.]

The new "I can't be racist because my next door neighbour is black"?

[Marsh.]

"Best mate"

They've known each other 3 weeks. Sit down.

[Denver]

wow I guess this makes up for all those times she voted against lgbt rights WOO :clap1:

Which she had perfect reasons for

[Lilac hills]

Homophillic queen

[poppsywoppsy]

wow I guess this makes up for all those times she voted against lgbt rights WOO :clap1:

It was her free choice

No one should be forced to vote for anything they do not want to.

We live in a Democracy.

[Denver]

"Best mate"

They've known each other 3 weeks. Sit down.

You missed out the words following to gain reaction like always

[smudgie]

She has gay friends outside the house.
She has already said she wouldn't go to their weddings, that her friends understand her views on marriage.

[jaxie]

Ann isn't homophobic she is just old fashioned and sexually repressed. Amanda doesn't roll around the house with her loins locked with one of the other girls. Any views she holds on gay rights are firmly in the religion camp and for that you'd need to sort the pope out.

[Kazanne]

Explain this?

She likes Amanda as does she Jess and ashley infact I do think she likes something in them all,she has never said she doesn't like anyone ,I dont think she is homophobic either as she didnt like PDAs from ashley and genuine and doesnt like it from Shane and Andrew which imo proves she is not as she is treating the two guys exactly as she did the hetro couple.

[Lilac hills]

wow I guess this makes up for all those times she voted against lgbt rights WOO :clap1:

How does not agreeing with certain rights translate to being petrified of gays?

[Marsh.]

It was her free choice

No one should be forced to vote for anything they do not want to.

We live in a Democracy.

Nobody's saying she should be forced. But there's no use denying being a homophobe when she is.

[Marsh.]

You missed out the words following to gain reaction like always

Yes, it's my mission on this forum to "gain reaction" from the likes of you, that must be it.

[Cherry Christmas]

I think she tolerates Amanda as Amanda goes to bed early and doesn't mix with the younger ones.
I'd doubt,I don't know,but I'd doubt she really approves of Amandas relationship

Although,Amanda does not go on about It really.

She is good friends with Amanda to say she tolerates her doesn't do their friendship justice

[Lilac hills]

Nobody's saying she should be forced. But there's no use denying being a homophobe when she is.

She’s prude

She doesn’t believe in gay marriage

This has nothing to do with homophobia

[MB.]

Which she had perfect reasons for

Sorry if I've missed it, but what exactly was "perfect" about her reasoning in being pro-Section 28?

[Cherry Christmas]

How does not agreeing with certain rights translate to being petrified of gays?

Only on TiBB

[Denver]

Nobody's saying she should be forced. But there's no use denying being a homophobe when she is.

She doesnt believe in any marriage and the reason she voted against gay's being legal was to protect people high up from being blackmailed and ****

[Marsh.]

How does not agreeing with certain rights translate to being petrified of gays?

:rolleyes:

She doesn't think homosexuals are deserving of equality and the same rights as heterosexuals. This makes her homophobic. The definition of which is being prejudiced against gay people.

Obviously.

[Denver]

:rolleyes:

She doesn't think homosexuals are deserving of equality and the same rights as heterosexuals. This makes her homophobic. The definition of which is being prejudiced against gay people.

Obviously.

Every vote has a bad effect on someone no matter what you cant be a winner in every vote

[Marsh.]

She doesnt believe in any marriage and the reason she voted against gay's being legal was to protect people high up from being blackmailed and ****

Rubbish. She said gay marriage "alienated" her as a Christian woman.

She voted against gay couples adopting as she thought only married heterosexuals should be afforded that right.

[poppsywoppsy]

Nobody's saying she should be forced. But there's no use denying being a homophobe when she is.

Such a blanket term which ranges from the least like those who do not agree with it for religious reasons to those who commit heinous rapes and harm.

I think name calling makes those pointing the finger fell morally superior, for even the slightest of reasons.

[Denver]

Rubbish. She said gay marriage "alienated" her as a Christian woman.

She voted against gay couples adopting as she thought only married heterosexuals should be afforded that right.

Which is what marriage was invented for.

The whole marriage system is a mockery whether its between same sex or opposite

[Marsh.]

Such a blanket term which ranges from the least like those who do not agree with it for religious reasons to those who commit heinous rapes and harm.

I think name calling makes those pointing the finger fell morally superior, for even the slightest of reasons.

No. It's not a blanket term, it's fairly simple.

If you discriminate against a gay person simply because they are gay you are homophobic.

