Views on civil marriage.LW

[Kazanne]

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.
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[Cherry Christmas]

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness :laugh:

[waterhog]

very old school and not understanding things change.

allot of things we used to do in the past we now look back with shame.

[ChristmasNeeve]

It does seem to be a generational thing mostly

[Cherry Christmas]

very old school and not understanding things change.

allot of things we used to do in the past we now look back with shame.

is he not entitled to be old school? must everyone be singing from the same hymnsheet?

[luvjustin]

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

[luvjustin]

is he not entitled to be old school? must everyone be singing from the same hymnsheet?

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be shouted down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

[Kazanne]

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

[Kazanne]

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be soured down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

Calm down,blimey:nono:

[Cherry Christmas]

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be soured down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

:umm2: yay let's swop one oppressive attitude for another, is this your progress?

[Kazanne]

:umm2: yay let's swop one oppressive attitude for another, is this your progress?

They don't do their cause any favours do they, just so aggressive :shrug:

[luvjustin]

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Ah this argument. Ok.

This is usually the response when people are trying to stand up for the rights of a minority. Why can’t we all just have our own views? Why can’t we all have rights? What about the white man? Please.

The same response people (usually white people) have towards the “black lives matter” movement. Or “me too”.

Fighting for the rights of a minority group is not about making them special. It is about amking them equal.

[luvjustin]

They don't do their cause any favours do they, just so aggressive :shrug:

Aggression is sometimes the only way people will listen.

Stonewall being a prime example.

[joeysteele]

A few people found who were less likely to hold the view certain rights need not be changed.
Their word becomes Gospel.

Dismissing almost the vast majority of lgbt communities fighting for to be seen as equals with equal rights.

Those few people did not have power to vote in changes.
Ann did, you learn a fair bit about people once you see what they would do or do when they have influence or power.

[Alf]

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.You just sound a bit paranoid to me.

[Rustic bauble]

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be shouted down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.


It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

[luvjustin]

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

No.

I do not agree.

Live and let live changes nothing. Gets **** all done.

The world is not changed by sitting back and letting everything think their backwards opinions are valid.

[luvjustin]

You just sound a bit paranoid to me.

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

[Kazanne]

No.

I do not agree.

Live and let live changes nothing. Gets **** all done.

The world is not changed by sitting back and letting everything think their backwards opinions are valid.

The world has changed a lot since Anns , Amanda and Waynes day,and not all for the better, what exactly do you want ?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

wow what a horrible view of life :shocked:

[Kazanne]

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

That was years ago,she is retired ,she was not the only one to vote against it and she did explain her reason for doing so,but this is 2018 and a game show,none of the others have been judged on their past,so why her?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

and what did shanes parents vote for in Australia 20 years ago?

[Ammi]

...’we can’t just throw away everything, we have to hold on to some things’ is just his own perspective of Christopher Biggins being perfectly happy in his civil partnership, he doesn’t personally feel the need for marriage...which I think is the difference in a ‘how I’m affected personally in my life’ and ‘the affect on a collective community’, which is more how Shane J is in his views...

[luvjustin]

That was years ago,she is retired ,she was not the only one to vote against it and she did explain her reason for doing so,but this is 2018 and a game show,none of the others have been judged on their past,so why her?

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

[luvjustin]

Amanda doesn't seem to acknowledge that she only had the right to a legal same sex civil partnership due to others fighting for that right. Riding on the activism and bravery of others without appreciating them?

Exactly. :clap1:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

i see you are rather fond of your own opinion

but not of others..

:idc:

[Alf]

Is there a gay gene?

If there is, how does it get passed on, in a civil partnership or gay marriage?

Gay men used to marry women and have children with them and pass on their genes.

[Tom4784]

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

[luvjustin]

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

Exactly! And if marriage belongs to the church then how is it that marriage appears in every religion on the planet..

[luvjustin]

i see you are rather fond of your own opinion

but not of others..

:idc:

Very much so.

And I will gladly listen to someone’s terrible opinions. Until it is my turn to speak and tell them why they are wrong.

