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Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:01 PM
Cause im not very sure little jonny from wherever going out dressed like that is a very good idea.
Stay safe kids.
14 year old Jonny wearing makeup and a dress?
Why is it not a good idea?
montblanc
31-01-2018, 10:05 PM
SURELY you have to know what he means by that
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:05 PM
Little Johnny can do as he wishes.
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:06 PM
14 year old Jonny wearing makeup and a dress?
Why is it not a good idea?
He would be slaughtered at school.
Amy Jade
31-01-2018, 10:06 PM
I firmly believe that you should allow a child to dress up how they like, allow them to express themselves. What's the harm in letting a little boy dress as a princess or a little girl as a pirate etc
poppsywoppsy
31-01-2018, 10:07 PM
Courtney just couldn't resist it, could she.
Of course Johnny is going to bump into Ann any day soon.
Underscore
31-01-2018, 10:07 PM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:08 PM
I firmly believe that you should allow a child to dress up how they like, allow them to express themselves. What's the harm in letting a little boy dress as a princess or a little girl as a pirate etc
We are talking 14yr old...
poppsywoppsy
31-01-2018, 10:08 PM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
He is hypothetical
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:08 PM
He would be slaughtered at school.
Never healthy to live your life in fear of what others might think.
The future Ann Widdicomb's in his class matter not.
seaodw
31-01-2018, 10:09 PM
It was to do with any young confused LGBT child, it has nothing to do with drag and Shane j even said that. Shane j is a great role model and positive example for any confused young child to show to them however they feel is perfectly ok rather than what Ann is saying
He would be slaughtered at school.
The issue should be how the children are raised to believe that someone should be ridiculed for wearing makeup and a dress
In high school an ex pupil would visit frequently, and he wore makeup. No one batted an eye lid, not anyone who was 11 or anyone who was 16.
Yes, kids will bully kids for being 'different, but that will happen no matter what they wear
We are talking 14yr old...
And that changes Amy Jade' s point how exactly?
Amy Jade
31-01-2018, 10:12 PM
We are talking 14yr old...
If I happen to have a child who feels they are trans or enjoy dressing up as the gender they are not I will fully support them to simply be true to themselves and not pander to fools who say it's wrong.
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:12 PM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
I agree, but going on tv and dressing up as a woman to send out a msg to 14yr old boys that its ok..well its not ok, cause little johnny isnt on a tv show..hes in his bedroom getting ready to hit the mean estates of basildon dressed as a woman for the first time.
I agree, but going on tv and dressing up as a woman to send out a msg to 14yr old boys that its ok..well its not ok, cause little johnny isnt on a tv show..hes in his bedroom getting ready to hit the mean estates of basildon dressed as a woman for the first time.
But it is okay?
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:14 PM
I agree, but going on tv and dressing up as a woman to send out a msg to 14yr old boys that its ok..well its not ok, cause little johnny isnt on a tv show..hes in his bedroom getting ready to hit the mean estates of basildon dressed as a woman for the first time.
And telling everyone that a man dressing as a woman "is not ok" is really helping to change society to become more accepting of others?
Thankfully, the younger generations are raised a lot more open minded and are ever more accepting than the older generations. This will only improve as time passes. :love:
when did this forum become so right-wing...you don't even see posts like this on DS :conf:
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:15 PM
But it is okay?
It is ok to do it, but unwise and unsafe to parade about outside at that age.
It is ok to do it, but unwise and unsafe to parade about outside at that age.
But I don't see how it isn't?
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:18 PM
when did this forum become so right-wing...you don't even see posts like this on DS :conf:
A bb forum of all forums should be as left as it is right...and hardly political.:hehe:
Amy Jade
31-01-2018, 10:19 PM
I agree, but going on tv and dressing up as a woman to send out a msg to 14yr old boys that its ok..well its not ok, cause little johnny isnt on a tv show..hes in his bedroom getting ready to hit the mean estates of basildon dressed as a woman for the first time.
I don't think Courtney was suggesting a 14 year old boy should dress in drag and strut down an estate late at night he was simply saying a person should have the freedom to dress as any gender they choose without anyone making them feel like they are doing anything wrong.
I agree with him and as I said, should I happen to have a child who is born male but wishes to dress as a female as it makes him happy I will be behind him every step of the way
It just seems a tad victim blame-y to say a kid would get assaulted for wearing something
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:21 PM
But I don't see how it isn't?
Do you need me to spell out that he would end up either battered or emotionally scarred given time...little johnny can please himself but things in the real world aint all as rosy or as simple as courtney was saying tonight.
Withano
31-01-2018, 10:22 PM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
Oh god, obviously this. Idk why it needs to be discussed further. Johnny can do wtf he wants, and Parminion needs to stop bullying him at school.
