Amanda and Wayne and a terrible representation of the gay community

[luvjustin]

And YES they are part of the gay community and YES they are representing said community. Whether they like it or not.

Amanda especially just refuses to accept that people like Anne could have made her life very different if they had gotten their way. Just like India she refuses to acknowledge the work of gay people who have come before her. Things like this matter.

“I’m fine dear, nothing to do with me” The attitude stinks. She has lived her life as somewhat of a pampered celebrity so yeah, maybe she hasn’t been affected so much but the rights she now holds certainly have.

Shane mentioned women’s rights and the Amanda’s first response is “and men’s rights!” Says it all really. She’s the sort of person to respond to “black lives matter” with “all lives matter”. Missing the point completely.

It all makes me very sad, especially coming from older gay people.

[Vicky.]

Why the bloody hell do they have to be representatives of the gay community? just because they are gay? This means you have to be representing gay issues constantly rather than just being yourself?!

[Denver]

Why does being gay have to define you as a person?

[Lilac hills]

She was right on everything

Ended Shane j and other victim complex far left idiots

[Cherry Christmas]

They didn’t go in to represent anything other than themselves :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

They are BEST representation ,they don't expect to be put on this pathetic whining, self absorbed pedestal that others do

[chuff me dizzy]

She was right on everything

Ended Shane j and other victim complex far left idiots

Ate him up and spat him out, just as Wayne and Ashley did too

[luvjustin]

Because they are public figures and they are on TV.

And being gay might not be ALL you are but it’s a HUGE part! And I don’t mean you have to be out there in gay bars all the time or even at prides events or marches. You just have to be respectful of the people who do get involved. For YOU.

And as gay person you are going to stand there and defend the likes of Anne there I have a major problem with that.

[Lilac hills]

Would you rather have malicious Shane j turning everyone against Ann because she doesn’t agree with him representing your community or Amanda who loves people for who they are not the 2829292 labels attached to them and their views

[Natawho]

Because they are public figures and they are on TV.

And being gay might not be ALL you are but it’s a HUGE part! And I don’t mean you have to be out there in gay bars all the time or even at prides events or marches. You just have to be respectful of the people who do get involved. For YOU.

And as gay person you are going to stand there and defend the likes of Anne there I have a major problem with that.

If your sexuality is a huge part of your personality then you must be such a wet flannel at parties jesus christ

[Christmas Dynasnow]

There is no bloody community ffs

Its a fecking saying

:laugh2:

[rph]

Because they are public figures and they are on TV.

And being gay might not be ALL you are but it’s a HUGE part! And I don’t mean you have to be out there in gay bars all the time or even at prides events or marches. You just have to be respectful of the people who do get involved. For YOU.

And as gay person you are going to stand there and defend the likes of Anne there I have a major problem with that.

:clap1::clap1:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Would you rather have malicious Shane j turning everyone against Ann because she doesn’t agree with him representing your community or Amanda who loves people for who they are not the 2829292 labels attached to them and their views

Well said

[luvjustin]

There is no bloody community ffs

Its a fecking saying

:laugh2:

Funny. Bless you.

[Vicky.]

Because they are public figures and they are on TV.

And being gay might not be ALL you are but it’s a HUGE part! And I don’t mean you have to be out there in gay bars all the time or even at prides events or marches. You just have to be respectful of the people who do get involved. For YOU.

And as gay person you are going to stand there and defend the likes of Anne there I have a major problem with that.

They did not defend Anns views though. Neither of them did. Wayne basically said he knows nothing about her views (for all he knew Shane was making it up to stir **** really) and even if he did, he was not going to randomly attack her for them just because Shane was pushing him to. Amanda did not defend Anns actual views either. But had a problem with Shane (and Malika but more Shane) going behind Anns back rather than to her face. I reckon thats a fair point tbh

You can stick up for someone as a person without agreeing with all their views :shrug:

[Paula D]

Because they are public figures and they are on TV.

And being gay might not be ALL you are but it’s a HUGE part! And I don’t mean you have to be out there in gay bars all the time or even at prides events or marches. You just have to be respectful of the people who do get involved. For YOU.

And as gay person you are going to stand there and defend the likes of Anne there I have a major problem with that.Bull****, at 82 years of age Amanda doesn't need to represent anyone except herself.

I feel sorry for people who think that their sexuality is the most important thing about them. It's pathetic.

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[Jamie89]

Why the bloody hell do they have to be representatives of the gay community? just because they are gay? This means you have to be representing gay issues constantly rather than just being yourself?!

Yeah this for me too really. I don't want people in CBB to represent me I just want to watch a light entertainment show. I don't think any housemate has ever represented a 'community' in Big Brother, which shows that aside from their sexuality they're all just individual people. It's great to have a cause and everything but people don't need to have one and they certainly shouldn't be held to different standards based on their sexuality.

[Gusto Brunt]

I thought Wayne and Amanda were just people. I didn't know they were representing anyone or anything.

[chuff me dizzy]

There is no bloody community ffs

Its a fecking saying

:laugh2:

And a very silly saying too . I know countless gays who are not part of a " community" they are themselves and no one represents them, never mind an idiot in a tv reality show

[Paula D]

We're talking about a woman who has lived during a war and you have the neck to think that she owes you something.

This really does make me angry.

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[luvjustin]

What if Wane and Amanda were black? And Anne had voted against black people marrying eachother? Would you think it odd that they ignored her views then?

[chuff me dizzy]

I thought Wayne and Amanda were just people. I didn't know they were representing anyone or anything.

They both made it clear tonight they are just people, must to Shanes shock, he tried to get them on board his plan to out Ann but by God did it backfire on him

[Lilac hills]

Amanda and Wayne are more than their sexuality, skin colour, gender identity, billing address, eye colour

Trivial things like that are all that Shane has going for him hence why it now defines him

[BENDERBOY]

Pet gays, safe to have around the children and dear old granny.

[Vicky.]

No I still would not find it odd. Funnily enough, people with all kinds of views can get along pretty well whilst also disagreeing with each others views.

Whataboutery annoys me a lot tbh :laugh:

[luvjustin]

Pet gays, safe to have around the children and dear old granny.

Exactly! Why didn’t I just say that! Haha

[chuff me dizzy]

What if Wane and Amanda were black? And Anne had voted against black people marrying eachother? Would you think it odd that they ignored her views then?

They're not

[Oliver_W]

I'm the "B" in "LGBT" but if I was expected to be an "example" of anything should I get in BB, I'd hate it. It doesn't matter that I'm LGBT, no-one cares these days. It's like saying I should represent people who wear Converse.

[Denver]

This is why there are so many problems.

Because only young good looking people who constantly shout their gender or sexuality around the streets are seen as role models

[Paula D]

What if Wane and Amanda were black? And Anne had voted against black people marrying eachother? Would you think it odd that they ignored her views then?Now that's just silly isn't it?

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[Gusto Brunt]

They both made it clear tonight they are just people, must to Shanes shock, he tried to get them on board his plan to out Ann but by God did it backfire on him

Shane is obsessed with his sexuality. Someone needs to tell him his sexuality is a small part of him as a person.

It's not everything about him. And nor should it be. But he has this huge axe to grind.

[luvjustin]

Now that's just silly isn't it?