[Kazanne]

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

So even when she explains it,you don't believe it,so what's the point ? you just believe whats in your head:joker::joker:

[Cherry Christmas]

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

[Tom4784]

So even when she explains it,you don't believe it,so what's the point ? you just believe whats in your head:joker::joker:

Just because someone explains their views doesn't mean other people has to accept them as the truth. People ARE allowed to hold opposing views, you know.

I didn't think Ann was homophobic for the most part of this series, I thought she had no problem with the gays but disagreed with marriage but it's becoming apparent that she does have homophobic tendencies and I don't think you can expect people to accept that and keep quiet. She's allowed her views and so is everyone else. Like she said in the house earlier on in the series, I believe, 'people are entitled to their offense'.

[Tom4784]

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

[Cherry Christmas]

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

it is not based on nothing..there are many statistics to back up the lack of political engagement in certain age groups.

[Black Dagger]

He's an ogre

[Ammi]

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

..but legislation on gay marriages/civil partnership was never a public vote thing so I dont understand how that would equate anyway...

[Shaun]

Forgive me if I'm not swayed by someone who doesn't believe bisexuality exists.

[Tom4784]

it is not based on nothing..there are many statistics to back up the lack of political engagement in certain age groups.

Bit of a silly argument considering that the numbers of youth voters have been higher recently than normal, possibly ever.

I don't think not marching for a cause doesn't make you any less worthy of speaking for it. Marches aren't exactly commonplace and usually they happen in places like London which is not accessible to everyone.

Seems like very slight reasons to try to devalue someone's input into the discussion.

[Cherry Christmas]

..but legislation on gay marriages/civil partnership was never a public vote thing so I dont understand how that would equate anyway...

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

[Cherry Christmas]

Bit of a silly argument considering that the numbers of youth voters have been higher recently than normal, possibly ever.

I don't think not marching for a cause doesn't make you any less worthy of speaking for it. Marches aren't exactly commonplace and usually they happen in places like London which is not accessible to everyone.

Seems like very slight reasons to try to devalue someone's input into the discussion.

see my response to Ammi

[Tom4784]

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

Difference being that they are notable people and the average person is not? They are far from A-listers but if they spoke out about it more people would listen then if it was me or you.

[Trip]

Sorry I deleted my earlier post as I thought I'd posted it on the wrong thread and it's now been quoted.

I wasn't saying that everyone should be active necessarily but to take advantage of others' work and then denigrate their activism seems well dodgy. Perhaps if Amanda had never got those same sex civil rights she'd be a little more challenging?

[Underscore]

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

amen

[Withano]

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

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[Cherry Christmas]

Difference being that they are notable people and the average person is not? They are far from A-listers but if they spoke out about it more people would listen then if it was me or you.

its not for us to say how involved or uninvolved they should be in anything, I am sure they would make a great splash if they got involved in any cause, its up to them as individuals, we can't force people to front up causes if they have no interest and just want to get on with their lives, we don't ask vegan celebrities to get onboard with animal rights activists, its down to the individual

[Cherry Christmas]

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

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is that you laughing

[Livia]

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness :laugh:

That's struck me too. Older gay people have had to endure all kinds of crap in the past, and yet here they are, enjoying the integration and the freedoms they have, and that they are entitled to, and not spending time wallowing in the drama of "calling people out". And yet if someone was actually homophobic, they'd be the first to stand up, for themselves, or for other people.

[Livia]

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

We really don't know, either, how much input either of them have had in the cause.

[bots]

If people want to put their opinions across aggressively and are completely intolerant of others, all they will achieve is alienation and they will set their cause back decades. Its all fine and well to be an internet warrior with aggressive opinions, hiding behind a wall of anonymity, but those people won't last long in a real environment

[Livia]

Aggression is sometimes the only way people will listen.

Stonewall being a prime example.

Personally, aggression makes me switch off.

[Livia]

Just because someone explains their views doesn't mean other people has to accept them as the truth. People ARE allowed to hold opposing views, you know.

