watch and learn Amanda: Andrew is new LGBT champion

[Twosugars]

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for :shrug: A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

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Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win :cheer2:

[BBUK-Fan]

Of course the sister would agree but Andrew is a twat

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I didn't know his sister was gay. Nice that Andrew is so supportive :)

[bots]

no doubt she will receive a cut now from any pending magazine deals :idc:

[chuff me dizzy]

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for :shrug: A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

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Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win :cheer2:

Laughable :joker:

[Cherry Christmas]

He supports his sister, what a guy

[Christmas Dynasnow]

omg

:laugh2:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not Andrew being "in the community"

:omgno:

[chuff me dizzy]

Not Andrew being "in the community"

:omgno:

New spokesman for LGBT :hehe:

[Twosugars]

Snigger away :laugh:
LGBT march goes on :dance:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

New spokesman for LGBT :hehe:

:nono:

LGBTQI

[chuff me dizzy]

Snigger away :laugh:
LGBT march goes on :dance:

Whens the next meeting and where, i will be there

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Snigger away :laugh:
LGBT march goes on :dance:

LGBTQI


did you not get the memo?

[chuff me dizzy]

:nono:

LGBTQI

Sorry :bawling:

[Parmy]

He does have that bitterness about him so i can see why the op thinks this.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Snigger away :laugh:
LGBT march goes on :dance:

Tonight episode sounds awesome! No Amanda and plenty of Shandrew! And it's great to see the lads back! :banana:

[Jason.]

Don't have to be a bigot to be a prick.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Tonight episode sounds awesome! No Amanda and plenty of Shandrew! And it's great to see the lads back! :banana:

yes but its only you that thinks that

[Marcus.]

yes but its only you that thinks that

oh and tiwter

[Marches]

Andrew, getting airtime at the expense of trivialising a whole community!

[chuff me dizzy]

Andrew, getting airtime at the expense of trivialising a whole community!

And Shane with mocking women

[Livia]

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for :shrug: A lesbian wet dream?



You could Google it? Or you could ignore it, ignorance being bliss and all that.

[Robodog]

Andrew 'i'd smash that' Brady?

Andrew 'if Courtney had a dick i'd go to town on that' Brady?

Andrew 'Ann is a ****' Brady?


yeah great spokesperson for sex and gender issues


!

[chuff me dizzy]

Andrew 'i'd smash that' Brady?

Andrew 'if Courtney had a dick i'd go to town on that' Brady?

Andrew 'Ann is a ****' Brady?


yeah great spokesperson for sex and gender issues


!

:clap1: Lovely lad, his family must be so proud

[Tinsel Toes]

Of course the sister would agree but Andrew is a twat

Yes of the highest order ! Twat Twat Twat who cares what his sisters sexual preference is !
Just stop shoving the LBGT down our throats its over bearing.

[Jamie89]

Nice to hear, it's amazing how often family members aren't supportive when someone comes out. Guess he's not so bad after all :clap2:

[Kazanne]

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for :shrug: A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

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Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win :cheer2:

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

[Twosugars]

Yes of the highest order ! Twat Twat Twat who cares what his sisters sexual preference is !
Just stop shoving the LBGT down our throats its over bearing.

so why you care to read and post in this thread? The title said clearly it was about lgbt. So we shove it down your throat and yet you come for more :shrug:
Just ignore it, mate. Or is it the problem that threads supporting lgbt exist at all?

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

:worship: Dragged up

[chuff me dizzy]

so why you care to read and post in this thread? The title said clearly it was about lgbt. So we shove it down your throat and yet you come for more :shrug:
Just ignore it, mate. Or is it the problem that threads supporting lgbt exist at all?

This is the BIG BROTHER forum ,not the LGBT forum

[Twosugars]

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

you clearly don't, but then again it is not all about you, huh?

some people do care as it happens.

[Twosugars]

This is the BIG BROTHER forum ,not the LGBT forum

with lgbt issues present in BB.

do you have a problem with that? maybe let the moderators decide if my thread is not relevant on this forum?

[chuff me dizzy]

you clearly don't, but then again it is not all about you, huh?

some people do care as it happens.

Dont get personal

[joeysteele]

He supports his sister, what a guy

Well actually he is at least as to that.

In many families,those being Gay anguish at times as to coming out.
When they do it is amazing how badly one or more of their siblings take it.

