Interesting tweet

[Amy Jade]

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Hmm :think:

[Firewire]

But we must respect our elders!

[Jase.]

But she's friends with Amanda Barrie so all of that doesn't matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smudgie]

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Hmm :think:

Not really anything that hasn’t already been discussed already though:shrug:

[GiRTh]

Supporting conversion Therapy alone is f&&ked up

[Amy Jade]

Not really anything that hasn’t already been discussed already though:shrug:

I never knew half of it, especially the adoption part.

[Wizard.]

It’s her religion and that’s what her religion believes. All religions truly don’t agree with homosexuality but that wouldn’t stop you befriending a Christian, Muslim or Jew would it?

[BBUK-Fan]

We base her on how she is in the house

[T*]

BUT SHES FRIENDS WITH A GAY IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!!! amanda barrie being friends with anne is more important!

[smudgie]

I never knew half of it, especially the adoption part.

Yes, it has been mentioned, you must have missed it.
Can’t remember any mention of the Iraq war vote though.

[Denver]

why wouldnt anyone not want Pregnant Prisoners handcuffed?

[Jase.]

BUT SHES FRIENDS WITH A GAY IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!!! amanda barrie being friends with anne is more important!

excuse me but judge her on how she is in the house!!!!! her outside opinions are irrelevant!!!!!!!!

[Alf]

She was also the star of the show in Celebrity Big Brother 2018

[Amy Jade]

We base her on how she is in the house

I look forward to Rose West's redemption arc in a few years as we must only judge housemates on their time in the house!!!1

[Denver]

BUT SHES FRIENDS WITH A GAY IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!!! amanda barrie being friends with anne is more important!
She takes each person as she comes which has been proven by her friends o the outside.

The voting needs to be forgotten because what she wanted didnt happen

[Jase.]

I look forward to Rose West's redemption arc in a few years as we must only judge housemates on their time in the house!!!1

i just broke a rib :skull: :skull:

[Christmas Lights]

We base her on how she is in the house

Exactly, it's funny how Jim Davidson was supported and even won as they found him "entertaining" in the house.

Yet his obnoxious views didn't matter, but Ann is being ripped to shreads on here :facepalm:. It's hypocritical.

[Paula D]

Ffs

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[Christmas Dynasnow]

Ah children and twitter


Sweet

[Underscore]

We base her on how she is in the house

You do.
I don’t.
Don’t make assumptions based on your own opinions and priorities

[Patricia4]

We base her on how she is in the house

Correct :clap1:

[BBUK-Fan]

You do.
I don’t.
Don’t make assumptions based on your own opinions and priorities

I'll do what I choose to

[Kazanne]

Exactly, it's funny how Jim Davidson was supported and even won as they found him "entertaining" in the house.

Yet his obnoxious views didn't matter, but Ann is being ripped to shreads on here :facepalm:. It's hypocritical.

People need to stand back and just listen to themselves,there is more hate shown here than anything Ann has voted for or against, some people really are the pits.

[LukeB]

I look forward to Rose West's redemption arc in a few years as we must only judge housemates on their time in the house!!!1

:skull:

[Underscore]

I'll do what I choose to

Bye

[Denver]

You do.
I don’t.
Don’t make assumptions based on your own opinions and priorities

You have said in the past we shouldn't judge on what they do outside but i guess only works for your faves

[Tom4784]

It’s her religion and that’s what her religion believes. All religions truly don’t agree with homosexuality but that wouldn’t stop you befriending a Christian, Muslim or Jew would it?

As I've said a few times in other topics, the bible and most other religious texts are contradictory in nature and most people choose what parts to follow and which parts aren't applicable in today's world. If someone's okay with eating Shrimp and wearing different fabrics at once (both are sins, according to the bible) then why should they be protected from criticism on grounds of religion when they CHOOSE to follow the teachings that preach intolerance to other people? Their religion, their choices and their opinions are different things and none of them are a shield to prevent other people from having their own say about her views.

I defended Ann at the beginning when I thought it was just an issue of marriage but it's rather undeniable at this point that she has a massive issue with homosexuality. She's homophobic, ain't no two ways about at this point.

[Underscore]

You have said in the past we shouldn't judge on what they do outside but i guess only works for your faves

Erm WHEN

[Tom4784]

Supporting conversion Therapy alone is f&&ked up

Preach, anyone that believes conversion therapy should be a thing is scum.

[Denver]

Erm WHEN

With Sarah last year

[MB.]

Exactly, it's funny how Jim Davidson was supported and even won as they found him "entertaining" in the house.

Yet his obnoxious views didn't matter, but Ann is being ripped to shreads on here :facepalm:. It's hypocritical.

