ann wanted to bring the death penalty back

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yikes! garbage! get ha out

[Jase.]

God she's revolting :joker:

[MB.]

This thread is going to be full of people who have suddenly supported reintroducing the death penalty all their lives, I can tell

[Wizard.]

I agree

[MB.]

This thread is going to be full of people who have suddenly supported reintroducing the death penalty all their lives, I can tell

(and if not, "who cares, she's entitled to her opinion, it doesn't harm anyone except the people it would kill, at least she talks about things other than being gay", etc)

[Alf]

It would save us a few bob.

[smudgie]

An eye for an eye then.

[Jodie.]

I want it back

[Jase.]

Ann could want gays stoned being legal and you'd have her TiBB fans all of a sudden agreeing with her.

[MB.]

Ann could want gays stoned being legal and you'd have her TiBB fans all of a sudden agreeing with her.

"Ann is in the kitchen, telling Shane L about how Katy Perry's Witness is a seminal piece of art"

"Ann telling it like it is as usual! :hehe: :cheer2: :dance:"

[Jase.]

"Ann is in the kitchen, telling Shane L about how Katy Perry's Witness is a seminal piece of art"

"Ann telling it like it is as usual! :hehe: :cheer2: :dance:"

:laugh2:

[MB.]

Actually, never mind, she'd probably object to saying anything with "semen" in it

[clairefromsomewhereinnort]

Yeah she doesn t care about all the corrupt judges and police officers or the miscarriages of justice.Same as she didn't care about the girls abused in Rotherham, about the children abused by Tories and the Establishment or about genuinely disabled people being pushed to early deaths by the current Tories.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

"Ann is in the kitchen, telling Shane L about how Katy Perry's Witness is a seminal piece of art"

"Ann telling it like it is as usual! :hehe: :cheer2: :dance:"

:joker::joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

Ann could want gays stoned being legal and you'd have her TiBB fans all of a sudden agreeing with her.

She wanted blasphemy laws brought back too.

[Tom4784]

She wanted blasphemy laws brought back too.

Yaas Ann, Smite the heathens! :clap1:

[Paula D]

The panic is setting in now as people see Ann racing for the winning line.

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[abcd]

The death penalty should be brought back!

[Kazanne]

The panic is setting in now as people see Ann racing for the winning line.

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Isn't it just :joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

The panic is setting in now as people see Ann racing for the winning line.

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I actually don't see that at all.
I think it may slip away from her now.

I support Shane J,I'm not panicking at all,if he makes the final or doesn't that's BB.
I'd love him to win but the celebs get their fee whether out the first week or if they are the winner.

It doesn't affect them or any of us.

I have voted heavily for Ann in the previous evictions,this one to get to the final I will put all my votes Shane Js way.

I would guess others may well be concentrating their votes on one housemate now too,rather than splitting them.

That may work in Ann's favour or not.
It worked for Shane J in last week's triple eviction for sure.

[Vicky.]

...who cares, she's entitled to her opinion,...

Yup, pretty much this. People have different views to me, shock horror. How awful.

[Alf]

Ann for Love Island!

[poppsywoppsy]

I actually don't see that at all.
I think it may slip away from her now.

I support Shane J,I'm not panicking at all,if he makes the final or doesn't that's BB.
I'd love him to win but the celebs get their fee whether out the first week or if they are the winner.

It doesn't affect them or any of us.

I have voted heavily for Ann in the previous evictions,this one to get to the final I will put all my votes Shane Js way.

I would guess others may well be concentrating their votes on one housemate now too,rather than splitting them.

That may work in Ann's favour or not.
It worked for Shane J in last week's triple eviction for sure.


I have noticed a big surge in the Ann hate posts tonight.

What has Shane J started. It is a witch hunt and is a damning indictment of his tactics. He could have won it fair and square but has gone about it by means which do him no credit.

It is only a game show but he has gone out to discredit Ann over historical political issues. He has shown himself to be less than honest himself.

[Kazanne]

There are certain crimes it should be brought back for.

[Tom4784]

It's stupid really and something that is motivated by pure malice rather than justice or even financial sense.

If we look at how the Death Penalty works in the US, it's actually cheaper to keep someone alive for the average lifespan in prison then it is to kill them due to all the processes and appeals involved.