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It’s exactly the same thing. Exactly.

[Paula D]

It’s esactly the same thing. Exactly.No it's really not son.

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[luvjustin]

No it's really not son.

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I’d like to know how you think it differs..

[poppsywoppsy]

What if Wane and Amanda were black? And Anne had voted against black people marrying eachother? Would you think it odd that they ignored her views then?

You are not going to change Ann or history.

Accept that she will not change, try not to over analyse or you will just go round in circles.

Ann is not the worst, her day has passed and she is an elderly lady on a TV show.

Is she really worth all this angst and dragging up old hurts because it doesn't hurt her it only hurts you. Xx

[HBIC]

It’s exactly the same thing. Exactly.
Don't waste your time.

The arguments used against same sex marriage were mostly used against interracial marriage 50-60 years ago in the US (yeah I know this is a British show, it's just an example). But people don't care because homophobia is not taboo.

[luvjustin]

You are not going to change Ann or history.

Accept that she will not change, try not to over analyse or you will just go round in circles.

Ann is not the worst, her day has passed and she is an elderly lady on a TV show.

Is she really worth all this angst and dragging up old hurts because it doesn't hurt her it only hurts you. Xx

And I wouldn't try to. My point was about Amanda and Wane’s constant backing of someone who thinks the way they live their lives to be abhorrent.

[Oliver_W]

And I wouldn't try to. My point was about Amanda and Wane’s constant backing of someone who thinks the way they live their lives to be abhorrent.

When has she said it's abhorrent?

[Cherry Christmas]

And I wouldn't try to. My point was about Amanda and Wane’s constant backing of someone who thinks the way they live their lives to be abhorrent.

This is not the case

[Lilac hills]

And I wouldn't try to. My point was about Amanda and Wane’s constant backing of someone who thinks the way they live their lives to be abhorrent.

They’re not backing her views, they’re backing her as a person

They’re understanding and being tolerant of the fact that people can find common ground despite conflicting political standpoints, which is something Shane j needs to learn to do

[luvjustin]

They’re not backing her views, they’re backing her as a person

They’re understanding and being tolerant of the fact that people can find common ground despite conflicting political standpoints, which is something Shane j needs to learn to do

But your views ARE who you are! The way we see the world is everything we are. I will keep bringing this back to the race allegory; if she had voted against black rights would you be defending two people of colour who chose to stand by her.

[Lilac hills]

But your views ARE who you are! The way we see the world is everything we are. I will keep bringing this back to the race allegory; if she had voted against black rights would you be defending two people of colour who chose to stand by her.

You are not your political standpoints and the labels you decide to yell at the top of ur lungs or give to other people

[luvjustin]

You are not your political standpoints and the labels you decide to yell at the top of ur lungs or give to other people

If our view points are not who we are, and our sexuality, race or gender is not who we are.. then who the **** are we?!

[Lilac hills]

If our view points are not who we are, and our sexuality, race or gender is not who we are.. then who the **** are we?!

We are people

[poppsywoppsy]

If our view points are not who we are, and our sexuality, race or gender is not who we are.. then who the **** are we?!

People will walk away if you keep shouting about your rights.

We all have rights, we all have things we don't like about our lives, make the best of what you have and stop whining.

[luvjustin]

We are people

Well, that’s cleared that up

[Lilac hills]

I am not my eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, sexuality

If you wish to make trivial things define u go ahead

[luvjustin]

People will walk away if you keep shouting about your rights.

We all have rights, we all have things we don't like about our lives, make the best of what you have and stop whining.

I can’t with this child.

[luvjustin]

I am not my eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, sexuality

If you wish to make trivial things define u go ahead

Have another drink, you’ve stopped making sense

[Oliver_W]

Have another drink, you’ve stopped making sense

It makes sense - we don't say "I'M A LOUD PROUD BLUE EYED PERSON, GET OVER IT!" do it, because blue eyes don't affect us as a person. Centering your personality around being gay makes as much sense as doing so around your eye colour.

[Lilac hills]

Have another drink, you’ve stopped making sense

Ok but like ur doing this community damage if u think all that people should be about is their sexuality or their views about sexuality

People are more complex than that have u ever interacted with dynamic human beings

[Livia]

And a very silly saying too . I know countless gays who are not part of a " community" they are themselves and no one represents them, never mind an idiot in a tv reality show

We don't always agree, you and I Chuff, but I totally agree with you on this. All my gay friends are just part of the wider community, with a mixture of friends... I don't understand why people would want to section themselves off in the way some gay people want. Everyone has opinions, if we're going to scrutinise everyone to make sure they're views are "acceptable" before deciding whether they're good or bad, we're all going to be pretty lonely.

[luvjustin]

Ok but like ur doing this community damage if u think all that people should be about is their sexuality or their views about sexuality

People are more complex than that have u ever interacted with dynamic human beings

I didn’t say it was ALL we are. I said it’s a big part. And I honestly believe it is. Like I already stated if you spend 17/18 years in the closet. Denying who you are. Then having to come out. Then finding your tribe. It’s going to affect your life.

[Oliver_W]

I didn’t say it was ALL we are. I said it’s a big part. And I honestly believe it is. Like I already stated if you spend 17/18 years in the closet. Denying who you are. Then having to come out. Then finding your tribe. It’s going to affect your life.

Why does your "tribe" need to change from the set of friends and family you already have? I don't know a single person through "being LGBT", but I do have LGBT friends I picked up along the way through living my life.

[Paula D]

I’d like to know how you think it differs..When did anyone ever try to stop black people marrying each other?

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[luvjustin]

We don't always agree, you and I Chuff, but I totally agree with you on this. All my gay friends are just part of the wider community, with a mixture of friends... I don't understand why people would want to section themselves off in the way some gay people want. Everyone has opinions, if we're going to scrutinise everyone to make sure they're views are "acceptable" before deciding whether they're good or bad, we're all going to be pretty lonely.

I don’t spend my time in gay bars and clubs either. Not very often anyway. I still consider myself a part of the wider gay community.

And I will always judge people on their views and opinions. It’s who they are. If I meet someone at a bus stop and have a pleasant conversation I’m not going to pursue a friendship with said person if they start spouting rubbish about foreigners coming over and stealing our jobs. Or talking about banging birds or any of the usual stuff you hear from your average bigot.

[luvjustin]

When did anyone ever try to stop black people marrying each other?

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Exactly. It’s a ridiculous conceit it’s it?

[Lilac hills]

Ik a lot of gay people who only hang around with other gay people, me myself I haven’t let it really dictate social groups or anything because I don’t think it should. People are people. I like a person for their whole package not just a common sexuality

[Paula D]

Exactly. It’s a ridiculous conceit it’s it?No it's a ridiculous analogy but you carry on making them up.

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[Robertocarlo]

And YES they are part of the gay community and YES they are representing said community. Whether they like it or not.

Amanda especially just refuses to accept that people like Anne could have made her life very different if they had gotten their way. Just like India she refuses to acknowledge the work of gay people who have come before her. Things like this matter.

“I’m fine dear, nothing to do with me” The attitude stinks. She has lived her life as somewhat of a pampered celebrity so yeah, maybe she hasn’t been affected so much but the rights she now holds certainly have.