I'm fairly sure very few of the people who are currently anti-Ann were pro-Jim (I'd personally say they share a demographic), so lord knows where you plucked that form

[Underscore]

Preach, anyone that believes conversion therapy should be a thing is scum.

:love:

[Underscore]

With Sarah last year

I never said that because she never did anything outside of the house :shrug:

[Alf]

ann's fans don't care because they agree with her viewsGo on Queen Ann.

We love you Annie, we do, Oh Annie we love you!

[Jase.]

Preach, anyone that believes conversion therapy should be a thing is scum.

:clap1: :clap1:

And we have members calling other members "the pits" even though they support somebody who supports conversion therapy. You can't ****ing write it. :umm2:

[Denver]

I never said that because she never did anything outside of the house :shrug:

You said it when her alcohol problems were mentioned at the start

[MB.]

I never said that because she never did anything outside of the house :shrug:

She released Threads, I think we can all agree that's enough

[OnikaChrist]

But she's from a different generation!!!!!111!! We need to respect our elders!!!!1!!!

[odd sock]

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!!!!

[Underscore]

You said it when her alcohol problems were mentioned at the start

I’m having trouble recalling this and even if I did having alcohol problems is a lot different to voting against LGBT rights and supporting conversion therapy :shrug:

[poppsywoppsy]

Well Shane Js propaganda has worked well.

I wonder how many of those posting knew anything about Ann before he went in the house.

Old Billy Nomates, is partying with Ann now in the hot tub.

[Denver]

I’m having trouble recalling this and even if I did having alcohol problems is a lot different to voting against LGBT rights and supporting conversion therapy :shrug:

See double standards

[Kazanne]

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And we have members calling other members "the pits" even though they support somebody who supports conversion therapy. You can't ****ing write it. :umm2:

You can write it im not stopping you :joker::joker: someone finds a random tweet, and people are hyperventilating,lol,as has been said she can believe in anything she wants we dont own her ffs.get a grip I get you disapprove,tough,deal with it, the place has gone mad.and yes some of the things said are the pits.

[Amy Jade]

You said it when her alcohol problems were mentioned at the start

I mean I personally think there is a huge difference between judging someone for their drinking problem and judging someone for being pro conversion therapy :shrug:

[Jase.]

You said it when her alcohol problems were mentioned at the start

Are you lying to try and make a point? :laugh2:

[Underscore]

I mean I personally think there is a huge difference between judging someone for their drinking problem and judging someone for being pro conversion therapy :shrug:

This.

[Underscore]

Are you lying to try and make a point? :laugh2:

My thoughts exactly

[Lostie!]

I'm not of the belief that every single person who opposes same sex marriage is inherently homophobic but supporting conversion therapy is a whole other kettle of repugnant fish.

[Denver]

I mean I personally think there is a huge difference between judging someone for their drinking problem and judging someone for being pro conversion therapy :shrug:

I just dnt think her history should effect opinions of a housemate

[Jase.]

I'm not of the belief that every single person who opposes same sex marriage is inherently homophobic but supporting conversion therapy is a whole other kettle of repugnant fish.

But she can believe anything she wants, we don't own her!

[Denver]

Are you lying to try and make a point? :laugh2:

No all of Sarah's fans were at it then she drank in the house and became violent

[Jase.]

No all of Sarah's fans were at it then she drank in the house and became violent

No x

[MB.]

Imagine wheeling out "she's entitled to her opinion!" for someone being pro-conversion therapy though

[Kazanne]

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

[Jase.]

Imagine wheeling out "she's entitled to her opinion!" for someone being pro-conversion therapy though

I swear I don't even see this level of insanity on Twitter :skull:

[OnikaChrist]

As I've said a few times in other topics, the bible and most other religious texts are contradictory in nature and most people choose what parts to follow and which parts aren't applicable in today's world. If someone's okay with eating Shrimp and wearing different fabrics at once (both are sins, according to the bible) then why should they be protected from criticism on grounds of religion when they CHOOSE to follow the teachings that preach intolerance to other people? Their religion, their choices and their opinions are different things and none of them are a shield to prevent other people from having their own say about her views.

I defended Ann at the beginning when I thought it was just an issue of marriage but it's rather undeniable at this point that she has a massive issue with homosexuality. She's homophobic, ain't no two ways about at this point.

And that's that on THAT. :clap1:

[MB.]

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

Because pretty much everything on the list has been discussed, including by Ann in the house :unsure:

Just google "Ann Widdecombe conversion therapy" and dozens of articles come up

[Ant.]

