Why does being LGBT have to define who you are?

[Denver]

Ive seen a few comments on her that every member of the LGBT community should campaign for equal rights.

But why should your sexuality have to define you? Why does it have to constantly be a talking subject? Why cant it be Something about you rather then who you are?

[Cal.]

It doesn't?

[Lilac hills]

Welcome to social justice! Everything has to have a label because feminism and lgbtqeheidjdnd owns the idea of equality

[Denver]

It doesn't?

Its not what some posters have said tonight

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It's all Shane J is

He has nothing else

[Oliver_W]

Being LGBT is a tiny, inconsequential aspect of who you are, I can never understand why people feel the need to make it one of their defining characteristics.

[Jamie89]

I'd imagine most people who don't have equal rights would want equal rights, surely? Not specific to sexuality, just as humans. Not everyone should have to campaign for them though, there's nothing wrong with showing respect for other people who campaign for them who have campaigned for them in the past though. The whole 'does it define you' thing, well no it doesn't but in terms of talking about equal rights it's other people who used sexuality to define and determine how lgbt people should be treated, so the 'being defined by' was imposed onto us and fighting for equal rights is a reaction to that and is actually a way towards no longer being defined by it and being treated the same as everyone else..

[HBIC]

because when that "tiny part" of you has been used to discriminate against you for so long, it becomes a big deal

[Underscore]

because when that "tiny part" of you has been used to discriminate against you for so long, it becomes a big deal

thanks for summing my views up.

[Denver]

because when that "tiny part" of you has been used to discriminate against you for so long, it becomes a big deal

Have you lived through the true discrimination though? because will tell you now the discrimination is nothing like it was

[Oliver_W]

Who in the BB house has been discriminated against for "so long" ?

[Amy Jade]

Have you lived through the true discrimination though? because will tell you now the discrimination is nothing like it was

Aren't you in your 20's? :suspect:

[Denver]

Aren't you in your 20's? :suspect:

Yes but im talking about when you use to be arrested for being gay and **** like that its pretty tame to how it was

[poppsywoppsy]

Get in line LGTB, equal rights for Pensioners, Disabled, Mental Health, NHS, and all the other groups under represented.

[Daniel.]

(morningafter)

[Denver]

Wayne and Amanda will now the real discrimination

[Withano]

because when that "tiny part" of you has been used to discriminate against you for so long, it becomes a big deal

This is kinda beautiful? In some sort of poetic way.

[chuff me dizzy]

because when that "tiny part" of you has been used to discriminate against you for so long, it becomes a big deal

Who discriminates against gay people ? its 2018 ffs, not 1918 .. get a bloody grip Im bored ****less of all the " Poor me " rubbish

[chuff me dizzy]

Get in line LGTB, equal rights for Pensioners, Disabled, Mental Health, NHS, and all the other groups under represented.

Hear Hear !!! sick of " gays have killed themselves" well for your information, so have people who have lost their homes ,jobs and DLA payments ,its not all about gays and their woes, others have problems too

[HBIC]

Who discriminates against gay people ? its 2018 ffs, not 1918 .. get a bloody grip Im bored ****less of all the " Poor me " rubbish

More than one in five LGBT people verbally or physically attacked due to their sexual orientation or gender identity in last 12 months, figures show

That's in the UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html

[chuff me dizzy]

That's in the UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html

Rough sleepers and countless random people have been attacked too ,but they don't matter ? Get over yourself

[Denver]

That's in the UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html

Now pull up the stats for women, People of different race or religion, Disabled and you will see that there is less of a problem

[HBIC]

Rough sleepers and countless random people have been attacked too ,but they don't matter ? Get over yourself
show me where I said they don't matter?

Don't put words in my mouth thanks.

[Lostie!]

Who discriminates against gay people ? its 2018 ffs, not 1918 .. get a bloody grip Im bored ****less of all the " Poor me " rubbish

Yeah the stories of assaults on gay people and gay youths committing suicide because of homophobic bullying are nonsense.

Hear Hear !!! sick of " gays have killed themselves" well for your information, so have people who have lost their homes ,jobs and DLA payments ,its not all about gays and their woes, others have problems too

How disgustingly callous.

[Lilac hills]

Yeah the stories of assaults on gay people and gay youths committing suicide because of homophobic bullying are nonsense.

Because a lot of people ‘don’t get it’ and need to be educated on what gay n all is

Do you think Shane pissing Ann off and turning the house against her is helping this cause?