No everyone,you may be surprised to learn,gets solid family support at the time or for a long period afterwards.

Easy to scoff but lives can be devastated when anyone comes out to family,then finds rejection.

[bots]

with lgbt issues present in BB.

do you have a problem with that? maybe let the moderators decide if my thread is not relevant on this forum?

bb is an entertainment show not bloody panarama

[Marches]

But it’s a god awful thread why would scumbag Andrew Represent a community he essentially mocked on live tv to keep him in big brother

[Twosugars]

Dont get personal

and you don't try to shut down opinions/threads you don't agree with

[joeysteele]

I didn't know his sister was gay. Nice that Andrew is so supportive :)

It is Vanessa, really good to hear about.

[chuff me dizzy]

bb is an entertainment show not bloody panarama

:clap1: Roll on Friday and the end to all the LGBT balls !! Im bored rigid of reading it and watching it now

[bots]

and you don't try to shut down opinions/threads you don't agree with

having an opinion that disagrees with the op's is shutting the thread down? wow, cool

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Nice to hear, it's amazing how often family members aren't supportive when someone comes out. Guess he's not so bad after all :clap2:

what was the alternative?

he hates his sister because of her sex life?

:umm2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It is Vanessa, really good to hear about.

I adore Shane and Andrew friendship, so i can't want for tonight show. And it's nice to see Andrew and his sister supporting Shane. I think Shane is indeed amazing.

[Tinsel Toes]

so why you care to read and post in this thread? The title said clearly it was about lgbt. So we shove it down your throat and yet you come for more :shrug:
Just ignore it, mate. Or is it the problem that threads supporting lgbt exist at all?

My only daughter is gay so don't pontificate to me ok

[Twosugars]

what was the alternative?

he hates his sister because of her sex life?

:umm2:

hate to break the news, but in some families that's what happens. Parents, silbilings distance themselves or even disown their gay relatives.
So it is refreshing he offers full and public support even though I bet he will get some ribbing from his straight mates and strangers.

[Kazanne]

I will be honest here I don't believe a word Andrew says let alone his family, so I take it all with a pinch of salt, attention seeking at it's worst.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

hate to break the news, but in some families that's what happens. Parents, silbilings distance themselves or even disown their gay relatives.
So it is refreshing he offers full and public support even though I bet he will get some ribbing from his straight mates and strangers.

and thankfully its rare

so what is your point?

[Twosugars]

and thankfully its rare

so what is your point?

[Twosugars takes LeatherTrumpet's hand and leads him to the title of this thread and says] that's my point :blush:

[Jamie89]

what was the alternative?

he hates his sister because of her sex life?

:umm2:

The alternative to supportive would be not supportive

[Cherry Christmas]

Well actually he is at least as to that.

In many families,those being Gay anguish at times as to coming out.
When they do it is amazing how badly one or more of their siblings take it.

No everyone,you may be surprised to learn,gets solid family support at the time or for a long period afterwards.

Easy to scoff but lives can be devastated when anyone comes out to family,then finds rejection.

Really Joey you are claiming millenials have closed minds? I think it would be very rare, we are talking about brothers and sisters in their 20s on this thread, not parents, bringing in an older generation is just muddying the waters on your behalf

[poppsywoppsy]

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

:clap1:

[joeysteele]

Really Joey you are claiming millenials have closed minds? I think it would be very rare, we are talking about brothers and sisters in their 20s on this thread, not parents, bringing in an older generation is just muddying the waters on your behalf

Yes Cherie I am saying that exactly.
If you think it is still all a rosy experience for all,you are sadly mistaken.

As I said easy to scoff,and dismiss too it seems from your reaction.

[Vicky.]

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

[Tinsel Toes]

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

OMG - a whole audience full of :clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

She's a nice lady she doesn't need a label to hide behind

[Twosugars]

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

[poppsywoppsy]

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

Far better than throwing her toys out of the pram for any perceived slight

The lady is quite right.

[rionablue]

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for :shrug: A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

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Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win :cheer2:

Trying to keep him relevant

[Cherry Christmas]

Yes Cherie I am saying that exactly.
If you think it is still all a rosy experience for all,you are sadly mistaken.

As I said easy to scoff,and dismiss too it seems from your reaction.

I don't believe you

[Vicky.]