I didn't think Ann was homophobic for the most part of this series, I thought she had no problem with the gays but disagreed with marriage but it's becoming apparent that she does have homophobic tendencies and I don't think you can expect people to accept that and keep quiet. She's allowed her views and so is everyone else. Like she said in the house earlier on in the series, I believe, 'people are entitled to their offense'.

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

[ChristmasNeeve]

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

[Livia]

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

How are they going to tackle them, though? I don't know what they want from her. Are they going to sit round her and individually bring up everything she's done - or not done - in the past that they don't agree with? Do they want her humiliated? Thrown out? It's dominating the house at the moment and the only one who's not had any direct input in the current grievances is Ann. It's making the Ginuwine/Ashley showmance seem entertaining...

[Kazanne]

How are they going to tackle them, though? I don't know what they want from her. Are they going to sit round her and individually bring up everything she's done - or not done - in the past that they don't agree with? Do they want her humiliated? Thrown out? It's dominating the house at the moment and the only one who's not had any direct input in the current grievances is Ann. It's making the Ginuwine/Ashley showmance seem entertaining...

Agreed,plus Ann did tell Shane J at the beginning her thoughts on things,why does he need to keep bringing it up:shrug:

[Jamie89]

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness :laugh:

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

[Kazanne]

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.



I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'

[Cherry Christmas]

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

that is not his call to make though, how they interact with others is not for him to dictate

[Jamie89]

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'Gay people being confined to their houses isn't live and let live though [emoji23] If they can't have the same rights and treatment as straight people in private and in public. Saying 'you can be gay but only in private' just doesn't make any sense to me at all... what does it even mean? And what does it have to do with the denial of equal rights? It honestly just sounds like a euphemism for sex.

[Tom4784]

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

I don't want nothing to be done to Ann, she is allowed her views and we are allowed to condemn those views. I only care that freedom of speech is preserved and a lot of people defending Ann are trying to shut down people criticising her.

[Marches]

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

But you support someone who berates and isolates someone purely because of their opinion, therefore denying free speech

[Tom4784]

But you support someone who berates and isolates someone purely because of their opinion, therefore denying free speech

How is he denying her the right to her opinion? She is free to say what she wants and has done.

This is an example of what I'm saying. you believe Ann can have her views but any opposition is seen as trying to deny her, her opinion. It's bull**** and it's everything you saying that Shane J is guilty of.

[Livia]

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

I don't want nothing to be done to Ann, she is allowed her views and we are allowed to condemn those views. I only care that freedom of speech is preserved and a lot of people defending Ann are trying to shut down people criticising her.


You are so rude sometimes. And you didn't answer my question. But don't bother now... I'm npt interested. Maybe someone else with an opposing view to mine will answer... like an adult.

[Marches]

How is he denying her the right to her opinion? She is free to say what she wants and has done.

This is an example of what I'm saying. you believe Ann can have her views but any opposition is seen as trying to deny her, her opinion. It's bull**** and it's everything you saying that Shane J is guilty of.

‘I don’t agree with you so I’ll manipulate the rest of the house to dislike you’

Does that seem healthy for free speech?

[Tom4784]

You are so rude sometimes. And you didn't answer my question. But don't bother now... I'm npt interested. Maybe someone else with an opposing view to mine will answer... like an adult.

Hmm.

[Tom4784]

‘I don’t agree with you so I’ll manipulate the rest of the house to dislike you’

Does that seem healthy for free speech?

Again, she is still entitled to her opinions. You really need to stop trying to twist this into something it's not.

She is not being silenced, she is allowed her opinions. Her right to freedom of speech is still intact.

[Marches]

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

[Candy Annie Cane]

I get that having free speech allows people to challenge it as it should but what happens then. Is it a case of he who shouts loudest, or should we not concentrate on educating people who are willing to listen and kearn about oppression faced by minority groups, rather than trying to change the views of people who are unwilling to change? There are plenty of people willing to listen and kearn but as is shown there are people who won't. As we've seen with shane j, fighting against people like Ann only leads to frustration and then the very good of the message gets diluted.