Hes doing way more damage than good, especially since all there is about him are those stupid labels that he forces down your throat in every single interaction

[lewis111]

Now pull up the stats for women, People of different race or religion, Disabled and you will see that there is less of a problem

So people who are attacked or whatever for Brit LGBT isn't important because ethnic minorities or women have it worse?

[Denver]

So people who are attacked or whatever for Brit LGBT isn't important because ethnic minorities or women have it worse?

No im saying they are not the most discriminated as being claimed

[chuff me dizzy]

So people who are attacked or whatever for Brit LGBT isn't important because ethnic minorities or women have it worse?

EVERYONE matters,not just LGBT and the sooner this sinks in the better, why do you think gays are a special case and more important then anyone else ? Sheer bloody arrogance

[Jamie89]

Rough sleepers and countless random people have been attacked too ,but they don't matter ? Get over yourself

Now pull up the stats for women, People of different race or religion, Disabled and you will see that there is less of a problem

Women, disabled people, homeless people, people of different race and religions etc are all groups that can include gay people :laugh: The point being made was that some people discriminate against others regardless of what other 'category' they might fit in to specifically because they're gay... as it was claimed that that doesn't happen. (Yes other groups get discriminated against too but noone was actually denying that that happens).

[HBIC]

No im saying they are not the most discriminated as being claimed
who claimed they are being the most discriminated against? go on, quote the post that says that LGBT people are the most discriminated against.

[lewis111]

No im saying they are not the most discriminated as being claimed

No one said they were the most discriminated against, but they still are so there still needs to be a movement and people need to talk about it

[Oliver_W]

I had a look at the Independent (lol) article. Not to trivialise what they went through, but at least half of the attacks are probably not to do with LGBT. I got mugged once, and it didn't cross my mind it was for any reason other than looking like I was an easy target who might have money in his pocket.

I take issue with people shouting words in the street being included as well.

[Denver]

No one said they were the most discriminated against, but they still are so there still needs to be a movement and people need to talk about it

LGBT have a lot more rights then they realise within the UK

[lewis111]

EVERYONE matters,not just LGBT and the sooner this sinks in the better, why do you think gays are a special case and more important then anyone else ? Sheer bloody arrogance
Yes because everyone who supports LGBT equality doesn't believe in equality for ethnic minorities or women?
I know everyone matters! So do LGBT people!

[TomC]

delete

[lewis111]

LGBT have a lot more rights then they realise within the UK

Ok? They still face challanges that need to be brought up and talked about
I'm feeling your point here is no one can fight for LGBT right anymore because we've come a long way

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes because everyone who supports LGBT equality doesn't believe in equality for ethnic minorities or women?
I know everyone matters! So do LGBT people!

Change the bloody record, its worn out now

[Lilac hills]

Ffs can’t we all just agree Shane j is a vapid bully and move on

[lewis111]

Change the bloody record, its worn out now

No, homophobia is worn out - this is the age of equality so you're the one that needs to change the record

[Denver]

Ok? They still face challanges that need to be brought up and talked about
I'm feeling your point here is no one can fight for LGBT right anymore because we've come a long way
But they want things they cant have

[Withano]

I had a look at the Independent (lol) article. Not to trivialise what they went through, but at least half of the attacks are probably not to do with LGBT. I got mugged once, and it didn't cross my mind it was for any reason other than looking like I was an easy target who might have money in his pocket.

I take issue with people shouting words in the street being included as well.

If this were true, heterosexual attacks would be on par with homosexual attacks, it is because the two ratios are different that these conclusions could be made.

[lewis111]

Ffs can’t we all just agree Shane j is a vapid bully and move on

No because that is a point that can be argued but when people are saying that people who think LGBT deserve equality rights are looking for special treatment - it's disgusting and needs to be adressed

[lewis111]

But they want things they cant have

Like?

[Lilac hills]

No, homophobia is worn out - this is the age of equality so you're the one that needs to change the record

No this is the age of snowflake syndrome where social movements want special treatment not equal treatment

[lewis111]

No this is the age of snowflake syndrome where social movements want special treatment not equal treatment

Being against homopbia isn't a bad thing?

[Denver]

Like?

To change views which won happen the way they want

[luvjustin]

It’s not everything. But it’s a HUGE part. Most gay people grow up in constant repression of who they are. We grow up in a straight world. Where everything is geared towards straight people and that being the norm.

