Feminist?

[Bones]

Sure she was stone cold feminist when she was introduced to CBB house. But after few days, she was almost having sex with Ginwine. Do she really present feminism and how it all goes?

[Nicky91]

she immediately clicked with G, i just think she really likes him

[Lilac hills]

Modern day feminism is god awful anyway and isn’t needed

[caprimint]

"Almost had sex with him"

:facepalm:

No point in reading anymore fake info

[Bones]

she immediately clicked with G, i just think she really likes him

So she presents feminism? Lust at first sight?

[Bones]

"Almost had sex with him"

:facepalm:

No point in reading anymore fake info

Fake? How?

[caprimint]

Fake? How?
When did she almost have sex? They cuddled. :unsure:

[Bones]

When did she almost have sex? They cuddled. :unsure:

Sure did look something more to me. Or can i cuddle with you? After all, we won't have sex after all?

[Nicky91]

So she presents feminism? Lust at first sight?

no, she told G off when he went too far, she wanted to keep things Mutual and fun for both of them

i see her as a strong woman, who exactly knows what she wants, i think she sees a good friend in G + $$$$ to up her career using some of his music connections


and fact she won immunity at the children's task she gets along with kids really well, so yeah i can see her being a great fun stepmom for G's kids tbh

[montblanc]

Sure she was stone cold feminist when she was introduced to CBB house. But after few days, she was almost having sex with Ginwine. Do she really present feminism and how it all goes?

do you know what feminism is

[Bones]

do you know what feminism is

Having sex with every male that looks good?

[Bones]

no, she told G off when he went too far, she wanted to keep things Mutual and fun for both of them

i see her as a strong woman, who exactly knows what she wants, i think she sees a good friend in G + $$$$ to up her career using some of his music connections


and fact she won immunity at the children's task she gets along with kids really well, so yeah i can see her being a great fun stepmom for G's kids tbh

Yeah, sure ginuwine just wants to cuddle with her :joker:

[caprimint]

Sure did look something more to me. Or can i cuddle with you? After all, we won't have sex after all?
If you associate cuddling with sex, it's your problem and certainly not Ashley's

[Bones]

If you associate cuddling with sex, it's your problem and certainly not Ashley's

:joker::joker::joker: feminists....i'm quite sure that ginuwines dick thinks so too

[caprimint]

:joker::joker::joker: feminists....i'm quite sure that ginuwines dick thinks so too
Doesn't have any relevance to Ashley's mind tbh

[Bones]

Doesn't have any relevance to Ashley's mind tbh

Better say nothing so i would not insult you.

[Jamie89]

Do feminists not have sex? (Not that Ashley and Genuwine did anyway but still)

[Nicky91]

Yeah, sure ginuwine just wants to cuddle with her :joker:

:rolleyes: i get what you are trying to say, feminists aren't allowed to have relationships, Ashley is not a saint, but i love her for being so normal, and not shallow, she looks past all negatives and tries to see the good things


i allow her to like anyone she likes, i have disliked G but she likes him so she must see something in him what we don't see

[Bones]

Do feminists not have sex? (Not that Ashley and Genuwine did anyway but still)

I was not saying that. But wonder how someone presents herself as a feminist and after two days she is acting like a cheap *****.

[Vanessa]

I'm not impressed that she nominated one of her friends. It's wrong in my book. If Shane and Andrew had nominated each other I would have been furious.

[montblanc]

Having sex with every male that looks good?

so i'm guessing the answer's no

[Paula D]

I was not saying that. But wonder how someone presents herself as a feminist and after two days she is acting like a cheap *****.

Get a grip.

[Tom4784]

Modern day feminism is god awful anyway and isn’t needed

https://i.giphy.com/media/3o752gat9lFmxoiTKM/giphy.webp

Have you not been paying attention to what's been happening in the world at any point ever?

[Jamie89]

I was not saying that. But wonder how someone presents herself as a feminist and after two days she is acting like a cheap *****.

