You want a real role mode for lgbt?

[Lilac hills]

Look no further than Amanda

Instead of getting people to be part of culty movements and demanding rights, Amanda teaches to just be happy and accept people for who they are and not trivial things, and be thankful to receive it back

Amanda went through a period of time where gays had no rights at all, Shane whines about people refusing to call him his drag name

[lewis111]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shane J embarrassed himself tonight

And his 'Community'

[Lilac hills]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Shane is trying to bulldoze people and not allow them to coexist

Amanda appreciates Ann for Ann and won’t incriminate we for views she held for 50 years of her life on fking cbb

[Underscore]

Not being funny but Amanda is hardly at the forefront for the fight for LGBT rights

[Shaun]

Nothing says pride like waiting until you're 67 to come out, after all

[HBIC]

Not being funny but Amanda is hardly at the forefront for the fight for LGBT rights
exactly

I get Amanda fans are trying to find ways to make her look good but it's not working. LOL @ Amanda being a lgbt role model.

[Denver]

As She said he is making complaints about things in a country he has no rights in when she is the one married to a women and knows what the rights in the UK are.

The UK are years ahead of his country when it comes to equal rights

[Crimson Dynamo]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Ann is a democraticly elected politician

Shane is a drag woman

Ann's opinions count like em or not, she put her neck on the line for democracy

Shane is a mouth on a stick

[Jay.]

i think i'll pick my own role model tyvm :love:

[Amy Jade]

Nothing says pride like waiting until you're 67 to come out, after all

I mean this :laugh:

[lewis111]

Shane is trying to bulldoze people and not allow them to coexist

Amanda appreciates Ann for Ann and won’t incriminate we for views she held for 50 years of her life on fking cbb

Amanda can do as she likes, but if we are talking about a true role model for LGBT people it cannot be someone who is defending a homophobe and trying to shut someone up for trying to educate that homophobe

[Denver]

Nothing says pride like waiting until you're 67 to come out, after all

So your trying to say an 80 year old lesbian should have less rights in her country then a foreigner who knows only tittle tat?

[Natawho]

Nothing says pride like waiting until you're 67 to come out, after all

This is the most ignorant and ridiculous comment I've ever seen, and for this place, that's a real achievement. What a ****ing stupid thing to say.

[lewis111]

So your trying to say an 80 year old lesbian should have less rights in her country then a foreigner who knows only tittle tat?

Yes that is the exact point Shaun was making there

[Lilac hills]

Amanda can do as she likes, but if we are talking about a true role model for LGBT people it cannot be someone who is defending a homophobe and trying to shut someone up for trying to educate that homophobe

They’re not defending homophobia

Lgbt people Demand so often that people let them live as they wish

Yet Shane wishes to change someone’s perception and when this doesn’t work he isolates them

Amanda is as tolerant as others as she wishes to expect back, I think that’s highly noble

[Shaun]

So your trying to say an 80 year old lesbian should have less rights in her country then a foreigner who knows only tittle tat?

Adam I get that basic reading comprehension isn't your forte so I'll keep this simple: No I didn't say that. I said I wouldn't see her as "a real role model for LGBT".

[lewis111]

You can have your opinions on both of them but you can't seriously think Shane has been a bad role model for LGBT people, or less so than Amanda
He's talked about it so often and educate so many, all Amanda has done is try to shut him up

[Underscore]

Amanda has done nothing for LGBT rights in this country.

Did she campaign for LGBT rights at any point? No she just sat there like a lemon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

[Denver]

Adam I get that basic reading comprehension isn't your forte so I'll keep this simple: No I didn't say that. I said I wouldn't see her as "a real role model for LGBT".

Why should a bully be seen more of a role model then an older woman? Literally sexism and ageism from you

[Shaun]

This is the most ignorant and ridiculous comment I've ever seen, and for this place, that's a real achievement. What a ****ing stupid thing to say.