Ethically, it's just state sponsored murder, a chance for people to let out the vileness within them in a 'safe' way. Bringing back the death penalty would a step back.

[Jase.]

More beautiful posts from our Dezzy I see!

[MB.]

Yup, pretty much this. People have different views to me, shock horror. How awful.

Except that that particular excuse is seemingly being used for everything Ann has ever said or thought, no matter how repugnant (again, hi Section 28! Hi conversion therapy!) to the extent that it's lost all meaning

Of course she's entitled to her opinions, but that doesn't mean her opinions can't be challenged or called out for being gross, outdated or yes, in some cases, homophobic

[Cherie]

Ann for Love Island!

:hee:

[Daniel-X]

I’m not even watching the series but the ‘entitled to her own opinion!’ argument and ‘she’s friends with Amanda Barrie!’ argument are boring me to tears. Hitler entitled to wanting an Aryan Race then? And because he was friends with one Jew all the claims are false? You can’t apply and remove the situation/person when the line of argument doesn’t suit you.

[poppsywoppsy]

What is it about Anne and Shane J getting along together tonight that has upset you all.

Shane J has come to terms with her.

[empire]

I agree with ann, it should be brought back, too many killers out there get a cushy lifestyle in prison, and its at are expense, its a slap in the face to the victims and there families, and its much cheaper to put a rope around there necks than to keep them alive because you get an over flow in prison if you give murders a life sentence, and you can't rehabilitate a cold blooded killer,

[Tom4784]

I agree with ann, it should be brought back, too many killers out there get a cushy lifestyle in prison, and its at are expense, its a slap in the face to the victims and there families, and its much cheaper to put a rope around there necks than to keep them alive because you get an over flow in prison if you give murders a life sentence, and you can't rehabilitate a cold blooded killer,

Wrong, it's certainly not the case in America in states that have not caught up to the times and if the Death Penalty were to be brought back it would most likely be modelled on those US systems.

The only benefit of bringing back the death penality is to allow people to engage in all their deep seated malice without hurting anyone.

[Paula D]

I was wondering how long before we were Godwinned, surprised it wasn't sooner.

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[joeysteele]

I have noticed a big surge in the Ann hate posts tonight.

What has Shane J started. It is a witch hunt and is a damning indictment of his tactics. He could have won it fair and square but has gone about it by means which do him no credit.

It is only a game show but he has gone out to discredit Ann over historical political issues. He has shown himself to be less than honest himself.

I don't see that at all either,sorry.

It's always interesting to read other members takes on housemates.

However when celebs go in the house they have something usually people know them for.

Now Ann was a politician,until only a few years back.
With the influence and votes she got from being elected, how she used that influence and power,is strong stuff,not only to know her for but to gain an opinion on her too.

All she stood for then as now is Ann Widdecombe,it is her nature,her whole make up of what she believes and states as right and acceptable.

[Vicky.]

Except that that particular excuse is seemingly being used for everything Ann has ever said or thought, no matter how repugnant (again, hi Section 28! Hi conversion therapy!) to the extent that it's lost all meaning

Of course she's entitled to her opinions, but that doesn't mean her opinions can't be challenged or called out for being gross, outdated or yes, in some cases, homophobic

Of course.

IMO its getting a bit daft both ways here. Some of the fans are going OTT, and some of the 'non-fans' are going OTT. Its getting to ridiculous levels of hysterical now mind. Mind, this is usual for the last week I guess.

[poppsywoppsy]

I don't see that at all either,sorry.

It's always interesting to read other members takes on housemates.

However when celebs go in the house they have something usually people know them for.

Now Ann was a politician,until only a few years back.
With the influence and votes she got from being elected, how she used that influence and power,is strong stuff,not only to know her for but to gain an opinion on her too.

All she stood for then as now is Ann Widdecombe,it is her nature,her whole make up of what she believes and states as right and acceptable.



Well her and Shane J have sorted out their differences and have splashed around together happily.

So it's water under the bridge now, isn't it.?

[Vicky.]

I agree with ann, it should be brought back, too many killers out there get a cushy lifestyle in prison, and its at are expense, its a slap in the face to the victims and there families, and its much cheaper to put a rope around there necks than to keep them alive because you get an over flow in prison if you give murders a life sentence, and you can't rehabilitate a cold blooded killer,

This much is true. I reckon prison should really be total bare minimum stuff rather than what it is today.
Wrong, it's certainly not the case in America in states that have not caught up to the times and if the Death Penalty were to be brought back it would most likely be modelled on those US systems.