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

I mean, you could just googl3 the claims (http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/02/anne-widdecome-defends-gay-conversion-therapy_n_1249697.html)

[Tom4784]

I just dnt think her history should effect opinions of a housemate

There's limits to that philosophy though, when someone supports the act of psychological abuse of both adults and children in order to 'cure' them of their sexuality, an act which comes with a high rate of suicide, then they are open to being criticised for that view.

[MB.]

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose

[Denver]

There's limits to that philosophy though, when someone supports the act of psychological abuse of both adults and children in order to 'cure' them of their sexuality, an act which comes with a high rate of suicide, then they are open to being criticised for that view.

For me i love her as a housemate same as Katie H but as a person i dont feel the same way

[HBIC]

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose
Hopefully they are honest one day and switch to "well actually I agree with her!"

[Ant.]

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose

:joker:

[Tom4784]

For me i love her as a housemate same as Katie H but as a person i dont feel the same way

The fact that she supported a practice based on abuse says it all for me. I cannot condone someone by saying 'they're a good HM though!' if they support such vile things.

Like I said before, there's rightfully a limit to how far that philosophy goes before it becomes ridiculous.

[OnikaChrist]

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

Ann herself basically confirmed in tonight's episode that she doesn't agree with homosexuality when she nodded her head to Shane J saying he isn't the type of grandson that Ann would want.

It's not far fetched to think that someone who doesn't support homosexuality also supports conversion therapy. Especially if the person at hand we're talking about is Ann.

[Vicky.]

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate :shrug:

[Cherry Christmas]

Hopefully they are honest one day and switch to "well actually I agree with her!"

Of course you know best :unsure:

[Cherry Christmas]

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate :shrug:

and they will switch again next season depending on who they support

[Trip]

Ann used to write for the Daily Express - she wrote articles defending her belief in conversion therapy. I thought people knew about it, she's never been shy about her beliefs.

[HBIC]

Ann used to write for the Daily Express - she wrote articles defending her belief in conversion therapy. I thought people knew about it, she's never been shy about her beliefs.
Let me tell you the next 5 responses you're going to get to this point.

"But it's not REALLY her opinion!"
"Did she write that article in the house? Then I don't care!"
"So what...did she personally convert any gays? Don't think so!"
"ann was just fighting the good fight against the lgbtq agenda"
"so what!? it's her opinion, tired of SJWs trying to use Ann's own words against her :nono: "

[Robodog]

"Don't agree with me? You must be Hitler!"

is the mantra of the pitchfork brigade.

[Underscore]

Let me tell you the next 5 responses you're going to get to this point.

"But it's not REALLY her opinion!"
"Did she write that article in the house? Then I don't care!"
"So what...did she personally convert any gays? Don't think so!"
"ann was just fighting the good fight against the lgbtq agenda"
"so what!? it's her opinion, tired of SJWs trying to use Ann's own words against her :nono: "

ON POINT

[MB.]

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate :shrug:

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

[Oaker]

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

:clap1:

[Amy Jade]

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it
Very good point actually, never really thought about it that way!

[Kazanne]

I've just read a few things on this it's not quite so black and white is it ? she supported it for PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT to be gay, they WANTED to be cured,totally different thing ,and it seems it was in very early stages and experimental so it wasn't known then about any after effects,although different sites say slightly different things ,a gay site will obviously find it abhorrent, a news site should tell you how it is,so although it is a strange thing to support,the woman was probably thinking it would help,she is not a bad woman at all,her past also says some very positive things about her, I suppose it depends on your outlook on life,we all have those things people don't like about us.

[Rufus]

The amount of Ann threads on this site shows how much she has influenced this series.

[Kazanne]

The amount of Ann threads on this site shows how much she has influenced this series.

Without ann we would be walking through tumbleweed:hehe:

[Paula D]

Ann herself basically confirmed in tonight's episode that she doesn't agree with homosexuality when she nodded her head to Shane J saying he isn't the type of grandson that Ann would want.

It's not far fetched to think that someone who doesn't support homosexuality also supports conversion therapy. Especially if the person at hand we're talking about is Ann.Now that's just a total lie about what Ann said tonight isn't it?

Not much of a stretch to believe the rest is total bs too.

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[Tom4784]

I've just read a few things on this it's not quite so black and white is it ? she supported it for PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT to be gay, they WANTED to be cured,totally different thing ,and it seems it was in very early stages and experimental so it wasn't known then about any after effects,although different sites say slightly different things ,a gay site will obviously find it abhorrent, a news site should tell you how it is,so although it is a strange thing to support,the woman was probably thinking it would help,she is not a bad woman at all,her past also says some very positive things about her, I suppose it depends on your outlook on life,we all have those things people don't like about us.