I'll try not to lose sleep over that, whoever you are.

[Vicky.]

Amanda can do as she likes, but if we are talking about a true role model for LGBT people it cannot be someone who is defending a homophobe and trying to shut someone up for trying to educate that homophobe

She didn't do that. Shane was not talking to Ann about her views, he was talking behind her back to everyone else to try and get them to gang up on Ann. Big difference between trying to educate her, and trying to turn the house against her.

[Denver]

Amanda has done nothing for LGBT rights in this country.

Did she campaign for LGBT rights at any point? No she just sat there like a lemon.

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman

[lewis111]

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman

She doesn't HAVE to but if you're going to be considered more of an LGBT role model than Shane you probably should have

[HBIC]

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman
if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

[Kazanne]

She didn't do that. Shane was not talking to Ann about her views, he was talking behind her back to everyone else to try and get them to gang up on Ann. Big difference between trying to educate her, and trying to turn the house against her.

Very good point Vicky

[Lilac hills]

if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

Yes she can

More so than Shane j he’s more detrimental to this community than good

[Denver]

if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?

[Underscore]

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

[odd sock]

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[lewis111]

She didn't do that. Shane was not talking to Ann about her views, he was talking behind her back to everyone else to try and get them to gang up on Ann. Big difference between trying to educate her, and trying to turn the house against her.

I suppose so, but then Amanda should have used that as her argument instead of saying he isn't a platform for LGBT people or whatever she said and then go on to say that he doesn't have the right to challanges Ann's views

[Lilac hills]

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

What has Shane j done for lgbt rights other than whine about being called Shane instead of Courtney despite him not being trans?

[AnnieK]

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

[Denver]

She doesn't HAVE to but if you're going to be considered more of an LGBT role model than Shane you probably should have

But she is a role model to let everyone know you don't have to run the streets and shout you are gay from the rooftops every second.

Being gay shouldn't define who you are but Shane wants it to define who he is

[lewis111]

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?

Why is it UK exclusive

[poppsywoppsy]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Amanda embraces everyone. She doesn't want to educate, who said anyone wants Shane's education, he is as rigid in his views as Ann is in hers, that's why they clash.

How many times was he told not to keep on about Gay rights by Gay people and he totally ignored it and kept on and on.

A first class bore.

[Denver]

Why is it UK exclusive

Because he is the one making a song and dance about Ann's past voting in UK votes

[lewis111]

But she is a role model to let everyone know you don't have to run the streets and shout you are gay from the rooftops every second.

Being gay shouldn't define who you are but Shane wants it to define who he is

No, he just isn't happy that people still believe he isn't equal to straight men and what's to change that and show that he is equal
Amanda is happy people think she's less than straight people because of how she was born

[Underscore]

What has Shane j done for lgbt rights other than whine about being called Shane instead of Courtney despite him not being trans?

He wasn't born in the generation that changed LGBT rights. Amanda was.

[HBIC]

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?
why just limit it to the UK? And no don't give me the "this is a British show" excuse. The celebrity edition of this show has housemates from all over the world.

[Lilac hills]

Amanda teaches acceptance, Shane j demands acceptance

[Vicky.]

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

Indeed. Agree with every word.

[Withano]

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

Youre gonna lose your **** at Lgbtqqiaap

[Natawho]

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

Finally a bit of sweetcorn in this cesspit

[Oliver_W]

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

It's LGBT.

If we get silly and add Q and I, it might end with LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414398/wesleyan-now-offering-lgbttqqfagpbdsm-housing-not-typo-katherine-timpf)being taken seriously :joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

I think you may have had little insight into how it was in Amanda's early life.

There were gay women who came out like Dusty Springfield and Maggie Bell.

They did more for Gay rights in the 50/60s by being in the public eye and LGBT were nowhere so they do not have the monopoly on how it has become today.

