Amanda vs Shane J - whose side are you on?

[Ant.]

Poll incoming

[Lilac hills]

Aman duh

[lewis111]

I still prefer Amanda
But in this argument Shane was right, or more so Amanda was wrong

[BBUK-Fan]

Amanda

[Vanessa]

Shane. I found Amanda unnecessarily nasty tonight.

[Natawho]

Amanda

[Maru]

Amandaz

[lewis111]

But to be fair I'm sti not sure what it was all about as they both seemed to be arguing over different things

[Time]

Amanda

[Amy Jade]

Neither really as I see both points

Amanda came across badly in the bathroom though, she barely let Shane speak never mind explain his views.

[Denver]

Amanda.

Shane has no right to try and dictate how LGBT people should treat someone in another country

[Paula D]

Amanda of course

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[Shaun]

Amanda brought up irrelevant past transgressions (Courtney's wardrobe malfunction) to make a point about not judging people on past transgressions... and then walked off without hearing a response... so um... Shane.

[poppsywoppsy]

Amanda, she has lived the Gay life, long before Shane j was about.

Wayne and Amanda have asked him to get off his soapbox.

[AnnieK]

Neither really as I see both points

Amanda came across badly in the bathroom though, she barely let Shane speak never mind explain his views.

Think of it though as someone slagging your close friend off and trying to get you to agree with them....would you? If someone had tried to get me to bitch about one of my friends after going round everyone and talking behind her back, I wouldn't let them speak either.

[Underscore]

Shane J 150%

[GiRTh]

Clicked both but more on Shane J side. Its obvious what he was trying to do with Wayne and Amanda but I still dont understand why Amanda seemed to deny it and then went so low.

[odd sock]

Amanda.

Shane has no right to try and dictate how LGBT people should treat someone in another countryI'm gay and he certainly does not speak for me or represent my views. Vile little queen.

[Yaki da]

Amanda. Because she's on Ann's side.

[Shaun]

Amanda, she has lived the Gay life, long before Shane j was about.

She came out in 2002, two years after he did :spin2:

[poppsywoppsy]

She came out in 2002, two years after he did :spin2:

Not saying when she came out

She has been Gay for donkeys years

[Rufus]

Amanda

[Amy Jade]

Think of it though as someone slagging your close friend off and trying to get you to agree with them....would you? If someone had tried to get me to bitch about one of my friends after going round everyone and talking behind her back, I wouldn't let them speak either.

Well I wouldn't be friends with a miserable hag like Ann so unfortunately I cannot put myself in said position.

[lewis111]

It's not about who's been gay for longer anyway? It's about who's doing a better job representing them now - the one who's trying to educate people on wby homophobia is wrong or the person trying to stop that person doing that

[Jay.]

clearly shane, YES he's gone on a bit but Amanda is in the wrong here.

[Amy Jade]

Not saying when she came out

She has been Gay for donkeys years

No she hasn't. She was too scared to come out until 2002 because of people like Ann Widdecome.

[poppsywoppsy]

Well I wouldn't be friends with a miserable hag like Ann so unfortunately I cannot put myself in said position.

Why do you have to call her names, it demeans your point of view.

[Lilac hills]

I don’t want agressive delirious manipulative idiots like Shane j representing gay people

You want to coexist among people, let other people exist too. Stop trying to bulldoze your views on Ann and when things don’t go ur way isolate her

[Kazanne]

But to be fair I'm sti not sure what it was all about as they both seemed to be arguing over different things

He was dissing her for her political views,AGAIN,Amanda said she didn't care and that she liked Ann ,Wayne told him aswell CBB is not a soapbox,it's a game show and he would not be drawn into it, I just wonder what Shane J is hoping to achieve:shrug: as he wont change Anns mind.

[Vicky.]

Amanda. Shane was terrible tonight. Kind of wish he had not got his letter as that seemed to be what set him off properly..though he was already sniping on about Jess too

[poppsywoppsy]

No she hasn't. She was too scared to come out until 2002 because of people like Ann Widdecome.

She hasn't kept it a secret as I knew of it and so did others

[AnnieK]

Well I wouldn't be friends with a miserable hag like Ann so unfortunately I cannot put myself in said position.