Shane mentioned women’s rights and the Amanda’s first response is “and men’s rights!” Says it all really. She’s the sort of person to respond to “black lives matter” with “all lives matter”. Missing the point completely.

It all makes me very sad, especially coming from older gay people.

You have struck the nail on the head eloquently. Yes, had Ann got her way there would have been NO equal marriage nor age of Consent for Gay men. I cannot believe how both Wayne and Amanda shove their heads in the sand. They're a disgrace to the LGBT Community to which neither clearly now belong!

[luvjustin]

Why does your "tribe" need to change from the set of friends and family you already have? I don't know a single person through "being LGBT", but I do have LGBT friends I picked up along the way through living my life.

I’m the same as you. Not much changed with the people I had around me. Luckily. But I’ve worked with LGBT societies at uni and with charities and in community centres for years and there are tons and tons of kids who’s whole lives get turned upside down when they come out.

Not everyone is as lucky as us. And these people a lot of the time creat their own family’s within the gay community. It’s a very common thing

[Paula D]

You have struck the nail on the head eloquently. Yes, had Ann got her way there would have been NO equal marriage nor age of Consent for Gay men. I cannot believe how both Wayne and Amanda shove their heads in the sand. They're a disgrace to the LGBT Community to which neither clearly now belong!So people who are not haters are thrown out of the "community".

Nice

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[luvjustin]

No it's a ridiculous analogy but you carry on making them up.

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It’s a perfectly sound analogy that you have thus far refused to actually address. But that’s fine.

[luvjustin]

So people who are not haters are thrown out of the "community".

Nice

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I think the implication was more that they have purposely removed themselves from said community

[luvjustin]

Maybe I'm just naive, but I just can't imagine someone's mindset equating to "you are attracted to the same gender as yourself/you were born in the wrong body, therefore I dislike you"

Wait, what?

So you don’t believe homophobia is a even a thing? Or am I wildly missing your point?

[poppsywoppsy]

You have struck the nail on the head eloquently. Yes, had Ann got her way there would have been NO equal marriage nor age of Consent for Gay men. I cannot believe how both Wayne and Amanda shove their heads in the sand. They're a disgrace to the LGBT Community to which neither clearly now belong!

But there is now, why keep on about it

You might have a point if it didn't happen but it has

Wayne and Amanda know more about the Gay life by the very choice of their careers in the entertainments industry, Gay rights didn't start when LGTB came on the scene.

Why an Australian drag queen can think he knows more than two worldly people who have lived many more years and have much more experience is arrogant nonsense. Amanda said she knew Danny La Rue who would knock Shane J act into next year if he was still alive.

Going round in circles as someone wrote on here, recently, gets you nowhere.

[Robertocarlo]

So people who are not haters are thrown out of the "community".

Nice

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No, that's not what I meant. I was saying that neither now considered themselves part of the LGBT Community - nobody was throwing them out?!

In other words they both appeared to be so unbothered that they'd aligned themselves to an arch homophobe, who voted over both their rights to marry a same sex partner, that they didn't consider themselves as Gay. This is referred to as being 'self loathing' - where a person cannot properly come to terms with their 'sexuality' and instead rebels internally and sides with homophobes.

[poppsywoppsy]

No, that's not what I meant. I was saying that neither now considered themselves part of the LGBT Community - nobody was throwing them out?!

In other words they both appeared to be so unbothered that they'd aligned themselves to an arch homophobe, who voted over both their rights to marry a same sex partner, that they didn't consider themselves as Gay. This is referred to as being 'self loathing' - where a person cannot properly come to terms with their 'sexuality' and instead rebels internally and sides with homophobes.

Can't you see they have risen above all that and got to know the person.

What is so hard to understand.

Neither Amanda or Wayne can be thought of a self loathing, where did that come from, two more people at terms with their sexuality and lifestyle would be hard to find.

They are not so dogmatic or judgmental that they have to keep bashing others over the head to agree with them.

Would others copy them and just be happy.

[odd sock]

Ik a lot of gay people who only hang around with other gay people, me myself I haven’t let it really dictate social groups or anything because I don’t think it should. People are people. I like a person for their whole package not just a common sexuality Once again we agree but the trouble with a lot of gays who bang on about wanting equality is that they actually want the opposite, they hate the idea of being equals, they want to stand out as being different and be given special treatment, they will try and cause division at every chance they get, bleating on about their rights all the time, they neither want to or have any intention of fitting in, they are some of the worst bigots I know and like Shane J they do not represent me.

[poppsywoppsy]

Once again we agree but the trouble with a lot of gays who bang on about wanting equality is that they actually want the opposite, they hate the idea of being equals, they want to stand out as being different and be given special treatment, they will try and cause division at every chance they get, bleating on about their rights all the time, they neither want to or have any intention of fitting in, they are some of the worst bigots I know and like Shane J they do not represent me.

I so agree, they ask for equality, get it and then want to stretch the boundaries and become special.

No one is special.

[bots]

its your individuality that defines you, if you attach yourself to a cause, its entirely the right of the individual to do that, but they then become part of the herd and lose their individuality. They think and behave like a single organism losing their individuality. It may be nice for people that can't think and act for themselves, but it doesn't leave any room for growing as a person. It is a shallow existence

[Tom4784]

They are BEST representation ,they don't expect to be put on this pathetic whining, self absorbed pedestal that others do

I'll translate this post

'They are BEST representation, they keep quiet and don't acknowledge the problems that the non-majority have so I don't find them threatening.'

As for the rest of your post, people fighting for equal rights and for the right to not be scared that they will be without family or friends or a roof over their heads if they dare share their truth are not 'whining' or 'self absorbed'. You have no ****ing clue what it's like and you lack the empathy to ever understand it. You should be thankful for the former but saddened by the latter, your life would be richer for it if you could empathise with people outside of your own viewpoints and situation.

[camertone]

And YES they are part of the gay community and YES they are representing said community. Whether they like it or not.

Amanda especially just refuses to accept that people like Anne could have made her life very different if they had gotten their way. Just like India she refuses to acknowledge the work of gay people who have come before her. Things like this matter.

“I’m fine dear, nothing to do with me” The attitude stinks. She has lived her life as somewhat of a pampered celebrity so yeah, maybe she hasn’t been affected so much but the rights she now holds certainly have.

Shane mentioned women’s rights and the Amanda’s first response is “and men’s rights!” Says it all really. She’s the sort of person to respond to “black lives matter” with “all lives matter”. Missing the point completely.

It all makes me very sad, especially coming from older gay people.

100% agree.

[Garfie]

I'll translate this post

'They are BEST representation, they keep quiet and don't acknowledge the problems that the non-majority have so I don't find them threatening.'

As for the rest of your post, people fighting for equal rights and for the right to not be scared that they will be without family or friends or a roof over their heads if they dare share their truth are not 'whining' or 'self absorbed'. You have no ****ing clue what it's like and you lack the empathy to ever understand it. You should be thankful for the former but saddened by the latter, your life would be richer for it if you could empathise with people outside of your own viewpoints and situation.

:clap1: Well said.

[Christmas Lights]

Why does being gay have to define you as a person?

Thankyou!!! :clap1:

Shane J is on a mission to turn the house against Ann , he's very sly & bitchy!! .