Nobody has ever wanted to be gay or anything other than the norm, most LGBT people have often thought of wanting to flick a switch and be 'normal' but that does not mean we should allow ourselves to be psychologically abused to the point that we don't want to live anymore.

Acceptance of who you are is the only way to be truly happy with yourself. There is no defending anyone who has ever been in favour of conversion therapy. It's a deadly con.

[smudgie]

I hope we are all on the road to accepting being gay as normal, one size doesn’t fit all in any society.
We have been primed for believing heterosexual is normal, but I don’t doubt that homosexuality has been around since time began, other than for procreation I don’t see why that should be considered any different.

[MB.]

Also, conversion therapy was most definitely not "in very early stages" or "experimental" (well, I guess you could say the latter is true, but you'd have to clarify that said experiments don't work and are in fact nothing but different methods of torture) in 2012, when Ann wrote her article defending it

[poppsywoppsy]

Oh God, if it isn't one thing to bash Ann with, it's another.

What do you expect to happen by keep going on about the past? Nothing can happen because the world has moved on and many of the things referred to either have happened or have not.

Why not focus on the future and what is yet to be achieved? Nothing can be changed now, why bang on and on about past issues.

I think all the education has been done and dusted, perhaps Shane Js next tutorial is to his own followers to not behave in the way they are pillorying Ann and to look to the future without rancor and hatred.

[Robodog]

I've just read a few things on this it's not quite so black and white is it ? she supported it for PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT to be gay, they WANTED to be cured,totally different thing ,and it seems it was in very early stages and experimental so it wasn't known then about any after effects,although different sites say slightly different things ,a gay site will obviously find it abhorrent, a news site should tell you how it is,so although it is a strange thing to support,the woman was probably thinking it would help,she is not a bad woman at all,her past also says some very positive things about her, I suppose it depends on your outlook on life,we all have those things people don't like about us.

Interesting, thanks for the bigger picture there Kaz.

It's a sensitive subject for a lot of people, so it's important to get the facts right and not just react.

Like you say, people jump to black-or-white thinking.

But the truth is usually more subtle and complicated than that, and requires a bit more time and understanding.

[Rustic bauble]

ann's fans don't care because they agree with her views


No...they agree with her right to have an opinion. :shrug:

[jaxie]

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Hmm :think:

And all completely out of context and with none of the reasons when and why she might have voted and supported.

[Yaki da]

Good for her. I admire a person who has the independence of mind to not just mindlessly fall into line with the egalitarian zeitgest of our age, which is based on childish notions of equality.

Unlike most politicians, she had a certain integrity about her.

[MB.]

So are we ignoring external context and only basing our opinions on what we see on the show, or are we using phrases like "egalitarian zeitgeist" as part of a discussion on Celebrity Big Brother? Which is it?

[Jase.]

"childish notions of equality"

I. have. heard. it. all.

Christ.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Lol at all those spouting hate for her fans. The likelihood is not many (if any) knew about her coversion therapy views. If they had been common knowledge they would have been ALL over this forum...endless threads.

Certainly Shane J, who has done an awful lot of research didnt know as there is no way he would have let that particular view slide if he knew (quite rightly) so whilst this forum is up in arms about Ann fans....let them do their research and see her views before blanket condemning them for supporting a women who they have probably only just found out believed in this ****ing awful "therapy". Judge HER but not her fans.....

[Trip]

Good for her. I admire a person who has the independence of mind to not just mindlessly fall into line with the egalitarian zeitgest of our age, which is based on childish notions of equality.

Unlike most politicians, she had a certain integrity about her.

I see it more as part of her mindless faith rather than independence of mind.

[HBIC]

Good for her. I admire a person who has the independence of mind to not just mindlessly fall into line with the egalitarian zeitgest of our age, which is based on childish notions of equality.

Unlike most politicians, she had a certain integrity about her.
and despite posts like this, I get a warning for implying that Ann's fans agree with her views. I mean come on, it's not baiting if it's true.

[Vicky.]

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

Yeah I suppose thats a good point. I tend to try as clean slate as much as I can but cannot deny that sometimes thats hard to do. I knew nothing really of Anns voting record before she went in and maybe if I knew beforehand I would have found it harder to like her. Why on earth was there no backlash when she was on Strictly though..I assume her views were public knowledge then? I don't remember any backlash at all. And theres been next to none either until the past few days...which is especially odd. A few posters were voicing concerns earlier on the series, but the past few days it has ramped up HUGELY and I do feel its less about what she has voted for/against and more to do with people disliking her as a housemate and such.