Its hypothetical though....:shrug: but whatever.

In this instance, Amanda for loyalty over Shane Js bitching to everyone but Ann

[Kazanne]

Why do you have to call her names, it demeans your point of view.

Exactly and people declare they were brought up respectfully:shrug: it doesn't make sense

[Amy Jade]

Why do you have to call her names, it demeans your point of view.

Because I want to. Put me on ignore if you want :)

[Morgan.]

Amanda brought up irrelevant past transgressions (Courtney's wardrobe malfunction) to make a point about not judging people on past transgressions... and then walked off without hearing a response... so um... Shane.

This

[Amy Jade]

Its hypothetical though....:shrug: but whatever.

In this instance, Amanda for loyalty over Shane Js bitching to everyone but Ann

How is it hypocritical?

[Ant.]

Exactly and people declare they were brought up respectfully:shrug: it doesn't make sense

I don't really see why you're bringing up how Amy Jade was raised?

She's lovely and I don't see how you can judge how she was brought up based on a comment about Ann

[poppsywoppsy]

I am so pleased to hear Gay posters do not want Shane representing them.

It shows people are individuals with their own choices, views and lifestyles.

A drag queen from Australia is good for entertainment but telling you how and what you should be, is arrogance beyond belief.

[Jamie89]

Both. They just have a different approach to Ann and different opinions as to how they feel about her and react differently to her, neither of them are actually wrong and both perspectives are understandable. Amanda lived a long time closeted and the views that Ann holds were more acceptable for most of Amanda's life so it's more 'normal' for her and easier to look past, whereas Shane's lived with more freedom to express anti-homophobic views and I think their differences mainly come down to that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Because I want to. Put me on ignore if you want :)

Just wanted better for you.

[joeysteele]

No surprise from me,Shane J.

The lgbt rights issue is important to him.
He is a gay man,brushing his concerns aside was wrong.

The one thing he was unwise in was not directly asking her if she was prepared to discuss her feelings on lgbt rights.

My guess is she would have.

However I'd stand with Shane on this.
Amanda came across really bad,extremely bad in fact.
In my.opinion.

[Jamie89]

Amanda. Shane was terrible tonight. Kind of wish he had not got his letter as that seemed to be what set him off properly..though he was already sniping on about Jess too

Yeah I think the combination of the letter and his cheers/surviving the eviction is what set him off. I don't think he's actually wrong with the stuff he's saying about Ann though.

[chuff me dizzy]

Shane was left high and dry and looking the total twat he is ,if I hear those fecking words LGBT again in my lifetime it will be too soon ,enough is enough **** You snivelling backstabbing little coward

[Vanessa]

No surprise from me,Shane J.

The lgbt rights issue is important to him.
He is a gay man,brushing his concerns aside was wrong.

The one thing he was unwise in was not directly asking her if she was prepared to discuss her feelings on lgbt rights.

My guess is she would have.

However I'd stand with Shane on this.
Amanda came across really bad,extremely bad in fact.
In my.opinion.

I agree. Her tone was almost aggressive? I didn't like it at all.

[joeysteele]

I agree. Her tone was almost aggressive? I didn't like it at all.

It's important to him.
It would be nice to think people genuinely in favour of equal lgbt rights understood feelings on that.

Lgbt rights are greatly improved, no thanks at all for any from Ann Widdecombe.
Just still dismissing gay people and their concerns shows,in my view, only intolerance.

[odd sock]

I am so pleased to hear Gay posters do not want Shane representing them.

It shows people are individuals with their own choices, views and lifestyles.

A drag queen from Australia is good for entertainment but telling you how and what you should be, is arrogance beyond belief. Thank you. :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Lilac hills]

I am so pleased to hear Gay posters do not want Shane representing them.

It shows people are individuals with their own choices, views and lifestyles.

A drag queen from Australia is good for entertainment but telling you how and what you should be, is arrogance beyond belief.

<gay and in agreement

[rusticgal]

Amanda...without a doubt.

[jaxie]

No she hasn't. She was too scared to come out until 2002 because of people like Ann Widdecome.

SO you aren't gay until you come out in public? Well that's a new one. Here I was thinking you were born gay and telling people was your own business not the definition of your sexuality.