And quite frankly he's become another India , he's playing the same card over and over again . He has no substance he's embarrassing :bored: .

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I still like Wayne, but I last night show has put me off Amanda. She was so passive aggressive. If someone had talked to me like that i would have kicked off. I respect Shane so much for remaining calm.

[Christmas Lights]

I still like Wayne, but I last night show has put me off Amanda. She was so passive aggressive. If someone had talked to me like that i would have kicked off. I respect Shane so much for remaining calm.

Remaining calm??? :facepalm: he's a patronising sly snake !! .
in last night's HL show he had an unhealthy obsession with Ann , i lost count the amount of times the voice over kept saying "Ann is still the topic" or "Ann is still on Shane J's mind" :bored:.

[Garfie]

I still like Wayne, but I last night show has put me off Amanda. She was so passive aggressive. If someone had talked to me like that i would have kicked off. I respect Shane so much for remaining calm.

There was something unpleasant about the way in which Amanda spoke last night and it put me off her too.

[Christmas Lights]

There was something unpleasant about the way in which Amanda spoke last night and it put me off her too.

What about Shane J's constant bitchiness of Ann , wasn't that unpleasant? .
Amanda was sticking up for Ann and she's clearly fed up of the same political debate on Ann's views on the LGBT community .

Shane J has nothing to give the public now that Andrew's gone his showmance has ended, so now he's pulling an India and playing the victim with this same card , Ann hasn't hurt him in any way yet he continues to pursue this vendetta towards her which is very uncomfortable and tiresome to watch :facepalm:.

Amanda clearly told Shane J she's friends with Ann and it doesn't matter to her what Ann's views are as she's not there to grill Ann .

[Ammi]

...I do understand ShaneJ in feeling he tries to represent the gay community in a way he feels is best...that’s just him and the person he is and thinking of the wider community, rather than just himself and how/whether he’s been impacted personally by inequality...Wayne didn’t even appear to know of Ann’s opposing to legislation that had enabled him to marry his partner, which is obviously a big part of his life...Amanda did seem to know but she’s obviously married as well, so maybe really was just thinking about herself and how she might feel ‘equal’...but many don’t, well they don’t because ‘equality’ still isn’t there so the ‘struggle’ goes on...in the context of work and my working life, there have been gay colleagues...some of who have married or had civil partnerships...because of their chosen profession/vocation in life...the simplest of things are denied them...things like saying ‘my husband and I’ did this, went there also or did that etc ...or showing wedding photographs because those photos show two guys on their special day...anyways, some things that wouldn’t apply in a heterosexual relationship...so although there are civil partnerships now and although there is marriage also..there is still the struggle for true equality ..and that’s the wider picture that Shane sees...but not the wider picture that Amanda and Wayne are looking at.../..all just different people I guess..

[Ammi]

..it just feels with ShaneJ that if he speaks about things that are important to him and a big part of his life..it’s all me, me, me and hush up will you..but if he ‘assumes’ to speak and represent a wider community beyond the me, me, me thoughts..it’s how very dare you, just speak for yourself really ...so can’t really do right for doing wrong...:laugh:...

[Christmas Lights]

..it just feels with ShaneJ that if he speaks about things that are important to him and a big part of his life..it’s all me, me, me and hush up will you..but if he ‘assumes’ to speak and represent a wider community beyond the me, me, me thoughts..it’s how very dare you, just speak for yourself really ...so can’t really do right for doing wrong...:laugh:...

Did you watch last night's show ??? :facepalm: , all he did was bitch about Ann as he tried planting seeds of doubt in other hm's heads about her . Why were Him & Malika trying to force Wayne to confront Ann ?? :suspect: .

Shane J is fighting an imaginary battle in his head and he's losing :crazy:, only Malika his fellow mean girl is on his side. The other hm's don't have time for arguments and repetitive BS .

Shane J needs to wake up and smell the coffee, he's not the only one who's had struggles or who's faced problems. And why did he bring up the abortion argument !! he's literally attacking all Ann's views for the sake of it .

[Ammi]

Did you watch last night's show ??? :facepalm: , all he did was bitch about Ann as he tried planting seeds of doubt in other hm's heads about her . Why were Him & Malika trying to force Wayne to confront Ann ?? :suspect: .

Shane J is fighting an imaginary battle in his head and he's losing :crazy:, only Malika his fellow mean girl is on his side. The other hm's don't have time for arguments and repetitive BS .

Shane J needs to wake up and smell the coffee, he's not the only one who's had struggles or who's faced problems. And why did he bring up the abortion argument !! he's literally attacking all Ann's views for the sake of it .

...indeed I did watch it, GoldHeart...my thoughts are about the ‘representation of the gay community’, which is the thread title and OP...not about bitching or any other aspect, that’s all kind of another thing...but no, I didn’t agree in regards to ‘bitching’ with Malika or his approach to Wayne...but then I also didn’t agree with Amanda and what she ‘threw at’ him either ...I didn’t see any ‘right’ in either of them with some aspects...it’s obvious that Shane has allowed Ann to get under his skin as it were which so often sadly happens in that confined environment...

[Garfie]

What about Shane J's constant bitchiness of Ann , wasn't that unpleasant? .
Amanda was sticking up for Ann and she's clearly fed up of the same political debate on Ann's views on the LGBT community .

Shane J has nothing to give the public now that Andrew's gone his showmance has ended, so now he's pulling an India and playing the victim with this same card , Ann hasn't hurt him in any way yet he continues to pursue this vendetta towards her which is very uncomfortable and tiresome to watch :facepalm:.

Amanda clearly told Shane J she's friends with Ann and it doesn't matter to her what Ann's views are as she's not there to grill Ann .

I agree with you that Shane has been bitching about Ann, and I admire Amanda for showing the loyalty to defend Ann when she wasn't there to defend herself. She did sound as if she had built up a lot of resentment about Shane's actions and let it all pour out last night. There was just something about the way she did it that I found uncomfortable.

[jaxie]

And YES they are part of the gay community and YES they are representing said community. Whether they like it or not.

Amanda especially just refuses to accept that people like Anne could have made her life very different if they had gotten their way. Just like India she refuses to acknowledge the work of gay people who have come before her. Things like this matter.

“I’m fine dear, nothing to do with me” The attitude stinks. She has lived her life as somewhat of a pampered celebrity so yeah, maybe she hasn’t been affected so much but the rights she now holds certainly have.

Shane mentioned women’s rights and the Amanda’s first response is “and men’s rights!” Says it all really. She’s the sort of person to respond to “black lives matter” with “all lives matter”. Missing the point completely.

It all makes me very sad, especially coming from older gay people.

So what are you saying here, that Amanda and Wayne have to go out and preach the gospel of the LBGT or they aren't valid in some way? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? And frankly it smacks of bullying.

[Patricia4]

Ate him up and spat him out, just as Wayne and Ashley did too

Your right there Chuff I loved it good for the three of them.

[luvjustin]

So what are you saying here, that Amanda and Wayne have to go out and preach the gospel of the LBGT or they aren't valid in some way? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? And frankly it smacks of bullying.

No. They can sit back and chill and reap all the awards of the work other people have put in for them. That’s fine. But just don’t get angry and defencive when people call you out for your support of a woman who in the past has tried her hardest to make sure your rights are less than other people’s.