Pointing out she's homophobic because she does not believe and has said she doesn't view homosexual relationships "equal" to a heterosexual relationship is a fact. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

Whether that is for religious reasons or not, it is what it is.

I don't know what rapists have to do with the discussion tbh.

[poppsywoppsy]

No. It's not a blanket term, it's fairly simple.

If you discriminate against a gay person simply because they are gay you are homophobic.

Pointing out she's homophobic because she does not believe and has said she doesn't view homosexual relationships "equal" to a heterosexual relationship is a fact. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

Whether that is for religious reasons or not, it is what it is.

I don't know what rapists have to do with the discussion tbh.

There is a post on another thread from a gay man, I suggest you read it.

[Marsh.]

She doesn’t believe in gay marriage



This has nothing to do with homophobia

So... what does it have to do with?

She doesn't "believe" in gay marriage (well, it exists so believe is a funny word) because she doesn't think they are equal to heterosexuals and that their relationships should be acknowledged legally. That's homophobia.

[Marsh.]

There is a post on another thread from a gay man, I suggest you read it.

Bring it in. I'm not in the habit of being your errand boy.

[Marsh.]

Which is what marriage was invented for.

The whole marriage system is a mockery whether its between same sex or opposite

But that's nothing to do with Ann Widdecombe, whose views we are discussing.

She didn't vote pro-gay marriage because she doesn't think they are equal to homosexuals. Homophobic no matter how much you change the window dressing.

[MB.]

There is a post on another thread from a gay man, I suggest you read it.

Babe, you're on TiBB, there's a post in every thread by a gay man

[Denver]

But that's nothing to do with Ann Widdecombe, whose views we are discussing.

She didn't vote pro-gay marriage because she doesn't think they are equal to homosexuals. Homophobic no matter how much you change the window dressing.

She voted no

If she was homophobic she would have campaigned hard against it but she didnt

[Christmas Lights]

Explain this?

:joker: Exactly which is why she's clearly NOT homophobic , people just like throwing that word around :crazy:.

[Jason.]

Lidl Ahmed & Kitten

[Marsh.]

Every vote has a bad effect on someone no matter what you cant be a winner in every vote

That's got nothing to do with anything.

Not all votes are basically asking "Do you find Human A as valid and equal to Human B".

If she voted against the rights of black people to get married, that would be racist as she would be denying them rights other people have based on skin colour. So denying homosexuals the rights of straight people based on their sexuality is homophobic.

It really is that simple.

[Lilac hills]

So... what does it have to do with?

She doesn't "believe" in gay marriage (well, it exists so believe is a funny word) because she doesn't think they are equal to heterosexuals and that their relationships should be acknowledged legally. That's homophobia.

Ok first why does it have to be homophobia she’s obviously not scared of gays or hates them

Second a lot of people are traditionalists and like to go off of the dictionary definition of marriage, that it’s between a man and a woman. This doesn’t always equal ‘fuk the gays they’re not equal human beings’ do you think someone like Ann holds someone at lower estimation because of their sexuality?

No she holds EVERYONE that does stuff in that house at lower estimation bc she’s a prude, it’s nothing personal to the gays

[Cherry Christmas]

Bring it in. I'm not in the habit of being your errand boy.

I am a gay man. I'm 34. I would like to think I'm somewhat intelligent. I am far to the left politically and Anne Widdecombe and I have some very different views about the world.

But, I don't thing we need to be carrying out a witch hunt over an off the cuff comment she made. She didn't say I think gay people are disgusting. She didn't personally attack anyone. She didn't use any unwarranted language. She just said "don't be disgusting". With a sneer granted, but even if she did mean it as a horrible slight to all gay people.. that's fine! She is allowed that opinion! What she is not allowed to do is use that opinion to discriminate someone. To bully or hurt. Until she does that everybody needs to chill the ******* out.

[Marsh.]

She voted no

If she was homophobic she would have campaigned hard against it but she didnt

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

What?

That's like saying "That man isn't a rapist, he was the woman's boyfriend, they lived together and they had sex every night anyway. Just because this one night she had a headache and he just carried on doesn't make it rape. You have to be smacked over the head with a bottle and beaten up in a dark alley by a stranger for it to be rape".

We'll end it here because your understanding of the situation is laughable.

[MB.]

She voted no

If she was homophobic she would have campaigned hard against it but she didnt

Not to sound like a broken record or anything, but she was literally the architect of an amendment to try and keep Section 28 in place in 2003

So yeah, I'd say she's had a pretty active role in stuff like this

[Marsh.]