“Oh he’s gonna break some girls heart”

“She’s gonna make a great little wife”

“Boys don’t play with dolls”

Being straight is the enforced norm.

[Amy Jade]

Some of you disgust me I can't even quote some of it but wow.

[lewis111]

To change views which won happen the way they want

Are tou saying Trying to change homophobic is a bad thing?

[Lilac hills]

Being against homopbia isn't a bad thing?

No but there are better ways of fighting it than shoving it down people’s throats

[lewis111]

No but there are better ways of fighting it than shoving it down people’s throats

It's more brining awareness to this issue, which is a good thing

[Withano]

No this is the age of snowflake syndrome where social movements want special treatment not equal treatment

Take a glance through tibb since the series started and have a proper think about whether homosexual and transexual people are seen as equal by a group of big brother forum members.

[chuff me dizzy]

It’s not everything. But it’s a HUGE part. Most gay people grow up in constant repression of who they are. We grow up in a straight world. Where everything is geared towards straight people and that being the norm.

“Oh he’s gonna break some girls heart”

“She’s gonna make a great little wife”

“Boys don’t play with dolls”

Being straight is the enforced norm.

So do ginger kids and disabled children and kids with glasses ,wheres your pity for them ?

[lewis111]

Honestly if we were having this discussion about race then half the people In here would be banned but homophobia is still accepted in society it's weird

[Lilac hills]

I understand bringing awareness to something and I get it

But I just don’t get why that should equate to letting sexuality define you, as it does with people like Shane j

[Oliver_W]

It’s not everything. But it’s a HUGE part. Most gay people grow up in constant repression of who they are. We grow up in a straight world. Where everything is geared towards straight people and that being the norm.

“Oh he’s gonna break some girls heart”

“She’s gonna make a great little wife”

“Boys don’t play with dolls”

Being straight is the enforced norm.

I was never made to feel I was in "constant repression". Being straight is seen as normal because almost everyone is straight, and most boys and girls have interests which match their gender. Some girls like boy things, some boys like girl things. It's not seen as much of a big deal these days, just like being LGBT isn't.

When I came out, nothing changed apart from the gender which people said I might break the hearts of, or make a great partner for.

[lewis111]

I understand bringing awareness to something and I get it

But I just don’t get why that should equate to letting sexuality define you, as it does with people like Shane j

That is a valid point and I suppose I can see that but the topic of discussion seems to have drifted away from that to more extreme views that should not be accepted or defended

[Denver]

Are tou saying Trying to change homophobic is a bad thing?

It is the way it is being done

[Lostie!]

So do ginger kids and disabled children and kids with glasses ,wheres your pity for them ?

Why do you keep assuming that anybody who acknowledges the mere existence of homophobia can't possibly care about other issues too? It's a bizarre reach.

[lewis111]

It is the way it is being done

I believe if it's not violent or purposefully offensive it's fine

[luvjustin]

Honestly if we were having this discussion about race then half the people In here would be banned but homophobia is still accepted in society it's weird

It’s crazy isn’t it! Racism is still equally as bad a problem. Usually with the same people. But homophobia isn’t taken as seriously by the general population

[TomC]

So do ginger kids and disabled children and kids with glasses ,wheres your pity for them ?

'Pitying' one group doesn't mean there's no pity for other groups you ****ing nutjob. Get a life.

[Denver]

I believe if it's not violent or purposefully offensive it's fine

Have your say but then move on because if you shove it down the same persons throat they will hate it more

[Tom4784]

Who discriminates against gay people ? its 2018 ffs, not 1918 .. get a bloody grip Im bored ****less of all the " Poor me " rubbish

Nothing like a straight person telling gay people that discrimination against the LGBT doesn't exist.

You know nothing of what we face or have dealt with, don't ever pretend to.

[HBIC]

Have your say but then move on because if you shove it down the same persons throat they will hate it more
um no lol

go look up any civil rights movement. that's not how it works.

have any of you taken a history class before?

[Lilac hills]

Ik this discussion has gone elsewhere but just look at his vt
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Instead of hey I’m Shane Jenek I’m from x and this is my journey and triumphs in life it’s just labels labels labels labels

Idgi is it to compensate for lack of personality, and I’d forgive it if he was like a nice person

[Vicky.]

So so many posts in here that are at the very least borderline rulebreaks. I get that this is an emotive topic but there is no need for insults and such. Nor is homophobia tolerated on here. Will have a look though this properly tomorrow when I am less medicated.