Do you need me to spell out that he would end up either battered or emotionally scarred given time...little johnny can please himself but things in the real world aint all as rosy or as simple as courtney was saying tonight.
Many kids and teenagers give 0-1 ****s these days. And if they do, then they'll be punished. Children like Jonny shouldn't live in fear of getting hit across the head by a homophobe, especially when he probably won't
And telling everyone that a man dressing as a woman "is not ok" is really helping to change society to become more accepting of others?
Thankfully, the younger generations are raised a lot more open minded and are ever more accepting than the older generations. This will only improve as time passes. :love:Can't agree with that.
Look at how unaccepting the younger generation are of democratic results like Brexit or Trump. The cry like spoilt brats.
And don't forget the older generations were fighting for these same rights before you were a glint in the milkman's eye.
Withano
31-01-2018, 10:33 PM
Shane j telling gay 14yr old boys to dress like a woman is a lot more surpressng to them than me advising them to be safe....hence the msg to the youngest on the forum in my op..
.but yeah...carry on name calling...i wont bite this time im enjoying it here atm.:wavey:
Shane isnt telling anybody how to dress, only you are doing that
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:34 PM
Can't agree with that.
Look at how unaccepting the younger generation are of democratic results like Brexit or Trump. The cry like spoilt brats.
And don't forget the older generations were fighting for these same rights before you were a glint in the milkman's eye.
Trump and Brexit, you mean those hate-free, accepting and positive current world events? :joker:
joeysteele
31-01-2018, 10:37 PM
Courtney just couldn't resist it, could she.
Of course Johnny is going to bump into Ann any day soon.
Ann was his example, he was talking about others like Ann who would judge and want to possibly suppress expression by someone,who wanted and felt the need to.
What on earth is people's problems here,that they would want anyone, younger or older to feel inferior or self conscious about themselves for just wanting to express,yes even publicly,how they feel and how they want to express same.
Honestly there seems to be a possible unhealthy obsession against freedom of expression which may include sexuality.
I can nearly just see possibly why there is an anti Shane J around possibly from that.
The possible judgements as to him and how he expresses him are really the thing most odd to me.
I don't think it's Shane J that has the problems and suspect issues,no way.
Trump and Brexit, you mean those hate-free, accepting and positive current world events? :joker:If hate is all you find, then that's maybe what you're seeking?
Garfie
31-01-2018, 10:41 PM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
Yes, exactly. He's teaching them that it's okay to be yourself, even if that's different to the average person. Life would be so boring if people were all the same and people like Shane enrich our lives.
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:42 PM
If hate is all you find, then that's maybe what you're seeking?
Yeah, Trump and Brexit bringing nothing but peace and harmony to the world, through which only I see hate.
Yeah, you're totally right there Alfred.
Garfie
31-01-2018, 10:43 PM
The issue should be how the children are raised to believe that someone should be ridiculed for wearing makeup and a dress
:clap1:
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:48 PM
Shane isnt telling anybody how to dress, only you are doing that
Giving advice isnt telling someone..like i have said johnny can dress like he wants..so whats your personal issue mate...wanna take it to pm?
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 10:49 PM
Giving advice isnt telling someone..like i have said johnny can dress like he wants..so whats your personal issue mate...wanna take it to pm?
A wanna take it outside tea?
Parmy
31-01-2018, 10:52 PM
A wanna take it outside tea?
I have no idea what you just said...:shrug:
poppsywoppsy
31-01-2018, 10:56 PM
Ann was his example, he was talking about others like Ann who would judge and want to possibly suppress expression by someone,who wanted and felt the need to.
What on earth is people's problems here,that they would want anyone, younger or older to feel inferior or self conscious about themselves for just wanting to express,yes even publicly,how they feel and how they want to express same.
Honestly there seems to be a possible unhealthy obsession against freedom of expression which may include sexuality.
I can nearly just see possibly why there is an anti Shane J around possibly from that.
The possible judgements as to him and how he expresses him are really the thing most odd to me.
I don't think it's Shane J that has the problems and suspect issues,no way.
Oh God
Why read so much more into posts than they actually say.
Shane's full intention was to snipe at Ann again using some poor Johnny aged 15 to do so.
If it was not aimed at Ann, I could agree but it wasn't.
It wasn't even veiled tonight, I am amazed you couldn't see it.
Tom4784
31-01-2018, 10:57 PM
Voicing disappointment at a result is not being undemocratic, it's called having an opinion, it does go against democracy to debase someone's opinion in an attempt to deny them it in the first place though.
It says be who the **** you want to be and don’t let any disgruntled old dear or any bigoted youth for that matter stop you
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:06 PM
It was all going so well, and then he had to get on his soapbox, I wonder why we haven't seen any discussions which have taken place between Ann and Shane J, did she wipe the floor with him in a reasoned manner per chance
joeysteele
31-01-2018, 11:06 PM
It says be who the **** you want to be and don’t let any disgruntled old dear or any bigoted youth for that matter stop you
Totally right.