I am a gay man. I'm 34. I would like to think I'm somewhat intelligent. I am far to the left politically and Anne Widdecombe and I have some very different views about the world.

But, I don't thing we need to be carrying out a witch hunt over an off the cuff comment she made. She didn't say I think gay people are disgusting. She didn't personally attack anyone. She didn't use any unwarranted language. She just said "don't be disgusting". With a sneer granted, but even if she did mean it as a horrible slight to all gay people.. that's fine! She is allowed that opinion! What she is not allowed to do is use that opinion to discriminate someone. To bully or hurt. Until she does that everybody needs to chill the ******* out.

Thanks Cherie, I always suspected you were a gay man but I wasn't sure. ;)

In regards to the thread, he's right. Nobody can be judged off one remark made in an edited reality show.

We're, however, discussing Widdecombe as a public figure who's been around long before CBB. That discussion goes beyond discussing whether her "disgusting" comment was directly referring to them being gay.

[Denver]

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

What?

That's like saying "That man isn't a rapist, he was the woman's boyfriend, they lived together and they had sex every night anyway. Just because this one night she had a headache and he just carried on doesn't make it rape. You have to be smacked over the head with a bottle and beaten up in a dark alley by a stranger for it to be rape".

We'll end it here because your understanding of the situation is laughable.

I am bored of you thinking your the king of the word when you are nothing you are the voice for nobody and nobody owes you anything.

So stop attacking every single person who doesnt agree with you because it got boring years ago

[Marsh.]

Ok first why does it have to be homophobia she’s obviously not scared of gays or hates them

You keep saying this as though it means something.

You don't have to be scared of anything, nor attacking them in the street to be prejudiced towards them and think them a lower class that don't deserve equal rights. No, she doesn't run from the room screaming when a gay person appears. No, she doesn't scream abuse at them and slap them for being gay. But she does think they are of less worth than a straight person and don't deserve equal recognition in society and in law. That's homophobia.

Do you understand now?

[Marsh.]

I am bored of you thinking your the king of the word when you are nothing you are the voice for nobody and nobody owes you anything.

So stop attacking every single person who doesnt agree with you because it got boring years ago

I'm discussing Ann Widdecombe and homophobia.

Where you got the idea I'm discussing what I'm owed etc is baffling.

If you want to discuss me Adam, take it to PM. Or make a new thread I couldn't care less. :thumbs:

As it is, I shall continue debating as long as I please and responding to people's posts. If you find that "attacking" that is an issue YOU have to deal with, not me.

[Parmy]

wow I guess this makes up for all those times she voted against lgbt rights WOO :clap1:

WOO.:joker:

[Christmas Lights]

I am bored of you thinking your the king of the word when you are nothing you are the voice for nobody and nobody owes you anything.

So stop attacking every single person who doesnt agree with you because it got boring years ago

:clap1:

[Denver]

You are not discussing you are just dismissing anyone who doesnt agree with the accusations

[Marsh.]

You are not discussing you are just dismissing anyone who doesnt agree with the accusations

I'm disagreeing and providing explanations and then all I'm getting is petty responses from you. Put me on ignore if you don't like people disagreeing with you because you refuse to actually discuss.

Last time I'll reply to you on this entire forum, you are ridiculous.

[Cherry Christmas]

Thanks Cherie, I always suspected you were a gay man but I wasn't sure. ;)

In regards to the thread, he's right. Nobody can be judged off one remark made in an edited reality show.

We're, however, discussing Widdecombe as a public figure who's been around long before CBB. That discussion goes beyond discussing whether her "disgusting" comment was directly referring to them being gay.

:oh: how could you out me like that

[joeysteele]

Nobody's saying she should be forced. But there's no use denying being a homophobe when she is.

Spot on.good response.

[Vicky.]

Babe, you're on TiBB, there's a post in every thread by a gay man

:joker:

[Miranda123]

I think she tolerates Amanda as Amanda goes to bed early and doesn't mix with the younger ones.
I'd doubt,I don't know,but I'd doubt she really approves of Amandas relationship

Although,Amanda does not go on about It really.

Ann is a catholic, and as we all know, the bible frowns upon man on man, though is quite ambiguous about women

Anne is, believe it or not, quite a forward thinking 'older lady' she said she had no problem with gay marriage in a registry office but objected to a 'religious marriage', not exactly homophobic

Regardless of what people believe, as long as you are respectful of others, that should be enough. Andrew, on the other hand, is not respectful of other peoples beliefs

Though I suspect he would behave differently if Anne were a Muslim woman, just to stay on the right side of PC

[Marsh.]