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life :D :p

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

[chuff me dizzy]

Trying to keep him relevant

After calling an OAP the word he chose too ,he has no relevance

[bots]

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life :D :p

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

Because it means they can change their minds easier at a later date? That would be my thoughts. Or maybe that's the less "shocking" notification for relatives?

[poppsywoppsy]

Amanda has worked with the best drag queens over the years, I never liked Danny La Rue but he would make mincemeat of Courtney.

It is like Harrods being challenged by Poundland.

[chuff me dizzy]

Amanda has worked with the best drag queens over the years, I never liked Danny La Rue but he would make mincemeat of Courtney.

It is like Harrods being challenged by Poundland.

Couldn't have put that better myself !!

[joeysteele]

Nice to hear, it's amazing how often family members aren't supportive when someone comes out. Guess he's not so bad after all :clap2:

It's so true Jamie.

I know a guy,his Brother won't visit the house of their parents because the Brother who lives there is gay.

I know another who moved out because of rows with his Sister after stating he was gay.

Plus another from an Asian family who has in effect been disowned because he is gay.

Think also about footballers and sports stars really scared to even hint they are gay, for fear of the reaction to same.

Some people who'd deny that could happen today,like to cocoon themselves away from reality as to how difficult it can be for some, to even just approach thinking of daring to say they are gay or lesbian.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It's so true Jamie.

I know a guy,his Brother won't visit the house of their parents because the Brother who lives there is gay.

I know another who moved out because of rows with his Sister after stating he was gay.

Plus another from an Asian family who has in effect been disowned because he is gay.

Think also about footballers and sports stars really scared to even hint they are gay, for fear of the reaction to same.

Some people who'd deny that could happen today,like to cocoon themselves away from reality as to how difficult it can be for some, to even just approach thinking of daring to say they are gay or lesbian.

Yes, the thing i love most about Andrew is how open minded he is.

[Vicky.]

Because it means they can change their minds easier at a later date? That would be my thoughts. Or maybe that's the less "shocking" notification for relatives?

They could change their minds at a later date anyway though surely.

I am a lesbian. Oh, I have discovered there actually are men I fancy. So I am and always was really bi. Or so on.

Identifying as seems so...wooly :laugh:

[Tinsel Toes]

It's so true Jamie.

I know a guy,his Brother won't visit the house of their parents because the Brother who lives there is gay.

I know another who moved out because of rows with his Sister after stating he was gay.

Plus another from an Asian family who has in effect been disowned because he is gay.

Think also about footballers and sports stars really scared to even hint they are gay, for fear of the reaction to same.

Some people who'd deny that could happen today,like to cocoon themselves away from reality as to how difficult it can be for some, to even just approach thinking of daring to say they are gay or lesbian.

I feel very sad for these people , my daughter never told me but i knew for ages, she could have said i was there for her - but - she has always found it difficult to discuss , all i want is for her happiness , it really is !

[Jamie89]

It's so true Jamie.

I know a guy,his Brother won't visit the house of their parents because the Brother who lives there is gay.

I know another who moved out because of rows with his Sister after stating he was gay.

Plus another from an Asian family who has in effect been disowned because he is gay.

Think also about footballers and sports stars really scared to even hint they are gay, for fear of the reaction to same.

Some people who'd deny that could happen today,like to cocoon themselves away from reality as to how difficult it can be for some, to even just approach thinking of daring to say they are gay or lesbian.

That's awful, one of my friends comes from quite a strict muslim family and he's actually considered allowing his parents to find him a wife just to not have to come out to them (even though he currently lives with his boyfriend :laugh: ) And another friend of mine's parents kicked him out onto the streets when he came out at 16. I know those are quite extreme cases but yeah it happens, not everyone accepts it. Your example of footballers speaks volumes about society sometimes not being as accepting as people like to think.

[bots]

I have to say that I could identify all the gay children at school with me easily as a naive kid, so it would be a big surprise if parents and siblings were not aware. So i don't see how coming out would be a big shocker for anyone close :shrug:

[Paula D]

so why you care to read and post in this thread? The title said clearly it was about lgbt. So we shove it down your throat and yet you come for more :shrug:
Just ignore it, mate. Or is it the problem that threads supporting lgbt exist at all?This thread is supporting LGBT?????

By putting Amanda down? Give me a break. All talk of families turning on their siblings but you've no problem turning on Amanda because she's not the "right" type of gay?