[Cherry Christmas]

No. They can sit back and chill and reap all the awards of the work other people have put in for them. That’s fine. But just don’t get angry and defencive when people call you out for your support of a woman who in the past has tried her hardest to make sure your rights are less than other people’s.


You could say that about just about any group, not everyone is going to be politically active, or go on marchs or whatever, they have the right to live their lives as they please, Shane J is trying to ram his views down their throats, it is not a good look.

[luvjustin]

What about Shane J's constant bitchiness of Ann , wasn't that unpleasant? .
Amanda was sticking up for Ann and she's clearly fed up of the same political debate on Ann's views on the LGBT community .

Shane J has nothing to give the public now that Andrew's gone his showmance has ended, so now he's pulling an India and playing the victim with this same card , Ann hasn't hurt him in any way yet he continues to pursue this vendetta towards her which is very uncomfortable and tiresome to watch :facepalm:.

Amanda clearly told Shane J she's friends with Ann and it doesn't matter to her what Ann's views are as she's not there to grill Ann .

He is just frustrated watching to “gay” people ally themselves to someone with Anne’s views. Watch the episode again if you need to. He never once incited any kind of bullying. He was simply discussing Anne and her repugnanct views. I really don’t think people understand thenunderlining evil in this woman. **** her age. She’s a ****. Andrew was right.

[luvjustin]

You could say that about just about any group, not everyone is going to be politically active, or go on marchs or whatever, they have the right to live their lives as they please, Shane J is trying to ram his views down their throats, it is not a good look.

Which is why I said that’s fine. Not everyone is an activist. I understand that.

[Cherry Christmas]

Which is why I said that’s fine. Not everyone is an activist. I understand that.

so because they are not interested politically and just want to live their lives the way they want to, they must be abused for not having a row, I really don't get your thinking at all

[Cherry Christmas]

He is just frustrated watching to “gay” people ally themselves to someone with Anne’s views. Watch the episode again if you need to. He never once incited any kind of bullying. He was simply discussing Anne and her repugnanct views. I really don’t think people understand thenunderlining evil in this woman. **** her age. She’s a ****. Andrew was right.

That is not his call to make, to badger other people into his way of thinking, personally I think he is doing it for his own promotion rather than anything else but we can agree to disagree on that

[luvjustin]

That is not his call to make, to badger other people into his way of thinking, personally I think he is doing it for his own promotion rather than anything else but we can agree to disagree on that

I love to watch the show everyone else seemed to have watched last night. The show where Shane got angry, raised his voice, incited any kind of bullying or name calling..

He answered some questions on a subject he feels strongly about. He quoted some facts about a member of the house.

He was shouted at. Repeatedly. And not giving any room to respond.

[Kazanne]

But your views ARE who you are! The way we see the world is everything we are. I will keep bringing this back to the race allegory; if she had voted against black rights would you be defending two people of colour who chose to stand by her.

So are you saying a Tory supporter cant be friends with a Labour supporter as their views are very different :shrug:

[hazyjo]

Loved what Amanda said. Don't see any problem with it. ShaneJ needs to stop forcing his opinions down people's throats and expecting people to react or back him. Amanda loves Ann for who she is, not what she believes in. She made that very clear. And Ann is entitled to those beliefs. So what. She does not have to agree to gay marriage. They didn't arrest/imprison everyone who opposed it when the vote went out y'know!

She is a staunch catholic - and I imagine most of her opinions come from the church. They have opposed abortion and gay marriage. Who the f' are we to tell them they can't believe what they choose to believe. (For the record, yes, I do think they're wrong - but why are my views superior to theirs?) I respect what others want/choose to believe. Gay anything - let alone marriage - was illegal in Ann's day. In fact, it was illegal in my bloody day (in Scotland - until 1980!!! Nineteen effin' eighty! The '80s feels like yesterday to me!). I don't believe it makes Ann homophobic.

Amanda to win. It's refreshing.

[luvjustin]

So are you saying a Tory supporter cant be friends with a Labour supporter as their views are very different :shrug:

If their views include the removal of basic rights of a group of people then yes.

If my family (some of whom live in the US) started supporting Trump I would distance myself. Not before doing my best to convince them otherwise.

[luvjustin]

Loved what Amanda said. Don't see any problem with it. ShaneJ needs to stop forcing his opinions down people's throats and expecting people to react or back him. Amanda loves Ann for who she is, not what she believes in. She made that very clear. And Ann is entitled to those beliefs. So what. She does not have to agree to gay marriage. They didn't arrest/imprison everyone who opposed it when the vote went out y'know!

She is a staunch catholic - and I imagine most of her opinions come from the church. They have opposed abortion and gay marriage. Who the f' are we to tell them they can't believe what they choose to believe. (For the record, yes, I do think they're wrong - but why are my views superior to theirs?) I respect what others want/choose to believe. Gay anything - let alone marriage - was illegal in Ann's day. In fact, it was illegal in my bloody day (in Scotland - until 1980!!! Nineteen effin' eighty! The '80s feels like yesterday to me!). I don't believe it makes Ann homophobic.

Amanda to win. It's refreshing.

People are nothing if not their views. And Anne's views make her textbook homophobic. Whether she has some little pet gay friends of not.

[hazyjo]

If she was homophobic she would not want to mix with gay people. No? Wouldn't she just be avoiding them?

Didn't know there was a textbook on it :hehe:

[Ammi]

..I think what Shane J was trying to convey is that it’s only politics/legislation that has enabled some to be able to have the equality to live their lives how they want to...ok, he might have not expressed that in the best of ways but I feel his frustration also about something that’s been essential to the living of some lives...

[luvjustin]

If she was homophobic she would not want to mix with gay people. No? Wouldn't she just be avoiding them?

Didn't know there was a textbook on it :hehe:

There are lots of text books on civil rights my friend. Children are taught about Stonewall in school. My 13 year old nephew learnt about it just last year.

And homophobia can be many things. One being exactly what Anne tried to do as a politician which was the removal that of basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality. Which are views she stands by and defends to this day.

[Cherry Christmas]

If their views include the removal of basic rights of a group of people then yes.

If my family (some of whom live in the US) started supporting Trump I would distance myself. Not before doing my best to convince them otherwise.


Okay I'm done, you would disown your family for their political views, yet you want full acceptance for yours :facepalm:

[Kazanne]

Loved what Amanda said. Don't see any problem with it. ShaneJ needs to stop forcing his opinions down people's throats and expecting people to react or back him. Amanda loves Ann for who she is, not what she believes in. She made that very clear. And Ann is entitled to those beliefs. So what. She does not have to agree to gay marriage. They didn't arrest/imprison everyone who opposed it when the vote went out y'know!

She is a staunch catholic - and I imagine most of her opinions come from the church. They have opposed abortion and gay marriage. Who the f' are we to tell them they can't believe what they choose to believe. (For the record, yes, I do think they're wrong - but why are my views superior to theirs?) I respect what others want/choose to believe. Gay anything - let alone marriage - was illegal in Ann's day. In fact, it was illegal in my bloody day (in Scotland - until 1980!!! Nineteen effin' eighty! The '80s feels like yesterday to me!). I don't believe it makes Ann homophobic.