Anne is, believe it or not, quite a forward thinking 'older lady' she said she had no problem with gay marriage in a registry office but objected to a 'religious marriage', not exactly homophobic

She voted against civil partnerships?

[pontyboi]

She voted no

If she was homophobic she would have campaigned hard against it but she didnt

Everything about this post is wrong.

SHE VOTED NO!

Jesus who gave Ann the power to rule people of the same sex can't be together when she's a ****ing Virgin.

[Denver]

Everything about this post is wrong.

SHE VOTED NO!

Jesus who gave Ann the power to rule people of the same sex can't be together when she's a ****ing Virgin.

And you wonder why gays dont get taken seriously?

[pontyboi]

I am bored of you thinking your the king of the word when you are nothing you are the voice for nobody and nobody owes you anything.

So stop attacking every single person who doesnt agree with you because it got boring years ago

Dude personal attacks.

You need to take a look in the mirror because you just made a tit of your self.

Seems you're holding grudges when you remember posts from years ago.

[pontyboi]

You are not discussing you are just dismissing anyone who doesnt agree with the accusations

They are not accusations they are facts.

Ann voted against gay marriage, Ann doesn't agree with gay marriage, Ann is definitely against men laying with men.

[Lstan]

Ann is homophobic but her best mate in the house is a lesbian?
Explain this?

https://78.media.tumblr.com/6ebd10247bf6bc1fc600e9f4365c9971/tumblr_inline_o317lpXzqy1ru0btx_500.png

[montblanc]

the title is serving "I can't be racist I have black friends"

[Marsh.]

And you wonder why gays dont get taken seriously?
Gays don't get taken seriously? :umm2:

[JerseyWins]

A lesbian being one of Ann's closest friends in the house doesn't mean she isn't homophobic but it does mean she is friendly with and can form friendships with homosexuals even if some of her outdated beliefs go against homosexual rights. She's not hateful against a group and that counts for something.

Like I said in the other thread, there's different levels to things. Ann ain't bad and she's a big / oddly entertaining character on this season (oddly considering her personality). :joker:

[Ammi]

Explain this?

...I think she seems to accept people for who they are in terms of their character and she and Amanda have obviously connected so Amanda’s sexuality hasn’t been something she’s been ‘judged on’, as it were....hmmm, it would have been interesting though to see if the friendship had been the same exactly...had Amanda’s partner been a housemate as well and had they showed public displays of affection etc...?...obviously ShaneJ is gay and that didn’t prevent from her feelings at the beginning of saying things like she would be proud to have him as a grandson, which would indicate the acceptance of his sexuality as well..?...she’s very uncomfortable though I think with certain public displays..hmmm but then is that specifically because of the sexuality of the people... as in ...don’t act gay/don’t talk gay because That’s awful and that’s wrong...because she didn’t like any public displays as it were with Ashley and Ginuwine either, so I think it’s more that...she feels some things should be very private between two people...and just not something that she feels comfortable being around...or indeed to be discussed so publicly in a way that she feels is ‘crude’...

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Ann has just lost my vote with her ridiculous reasons for nominating. And all my respect. I would vote for anyone other than her now. She's a nasty piece of work.

[Lstan]

Though I suspect he would behave differently if Anne were a Muslim woman, just to stay on the right side of PC

Oh, you dragging that old chestnut out :idc:

[JerseyWins]

...I think she seems to accept people for who they are in terms of their character and she and Amanda have obviously connected so Amanda’s sexuality hasn’t been something she’s been ‘judged on’, as it were....hmmm, it would have been interesting though to see if the friendship had been the same exactly...had Amanda’s partner been a housemate as well and had they showed public displays of affection etc...?...obviously ShaneJ is gay and that didn’t prevent from her feelings at the beginning of saying things like she would be proud to have him as a grandson, which would indicate the acceptance of his sexuality as well..?...she’s very uncomfortable though I think with certain public displays..hmmm but then is that specifically because of the sexuality of the people... as in ...don’t act gay/don’t talk gay because That’s awful and that’s wrong...because she didn’t like any public displays as it were with Ashley and Ginuwine either, so I think it’s more that...she feels some things should be very private between two people...and just not something that she feels comfortable being around...or indeed to be discussed so publicly in a way that she feels is ‘crude’...
Very good points here :clap1:

Also, that alternative Amanda situation is very interesting and something I'm curious about now. :think: I'm wondering if she doesn't like to see sexual behavior period and if that would actually make her less close to Amanda or if it's different for her if it's not two people who met on the show, knowing each other for only a few days, and having a showmance (/bromance in Andrew & Shane's case).