I would gladly accept Amanda's concept of her Gay life but would run a mile at these activists who want to ramrod their views down people's throats. In my view they are turning people off rather than welcoming them.

They work on a shame agenda, if you are not with us, you are homophobic and I find this attitude far more destructive than building relations in the community.

[odd sock]

Not being funny but Amanda is hardly at the forefront for the fight for LGBT rightsWhy because she doesn't shout about it from the roof tops every five minutes ? She is a credit to the gay community, just a lovely normal lady.

[lewis111]

I get that what Shane did and they way he went about it were wrong, and Amanda saying Ann is not dictating her views is also true

But from what I interpreted from the show it seemed like Amanda was telling Shane he has no right to challange Ann's views rather than he has no right to bitch about her and gang up on them - that's all she had to say and it would be clear she made more sense
She's fine to accept Ann and like her for the person but saying that Shane has to do that as well

[lewis111]

LGBTQ makes the most sense as Q is an umblress term for all others

[chuff me dizzy]

Look no further than Amanda

Instead of getting people to be part of culty movements and demanding rights, Amanda teaches to just be happy and accept people for who they are and not trivial things, and be thankful to receive it back

Amanda went through a period of time where gays had no rights at all, Shane whines about people refusing to call him his drag name

:clap1: Shanes done their cause no good at all in fact set it back ,as all he's shown in the house is a demanding, self serving little twat

[Denver]

How can Shane be a role model when all he brags about is dressing up in drag to pull straight guys?

[Oliver_W]

LGBTQ makes the most sense as Q is an umblress term for all others

What "others" are there?

[rph]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do


Agreed!

Amanda has turned into Ann's lapdog

Shane J is a perfect role model

[lewis111]

What "others" are there?

People who identify as Anything other than Straight, Gay, Lesbian or bisexual

[lewis111]

I've watched it back a couple times and I'm almost certain they're both having different arguments

[Oliver_W]

People who identify as Anything other than Straight, Gay, Lesbian or bisexual

Such as ... ? What else is there?

[Vicky.]

LGBTQ makes the most sense as Q is an umblress term for all others

Totally disagree tbh. I have loads of gay mates and so many of them still find queer an insult.

Actually many of them also want the T removed, as T is nothing to do with sexuality where LGB obviously are.

[poppsywoppsy]

Shane's way of educating is to shame and blame and by goodness doesn't he sulk when told to back off by Gays.

He has reverted to a nasty little sneak, who tittle tattles in corners to whoever will listen.

Since his love interest has left, he doesn't get the blind support, even Malika and Ashley were not on his side tonight and he sulked and sulked

He acts like a 6 year old when he is not the centre of attention. Some role model.

[Lostie!]

Why should a bully be seen more of a role model then an older woman? Literally sexism and ageism from you

You're outdoing yourself, I'll give you that

[Denver]

You're outdoing yourself, I'll give you that

So you agree that an 82 year old lesbian can not b seen as a role model?

[Lilac hills]

So you agree that an 82 year old lesbian can not b seen as a role model?

No because she doesn’t shout ‘IM GAY’ everytime she walks in a room duh

[rusticgal]

Shane J embarrassed himself tonight

And his 'Community'


A poor representation with a huge chip on his shoulder..lhe needs to lighten up and enjoy himself...live and let live.
Turned into a right little bitch tonight trying to get Ashley and Wayne turn on Ann....just like Malika trying to get Jess to turn on her. They both failed miserably...
I think Shane J is trying to get revenge for Andrew...but he is failing miserably.
3 gay people in the house and 2 of them like Ann despite any opinion she might have...what does that tell you.

[lewis111]

So you agree that an 82 year old lesbian can not b seen as a role model?