[poppsywoppsy]

I agree. Her tone was almost aggressive? I didn't like it at all.

She disliked the way Shane J incessantly puts his interests before anyone else, even when asked not to.

He has been banging on for weeks, they must be heartily sick of him.

When people of the same sexual persuasions tell him enough is enough, you think he would take the hint.

So then, this is where you walk away.

[smudgie]

Amanda, and Wayne.
Both more or less said the same thing to him. Wayne had already spoken to Amanda about Shane going on Ann and her politics so she wasn't having any of it when he tried to do the same to her.
Absolutely no need for him bringing up her voting against abortion either.
Low blow, and getting at her past political voting history to try and blacken her name is a disgrace.
He knows her choices were based on her religious beliefs, and she hasn't made anything personal in there.

[Vicky.]

Amanda, and Wayne.
Both more or less said the same thing to him. Wayne had already spoken to Amanda about Shane going on Ann and her politics so she wasn't having any of it when he tried to do the same to her.
Absolutely no need for him bringing up her voting against abortion either.
Low blow, and getting at her past political voting history to try and blacken her name is a disgrace.
He knows her choices were based on her religious beliefs, and she hasn't made anything personal in there.

Yes, that came across as especially desperate. Trying to back Amanda into a corner tbh..

Was quite odd, really. Hes been so composed up til now

[Vanessa]

I also didn't like Amanda scuttling off to tell all about her argument with Shane to ann. Tonight I feel disappointed in her.

[lewis111]

At the same time though you could argue that Amanda bringing the skirt thing into made no sense and was just an oppertunity to take a jab at him when she saw one

[Vanessa]

At the same time though you could argue that Amanda bringing the skirt thing into made no sense and was just an oppertunity to take a jab at him when she saw one

That's what I thought. Ans one of the reasons I'm disappointed in Amanda. I thought she was better than this. It was a cheap shot.

[Vicky.]

Genuinely do not know where the skirt thing came from or what it had to do with the argument tbh :laugh: But I do agree it was false and for attention (though funny), but it seemed...random to bring it up. Have a feeling there was other things we missed throughout the day/night that would have made it all make more sense :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Genuinely do not know where the skirt thing came from or what it had to do with the argument tbh :laugh: But I do agree it was false and for attention (though funny), but it seemed...random to bring it up. Have a feeling there was other things we missed throughout the day/night that would have made it all make more sense :laugh:

I thought it was funny. Made me laugh on launch night :joker:

[smudgie]

Genuinely do not know where the skirt thing came from or what it had to do with the argument tbh :laugh: But I do agree it was false and for attention (though funny), but it seemed...random to bring it up. Have a feeling there was other things we missed throughout the day/night that would have made it all make more sense :laugh:

Her way of letting him know she was on to him.:joker:

[Lilac hills]

Genuinely do not know where the skirt thing came from or what it had to do with the argument tbh :laugh: But I do agree it was false and for attention (though funny), but it seemed...random to bring it up. Have a feeling there was other things we missed throughout the day/night that would have made it all make more sense :laugh:

I think that was a jab at Shane j’s whole intention with that conversation, him bringing up irrelevant things to manipulate and demean people. She showed that she and it wasn’t nice, nor was it relevant tho I believe that to be the point

[poppsywoppsy]

I also didn't like Amanda scuttling off to tell all about her argument with Shane to ann. Tonight I feel disappointed in her.

So it was Ok for Shane J to talk about Ann to Wayne, Malika, Ashley & Jess.

Yet you feel disappointed in Amanda spoke to Ann

No level playing field here

[joeysteele]

After all the hype to it,I felt it a letdown.

He should have directly asked Ann if she'd be prepared to discuss the issue with him.
I feel sure she would have.

Amanda seemed all over the place and looked bad,not even listening to him at all.
Also Ann was right when she said in there is surprising there hasn't been more rows.
A non event really for me.

[Vanessa]

After all the hype to it,I felt it a letdown.

He should have directly asked Ann if she'd be prepared to discuss the issue with him.
I feel sure she would have.

Amanda seemed all over the place and looked bad,not even listening to him at all.