Amanda to win. It's refreshing.

Great post :wavey:

[hazyjo]

Wasn't talking about civil rights - was talking about 'textbook on homophobia'.

In what way did Ann try to remove the basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality? By not approving gay marriage? Why is she not entitled to believe that? Like I said - a lot of her reasoning is because of her religion, and the fact those who opposed it have NOT all been jailed.

As for disowning family because they share different (MAJORITY actually I hasten to add!) views to you, well, that's your prerogative. Sounds very controlling and like a dictatorship to me though! Wasn't that how Hitler started...?

[luvjustin]

Okay I'm done, you would disown your family for their political views, yet you want full acceptance for yours :facepalm:

Sounds about right yeah. :blush:

[luvjustin]

Wasn't talking about civil rights - was talking about 'textbook on homophobia'.

In what way did Ann try to remove the basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality? By not approving gay marriage? Why is she not entitled to believe that? Like I said - a lot of her reasoning is because of her religion, and the fact those who opposed it have NOT all been jailed.

As for disowning family because they share different (MAJORITY actually I hasten to add!) views to you, well, that's your prerogative. Sounds very controlling and like a dictatorship to me though! Wasn't that how Hitler started...?

Her religion should have had nothing to do with her political stance. And if it did she should never have been in politics.

And in the extreme surcumstance thst my family would support someone like Trump then i think as a gay man I’d have every right to disown them.

[Cherry Christmas]

Wasn't talking about civil rights - was talking about 'textbook on homophobia'.

In what way did Ann try to remove the basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality? By not approving gay marriage? Why is she not entitled to believe that? Like I said - a lot of her reasoning is because of her religion, and the fact those who opposed it have NOT all been jailed.

As for disowning family because they share different (MAJORITY actually I hasten to add!) views to you, well, that's your prerogative. Sounds very controlling and like a dictatorship to me though! Wasn't that how Hitler started...?


makes no sense whatsever

[Cherry Christmas]

Sounds about right yeah. :blush:

You have lost all credibility.

[hazyjo]

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makes no sense whatsever

Was in response to the Trump comment. What is it you're confused about.

I don't see how someone can say 'you have to have the same views as me or I'll disown you'. Trump was voted in by a majority.

It's like the people on FB who say 'if you didn't vote for Corbyn, I'm deleting you off my FB friends list'.

Not exactly democratic, is it. Sounds very much like a dictatorship to me.

[Cherry Christmas]

Was in response to the Trump comment. What is it you're confused about.

I don't see how someone can say 'you have to have the same views as me or I'll disown you'. Trump was voted in by a majority.

It's like the people on FB who say 'if you didn't vote for Corbyn, I'm deleting you off my FB friends list'.

Not exactly democratic, is it. Sounds very much like a dictatorship to me.

I mean luvjustins views made no sense at all :laugh:

[luvjustin]

Was in response to the Trump comment. What is it you're confused about.

I don't see how someone can say 'you have to have the same views as me or I'll disown you'. Trump was voted in by a majority.

It's like the people on FB who say 'if you didn't vote for Corbyn, I'm deleting you off my FB friends list'.

Not exactly democratic, is it. Sounds very much like a dictatorship to me.

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

[hazyjo]

I mean luvjustins views made no sense at all :laugh:

Gotcha :hee:

[hazyjo]

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

Err, okay lol. I think you just hung yourself mate.

[luvjustin]

Err, okay lol. I think you just hung yourself mate.

Please explain to me exactly how I did that.

Try to be articulate.

[Parmy]

Shane js a disgrace to them too.

[Oliver_W]

Please explain to me exactly how I did that.

Try to be articulate.

People might have voted Trump because they didn't like Hillary, or they might be lifelong Republican voters who don't pay attention to the party leaders, or they might just have found him funny on the Apprentice and not care about politics, or they might have bought the daft yarn spun about how Hillary was sick and dying.

To just say NOPE IM DONE WITH YOU over something as nuanced as voting habits is a bit ... silly

[hazyjo]

Please explain to me exactly how I did that.

Try to be articulate.

If I choose to write with a London accent, so be it. Stop dictating. You're coming across very patronising and preachy! I didn't pull you up on a spelling mistake so don't tell me to be articulate.

You obviously cannot see that your comment which I quoted was contradicting what you're saying, so be it. I am not here to explain further to you if you're confused. Bored now.

[Kazanne]

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

I do think it's people like yourself that do the gay community a great dis service.Sorry but you are too aggressive and closeminded,you are telling people what they should think and do,it will never work,you are dictating.I wont be responding to you again

[luvjustin]

I do think it's people like yourself that do the gay community a great dis service.Sorry but you are too aggressive and closeminded,you are telling people what they should think and do,it will never work,you are dictating.

It works. It’s the only thing that does.

[Oliver_W]

It works. It’s the only thing that does.

It works to do what?

[Paula D]

It works. It’s the only thing that does.So please do tell, who's mind have you changed by screaming and shouting?

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[Saph]

I get what the OP is saying, I felt kind of disappointed in Amanda for just turning a blind eye, I thought she was better than that.

[ethanjames]

look however you say it or phrase it ann is homophobic and voted against lgbt right. if she wasn't homophobic she wouldn't vote against it and someone who is a gay person (or someone who cares about people) being against civil rights is bullcrap and more than an opinion. shane j is right. simple as

[Livia]

Her religion should have had nothing to do with her political stance. And if it did she should never have been in politics.

And in the extreme surcumstance thst my family would support someone like Trump then i think as a gay man I’d have every right to disown them.

People of faith in this country have the same rights and freedoms as gay people. It might surprise you to learn that. There are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Christians... all kinds of people in Parliament. And it was David Cameron, a Christian, who pushed through legislation to legalise gay marriage, much against the views of a significant part of his party membership.

And you would disown your family for political views, but expect them to support you 100% in your own views.

You demand a lot from people, considering how blinkered and bigoted your views are.

[Livia]

look however you say it or phrase it ann is homophobic and voted against lgbt right. if she wasn't homophobic she wouldn't vote against it and someone who is a gay person (or someone who cares about people) being against civil rights is bullcrap and more than an opinion. shane j is right. simple as

So I'll ask my question again.

What do you want them to do with Ann. We all know how offended everyone is, but how do they want to ease that offence? Hang her? Eject her? Tar and bloody feather her? What?

[Paula D]

So I'll ask my question again.

What do you want them to do with Ann. We all know how offended everyone is, but how do they want to ease that offence? Hang her? Eject her? Tar and bloody feather her? What?This is what I don't get. Gay marriage is now in so what else do people want.

Do they want Ann nailed to a cross?

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[bots]

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

[odd sock]

Shouldnt this be deleted seeing as i recieved an infraction for it?Like you I received an infraction for a very innocuous comment in reply to the same OP on this thread, asked mods for an explanation but no reply. :shrug:

[Kazanne]

look however you say it or phrase it ann is homophobic and voted against lgbt right. if she wasn't homophobic she wouldn't vote against it and someone who is a gay person (or someone who cares about people) being against civil rights is bullcrap and more than an opinion. shane j is right. simple as


She explained why she voted against it,and it wasn't because she dislikes gay people,do people ever listen.