She CAN be seen as a role model if she does the right things

[Lilac hills]

A poor representation with a huge chip on his shoulder..lhe needs to lighten up and enjoy himself...live and let live.
Turned into a right little bitch tonight trying to get Ashley and Wayne turn on Ann....just like Malika trying to get Jess to turn on her. They both failed miserably...
I think Shane J is trying to get revenge for Andrew...but he is failing miserably.
3 gay people in the house and 2 of them like Ann despite any opinion she might have...what does that tell you.

It tells you people are more than their political standpoints and that people can find common ground and be friends despite different views, which is a great message that Amanda honed in on

[Denver]

She CAN be seen as a role model if she does the right things

By shouting she is gay from the rooftops?

[Oliver_W]

She CAN be seen as a role model if she does the right things

What does she need to do? What rights are LGBT people missing?

[Denver]

What does she need to do? What rights are LGBT people missing?

A gay man has more rights then a woman

[Lostie!]

So you agree that an 82 year old lesbian can not b seen as a role model?

That's not quite what was said now is it but I think you know that perfectly well

[poppsywoppsy]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Some realistic people are educated enough to realise a drag queen on a reality show would not be their first choice of educating them on anything.

[Oliver_W]

A gay man has more rights then a woman

So it could be said every woman HM who doesn't fight for women's rights is a bad female icon, regardless of how successful and intelligent she is

[Denver]

That's not quite what was said now is it but I think you know that perfectly well

so what is the problem in coming out at an older age? she never felt the need to have a coming out party

[chuff me dizzy]

A poor representation with a huge chip on his shoulder..lhe needs to lighten up and enjoy himself...live and let live.
Turned into a right little bitch tonight trying to get Ashley and Wayne turn on Ann....just like Malika trying to get Jess to turn on her. They both failed miserably...
I think Shane J is trying to get revenge for Andrew...but he is failing miserably.
3 gay people in the house and 2 of them like Ann despite any opinion she might have...what does that tell you.

Shane was loading Waynes gun hoping he would fire his bullets for him, is this what happened with Andrew ? was i right all along that Shane was the instigator ? He tried it with Amanda twice now and both times the gun has backfired, but tonight it turned into an assault weapon and shot him right up the arse

[GoldHeart]

Look no further than Amanda

Instead of getting people to be part of culty movements and demanding rights, Amanda teaches to just be happy and accept people for who they are and not trivial things, and be thankful to receive it back

Amanda went through a period of time where gays had no rights at all, Shane whines about people refusing to call him his drag name

:clap1:

I actually did this reaction when Shane J moaned about Ann "disrespecting" him by not calling him courtney when he's in drag .

https://s18.postimg.org/svvucdj5l/Sorrowful_Mediocre_Europeanfiresalamander-max-1mb.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Ashley.]

Why do gay people have to be role models? If I was gay, I'd hate to feel as though I'm required to adjust my behaviour so as not to give people a reason to hate all gay people. We don't make generalisations about straight people based on one straight man or woman so I don't see why people who have entered the house and happen to be gay are constantly under fire for not setting a good enough example.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look no further than Amanda

Instead of getting people to be part of culty movements and demanding rights, Amanda teaches to just be happy and accept people for who they are and not trivial things, and be thankful to receive it back

Amanda went through a period of time where gays had no rights at all, Shane whines about people refusing to call him his drag name

and dont forget in week one he said he did not care what name people call him


soon changed his tune when being called out by Ann


Problem with Shane is he just wants likes but the veil soon slips when people realise what is behind it...

[Robodog]

and dont forget in week one he said he did not care what name people call him


soon changed his tune when being called out by Ann


Problem with Shane is he just wants likes but the veil soon slips when people realise what is behind it...

Exactly !!

In SHANE'S OWN WORDS he has described Courtney as 'superficial' !

When HE is the one giving mixed messages - he can't expect others to be consistent !!

[jaxie]

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Shane isn't trying to educate. He is trying to isolate and incriminate her some of the very things a role model for a group who have been treated in the same way should never do.

[Black Dagger]

Can people who don't give a **** about LGBT rights stop pretending they're activists.