I'm not sure what feminism has to do with a woman and man cuddling tbh? (or how that makes her a cheap *****)

[Lilac hills]

https://i.giphy.com/media/3o752gat9lFmxoiTKM/giphy.webp

Have you not been paying attention to what's been happening in the world at any point ever?

Are women in the first world being executed at mass? Forgot to read about that

[hazyjo]

She cuddled him so she's looking to shag him?

Are you the sort of person who thinks a girl is asking for it by wearing a short skirt or a low cut top?

Says an awful lot about you - if you're happy to be perceived that way, fill yer boots. Not something I'd be using as bait on a wind-up thread, I'm sure you can do better where you don't look like such a muppet.

[Nicky91]

I'm not impressed that she nominated one of her friends. It's wrong in my book. If Shane and Andrew had nominated each other I would have been furious.

maybe they would've nominated each other ;) we don't know that now


i am glad she saw right through Andrew, he only wanted to smash her, and yeah i think she doesn't want another showmance anymore, cause she has G waiting for her outside now, so now more like being friends with Jess, Malika & Wayne

[Bones]

I'm not sure what feminism has to do with a woman and man cuddling tbh? (or how that makes her a cheap *****)

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

[montblanc]

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

what are you talking about

[Bones]

She cuddled him so she's looking to shag him?

Are you the sort of person who thinks a girl is asking for it by wearing a short skirt or a low cut top?

Says an awful lot about you - if you're happy to be perceived that way, fill yer boots. Not something I'd be using as bait on a wind-up thread, I'm sure you can do better where you don't look like such a muppet.

I think that you know very little about men then. If you think that men just want cuddle, nothing else, proves how naive you are.

[Bones]

what are you talking about

Repeat When Necessary.

[Jamie89]

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

Feminists are talking about what all the time, cuddling? I'm so confused :laugh:

Even if she was having sex with him, or not being 'classy', or whatever, I still don't know what any of that has to do with feminism.

[hazyjo]

I think that you know very little about men then. If you think that men just want cuddle, nothing else, proves how naive you are.

Haha not exactly lol.

Of course they want more eventually, same as women do - I'm just saying that by cuddling someone it does not give them a green light and does not mean 'almost having sex', does it.

[Bones]

Feminists are talking about what all the time, cuddling? I'm so confused :laugh:

Even if she was having sex with him, or not being 'classy', or whatever, I still don't know what any of that has to do with feminism.

Exactly. Wonder why someone is calling herself as a feminist, when after all they are acting just like a normal woman. :smug:

[Bones]

Haha not exactly lol.

Of course they want more eventually, same as women do - I'm just saying that by cuddling someone it does not give them a green light and does not mean 'almost having sex', does it.

As i said, you are so naive :)

[Tom4784]

Are women in the first world being executed at mass? Forgot to read about that

I love it when men try to act like feminism isn't needed.

Just because people aren't being killed in the street en mass (although murder/rape rates for women are higher than that of men) doesn't mean that feminism isn't needed. There is still inequality in pay, job sectors where women aren't given the same opportunities a man would and obviously, from the last year alone, rampant sexual harrassment is still a massive issue.

Resorting to an extreme example to try to illegitimate a cause that scares you is an overly simplistic tactic, one that is easily destroyed with even the slightest bit of logic. If you really need to hate women, I'd advise you think up of some arguments that aren't so easily thrown aside.

[Lilac hills]

I love it when men try to act like feminism isn't needed.

Just because people aren't being killed in the street en mass (although murder/rape rates for women are higher than that of men) doesn't mean that feminism isn't needed. There is still inequality in pay, job sectors where women aren't given the same opportunities a man would and obviously, from the last year alone, rampant sexual harrassment is still a massive issue.

Resorting to an extreme example to try to illegitimate a cause that scares you is an overly simplistic tactic, one that is easily destroyed with even the slightest bit of logic. If you really need to hate women, I'd advise you think up of some arguments that aren't so easily thrown aside.

The wage gap is a myth from a misleading statistic that disregarded job positions, hours work and most importantly maternity leave

The 5 most powerful people in Britain are women

Sexual abuse isn’t a feminist issue both sexes deal with it

What qualifies as sexual harassment for you btw? Cat calling?