Shane J has a way to him that people will listen to, he is educated and passionate but he has spent so long listing Ann's digressions that all his good work has been pushed to the back of peoples minds because of the way he has approached it.

[Tom4784]

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

That's not what Freedom of Speech is. Freedom of Speech is the right to speak your opinion, it's not the right that everyone has to accept that opinion without question.

She is allowed to speak her opinion and others are allowed to respond to that opinion as they wish as long as it doesn't involve violence and the like. She is not being silenced because not everyone likes what she has to say ffs.

[Livia]

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

That's how I'm seeing it too.

Shane J wasn't engaging her on her opinions, he was talking about Ann behind her back, trying to turn others against her, or maybe to get them to pull her up, I'm not sure what he wanted. I keep asking... no one seems to know what he actually wants from her.

[Paula D]

That's how I'm seeing it too.

Shane J wasn't engaging her on her opinions, he was talking about Ann behind her back, trying to turn others against her, or maybe to get them to pull her up, I'm not sure what he wanted. I keep asking... no one seems to know what he actually wants from her.

I've asked time and time again and no-one seems willing to answer.

What do Shane and his supporters want from Ann?

Do they want her to change her view? Because if they do then they're going the wrong way about it.

Do they want her sacrificed on the cross? Because if so, ain't going to happen.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I get that having free speech allows people to challenge it as it should but what happens then. Is it a case of he who shouts loudest, or should we not concentrate on educating people who are willing to listen and kearn about oppression faced by minority groups, rather than trying to change the views of people who are unwilling to change? There are plenty of people willing to listen and kearn but as is shown there are people who won't. As we've seen with shane j, fighting against people like Ann only leads to frustration and then the very good of the message gets diluted.

Shane J has a way to him that people will listen to, he is educated and passionate but he has spent so long listing Ann's digressions that all his good work has been pushed to the back of peoples minds because of the way he has approached it.

Great post, I totally agree

[poppsywoppsy]

I've asked time and time again and no-one seems willing to answer.

What do Shane and his supporters want from Ann?

Do they want her to change her view? Because if they do then they're going the wrong way about it.

Do they want her sacrificed on the cross? Because if so, ain't going to happen.

I am concerned about when Ann leaves the house because the abuse she is getting on here is concerning.

I also think BBBOTS will be gunning for her. She will be unaware of what's been going on too.

I hope she leaves with Amanda, that will be helpful.

Ann has enjoyed herself in the house, more than she thought she would.

I also think Shane J once he is out of the house will get quite a shock as he is not everyone's cup of tea and apart from his Gay mates, he could get a backlash like he has already had in the house.

[Paula D]

I am concerned about when Ann leaves the house because the abuse she is getting on here is concerning.

I also think BBBOTS will be gunning for her. She will be unaware of what's been going on too.

I hope she leaves with Amanda, that will be helpful.

Ann has enjoyed herself in the house, more than she thought she would.

I also think Shane J once he is out of the house will get quite a shock as he is not everyone's cup of tea and apart from his Gay mates, he could get a backlash like he has already had in the house.

Yeah, I'd be concerned as well.

She is a strong old bird but no-one wants death threats at the end of the day. :nono:

Still, she does know that she's not popular so maybe she won't be phased. I don't imagine she's one for twitter, FB etc. so that won't affect her.

[Jack_]

all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance in action

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


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[Tom4784]

Yes, let's admire Ann for making an effort to prevent equal rights by voting against pretty much every gay rights issue that came up while she was in Parliament and for endorsing psychological abuse via conversion therapy :clap1:

[Paula D]

Yes, let's admire Ann for making an effort to prevent equal rights by voting against pretty much every gay rights issue that came up while she was in Parliament and for endorsing psychological abuse via conversion therapy :clap1:

Who's admiring Ann for that? I'd love to see an example???

Back up your statement please.

[Tom4784]

Who's admiring Ann for that? I'd love to see an example???

Back up your statement please.

Literally the post above mine that you quoted?