Very well and directly put too.
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 11:07 PM
It was all going so well, and then he had to get on his soapbox, I wonder why we haven't seen any discussions which have taken place between Ann and Shane J, did she wipe the floor with him in a reasoned manner per chance
Nothing like making assumptions about something that we haven't seen or even know if it happened.
Nothing like making assumptions about something that we haven't seen or even know if it happened.
Apparently some people get so engrossed in the show that they make up storylines as they go along
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:10 PM
Nothing like making assumptions about something that we haven't seen or even know if it happened.
Courtney referred to the discussions they had in tonights highlights right at then end when Wayne asked Courtney if they could just enjoy their last few days, I guess you aren't watching? or you have short term memory loss :laugh:
Have a google of Jamie: Drag Queen at 16, you might find it useful
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:11 PM
Apparently some people get so engrossed in the show that they make up storylines as they go along
oh another one, watch the last 10 minutes of tonights highlights :hee:
Tom4784
31-01-2018, 11:11 PM
It was all going so well, and then he had to get on his soapbox, I wonder why we haven't seen any discussions which have taken place between Ann and Shane J, did she wipe the floor with him in a reasoned manner per chance
Some something comment about you being there watching the editing take place something something.
As for the bolded point, this is an attitude that annoys me. 'Oh look at him, talking about issues that don't affect me ugh!'.
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:13 PM
Some something comment about you being there watching the editing take place something something.
As for the bolded point, this is an attitude that annoys me. 'Oh look at him, talking about issues that don't affect me ugh!'.
something something Courtney said it in tonight's hightlights are any of you actually watching something something :suspect:
how do you know the issues don't affect me?
something something Courtney said it in tonight's hightlights are any of you actually watching something something :suspect:
how do you know the issues don't affect me?
Courtney never said Ann wiped the floor with her, it’s pure conjecture
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 11:15 PM
Courtney referred to the discussions they had in tonights highlights right at then end when Wayne asked Courtney if they could just enjoy their last few days, I guess you aren't watching? or you have short term memory loss :laugh:
And you took that and made up a discussion that we didn't see and didn't know it happened where Ann apparently wiped the floor with him in a reasoned manner.
So, which show did you watch or were you hallucinating?
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:18 PM
And you took that and made up a discussion that we didn't see and didn't know it happened where Ann apparently wiped the floor with him in a reasoned manner.
So, which show did you watch or were you hallucinating?
I merely queried why we haven't seen any of the discussions, and posed a reason for it, I didn't claim anything as fact, but don't let that get in the way of you trying to have the last word
luvjustin
31-01-2018, 11:18 PM
This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.
How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.
This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 11:19 PM
I merely queried why we haven't seen any of the discussions, and posed a reason for it, I didn't claim anything as fac
"Merely queried" which resulted in Saint Ann again and the dismissal of her problematic views.
but don't let that get in the way of you trying to have the last word
Responding to someone who quoted me is trying to get the last word, but you're not?
Oh, please.
This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.
How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.
This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.
I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.
Cherry Christmas
31-01-2018, 11:20 PM
"Merely queried" which resulted in Saint Ann again and the dismissal of her problematic views.
Responding to someone who quoted me is trying to get the last word, but you're not?
Oh, please.
hit a nerve did I, you know you keep going like a duracell bunny even when you have nothing to say
Marsh.
31-01-2018, 11:22 PM
hit a nerve did I, you know you keep going like a duracell bunny even when you have nothing to say
We were discussing BB, Ann and Shane and you've resorted to discussing me instead.
Says more about your lack of actual input to the discussion than mine.
Enjoy your evening.
hit a nerve did I, you know you keep going like a duracell bunny even when you have nothing to say
You had nothing to say there yet you're still going
Energizer who?
luvjustin
31-01-2018, 11:23 PM
I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.
I think you’re right. Things seem to have gotten worse rather than better.
Garfie
31-01-2018, 11:28 PM
This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.
How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.
This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.
I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable and very sad.
joeysteele
31-01-2018, 11:34 PM
I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.
I think you are right there.
poppsywoppsy
31-01-2018, 11:35 PM
I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable and very sad.
I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.
Did not Julien Clary win?
The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.
Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.
No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.
luvjustin
31-01-2018, 11:49 PM
I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.
Did not Julien Clary win?
The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.
Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.
No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.
Nobody is saying people should win because they are gay.
Glenn-C
31-01-2018, 11:50 PM
Oh yes. Imagine that. Boys wearing dresses. What has society become?
Garfie
31-01-2018, 11:52 PM
I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.
Did not Julien Clary win?
The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.
Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.
No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.
I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.