I don’t hate women, I’m an egalitarian. All people deserve rights and equal treatment, not just women. I would go as far to say that it has started going the other way and that women have it easier but that’s up for debate.

[caprimint]

I'm not impressed that she nominated one of her friends. It's wrong in my book. If Shane and Andrew had nominated each other I would have been furious.
Who did Ashley nominate? :unsure:

[Bones]

I love it when men try to act like feminism isn't needed.

Just because people aren't being killed in the street en mass (although murder/rape rates for women are higher than that of men) doesn't mean that feminism isn't needed. There is still inequality in pay, job sectors where women aren't given the same opportunities a man would and obviously, from the last year alone, rampant sexual harrassment is still a massive issue.

Resorting to an extreme example to try to illegitimate a cause that scares you is an overly simplistic tactic, one that is easily destroyed with even the slightest bit of logic. If you really need to hate women, I'd advise you think up of some arguments that aren't so easily thrown aside.

Eh??? Equality is what is needed, not feminism (old ideology from 60's). What i'm talking about is hypocrisy. When you are acting something that you in reality you are not. Hating women, how did you bring that up?

[Bones]

The wage gap is a myth from a misleading statistic that disregarded job positions, hours work and most importantly maternity leave

The 5 most powerful people in Britain are women

Sexual abuse isn’t a feminist issue both sexes deal with it

What qualifies as sexual harassment for you btw? Cat calling?

I don’t hate women, I’m an egalitarian. All people deserve rights and equal treatment, not just women. I would go as far to say that it has started going the other way and that women have it easier but that’s up for debate.

:worship:

[montblanc]

Exactly. Wonder why someone is calling herself as a feminist, when after all they are acting just like a normal woman. :smug:

okay so this is evidence that you don't know what feminism is AT ALL :joker:

[Nicky91]

Who did Ashley nominate? :unsure:

Shane J & Andrew, both who did talk behind her back, especially Andrew who said he wanted to smash her ;)


i'm so glad she saw right through him, and she played the game which CBB is a game :clap1:

[Bones]

okay so this is evidence that you don't know what feminism is AT ALL :joker:

Really? So it is a part of feminism to get in to bed with guy you have known about 2 days?

[montblanc]

The wage gap is a myth from a misleading statistic that disregarded job positions, hours work and most importantly maternity leave

The 5 most powerful people in Britain are women

Sexual abuse isn’t a feminist issue both sexes deal with it

What qualifies as sexual harassment for you btw? Cat calling?

I don’t hate women, I’m an egalitarian. All people deserve rights and equal treatment, not just women. I would go as far to say that it has started going the other way and that women have it easier but that’s up for debate.

you either have to be super oblivious or delusional if you can honestly say that you think women have it easier

[Lilac hills]

you either have to be super oblivious or delusional if you can honestly say that you think women have it easier

What do women not have that men do

Women consistently win divorce settlements and child custody battles. People bend over backwards for women abuse and sexual assault stories whereas male abuse is often laughed at and not taken seriously. Can’t really think of a right men have that women don’t

[Bones]

Get a grip.

You do that.

[Underscore]

I love it when men try to act like feminism isn't needed.

Just because people aren't being killed in the street en mass (although murder/rape rates for women are higher than that of men) doesn't mean that feminism isn't needed. There is still inequality in pay, job sectors where women aren't given the same opportunities a man would and obviously, from the last year alone, rampant sexual harrassment is still a massive issue.

Resorting to an extreme example to try to illegitimate a cause that scares you is an overly simplistic tactic, one that is easily destroyed with even the slightest bit of logic. If you really need to hate women, I'd advise you think up of some arguments that aren't so easily thrown aside.

AMEN :clap1:

[montblanc]

What do women not have that men do

Women consistently win divorce settlements and child custody battles. People bend over backwards for women abuse and sexual assault stories whereas male abuse is often laughed at and not taken seriously. Can’t really think of a right men have that women don’t

i do agree with you on the divorce settlements/custody battles & the dismissal of male abuse/sexual assault victims however when female victims DO report, they are often victim-blamed and are thought to be lying so I wouldn't say people "bend over backwards" for them. Also, to answer your question, it's more about how women are treated in today's society compared to their male counterparts rather than what they do and don't have.