The conversion therapy thing..appears to be about a gay person who actually wanted to try conversion therapy. I don't see how therapy could 'cure' someone of being gay in the first place, and of course its ridiculously abusive when forced onto people. But I cannot get all up in arms about her supporting a gay person (or someone she thought was a gay person, who was an undercover reporter) in doing what they apparently wanted to do.

Coupled with the rest of her record, it clear she has issues with homosexuality in general though. But seemingly not actual gay people. 'Just' (for want of a better word here) homosexuality overall.

Again though, I do not, especially at this late stage in the game..judge housemates on how they are outside of the house. And nor do many others, usually.

I can compare this to being female and being disabled (am bi but have been in a hetero relationship for like 10 years now so bi doesn't really count :laugh:) when trying to work out how I feel about the whole issue. If an MP went in who had voted against womens rights, I could still like them as a housemate, whilst obviously hating their views. If a Tory MP went in who had voted consistently against disabled rights, and was championing the likes of ATOS and claiming most PIP claimants were faking their illness whilst also voting to cut back on vital services for people with chronic pain (my personal issue) and even voting outright to give disabled people second class citizen status..I would possibly judge them harshly at first (if aware of their record, I wouldn't specifically seek it out to pick), but by this stage in the game, their outside voting record would be irrelevant to me as..I watch BB for personalities tbh, not for outside politics.


This just seems to have turned into a longer version of a post I made in another thread, tbh. I seem very repetitive tonight.

[Vicky.]

Nobody has ever wanted to be gay or anything other than the norm, most LGBT people have often thought of wanting to flick a switch and be 'normal' but that does not mean we should allow ourselves to be psychologically abused to the point that we don't want to live anymore.

Acceptance of who you are is the only way to be truly happy with yourself. There is no defending anyone who has ever been in favour of conversion therapy. It's a deadly con.

OK maybe I have a different understanding of conversion therapy here, genuinely did not know it 'had to be' the totally dracononian torture house kind of thing?

Huffpost is about as left wing as they come, and that doesn't even state anything of the sort?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/02/anne-widdecome-defends-gay-conversion-therapy_n_1249697.html

"Anybody can get help for anything from psychotherapists in this country except apparently gays who do not want to be gay".

"A man who wants to be a woman will receive not only the necessary operations but also a huge amount of psychological support and counselling," Widdecombe said.

"Yet the unhappy homosexual should, according to gay activists, be denied any chance whatever to investigate any possibility of seeing if he can be helped to become heterosexual."

Is apparently what Ann had to say on the matter. And why it was decided she is for conversion therapy. Now if it actually is the 'lock people in rooms and force them to be raped by the opposite sex' kind of thing...then I would say huffpo should probably have made this clear.

If my understanding of conversion therapy is actually wrong, and its always the really horrible kind of 'we will utterly break you mentally' kind of thing, then obviously the conversion therapy part of my post is taken back.


OK. For some reason this did not show up when I searched before, but I found the actual full piece that has her talking about it

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/ann-widdecombe/299271/Helping-those-who-aren-t-glad-to-be-gay

[Yaki da]

"childish notions of equality"

I. have. heard. it. all.

Christ.

You've heard very little in your life if a comment like that is shocking to you.

[Yaki da]

I see it more as part of her mindless faith rather than independence of mind.

I'm not religious, yet I largely agree with her.

As for her faith being "mindless". No, that's just a modern prejudice. The truth is Christianity can boast of an impressive philosophical and theological tradition.

[JerseyWins]

Some of that is crossing lines for sure, if totally accurate and unexaggerated, but still. "I judge her as Ann Widdecombe, a silly giggly woman who eats chocolate biscuits in bed." :love:

[Robertocarlo]

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Hmm :think:

I must say, that although I too find her too toxic to win and want Shane J to win, her one redeeming feature, in my eyes, was that she voted IN FAVOUR of the BAN of Fox Hunting! She's an animal lover by all accounts.

[Yaki da]

I must say, that although I too find her too toxic to win and want Shane J to win, her one redeeming feature, in my eyes, was that she voted IN FAVOUR of the BAN of Fox Hunting! She's an animal lover by all accounts.

I disagree with her on that one.

[Trip]

I'm not religious, yet I largely agree with her.

As for her faith being "mindless". No, that's just a modern prejudice. The truth is Christianity can boast of an impressive philosophical and theological tradition.

I make a distinction between faith and religion.