Christmas Lights
31-01-2018, 11:59 PM
I firmly believe that you should allow a child to dress up how they like, allow them to express themselves. What's the harm in letting a little boy dress as a princess or a little girl as a pirate etc
I think it depends really . Kids have fun and dress up all the time.
But we live in a world where if a boy dresses a girl people now automatically assume he wants to be a girl , or that he has issues.
I remember at school even when a boy said pink was his favorite colour he'd get laughed at and mocked, I know things have changed now .
But now I think people get the wrong idea about things , there's some people that still misunderstand India & Courtney .
Cherry Christmas
01-02-2018, 12:05 AM
I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.
I don't hate him, I like him a lot of the time, they were having a nice time, second last night, Wayne asked him to give it a rest, it isn't anything we haven't heard before, It looked like even lWayne had enough, if he thinks a 14 year old boy is going to listen to Ann Widdicome he is pretty deluded
Rustic bauble
01-02-2018, 12:09 AM
Voicing disappointment at a result is not being undemocratic, it's called having an opinion, it does go against democracy to debase someone's opinion in an attempt to deny them it in the first place though.
Well that's rich...you shut me down a couple of years ago for supporting my fave that wasn't yours... I've always been decent on here.
Practice what you preach.
Marsh.
01-02-2018, 12:19 AM
you shut me down a couple of years ago
:joker:
Marches
01-02-2018, 12:20 AM
I think you’re right. Things seem to have gotten worse rather than better.
Exactly. People want the vapid ken doll to win. I thought big brother was a judge of endurance and character, two things he lacks :(
Marsh.
01-02-2018, 12:21 AM
Ken doll?
He's more a Barbie imo.
Garfie
01-02-2018, 12:25 AM
I don't hate him, I like him a lot of the time, they were having a nice time, second last night, Wayne asked him to give it a rest, it isn't anything we haven't heard before, It looked like even lWayne had enough, if he thinks a 14 year old boy is going to listen to Ann Widdicome he is pretty deluded
I'm glad you don't hate him - nobody is perfect and every individual behaves in a way others don't agree with at times, but that doesn't mean they deserve hate. I just seem to be seeing a lot of hatred on here at the moment, and it deters me from taking part in discussions.
I don't think he necessarily just meant Ann but views like hers in general. A 14 year old boy struggling with his sexuality is going to make decisions on whether or not he can be himself by listening to the views of people he encounters, whether in person or through the media, and could feel reluctant to be himself if he hears views like Ann's.
I think all Shane was saying is that those sort of views could have a detrimental impact on a young gay person's life, and in my opinion he's not wrong in that as it's a very valid point.
Christmas Lights
01-02-2018, 12:27 AM
:joker:
I don't think it's funny :bored:, I'm pretty sure nobody wants to get shut down when we're all here to express ourselves surely ? .
Marsh.
01-02-2018, 12:31 AM
I don't think it's funny :bored:, I'm pretty sure nobody wants to get shut down when we're all here to express ourselves surely ? .
Nobody's been shut down.
I found it funny that something minor from two years ago was being dragged up in a discussion thread on a Big Brother forum. That's bloody hilarious.
poppsywoppsy
01-02-2018, 12:44 AM
I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.
Can't it be the same reason people don't like any housemate
I didn't like Helen Wood or Bear or a lot of others
I took against Shane for his entrance and for his banging on and on about the same issues. Recently his going round the housemates didn't endear me to him either.
I also felt the same about India
I detest Andrew and never liked him from day1,
Didn't like Dapper again because in my opinion he was crude
None of my dislike for Shane was because he was gay. I disliked him as a person who happened to be Gay. His being gay was neither here nor there but his behaviour in the house was the contributing factor as to why I disliked him.
I dare say there are people dislike him for being gay, but he should not get away with his behaviour in the house by just being gay either.
I just wish people could forget their sexuality and just treat people as people.
Christmas Lights
01-02-2018, 12:48 AM
Can't it be the same reason people don't like any housemate
I didn't like Helen Wood or Bear or a lot of others
I took against Shane for his entrance and for his banging on and on about the same issues. Recently his going round the housemates didn't endear me to him either.
I also felt the same about India
I detest Andrew and never liked him from day1,
Didn't like Dapper again because in my opinion he was crude
None of my dislike for Shane was because he was gay. I disliked him as a person who happened to be Gay. His being gay was neither here nor there but his behaviour in the house was the contributing factor as to why I disliked him.
I dare say there are people dislike him for being gay, but he should not get away with his behaviour in the house by just being gay either.
I just wish people could forget their sexuality and just treat people as people.
Completely agree :clap1:
Robertocarlo
01-02-2018, 01:33 AM
Maybe we should be teaching children to stand up to bullies and stereotypes instead of cowering from them?
Exactly. I thought Courtney had a well thought out argument.