[Bones]

i do agree with you on the divorce settlements/custody battles & the dismissal of male abuse/sexual assault victims however when female victims DO report, they are often victim-blamed and are thought to be lying so I wouldn't say people "bend over backwards" for them. Also, to answer your question, it's more about how women are treated in today's society compared to their male counterparts rather than what they do and don't have.

There is thing called equality. And that has nothing to do with feminism (old ideology from 60's).

[Lilac hills]

i do agree with you on the divorce settlements/custody battles & the dismissal of male abuse/sexual assault victims however when female victims DO report, they are often victim-blamed and are thought to be lying so I wouldn't say people "bend over backwards" for them. Also, to answer your question, it's more about how women are treated in today's society compared to their male counterparts rather than what they do and don't have.

How are women treated different in society today? Just wondering bc personally I’ve seen more real life instances of men being treated poorly purely because of their sex rather than the opposite (tho it’s been rare from both sides), but that’s just me I’d love to hear if other people have had adverse experiences

[Robodog]

There is thing called equality. And that has nothing to do with feminism (old ideology from 60's).

I agree

Why say feminism when you can say equality?

Unless you believe in feminism as a supremacy movement?

[Niamh.]

She was hardly almost having sex, they didn't even have a proper kiss :/

[Bones]

I agree

Why say feminism when you can say equality?

Unless you believe in feminism as a supremacy movement?

Exactly. Short and sweet. :kiss:

[Bones]

She was hardly almost having sex, they didn't even have a proper kiss :/

Ok, i wanna come over there and cuddle with you. We won't have sex :)

[Niamh.]

I agree

Why say feminism when you can say equality?

Unless you believe in feminism as a supremacy movement?

Its called feminism because clearly the imbalance is against women and so it's a womens movement, obviously. Men have never needed to seek equality from women, I'm sure you all know this though

[Lilac hills]

Its called feminism because clearly the imbalance is against women and so it's a womens movement, obviously. Men have never needed to seek equality from women, I'm sure you all know this though

Is this ironic I can’t tell

[Niamh.]

Ok, i wanna come over there and cuddle with you. We won't have sex :)

But how does cuddling someone make her not a feminist though? Aren't feminist allowed have relationships/affection/sex? :laugh:

[Bones]

Its called feminism because clearly the imbalance is against women and so it's a womens movement, obviously. Men have never needed to seek equality from women, I'm sure you all know this though

I know that you are moderator, but that is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard. So equality is not ok for you?

[Niamh.]

Is this ironic I can’t tell

I know that you are moderator, but that is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard. So equality is not ok for you?

wow how rude you two are, welcome to the forum.

Why does what I wrote say I don't believe in equality? Or are you purposely misunderstanding what I wrote?

[Ashley.]

Sure she was stone cold feminist when she was introduced to CBB house. But after few days, she was almost having sex with Ginwine. Do she really present feminism and how it all goes?

It sounds as though you're the one portraying her as a "stone cold" feminist by implying that she's supposed to be against any type of relationship with a man.

[Bones]

wow how rude you two are, welcome to the forum.

Why does what I wrote say I don't believe in equality? Or are you purposely misunderstanding what I wrote?

So it is rude to tell what you are thinking? Have a nice day too.

[Lilac hills]

wow how rude you two are, welcome to the forum.

Why does what I wrote say I don't believe in equality? Or are you purposely misunderstanding what I wrote?

No I just literally couldn’t tell if it was ironic lol it wasn’t meant in an offensive way

[Bones]

It sounds as though you're the one portraying her as a "stone cold" feminist by implying that she's supposed to be against any type of relationship with a man.

So she is just a feminist instead of stone cold feminist?

[Ashley.]

So she is just a feminist instead of stone cold feminist?

There's nothing stone cold about her. Yes, she's a feminist. I believe every woman should be a feminist.