[Twosugars]

Ann doesn't seem to be fond of scientific evidence either

She has expressed a variety of views on scientific issues such as climate change but has been opposed to legislation reducing emissions. Her views on the subject appear to have hardened over time. In 2007, she wrote that she did not want to belittle the issue but was sceptical of the claims that specific actions would prevent catastrophe,[18] then in 2008 that her doubts had been "crystalised" by Nigel Lawson's book An Appeal to Reason,[19] before stating in 2009 that "There is no climate change, hasn’t anybody looked out of their window recently?"[20] She was one of the five MPs who voted against the Climate Change Act 2008.[21] In 2011 she expressed the view that "climate change money should go to armed services".[22] The previous year, she voted to support a parliamentary motion supporting homeopathy, criticising the Science and Technology Committee's Report on the subject
Wikipedia

[Jase.]

You've heard very little in your life if a comment like that is shocking to you.

Shocking? Nah. Preposterous? Absolutely.

[Marches]

A lot of these votes are pretty bad but Ann has been a fantastic housemate (far better than the rest of them really) and people like Amanda and such have shown that you can find common ground and enjoy a person despite conflicting political opinion :hee:

[bots]

I have always thought the majority of Ann's views sucked all the way back to when she was voting, but that's not what being a hm on big brother is about, at least not for me anyway. I look to be entertained. As India put it herself in the house, it's not panarama, so why should it be viewed like panarama outside the house either? :laugh:

I haven't seen the show in the last week, but the shows I watched, I found her consistently entertaining, and inoffensive ... I couldn't really ask for more

[montblanc]

horrible woman.

[Parmy]

I probably would have voted the same apart from the last one.

[Twosugars]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

[montblanc]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

this!

[Cherry Christmas]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

Don't be silly it does nothing of the sort, have all the HMs been interogated on their political or religious views, no they haven't, Amanda and Wayne did not research Ann before they went into the house because they went in to get a fee and perhaps have the experience, Shane J researched her, not sure if he researched anyone else but I think its a first for CBB for someone to own up that they had researched someone before going into the house instead of going in with an open mind :skull:

[Marches]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

It’s not about inconvenience, Amanda gets she isn’t going to change Ann’s views on stuff so she just accepts and loves her as a person

Shane j isn’t bothered bout changing her views he just wants to push a, imo malicious, narrative. I wouldn’t like Ann if she forced her views down people’s throats, but she doesn’t so I can put them aside and appreciate her as a person

[poppsywoppsy]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

Ann is no serial killer, this exaggeration is a step too far.

Her core beliefs are hurting no one at the moment because she has retired and her views are now ineffective.

These views will die out in time when the older generation meets their maker and fingers crossed the next generation can move forwards without the hate and vitriol shown on here by her detractors.

There is nothing anyone can do to change her, she is content within her skin. I do not think with all the pontificating in the world has made Shane J happy with his.

[Twosugars]

Ann is no serial killer, this exaggeration is a step too far.

Can you understand English?
I wrote:

I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

[Twosugars]

[/B]

Don't be silly it does nothing of the sort, have all the HMs been interogated on their political or religious views, no they haven't, Amanda and Wayne did not research Ann before they went into the house

I'd imagine he researched everybody as he is from abroad.

You think Amanda or Wayne lived under a rock all their lives? Ann has been a prominent public figure for decades.

[poppsywoppsy]

Can you understand English?
I wrote:

In your first paragraph, it was a comparison.

The fact you negated it later did not remove why you compared them in the first place, the inference had been made.

No personal comments please

[Robertocarlo]

Well, I suppose that's where we differ. I can't put aside what a HM stands for. It's too big a part of them, I mean, their views and past actions.
If you take the logic of just judging them as they are in the house then even a serial killer might be charming to be around for a few weeks. I'm taking this argument ad absurdum, of course. I'm not comparing Ann, a dogmatic right-wing former politician with intimacy issues to a dangerous killer.

I agree with everyone's efforts in there to bring a human side of Ann out. Whatever you think of individual HMs, they all tried to engage her in a positive way. I'm sure it will do her a lot of good and maybe in time, lead to her changing some of her preconceptions.
But I don't agree with ignoring or brushing aside her core beliefs because it's inconvenient to challenge them (like Amanda or Wayne or all others, except ShaneJ or Andrew, do). It compromises their integrity and looks false.

Absolutely spot on. I cannot look the other way just because she's entertaining, which she is tbh, but on her terms it seems. Shame that BB put her in seeing it's the Year of The Woman and she's hardly stood up for woman's rights now has she?

[Jamie89]

Did any one else read that list in Marcus' voice as her launch night entrance facts

It’s her religion and that’s what her religion believes. All religions truly don’t agree with homosexuality but that wouldn’t stop you befriending a Christian, Muslim or Jew would it?

She converted to Catholicism quite late in life I think... because it was more in line with her views.