...I don’t see how ShaneJ’s words with Wayne last night would be described as getting on his soapbox as if they were a negative in his character...he was just saying...it’s ok for you and I in our lives, Wayne but for many others it isn’t, and especially referring to younger people who are finding a struggle with being accepted...that’s a positive in his character that he thinks of others surely, rather than just think well I’m alright Jack, my life is great with my sexuality...I do understand that the housemates want to have a fun time as well to balance out their stay in the house and not always have more serious conversations etc...but then with Shane J it feels to me, that if he’s more serious in engaging discussions, it’s often met with disapproval and oh no, not again, why can’t you just have fun and be lighter...but then when he was lighter and more flirtatious and frivolous etc with Andrew ..the most ‘fun’ Shane, Ann showed such disapproval for that as well...so what’s a poor drag queen to do because whichever old way, it’s not really being approved of...anyway I liked his words with Wayne, they showed someone who looks beyond themselves and affects on their own life....I don’t know why we haven’t seen more of the discussions in a year that was meant to more go back to old time BB, when these conversations and interesting discussions were so much a part of it....
Cause im not very sure little jonny from wherever going out dressed like that is a very good idea.
Stay safe kids.
Little Johnny can do as he wishes.
I firmly believe that you should allow a child to dress up how they like, allow them to express themselves. What's the harm in letting a little boy dress as a princess or a little girl as a pirate etc
...just going back to the OP and these posts...yeah, maybe you’re right Parmy and maybe little Johnny wouldn’t be safe in the world of today...but that’s the point though, I mean the point of Shane J’s soapbox as it were...little Johnny should be safe as Marsh has said and Amy has said, he should be able to have the same freedoms as anyone else to dress how wishes...but we haven’t reached there yet, have we...there are certain acceptances we haven’t reached so it’s not just saying or feeling ...oh some equalities have been given so let be that of that and all done now and all move on etc...Shane sees that, he understands that, he understands and sees little Johnny and the 14yr old little Johnnys of the future who should be able to say...I want to become a drag queen when I’m older and feel perfectly safe in openly saying that, not feeling any ‘threat’ from anyone around them.. Shane J not only sees and understands it all, but he speaks out to try to get understanding from others so that, we don’t stay in the past or the present of little Johnny being or feeling less safe as it were but try to aim to move forward to the future of that not being the case so much...
Garfie
01-02-2018, 06:00 AM
...just going back to the OP and these posts...yeah, maybe you’re right Parmy and maybe little Johnny wouldn’t be safe in the world of today...but that’s the point though, I mean the point of Shane J’s soapbox as it were...little Johnny should be safe as Marsh has said and Amy has said, he should be able to have the same freedoms as anyone else to dress how wishes...but we haven’t reached there yet, have we...there are certain acceptances we haven’t reached so it’s not just saying or feeling ...oh some equalities have been given so let be that of that and all done now and all move on etc...Shane sees that, he understands that, he understands and sees little Johnny and the little Johnnys of the future but not only sees and understands, but he speaks out to try to get understanding from others so that, we don’t stay in the past or the present of little Johnny being less safe as it were but try to aim to move forward to the future of that not being the case so much...
Yes, exactly this. :clap1:
Withano
01-02-2018, 06:17 AM
Giving advice isnt telling someone..like i have said johnny can dress like he wants..so whats your personal issue mate...wanna take it to pm?
Literally every post you made is telling him how to dress, when the hell do you think you said he can dress like he wants!? You repeatedly said the opposite.
thesheriff443
01-02-2018, 06:31 AM
On a side note, did any one see the picture of Lewis hamalton with his nephew in a princess dress that he brought him, clearly a pr stunt to try and dig himself out of the hole.
In London teenagers are killing one another for being in the wrong post code, argue all you want but it's not safe to be walking in some places all over country.
..yeah I do totally agree, Sheriff...but I think what Shane J is trying to convey is...do we stick with that ‘not safe’ and say..ok, well that’s as far as it can go and that’s that of that, type thing...or do we look to and hope to progress to it becoming more safe in terms of acceptances.../...those places we haven’t reached yet ....he wants to look at those safer places of acceptance for little 14yr old Johnny of being able to openly say...I want to be a drag queen when I’m older and feel the same safety as if it had been any other form of entertainment, like an actor, a dancer, a musician etc...to break down any prejudices that might create a place of less safety as there still is in some cases and places right now in time...obviously being safe right here and right now for little Johnny is of absolute importance to all of us...but I also think that ShaneJ’s soapbox is essential as well...
Parmy
01-02-2018, 07:40 AM
Literally every post you made is telling him how to dress, when the hell do you think you said he can dress like he wants!? You repeatedly said the opposite.
There you go...your hatred for me has clouded your mind....go have another look mikey.