[Lilac hills]

Anyway assuming u were being serious I could understand needing a movement specifically for women back in like 1900’s because back then we needed a concentrated focus on the fact women just didn’t have the same rights which is wrong, however why should a movement like that exist now and hide over the definition of equality when first the name implies it’s heavily focused on one side and therefore isn’t advocating for the equality of everyone especially when women have all the rights men do have and most modern day feminists are advocating for more, and two if you truly believed in equality why not just say you believe in equality, because I highly doubt even 0.01% of feminists in the modern era would ever advocate for the right of a man. Doesn’t sound like equality does it?

[Niamh.]

So it is rude to tell what you are thinking? Have a nice day too.

If you're calling me stupid then yes absolutely that's rude. You've not answered my question though. What about my post says I don't believe in equality?

No I just literally couldn’t tell if it was ironic lol it wasn’t meant in an offensive way

You clearly misunderstood what I was saying, I mean it's a womans movement because women were/are the ones discriminated against, in the same way that Black lives Matter is about black people looking to be treated equally to white people, women are looking to be treated equally to men ........not better than man.

[Niamh.]

Anyway assuming u were being serious I could understand needing a movement specifically for women back in like 1900’s because back then we needed a concentrated focus on the fact women just didn’t have the same rights which is wrong, however why should a movement like that exist now and hide over the definition of equality when first the name implies it’s heavily focused on one side and therefore isn’t advocating for the equality of everyone especially when women have all the rights men do have and most modern day feminists are advocating for more, and two if you truly believed in equality why not just say you believe in equality, because I highly doubt even 0.01% of feminists in the modern era would ever advocate for the right of a man. Doesn’t sound like equality does it?

Obviously things (in this side of the world anyway) are much better now for women but I don't think we're totally equal in regards to pay and job opportunities (and just look at all this Harvey Weinstein stuff to see how equal women are in Hollywood) And staying with Hollywood, the pay difference between Female and male actors. For example, last year (or maybe the year before, Scarlet Johanson was the highest grossing actor but she didn't even break the top 10 in wages

[montblanc]

How are women treated different in society today? Just wondering bc personally I’ve seen more real life instances of men being treated poorly purely because of their sex rather than the opposite, but that’s just me I’d love to hear if other people have had adverse experiences

Wage gaps, the government (well at least here in America) making decisions about women's bodies (Anti-abortion laws, efforts to stop Planned Parenthood funding through Medicaid, etc.), likely hood of being sexually assaulted, Lack of leadership roles in certain fields (even though women are more likely to graduate college), shamed for being sexual active while men get praised/not judged as harshly

There's A LOT but that's some of the ones that i can think off the top of my head lol

[Bones]

If you're calling me stupid then yes absolutely that's rude. You've not answered my question though. What about my post says I don't believe in equality?



.

Well you can call me stupid too i don't mind :D I wont get hurt :D And i do believe in equality, but not feminism :)

[Niamh.]

Wage gaps, the government (well at least here in America) making decisions about women's bodies (Anti-abortion laws, efforts to stop Planned Parenthood funding through Medicaid, etc.), likely hood of being sexually assaulted, Lack of leadership roles in certain fields (even though women are more likely to graduate college), shamed for being sexual active while men get praised/not judged as harshly

There's A LOT but that's some of the ones that i can think off the top of my head lol

:clap2:

here in Ireland we're only just having a referendum this summer to make abortion legal so there's alot of discussions about it on the media etc and guess what I'd say 90% of those ones shouting murder the loudest are men

[Niamh.]

Well you can call me stupid too i don't mind :D I wont get hurt :D And i do believe in equality, but not feminism :)

Well as you've pointed out I'm a moderator so that would be against the rules of the forum, I'll let it slide this one time for you though :hee:

[Bones]

:clap2:

here in Ireland we're only just having a referendum this summer to make abortion legal so there's alot of discussions about it on the media etc and guess what I'd say 90% of those ones shouting murder the loudest are men

Seems like Ireland is backward place then. But it does not mean that whole europe is and all men are accused because of that.

[Niamh.]