[Cherry Christmas]

I'd imagine he researched everybody as he is from abroad.

You think Amanda or Wayne lived under a rock all their lives? Ann has been a prominent public figure for decades.

Do you think Malika or G researched anyone, they are from abroad too, he is just a little too desperate, and it goes against the whole premise of the show, with regard to Amanda and Wayne, could you tell me everything they did in their lifetime as you seem to expect them to know every detail of Ann Ws, I would hazard a guess nobody on here knew much about her voting record either as there wasn't a peep about it during her time in Strictly

[Twosugars]

Tbh, since when researching before you go on a long tv programme where you're forced to live with strangers is something to be ashamed of? :conf:
Wouldn't you if you could?
I think most of them do, Shane mentioned it as a matter of course.

[Twosugars]

In your first paragraph, it was a comparison.

The fact you negated it later did not remove why you compared them in the first place, the inference had been made.

No personal comments please

No, it wasn't. I'm not going to discuss rhetorical devices with you here.

[Cherry Christmas]

Tbh, since when researching before you go on a long tv programme where you're forced to live with strangers is something to be ashamed of? :conf:
Wouldn't you if you could?
I think most of them do, Shane mentioned it as a matter of course.

I never said it was something to be ashamed of, it shows a level of pre planning on his part, rather than using the time in the house to learn about his fellow HMs with no preconceptions, what else do they have to do in there all day every day, and anyway they are allegedly not meant to know who is going in with them apart from those rumoured, :idc:

[poppsywoppsy]

No, it wasn't. I'm not going to discuss rhetorical devices with you here.

That's OK, I understand why you wouldn't :hehe:

[Withano]

That is an awful track record.

[Twosugars]

I never said it was something to be ashamed of, it shows a level of pre planning on his part, rather than using the time in the house to learn about his fellow HMs with no preconceptions, what else do they have to do in there all day every day, and anyway they are allegedly not meant to know who is going in with them apart from those rumoured, :idc:

I see your point.
I suppose it takes all sorts, some people want to know as much as they can to prepare themselves, others prefer to go with the flow.
Don't they say that roughly we fall into two personality types, organized and spontaneous, a and b, or something like that? Maybe that's where it comes from :shrug:

My point was that to me it seems natural to get all info you can. For example, I can never understand whenever a HM says that they never even watched the programme.

[Parmy]

That is an awful track record.

Not so drastic as painted though.....18yrs voted what could be described as 4 times against gay rights......

[Twosugars]

That's OK, I understand why you wouldn't :hehe:

good we have some understanding. Let's agree not to probe each other's knowledge coz it may get embarrassing. :hehe:

let's be adults and discuss issues and not get personal :pipe:

[Withano]

Not so drastic as painted though.....18yrs voted what could be described as 4 times against gay rights......

I mean, that wasn't the shocking bit really. If she was still in power today, she'd still be voting like Jesus' favourite dinosaur.

[Livia]

A bunch of tweets from someone I've never heard of, with no indication whether they are true, and even if they are, how old they are. Have we any tweets about sh1tty things anyone else in the house has done?

[Livia]

I mean, that wasn't the shocking bit really. If she was still in power today, she'd still be voting like Jesus' favourite dinosaur.

So now we should hate her for what she might have done! Priceless.

You have no idea how she might vote today, and neither does anyone else.

[Parmy]

I mean, that wasn't the shocking bit really. If she was still in power today, she'd still be voting like Jesus' favourite dinosaur.

The crossisaurus?..no. he hated crosses....the mathewassaurus.:shrug:

[Twosugars]

Not so drastic as painted though.....18yrs voted what could be described as 4 times against gay rights......

maybe there were only 4 occassions to be had? or she was otherwise engaged? :shrug:

[Withano]

So now we should hate her for what she might have done! Priceless.

You have no idea how she might vote today, and neither does anyone else.

Shes made her views today evidently clear. Have you been watching or?

[Livia]

Not so drastic as painted though.....18yrs voted what could be described as 4 times against gay rights......

Don't come in here spouting your common sense.

[Parmy]

I mean, that wasn't the shocking bit really. If she was still in power today, she'd still be voting like Jesus' favourite dinosaur.

Ok..if that wasnt the shocking bit!!!


Why is a high percentage of the forum using it against her?

[Livia]

Shes made her views today evidently clear. Have you been watching or?

Yes I am watching. Would you like her hung, hanged or just tarred and feathered?

[Withano]

Yes I am watching. Would you like her hung, hanged or just tarred and feathered?

You're just filling in the gaps everywhere today ent ya.

[Livia]

You're just filling in the gaps everywhere today ent ya.