[Paula D]

She explained why she voted against it,and it wasn't because she dislikes gay people,do people ever listen.Bigots won't listen to anyone Kaz.

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[Vicky.]

I cannot imagine disowning family for their political views.

Or only having friends who share my political beliefs. Or share the same opinions. So many of my friends are polar opposite on so many topics, but we all seem to get along pretty fine, arguments about views occasionally aside.

A fair few of my friends vote Tory, and actively agree with the Tories stance on cutting away from the disabled constantly. I am disabled myself. This causes some arguments from time to time if they dare bring up the 'loads of fakers' or some such rubbish in my presence but as adults, we are able to set aside our differences and get along despite disagreeing strongly. I am positive that if I had a friend who was an MP who voted for the draconian disability cuts I could still get on with them despite their abhorrent (IMO) views on that topic and how people with their views are directly affecting me right now. I could also, as a woman, be friends with someone who voted against womens rights. I suspect Amanda and Wayne are people quite like me. Who can ignore stuff like that. I get that some people are different and surround themselves solely with totally likeminded people and outcast anyone else...but many are not.

[Paula D]

Well said Vicky. A lot of people I no will vote against allowing abortion in Ireland in the upcoming referendum and that is completely their business.

I wouldn't try to FORCE my views on them and as long as they don't try to FORCE their views on me we'll remain friends for a long time.

It's like Amanda said "Live and let live". Stop making labels.

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[Paula D]

I actually think it's a life skill one only gets in life as you get older.

You realise there will be very few people left around you if you only keep the ones who agree with you on everything.

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[y.winter]

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the essence of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".

[Paula D]

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the sense of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".Very well said.

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[susie q]

As Wayne and Amanda pointed out Anns views, (plus others she really wasnt the only MP to vote against gay marriage) didnt prevent change, they were both still able to get married and move on with their lives. If they can both move on why cant Shane J and his supporters. Anyway I shall continue to vote the way I always do for CBB, I will judge the housemates on their behaviour whilst in the house, not for what they have done outside the house. Personally I dont like Shane J because of his bitchiness, which has now been directed at Jess as well as Ann. His bromance with Andrew, which made him look like a lap dog. Oh and his taking his clothes every 5 minutes is boring, and unoriginal. In fact he really is just a bog standard housemate, who happens to be gay.
Not at all interesting.

[Natawho]

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

I really wish you were born straight I don't want you pretending to speak for a community that you damage by being such an insolent brat

[Natawho]

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the essence of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".

Love this, so true. Amanda is a true LGBT role model, because people love her for being Amanda, her sexuality hasn't been brought up once because it's an insignificant part of her identity as a human being. She's just a pure human being.

[Natawho]

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

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It's hilarious how people are against dictatorships until it's their opinion that they want to be universal :laugh:

[Marsh.]

They are BEST representation ,they don't expect to be put on this pathetic whining, self absorbed pedestal that others do

Wanting to be treated like everyone is a "pedestal" now is it. :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

There is no bloody community ffs

Its a fecking saying

:laugh2:

Yes, and he's using the saying. :unsure:

[Christmas Lights]

Wanting to be treated like everyone is a "pedestal" now is it. :rolleyes:

Amanda & Wayne take Ann as she is , they don't force Ann to have the same opinions and views as them . They don't argue endlessly for acceptance. Because Ann has already accepted them for who they are.

Shane J respected Ann and even defended her against Andrew calling her the c word and a bitch yet he then started going on a bitch session himself about Ann, so explain why he was ok with Ann one minute then as soon as Andrew get's evicted he starts a hate campaign?? .

And now he's back to clearing the air again with Ann,Shane J is like dr jekyll mr hyde and it's all a game plan :bored: .

[Marsh.]

Amanda & Wayne take Ann as she is , they don't force Ann to have the same opinions and views as them .

Are you still spouting this rubbish. :sleep:

No one's forcing or trying to force Ann to change her views at all.

Next time, actually read and listen to people's arguments and the context of them before resorting to rubbish, you might actually learn something.

[Christmas Lights]

Are you still spouting this rubbish. :sleep:

No one's forcing or trying to force Ann to change her views at all.

Next time, actually read and listen to people's arguments and the context of them before resorting to rubbish, you might actually learn something.

Don't be so condescending ! :suspect:
I know exactly what people have been saying , and i've read the same repetitive things over and over again :bored: . Its boring .

What exactly do you want Amanda & Wayne to do with Ann??? .

[Tom4784]

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

[pontyboi]

Why the bloody hell do they have to be representatives of the gay community? just because they are gay? This means you have to be representing gay issues constantly rather than just being yourself?!

Being gay is being yourself. Look it's nice for Anne and Amanda to be friends but at the end of the day Anne voted against her friend aka Amanda being able to marry someone she loves....isn't that pretty simple and very wrong?

Imo that's just wrong.

Anyone who disagrees with that needs their heads checked.

I heart that we can all co igsuist but Anne and many people out there's views are just ****ing bigoted and bordering on hate.

[pontyboi]

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

I actually agree with that to a certain degree but Ann doesn't approve of people of the same sex getting married and living they're lives together....probably because she's a catholic and has no life!

[Paula D]

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.Who does Ann hate?

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[Ammi]

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

...hmmm I don’t think it’s that, bots...with the like minded and tolerance thing because older people can be very intolerant and fixed in their views as well...But I do agree that maybe age plays a part...I think when you get older, you more live for the moment as it were because you realise your mortality more, so there might not be many moments left for you to live for..:laugh:...but when you’re younger, well obviously you’re going to live forever...well you know what I mean...so relating that to this, then in this moment of Wayne and Amanda’s lives, they’re able to enjoy their freedoms within sexuality, so they don’t feel inclined to ‘represent’ they just want to go about enjoying those present moments in their lives while they can and are able to, regardless of past things and regardless of any opposition Ann may have had etc..Shane’s perspective is different and as you say, he’s a much younger person...he does feel that representation is essential...why..?...well because despite legislation and laws etc having been passed, there is still in existence, huge intolerances and lack of acceptance of some sexualities, so it is indeed essential...so there is no right or wrong way of it all... but yes, he can only explain his way and his representation etc to them, he can’t force it on them as it be something they should be looking at as well...

[Cherry Christmas]

I actually agree with that to a certain degree but Ann doesn't approve of people of the same sex getting married and living they're lives together....probably because she's a catholic and has no life!

what a silly generalisation :laugh: if you said that about a different religion you would get a label for sure, and your bordering on hate comment is ironic given the amount of hate and pure vitriol that is coming Ann's way

[Christmas Lights]

what a silly generalisation :laugh: if you said that about a different religion you would get a label for sure, and your bordering on hate comment is ironic given the amount of hate and pure vitriol that is coming Ann's way

He's being hypocritical, he knows it's wrong to be homophobic yet he thinks it's ok to bash religion :bored: .

[Christmas Dynasnow]

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

calling a democratically elected MP voting in the commons as HATRED rather illustrate that the only hatred in this thread is coming via your keyboard


:idc:

[Marsh.]

Don't be so condescending ! :suspect:
I know exactly what people have been saying , and i've read the same repetitive things over and over again :bored: . Its boring .

What exactly do you want Amanda & Wayne to do with Ann??? .
I don't want Amanda and Wayne to do anything!