The only benefit of bringing back the death penality is to allow people to engage in all their deep seated malice without hurting anyone.

But also, this is true.

Its a myth that its cheaper to kill people than it is to imprison them. As far as I am aware, but its not something I have ever looked into in too much detail.

There is also the added issue of...what if they are innocent. With prison, they can be released if this turns out to be the case. We have no way of raising the dead.

Though I have to admit that when certain crimes hit the press (usually paedophilia and child abuse/murder cases) I do have moments of wanting vengeance rather than punishment.

I think death is the easy way out for many though too. I know if I was ever convicted of life (actually meaning life...not the paltry out in 7 years rubbish) in prison for something, I would rather be killed.

[Kazanne]

Wrong, it's certainly not the case in America in states that have not caught up to the times and if the Death Penalty were to be brought back it would most likely be modelled on those US systems.

The only benefit of bringing back the death penality is to allow people to engage in all their deep seated malice without hurting anyone.

You've probably never had anyone close to you murdered.

[jaxie]

Yes she did say that in some cases. Specifically after the murder of two 10 year old girls in Soham. And in fact as a deterrant since the number of murders doubled within 5 years of abolishing the death penalty.

Personally I'm inclined to agree in cases of child murder.

But inevitably it is a bit more complicated than that because there are people who might be innocent.

[joeysteele]

Well her and Shane J have sorted out their differences and have splashed around together happily.

So it's water under the bridge now, isn't it.?

It was a good highlights tonight and I agree,the last week needs more harmony and fun.

It was nice to see from both Ann and Amanda welcoming Shane talking to them.

My only criticism of Shane J, would be he should have gone to Ann direct,not bothered with the others.

Definitely it would be nice to think it is water under the bridge now, as you say.

[Binbin]

What are you so scared of the death penalty for? :pipe2:

[Tom4784]

What are you so scared of the death penalty for? :pipe2:

It's about being better than those we judge, killing people who have wronged us is easy, having the moral fibre to do what's right is harder.

[Binbin]

It's about being better than those we judge, killing people who have wronged us is easy, having the moral fibre to do what's right is harder.

In that case, Ann's Diary Room ramblings about the human right to hold different perspectives on any issue, while also having the capacity to be kind to those people should appeal to you.

[Yaki da]

So do the majority of the people in the country. I agree with them.

[Tom4784]

In that case, Ann's Diary Room ramblings about the human right to hold different perspectives on any issue, while also having the capacity to be kind to those people should appeal to you.

I've been preaching freedom of speech means to both be able to speak your opinion and have others have their own views on that opinion, you are preaching to the choir in that regard.

I disagree on the 'kind' aspect though, people are entitled to their views and I respect that right but that doesn't mean we have to respect the views in question. It's just another way of trying to kill people's right to respond, just this time in the guise of 'kindness'.

[AnnieK]

This arguement has been done to death(pardon the pun). I don't believe the death penalty should be brought back, state sponsored murder should never be allowed. I believe life should mean life, and prison should not be a cushy alternative to career criminals. After the last discussion on this when it was said that life in prison isn't as easy as its people say it is, there was a prisoner released from a local prison near me, who within 2 hours of being released had re-offended by stealing a car and assaulting the owner to get back in...

The death penalty is not the answer, harsher sentences whilst maintaining human rights are

[joeysteele]

I admit I have flowed back and forth on the issue.

However I now think no way should it be brought back.
I actually agree with all Dezzy has said really.
Wise words and the strongest argument came from him,in my view.

[Marsh.]

The panic is setting in now as people see Ann racing for the winning line.

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She's stopped for a week, she's out of breath.

[Robertocarlo]

yikes! garbage! get ha out

I said she wasn't a benign old lady!

[poppsywoppsy]

I can remember being awfully scared as a child when a hanging was reported.

Where I have no problem in wishing that the Yorkshire Ripper, Hindley and Brady, Dale Cregan, the Soham Killer, the Crosbow killer, the Ipswich strangler and Joanna Denehay meet their maker asap, I then shudder at the act.