Oliver_W
01-02-2018, 07:46 AM
Meh, I don't like ShaneJ but I see his point.
As cringey as this is gonna sound - sometimes, young LGBT people need to be told "you're okay kid"
Cherry Christmas
01-02-2018, 07:53 AM
I'm glad you don't hate him - nobody is perfect and every individual behaves in a way others don't agree with at times, but that doesn't mean they deserve hate. I just seem to be seeing a lot of hatred on here at the moment, and it deters me from taking part in discussions.
I don't think he necessarily just meant Ann but views like hers in general. A 14 year old boy struggling with his sexuality is going to make decisions on whether or not he can be himself by listening to the views of people he encounters, whether in person or through the media, and could feel reluctant to be himself if he hears views like Ann's.
I think all Shane was saying is that those sort of views could have a detrimental impact on a young gay person's life, and in my opinion he's not wrong in that as it's a very valid point.
I don't doubt the point was valid, I just felt it wasn't the time or place, they were all having a nice time, final 5 they all deserve their place, let the best HM win now, there is no need at this point of the show to continue to denigrate Ann, I feel at times he cares more about winning than anything else
Parmy
01-02-2018, 07:57 AM
Some something comment about you being there watching the editing take place something something.
As for the bolded point, this is an attitude that annoys me. 'Oh look at him, talking about issues that don't affect me ugh!'.
They dont effect shane either.
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 08:03 AM
I firmly believe that you should allow a child to dress up how they like, allow them to express themselves. What's the harm in letting a little boy dress as a princess or a little girl as a pirate etc
and when you have kids get back to us
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 08:04 AM
On a side note, did any one see the picture of Lewis hamalton with his nephew in a princess dress that he brought him, clearly a pr stunt to try and dig himself out of the hole.
In London teenagers are killing one another for being in the wrong post code, argue all you want but it's not safe to be walking in some places all over country.
yes it was a pathetic stunt
thesheriff443
01-02-2018, 08:54 AM
..yeah I do totally agree, Sheriff...but I think what Shane J is trying to convey is...do we stick with that ‘not safe’ and say..ok, well that’s as far as it can go and that’s that of that, type thing...or do we look to and hope to progress to it becoming more safe in terms of acceptances.../...those places we haven’t reached yet ....he wants to look at those safer places of acceptance for little 14yr old Johnny of being able to openly say...I want to be a drag queen when I’m older and feel the same safety as if it had been any other form of entertainment, like an actor, a dancer, a musician etc...to break down any prejudices that might create a place of less safety as there still is in some cases and places right now in time...obviously being safe right here and right now for little Johnny is of absolute importance to all of us...but I also think that ShaneJ’s soapbox is essential as well...
I agree ammi, every one should be able to live in society as they choose but in reality it's not safe to do that in this country for the most part and that's not going to change for a long time sadly
We have no where near got to grips with the issues of racism and sexism, but gay marriages being made legal was a big step in accepting the gay comunity.
joeysteele
01-02-2018, 09:23 AM
...I don’t see how ShaneJ’s words with Wayne last night would be described as getting on his soapbox as if they were a negative in his character...he was just saying...it’s ok for you and I in our lives, Wayne but for many others it isn’t, and especially referring to younger people who are finding a struggle with being accepted...that’s a positive in his character that he thinks of others surely, rather than just think well I’m alright Jack, my life is great with my sexuality...I do understand that the housemates want to have a fun time as well to balance out their stay in the house and not always have more serious conversations etc...but then with Shane J it feels to me, that if he’s more serious in engaging discussions, it’s often met with disapproval and oh no, not again, why can’t you just have fun and be lighter...but then when he was lighter and more flirtatious and frivolous etc with Andrew ..the most ‘fun’ Shane, Ann showed such disapproval for that as well...so what’s a poor drag queen to do because whichever old way, it’s not really being approved of...anyway I liked his words with Wayne, they showed someone who looks beyond themselves and affects on their own life....I don’t know why we haven’t seen more of the discussions in a year that was meant to more go back to old time BB, when these conversations and interesting discussions were so much a part of it....
One of the most inspirational posts I've ever read in here.
This is something I have liked as to Shane J,from the start.
His looking out for and with others.
I found this talk interesting and just about all his points valid.
Also as you state,his more fun times get derided too.
I just warmed even more towards him last night on the highlights in that chat with Wayne.
For me it just wasn't long enough.
I really see little to genuinely criticise Shane J for in this series.
For me,as with some of the others too,one of the best things about this series,has been being able to learn more as to Shane J.
Your posts on this Ammi, are both a tonic and so refreshing to come across.
I for one,thank you for them.
One of the most inspirational posts I've ever read in here.
This is somethingbI have liked as to Shane J,from the start.
His looking out for and with others.
I found this talk interesting and just about all his points valid.