Don't claim you know what's being said and then come out with rubbish like that!

[Marsh.]

Amanda telling Shane he had to accept Ann and her views by accepting that she doesn't accept him and his views. :joker:

Amanda would fit in well on some of these ridiculous threads.

[Vicky.]

Being gay is being yourself. Look it's nice for Anne and Amanda to be friends but at the end of the day Anne voted against her friend aka Amanda being able to marry someone she loves....isn't that pretty simple and very wrong?

Imo that's just wrong.

Anyone who disagrees with that needs their heads checked.

I heart that we can all co igsuist but Anne and many people out there's views are just ****ing bigoted and bordering on hate.

Well of course, but every year we get these 'X is a bad/good representation for the gay community' when surely..most do not go in to represent the gay community to start with. IDK it seems a bit weird to me I guess. Obviously women are not a minority in the way gay people are but I cannot imagine going in and being expected to be a 'representative'. Its the same with black housemates actually..always get the 'X is making the black community look bad/good' or something when to me no, they are making themselves look bad, not a community. If that makes sense?

[Paula D]

Well of course, but every year we get these 'X is a bad/good representation for the gay community' when surely..most do not go in to represent the gay community to start with. IDK it seems a bit weird to me I guess. Obviously women are not a minority in the way gay people are but I cannot imagine going in and being expected to be a 'representative'. Its the same with black housemates actually..always get the 'X is making the black community look bad/good' or something when to me no, they are making themselves look bad, not a community. If that makes sense?

Totally agree, I don't think of anyone in the BB house representing any community.

[chuff me dizzy]

Totally agree, I don't think of anyone in the BB house representing any community.

Me neither, it shows they have no confidence in their own personality to win the show, they have to drag a label in with them

[poppsywoppsy]

Me neither, it shows they have no confidence in their own personality to win the show, they have to drag a label in with them

Amanda and Wayne had a long, long career behind them, they had no need of labels, affiliations or agendas to make them popular.

[Paula D]

Amanda and Wayne had a long, long career behind them, they had no need of labels, affiliations or agendas to make them popular.

That's precisely the difference between them.

[Tom4784]

calling a democratically elected MP voting in the commons as HATRED rather illustrate that the only hatred in this thread is coming via your keyboard


:idc:

You heard it hear folks, typing the word 'hatred' means you are just as hateful as a homophobe, excellent logic, there :clap1:

[Chero]

You have struck the nail on the head eloquently. Yes, had Ann got her way there would have been NO equal marriage nor age of Consent for Gay men. I cannot believe how both Wayne and Amanda shove their heads in the sand. They're a disgrace to the LGBT Community to which neither clearly now belong!
That's like saying that black people who don't spend all their time at work calling out people for racist things they said 22 years ago don't belong in the black community. Can't you see that tolerance means allowing everybody to have their own opinion and viewpoints, even when you think they're whack? I have plenty of neighbors (I live in California) who voted for Trump, and even though I'm a left wing hippie, I can still carry on conversations with them. Just because I'm heterosexual doesn't mean I have to agree with a "heterosexual point of view" on everything, whatever that would mean. I've known lots of lesbians over the years. Even though the thought of two women getting it on makes me think "YUCK yuck ewwwwwww", it doesn't bother me that they're gay, because it had nothing to do with why we were together. I once was part of a group that was concerned about police abuses, while I was living in Berkeley. Out of 20 women in the group (it was all women), I was the only straight one, but it just didn't matter. Our group didn't have anything to do with being gay/straight, but had to do with how the police were acting.

Sometimes it's just beside the point!

[Miranda123]

And YES they are part of the gay community and YES they are representing said community. Whether they like it or not.

Amanda especially just refuses to accept that people like Anne could have made her life very different if they had gotten their way. Just like India she refuses to acknowledge the work of gay people who have come before her. Things like this matter.

“I’m fine dear, nothing to do with me” The attitude stinks. She has lived her life as somewhat of a pampered celebrity so yeah, maybe she hasn’t been affected so much but the rights she now holds certainly have.

Shane mentioned women’s rights and the Amanda’s first response is “and men’s rights!” Says it all really. She’s the sort of person to respond to “black lives matter” with “all lives matter”. Missing the point completely.

It all makes me very sad, especially coming from older gay people.

Those older gay people, that you besmirch, spent years afraid of being locked up for their lifestyles, though you would never have thought it if you walked around the West End in the 60's, they were brave to be who they were without apology. and their 'fighting for rights' just involved them doing their own thing and not expecting everyone including Christians, Muslims to agree with them about their lifestyle, why should they give a f..k

As long as they can live their lifestyle freely, and not be persecuted, why the f..k do they need anyone to agree with it!!

Amanda's made a very good point when she said that she doesnt have to represent the 'community' she just judges people on who they are when she meets them, seems like a perfect way to live your life, to me

But noooo, the snowflake brigade are on the march and nothing other than complete agreement with the lifestyle will do

Rather like people with tattoos, or those who wear glasses they dont need, virtue signalling is the new black, and all you silly little f-ckers who have never had to fight for any freedom EVER, cause your predeccessors, gay and straight, did it for you already, including the right to screw who you like, will wear it like sackcloth and ashes until you curl up and dry!!!

Get Shane J Out and watch him cry like a bitch!

[Miranda123]

That's like saying that black people who don't spend all their time at work calling out people for racist things they said 22 years ago don't belong in the black community. Can't you see that tolerance means allowing everybody to have their own opinion and viewpoints, even when you think they're whack? I have plenty of neighbors (I live in California) who voted for Trump, and even though I'm a left wing hippie, I can still carry on conversations with them. Just because I'm heterosexual doesn't mean I have to agree with a "heterosexual point of view" on everything, whatever that would mean. I've known lots of lesbians over the years. Even though the thought of two women getting it on makes me think "YUCK yuck ewwwwwww", it doesn't bother me that they're gay, because it had nothing to do with why we were together. I once was part of a group that was concerned about police abuses, while I was living in Berkeley. Out of 20 women in the group (it was all women), I was the only straight one, but it just didn't matter. Our group didn't have anything to do with being gay/straight, but had to do with how the police were acting.

Sometimes it's just beside the point!


Unfortunately todays ignorants dont care about having a point, they just squeam and squeam and squeam...............nad have mini tantrums on marches lol

[Miranda123]

Well of course, but every year we get these 'X is a bad/good representation for the gay community' when surely..most do not go in to represent the gay community to start with. IDK it seems a bit weird to me I guess. Obviously women are not a minority in the way gay people are but I cannot imagine going in and being expected to be a 'representative'. Its the same with black housemates actually..always get the 'X is making the black community look bad/good' or something when to me no, they are making themselves look bad, not a community. If that makes sense?

And that was totally Amanda's point when she said she does not represent a 'community' she represents herself, and judges others on how they represent themselves, not their 'community

For me, referring to anything as a 'community' excludes all other people, and the young imbeciles in this country are now practising exclusion all over the place

[Paula D]

And that was totally Amanda's point when she said she does not represent a 'community' she represents herself, and judges others on how they represent themselves, not their 'community

For me, referring to anything as a 'community' excludes all other people, and the young imbeciles in this country are now practising exclusion all over the place

Also excluding gay people who don't follow the "rules".