I watch a lot of American true crime stories which do have the death penalty and it does have executions but it does leave me cold.

So although these killers deserve no mercy, I can't see myself agreeing to it.

It is a fine line and I think anyone who can order executions is a far stronger minded person than me, but I wouldn't blame them for their choice either.

[LaLaLand]

It should be brought back.

Why should I pay for child killers, serial killers, terrorists who want me dead etc to be made to live cushy lives in prison OR be given new identities and brand spanking new lives as "punishment"?

[MB.]

It should be brought back.

Why should I pay for child killers, serial killers, terrorists who want me dead etc to be made to live cushy lives as "punishment"?

Why are capital punishment and "cushy lives" the only two options? Why opt immediately for the death penalty over prison reform and harsher sentences for those who deserve them?

[Philanthropite]

I don't know what's funnier. Housemates bickering at one another or forum members. I don't want Ann to win but she's so much more interesting than Shane J.

Death penalty could be reserved for the most evil of society.

[Marsh.]

Death penalty could be reserved for the most evil of society.

The only problem is most people disagree over what constitutes "evil",

[Ammi]

...supporting the death penalty is a strange one actually because of the 10 main rules/commandments of the Catholic Church and thou shalt not kill...but then, Ann is a strange one..:laugh:...strange as in interesting in some of the conflictions she seems to have with some things...

[Withano]

Murderers are evil! Lets murder them!!

[Parmy]

Ann the homophobe needs to stop hugging all these gays if shes to be taken seriously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yikes! garbage! get ha out

yes Scott, sigh, because when we have a debate in SD about such matters you are all over it with your opinion and no one sees you in the chat thread for days...

:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Murderers are evil! Lets murder them!!

no silly lets put them in a locked room (then we cant think about them) so they can think and wank over their deeds for the next 30 years and the family affected can think about them watching and laughing at Sky TV whilst everyday they think about their dead loved one

duh!



:skull:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yes Scott, sigh, because when we have a debate in SD about such matters you are all over it with your opinion and no one sees you in the chat thread for days...

:idc:

i don’t even look at SD because i have that forum on ignore

and why would i need to debate about anything with you when i’m always right anyway

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[caprimint]

I think loads of people actually still agree with the death penalty (I don't)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think loads of people actually still agree with the death penalty (I don't)

which is why Ann was elected


(its like people dont understand what an MP is?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

i don’t even look at SD because i have that forum on ignore

and why would i need to debate about anything with you when i’m always right anyway

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[poppsywoppsy]

There still is an argument for the death penalty when people like Hindley and Brady, The Yorkshire Ripper, Ipswich Strangler, Dale Cregan, Crossbow Killer and Levi Bellfield are concerned.

Those poor victims and their families.

I have lived when hanging was still happening to murderers and although it was retribution for their heinous crimes, I found it very frightening when it was said to be taking place.

On these grounds I am very 50/50 and would be happy to leave it to the politicians who's job it has to be to make the decision being in full knowledge of the facts. Best it is not decided by people on a forum, who wouldn't.

In America, they do plea deals that those who give relevant information that aids the enquiry can escape the death penalty. They get life without parole and about 150 years. I like that.

[Livia]

I would like to see a full background check on everyone in the house so that I can decide which of them is an acceptable person. Obviously I'm not going to speak as I find, I need to have them P Checked first.

[Kazanne]

I would like to see a full background check on everyone in the house so that I can decide which of them is an acceptable person. Obviously I'm not going to speak as I find, I need to have them P Checked first.

Isn't the witch hunt ridiculous ? we will get a timetable next of when she goes for a crap:hehe:

[Marches]

Unpopular opinion: the death penalty should be brought back

The tax payer is paying to sustain people that are a liability to society. Why should we pay for life sentences rather than riddding those people from the world forever?

[Alf]

Isn't the witch hunt ridiculous ? we will get a timetable next of when she goes for a crap:hehe:She's regular as clockwork, you can set your watch by her arse.

[poppsywoppsy]

I would like to see a full background check on everyone in the house so that I can decide which of them is an acceptable person. Obviously I'm not going to speak as I find, I need to have them P Checked first.

I think you will find no one has killed anybody

Perhaps only Andrews hopes of winning

Poor old Andrew Poor old Andrew