Also as you state,his more fun times get derided too.
I just warmed even more towards him last night on the highlights in that chat with Wayne.
For me it just wasn't long enough.
I really see little to genuinely criticise Shane J for in this series.
For me,as with some of the others too,one of the best things about this series,has been being able to learn more as to Shane J.
Your posts on this Ammi, are both a tonic and so refreshing to come across.
I for one,thank you for them.:joker:
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 09:27 AM
I think most people can see that there is a middle ground between monotonous monologues on the same sanctimonious subjects night after night and scissoring on the floor grunting
:rolleyes:
what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 09:28 AM
:joker:
:joker:
Cherry Christmas
01-02-2018, 09:33 AM
what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change
I wonder how many young Tibbers are crying into their soup over Ann Widdicombes views, the over reactions are laughable
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 09:41 AM
Silly Bollox has surely put people off coming out, they must think "Jesus will I end up as bitter and twisted as him if someone doesn't agree with all I say ?" and end up locked in the closet forever !
He doing himself no favours by claiming to be in there for every gay in the world, when everyone knows he's in there for HIMSELF and is using gay people to get what he wants
Silly Bollox has surely put people off coming out, they must think "Jesus will I end up as bitter and twisted as him if someone doesn't agree with all I say ?" and end up locked in the closet forever !
He doing himself no favours by claiming to be in there for every gay in the world, when everyone knows he's in there for HIMSELF and is using gay people to get what he wantsA new wardrobe.
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 09:49 AM
I expect if he wins he wont be brave enough to be himself but instead he will put on his costume and be someone who he wishes he was
I dont think this alter ego thing is very healthy at all and as for getting a partner i doubt he will have any luck until he begins to love himself as shane
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 09:51 AM
A new wardrobe.
Something a bit more classy I hope Alf ... As soon as the show is over ( Well after he's taken Andrew to Travelodge and given him what he's after ) he will go to Heathrow and piss off back where he came from and not give a single thought to all the UK mugs who believe the new Saviour is here for them and their "cause" (Do straight people have a cause Alf or do we just get on with our lives ?)
Marches
01-02-2018, 09:52 AM
I think Shane j might genuinly have bipolar hence the need to dress up in drag
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 09:55 AM
I think Shane j might genuinly have bipolar hence the need to dress up in drag
Or is just a bloody weirdo with ideas above his station :laugh3:
joeysteele
01-02-2018, 10:12 AM
:joker:
There's nothing funny about even just in part bigotry and prejudice towards others Alf.
Certainly not to me and thankfully it seems to others on here too.
There's nothing funny about even just in part bigotry and prejudice towards others Alf.
Certainly not to me and thankfully it seems to others on here too.Would you like a badge saying how great you are?
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 10:19 AM
Would you like a badge saying how great you are?
Have you run out of labels Alf ? :joker:
thesheriff443
01-02-2018, 10:29 AM
He can't have my sheriffs badge
Livia
01-02-2018, 10:42 AM
Do you need me to spell out that he would end up either battered or emotionally scarred given time...little johnny can please himself but things in the real world aint all as rosy or as simple as courtney was saying tonight.
I got slaughtered as school, I didn't even need to dress up. If someone wants to experiment with their gender, I'm not sure school would be the ideal place to start.
Withano
01-02-2018, 11:01 AM
There you go...your hatred for me has clouded your mind....go have another look mikey.
Saying he shouldn't wear a dress for various reasons is telling him how to dress... you are telling somebody how to dress... I'll be honest, I rarely notice your posts, there's no hate for you personally. Your posts in this thread are a bit all over the place
Cherry Christmas
01-02-2018, 11:02 AM
He can't have my sheriffs badge
:oh:
Garfie
01-02-2018, 11:06 AM
Or is just a bloody weirdo with ideas above his station :laugh3:
A 'weirdo'? Says it all really. :facepalm:
Peppermint
01-02-2018, 11:33 AM
Shane/Courtney is sending the message that it's okay to do it. Do you think it's not?
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 11:34 AM
Shane/Courtney is sending the message that it's okay to do it. Do you think it's not?
A message to who ? and who made him the bloody Messiah ?
Peppermint
01-02-2018, 11:36 AM
A message to who ? and who made him the bloody Messiah ?
Anybody watching the show. He will be crowned on Friday. :smug:
Black Dagger
01-02-2018, 11:37 AM
What a joke of a thread.
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 11:38 AM
Anybody watching the show. He will be crowned on Friday. :smug:
No doubt he will, Ive never said he wouldn't win ,not has anyone else that Ive seen, but is he worthy ? is he chuff
thesheriff443
01-02-2018, 12:02 PM
I got slaughtered as school, I didn't even need to dress up. If someone wants to experiment with their gender, I'm not sure school would be the ideal place to start.