Seems like Ireland is backward place then. But it does not mean that whole europe is and all men are accused because of that.

Oh yes Ireland is the only place in Europe that has gender inequality mmm If it makes you feel better to think that lol

[Bones]

Oh yes Ireland is the only place in Europe that has gender inequality mmm If it makes you feel better to think that lol

lol

[Niamh.]

lol

good post

[Tom4784]

The wage gap is a myth from a misleading statistic that disregarded job positions, hours work and most importantly maternity leave

The 5 most powerful people in Britain are women

Sexual abuse isn’t a feminist issue both sexes deal with it

What qualifies as sexual harassment for you btw? Cat calling?

I don’t hate women, I’m an egalitarian. All people deserve rights and equal treatment, not just women. I would go as far to say that it has started going the other way and that women have it easier but that’s up for debate.

Except the wage gap isn't a myth, it's something that's been proven to exist time and time again.

The most powerful people in the country doesn't change things for the millions of other women in the country, leadership roles in most industries are still dominated by men, business is still mostly male dominated etc. There's more opportunities for men then there are women.

Sexual abuse can affect both sexes but women are still way more likely to be affected by it

Yes, all the sexual harassment business of the past year has just come down to cat calling. Good god. Sexual harassment is the pressurising of a person into a sexual situation, whether that be by unwanted advances or comments or leading a person into a sexual situation through false pretences. It's a problem, like with sexual assault, that women have to deal with way more than men.

I reject the idea that you are an egalitarian, why aren't you denouncing all the advantages men get in favour of pretending that feminism isn't needed when it obviously is just because you have a problem with the few advantage society allows women to have. It's the same argument that people have against Pride parades or Black History month.

Nothing you have said has really made me believe that you care about equality at all.

[Lilac hills]

Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother forum but let’s just agree to disagree

[Underscore]

Loving these smackdowns by Niamh

You go girl :clap1:

[Bones]

Except the wage gap isn't a myth

Yes it is.

[Bones]

good post

Thank you. You too.

[Lilac hills]

Let’s all love each other tho there are enough bad things in this world <3

Like Andrew brady

[Jamie89]

Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother form but let’s just agree to disagree

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

[hazyjo]

As i said, you are so naive :)

Mate, I'm forty-fkin'-seven. I have every tee-shirt going :laugh: Naïve went out of my world about 30 years ago :joker:

No feminist either. Equality yes.

I want Daniel to win FFS!

[Bones]

Mate, I'm forty-fkin'-seven. I have every tee-shirt going :laugh: Naïve went out of my world about 30 years ago :joker:

No feminist either. Equality yes.

I want Daniel to win FFS!

Ok then :joker: Sorry my mistake :)

[montblanc]

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal. So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

[Bones]

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

Not really.

[Jamie89]

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

If misogyny was the reason behind someone sexually abusing some else though then men wouldn't be victims of it, it follows a pattern of straight men abusing women and gay men abusing other men. I suppose misogyny could be a factor, like I said I don't know all the facts I'm just assuming really, but it just seems to make more sense to me that the rates are what they are because of sexuality.

[Lilac hills]

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

Honestly it may have something to do with nature, definitely not totally unplausible. I’d like to think that most people in the first world surpress natural urges when it’s at the expense at another person tho however.

And tbh sexual abuse and rape is a bit of a grey area. A lot of people that have been abused, both men and women, don’t speak up about it in fear of being ridiculed or being seen as less of a person. Rape is also a difficult crime to prove. If there are no noticeable scars or anything. Two people can claim rape, one genuine the other not, both have no physical harm to prove it so how do you distinguish if they’re legitimate? I think in this case for a lot of cases involving women abuse people get accused of victim blaming if they don’t believe the victim ykno so this can lead to a lot of false accusations. Again it’s all a bit of a grey area so liek ykno

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Sometimes it does come across like she's overdoing it.
The time when she wanted to let Jess talk about Page 3 and saying later that she wanted "to empower a fellow woman", like it's some sort of a disability that requires empowerment - hoping on the feminist train to nowhere. A bit like a walking facebook post of inspirational quotes.