A non event really for me.
Amanda was taking a cheap shot at him. Why mention the wardrobe malfunction? It had nothing to do with their discussion.

[AnnieK]

I also didn't like Amanda scuttling off to tell all about her argument with Shane to ann. Tonight I feel disappointed in her.

Were you disappointed at the bitching Shane was doing? Or at all the bitching Andrew did? You yourself said they all bitch when andrew was doing it. Fairs fair Ness.....considering the argument was about Ann, Amanda was well within her rights to tell Ann about it

[Vanessa]

Were you disappointed at the bitching Shane was doing? Or at all the bitching Andrew did? You yourself said they all bitch when andrew was doing it. Fairs fair Ness.....considering the argument was about Ann, Amanda was well within her rights to tell Ann about it
Ann and Amanda have done their fair share of bitching as well.

[Stormy]

Amanda was taking a cheap shot at him. Why mention the wardrobe malfunction? It had nothing to do with their discussion.

She was making a point to Shayne’s throwing out Ann’s voting record on abortion. Shayne got the message.

Amanda’s a smart lady and will not be emotionally or intellectually manipulated by Shayne.

[Cherie]

Ann and Amanda have done their fair share of bitching as well.

Who have they bitched about? They have discussed things that have happened in the house, I have seen neither bitching for the sake of it

[Vanessa]

She was making a point to Shayne’s throwing out Ann’s voting record on abortion. Shayne got the message.

Amanda’s a smart lady and will not be emotionally or intellectually manipulated by Shayne.

Shane was just saying his opinion. I thought Amanda just took a shot at him, without allowing him to reply. Which annoyed me.

[Vanessa]

Who have they bitched about? They have discussed things that have happened in the house, I have seen neither bitching for the sake of it

It's still bitching to me.

[AnnieK]

Ann and Amanda have done their fair share of bitching as well.

Oh I am not denying that, I agreed with you at the time, they all bitch but you said you were disappointed with amanda when they are all guilty of doing the same so I was asking if you were as disappointed in Shane going round the whole house bitching?

[Vanessa]

Oh I am not denying that, I agreed with you at the time, they all bitch but you said you were disappointed with amanda when they are all guilty of doing the same so I was asking if you were as disappointed in Shane going round the whole house bitching?

I'm disappointed in Amanda because she didn't let Shane answer and just ran off. I didn't like that.

[Lilac hills]

Did you not like all the bitching manipulating isolating and bullying Shane j did

Or did you ignore it because you like him

If ann did those things you’d be calling it out

[AnnieK]

I'm disappointed in Amanda because she didn't let Shane answer and just ran off. I didn't like that.

But...by the same token Shane didn't give ann the opportunity to speak as he talked about her to everyone BUT her.

[joeysteele]

Amanda was taking a cheap shot at him. Why mention the wardrobe malfunction? It had nothing to do with their discussion.

Oh,I agree.
Amanda seemed all over the place.
For me,she came across the worse of all involved.
Shane J,Wayne,Malika and Ann.

I've found Amanda a total disappointment in this series

[Vicky.]

Amanda was taking a cheap shot at him. Why mention the wardrobe malfunction? It had nothing to do with their discussion.

Nor did Anns views on abortion

[poppsywoppsy]

I'm disappointed in Amanda because she didn't let Shane answer and just ran off. I didn't like that.

They are all fed up to the back teeth of his preaching, preaching preaching.

I would run off too.

[GoldHeart]

Not saying when she came out

She has been Gay for donkeys years

i'm 100% on Amanda's side

Plus she's been around alot longer than him . She's older and wiser and she doesn't have time for a jumped up idiot like him to tell her how she should or shouldn't be feeling towards their rights and Ann's views :bored:

Shane J was patronising and insufferable , he's going to sit there and tell an old woman in her 80's about Ann's political views affecting them :facepalm: . Amanda and Wayne aren't interested in those topics and they've probably been through alot more in their life than he ever will .

Don't people find it suspect that now that Andrew has gone , he's pushing the same topic even more and he keeps targeting Ann.

[ginkgo]

Amanda brought up irrelevant past transgressions (Courtney's wardrobe malfunction) to make a point about not judging people on past transgressions... and then walked off without hearing a response... so um... Shane.

this easily