I think school would be the best place to start and continue thru the years in education lessons based on social awareness, sexism racism and sexuality much more than it is touched on at the moment.
Tom4784
01-02-2018, 12:10 PM
The morale of this thread.
'We should let bullies win, don't dare to be different, be as spineless as everyone else.'
Garfie
01-02-2018, 12:11 PM
I think school would be the best place to start and continue thru the years in education lessons based on social awareness, sexism racism and sexuality much more than it is touched on at the moment.
Absolutely agree. This would make it the norm, and although a minority view will never be changed, the majority would be so much more accepting. The media also has a role to play though, and that's why someone like Shane J on BB is important.
Peppermint
01-02-2018, 12:38 PM
No doubt he will, Ive never said he wouldn't win ,not has anyone else that Ive seen, but is he worthy ? is he chuff
Absolutely
joeysteele
01-02-2018, 12:42 PM
The morale of this thread.
'We should let bullies win, don't dare to be different, be as spineless as everyone else.'
You are right,it is and that's how it comes across too.
It's both really sad but worrying too.
Christmas Dynasnow
01-02-2018, 12:43 PM
The morale of this thread.
'We should let bullies win, don't dare to be different, be as spineless as everyone else.'
Dont disguise your own agenda with any "group moral" thanks
people can and do speak for themselves
Robodog
01-02-2018, 12:55 PM
The morale of this thread.
'We should let bullies win, don't dare to be different, be as spineless as everyone else.'
I think the moral of the thread is more concerned with the sexualisation of minors
It's one thing for 'little johnny' to explore or express his femininity
Another thing for him to dress (or act) like a prostitute
In that respect i find Shane J's 'message' infinitely more disturbing than Ann's
If Shane J wants be this self-appointed voice of gender exploration, especially for CHILDREN (as he mentioned last night), then glamour-vixen Courtney in all her mangina revealing glory is SERIOUSLY NOT the best role model for your child
.
TomToWin
01-02-2018, 01:32 PM
What I do not understand is why some gay men feel the need to dress up as a lady? It sort of defeats the purpose.
Tom4784
01-02-2018, 01:44 PM
I think the moral of the thread is more concerned with the sexualisation of minors
It's one thing for 'little johnny' to explore or express his femininity
Another thing for him to dress (or act) like a prostitute
In that respect i find Shane J's 'message' infinitely more disturbing than Ann's
If Shane J wants be this self-appointed voice of gender exploration, especially for CHILDREN (as he mentioned last night), then glamour-vixen Courtney in all her mangina revealing glory is SERIOUSLY NOT the best role model for your child
.
It's not really the morale of the thread if you're the only one that's drawn that conclusion.
I find the whole role model point to be shallow as well, very slut shaming in a way. The way someone dresses does not make them any less of a role model, we should look for how a person acts to judge their worth in that regard, not how they look.
chuff me dizzy
01-02-2018, 01:45 PM
I think the moral of the thread is more concerned with the sexualisation of minors
It's one thing for 'little johnny' to explore or express his femininity
Another thing for him to dress (or act) like a prostitute
In that respect i find Shane J's 'message' infinitely more disturbing than Ann's
If Shane J wants be this self-appointed voice of gender exploration, especially for CHILDREN (as he mentioned last night), then glamour-vixen Courtney in all her mangina revealing glory is SERIOUSLY NOT the best role model for your child
.
I find his "message to the community" very disturbing too
Oliver_W
01-02-2018, 01:56 PM
what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change
I think the idea is to make Little Johnny feel okay about himself, rather than stopping Patrick and Muhammed from bullying him
Tom4784
01-02-2018, 01:57 PM
I find his "message to the community" very disturbing too
Not surprising.
poppsywoppsy
01-02-2018, 02:00 PM
I think the idea is to make Little Johnny feel okay about himself, rather than stopping Patrick and Muhammed from bullying him
Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.
sungrass
01-02-2018, 02:08 PM
Can't agree with that.
Look at how unaccepting the younger generation are of democratic results like Brexit or Trump. The cry like spoilt brats.
And don't forget the older generations were fighting for these same rights before you were a glint in the milkman's eye.
They dont in the UK no one cares either way - the media bloow things out of proportion to generate click bait and divide the country.
Tom4784
01-02-2018, 02:10 PM
Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.
Why should a person be responsible for the actions of a bully? That's silly.
Do women that go out in revealing clothes have to take some of the responsibility if they are attacked? Why blame the victim when it's another person's actions that are the problem?
Oliver_W
01-02-2018, 02:12 PM
Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.
Well, maybe.
When I was younger, the most "inspirational" (for want of better word) LGBT character for me was Maxxie from Skins. He just another character, treated like anyone else. He didn't need to be alll OOHH I'M LGBTQWERTYGENDERQUEERVEGAN because that stuff doesn't matter:)
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