What do you mean, Withano? What exactly do you mean, so I'm clear.

[Gusto Brunt]

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Parmy]

Don't come in here spouting your common sense.

Its doing my nut in.

[joeysteele]

Shes made her views today evidently clear. Have you been watching or?

She'd vote exactly the same way.
Her rigid religious views and religion hasn't changed.

So she still stick with her bigotry.

[Withano]

What do you mean, Withano? What exactly do you mean, so I'm clear.

Making assumptions all over the place, Livia. My only direct response was that it was a terrible track record. It is, i'd hope that you'd agree. Your posts must have filled in the gaps you assumed exist. Take stuff at face value more often perhaps.

[Parmy]

Answer the question withano.

[Livia]

Its doing my nut in.

ikr... Now they know how she'd vote today if she was still in parliament. They're magicians! They must be...because usually you cannot claim to know the operation of someone's mind.

[Marches]

Shes made her views today evidently clear. Have you been watching or?

???

[Livia]

Making assumptions all over the place, Livia. My only direct response was that it was a terrible track record. It is, i'd hope that you'd agree. Your posts must have filled in the gaps you assumed exist. Take stuff at face value more often perhaps.

I did a whole module on waffle at uni.

Don't keep insulting me personally or I will report you. And I don't want to... but it only seems fair.

[Withano]

Answer the question withano.

This thread has got so ridiculous, I cant tell if youre being serious. Obviously I dont want Ann tarred and feathered.. but the side discussion Livia was trying to have was us 'not knowing if she'd vote the same way' WHAT A ****ING MYSTERY HMM MMMM MM

[Livia]

This thread has got so ridiculous, I cant tell if youre being serious. Obviously I dont want Ann tarred and feathered.. but the side discussion Livia was trying to have was us 'not knowing if she'd vote the same way' WHAT A ****ING MYSTERY HMM MMMM MM

You cannot say how someone else will vote for anything, whether you like them, whether you don't... You can guess, you can't state it as fact.

[Withano]

I did a whole module on waffle at uni.

Don't keep insulting me personally or I will report you. And I don't want to... but it only seems fair.

Me: what an awful track record
Livia: WOW I CANT BELIEVE YOU WANT ANN HUNG
me: youre making assumptions all over the place
Livia: STOP BEING PERSONAL ABOUT ME OR I WILL REPORT YOU

this isnt your finest hour, I'll be honest.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I can't help but sit here and think if I were Ann sitting here reading all this, she'd be thinking this section needs more Jesus in it's life. Who knew a little ol' 70 year old woman could cause so much drama... it's not quite like being nailed to the cross, but damn.

[Ant.]

A bunch of tweets from someone I've never heard of, with no indication whether they are true, and even if they are, how old they are. Have we any tweets about sh1tty things anyone else in the house has done?

Half have been discussed by Ann in the house and the ones Ive googled have came up with multiple sources (so I'm betting they're all true)

So there's like, a 99% chance that they're all true

[Livia]

Me: what an awful track record
Livia: WOW I CANT BELIEVE YOU WANT ANN HUNG
me: youre making assumptions all over the place
Livia: STOP BEING PERSONAL ABOUT ME OR I WILL REPORT YOU

this isnt your finest hour, I'll be honest.

MY finest hour? You completely omitted one of your posts.

Anyhoo... back on topic...

[Livia]

Half have been discussed by Ann in the house and the ones Ive googled have came up with multiple sources (so I'm betting they're all true)

So there's like, a 99% chance that they're all true

All that time wasted at law school. I could have come on here and learned that if multiple internet sources say 99% of the information might be true, then it's all fine!

[Parmy]

This thread has got so ridiculous, I cant tell if youre being serious. Obviously I dont want Ann tarred and feathered.. but the side discussion Livia was trying to have was us 'not knowing if she'd vote the same way' WHAT A ****ING MYSTERY HMM MMMM MM


I doubt she would, after this experience she would probably be absent for the same 4 votes...

Lets hope she does a full 18yrs though to fit ALL those votes in though eh.:whistle:

[Ant.]

All that time wasted at law school. I could have come on here and learned that if multiple internet sources say 99% of the information might be true, then it's all fine!

... Well no, I said meant that, since I've not searched them all, then the '1%' is that some may be baseless

[Ant.]

Also, if you went to law school, you should be familiar with researching resources surely?

If so, surely you would be able to answer your own question by conducting your own research?

[Vicky.]

Its difficult to know where to start with deleting in this thread..near the whole thing is now baiting and such. Because of this, and the direction the thread took, might be best to simply remake it, if anyone wishes to keep discussing this. Please keep future posts about housemates.