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


jesus wept

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Yes, let's admire Ann for making an effort to prevent equal rights by voting against pretty much every gay rights issue that came up while she was in Parliament and for endorsing psychological abuse via conversion therapy :clap1:

Yup

her opinion is like yours worth only one vote

she made sure her vote counted

what have you done?

[Paula D]

Literally the post above mine that you quoted?

Nope, not the way I see it. That's admiration for the woman for getting into politics, not admiration for her voting record.

[pontyboi]

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.
Hfa3NP1SJ84

It's not just a gay thing though straight people don't want to marry either.

Why is it all focused on the people who are "different" Shane j has his views he's not harming anyone so let him get on with it....same as any other commited couple.

Ann is in no position to pass judgement either she has no experience in the matter.

[Marches]

It's not just a gay thing though straight people don't want to marry either.

Why is it all focused on the people who are "different" Shane j has his views he's not harming anyone so let him get on with it....same as any other commited couple.

Ann is in no position to pass judgement either she has no experience in the matter.

Ann’s views aren’t harming anyone either, she’s no longer in parliament the things she voted on didn’t win and she doesn’t force it down anyone’s throat, unlike a certain someone :hehe:

[Paula D]

It's not just a gay thing though straight people don't want to marry either.

Why is it all focused on the people who are "different" Shane j has his views he's not harming anyone so let him get on with it....same as any other commited couple.

Ann is in no position to pass judgement either she has no experience in the matter.What????

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[poppsywoppsy]

It's not just a gay thing though straight people don't want to marry either.

Why is it all focused on the people who are "different" Shane j has his views he's not harming anyone so let him get on with it....same as any other commited couple.

Ann is in no position to pass judgement either she has no experience in the matter.

Ann has said she has had a boyfriend. The fact she didn't get married is no reason to say she has no experience.

At least her brains are not led like those who cannot see further than what's in their pants.

[Jake.]

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

Tbf if people lived by this notion then there wouldn’t be a need for people fighting for basic human rights in the first place.

Having said that, Ann’s opinion is her own and I agree that people should (to an extent) be entitled to their own viewpoints

[Smithy]

Ah yes racist old Biggins who got kicked out of the house for his bigoted comments, a shining example of acceptance

[Paula D]

Ah yes racist old Biggins who got kicked out of the house for his bigoted comments, a shining example of acceptanceI don't remember that being about race?

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[Smithy]

I don't remember that being about race?

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Oh, apologies it was biphobic comments and nazi jokes, that’s much better

[Jake.]

Oh, apologies it was biphobic comments and nazi jokes, that’s much better

:joker:

[Paula D]

Oh, apologies it was biphobic comments and nazi jokes, that’s much betterWell at least it's not a lie like you just made up.

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[Marsh.]

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.
Hfa3NP1SJ84

Ann voted against civil partnerships too, though?

But you'll probably ignore that.

[Marsh.]

"We can't just get rid of everything. We have to hold onto something!"

Said the white man shipping a cargo of black slaves in from Africa. :hehe:

[Ant.]

Well at least it's not a lie like you just made up.

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I mean, in Smithy's defence, there was a wide rumour going around that Biggins was racist with a fake transcript and all

Lets not forget the anti-Semitic comments he made though

[Marsh.]

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


jesus wept

No she didn't. She stuck her neck out to PREVENT change.

[Christmas Lights]

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.
Hfa3NP1SJ84

This is refreshing :clap1:, but I always knew not everyone had the same hardcore views as Shane J .

But people will continue to winge and moan , even though theres different views within the LGBT community itself:joker: .

[Robodog]

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

So true

Guess there are 2 options:

1. Move on
2. Not move on

[letmein]

Christopher Biggins who was thrown off the show for being antisemetic. Yeah, I really want to hear the views of a bigot like Ann.

[letmein]

Ann’s views aren’t harming anyone either, she’s no longer in parliament the things she voted on didn’t win and she doesn’t force it down anyone’s throat, unlike a certain someone :hehe:

Two things: Ann's views and votes led to gay suicide and the suffering of people. Second, her views have totally ruined the show. Everyone is walking on eggshells around her and can't be themselves because they're worried about offending her.