Atrocious carry on, should be ashamed.

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[Tinsel Toes]

This thread is supporting LGBT?????

By putting Amanda down? Give me a break. All talk of families turning on their siblings but you've no problem turning on Amanda because she's not the "right" type of gay?

Atrocious carry on, should be ashamed.

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Thankyou Paula :cheer:

[Withano]

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

[Tinsel Toes]

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

Not me:fist:

[joeysteele]

I feel very sad for these people , my daughter never told me but i knew for ages, she could have said i was there for her - but - she has always found it difficult to discuss , all i want is for her happiness , it really is !

That's the other side too hijaxers.

I also have come across people who never ever dared say,all their life, they've pretended not to be out of fear,founded or unfounded.
Often too denying themselves any real happiness in their life or relationships.

A little compassion and sensitivity from others rather than scoffing,ridicule and denial that people still struggle to be able to be themselves,would be nice to see and hear.
Sadly some would rather scoff, ridicule and/or deny such is the case.

Thanks for contributing your post to this hijaxers.

[Withano]

Not me:fist:

I wasnt thinking of you haha :laugh: but it is a recurring pattern with some others.

[Jamie89]

I have to say that I could identify all the gay children at school with me easily as a naive kid, so it would be a big surprise if parents and siblings were not aware. So i don't see how coming out would be a big shocker for anyone close :shrug:

People sometimes believe what they want to believe and I'd say it's especially true of close relatives. My mum found gay porn in my room when I was a teenager and I somehow managed to explain it away :laugh: even with that happening she was still surprised when I later came out.

[Garfie]

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

So true. It makes it so difficult for a balanced and dignified debate to take place, and makes any contribution seem pointless. Goodness knows what TwoSugars must think being new to the forum.

[Cherry Christmas]

That's the other side too hijaxers.

I also have come across people who never ever dared say,all their life, they've pretended not to be out of fear,founded or unfounded.
Often too denying themselves any real happiness in their life or relationships.

A little compassion and sensitivity from others rather than scoffing,ridicule and denial that people still struggle to be able to be themselves,would be nice to see and hear.
Sadly some would rather scoff, ridicule and/or deny such is the case.

Thanks for contributing your post to this hijaxers.

Please stop making your passive aggressive digs at me, address me or leave me out of it, you not only moved the goalposts of what we were discussing, you picked them up and ran off with them :idc:

[joeysteele]

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life :D :p

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

Not really odd.

If someone is bisexual, I have come across particularly when at Uni.
A few would say they were bi but identify themselves as being Gay,as their attraction to men was stronger than to females.

[Jack_]

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life :D :p

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I said 'I identify as bisexual/curious' it'd be because in reality it's actually a lot more complex than that and also ~I don't really like labels~, so it's just easier to navigate most people to the easiest to understand term rather than sit there and try and explain the complexities of something no one other than me cares about, or get into a debate about the usefulness of categorising sexual preferences. Maybe it's similar?

[Marches]

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’

[Withano]

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’

What parallel do you think you're drawing

[Vicky.]

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’

S&M is about to start coming under the LGBT alphabet soup, believe it or not :umm2:

There are pushes to add a K, for kink.

[Jamie89]

Not really odd.

If someone is bisexual, I have come across particularly when at Uni.
A few would say they were bi but identify themselves as being Gay,as their attraction to men was stronger than to females.Yeah this, some people see sexuality as more of a scale, the kinsey scale I think it's called? Maybe they use 'identify' because they don't actually consider to be definitively one or the other, just strongly towards one, and using gay/lesbian is just easier, for them it's a label demanded by society rather than something that actually represents who they are.

[poppsywoppsy]

So true. It makes it so difficult for a balanced and dignified debate to take place, and makes any contribution seem pointless. Goodness knows what TwoSugars must think being new to the forum.

Perhaps you should be aware that most of those you speak about were very liberal before all this incessant LGTB spouting from Shane and his acolytes.
W
However, it is poor Gay this and poor Gay that and poor Gay and poor Gay

I can give you a list of what has happened to me which far outweighs anything written on here.

I do not wallow in it, I do not want special treatment because of it and I do not want others to wipe my forehead while I sob my eyes out.

For goodness sake, get a grip. You are not fighting in Afghanistan like my neighbour who has lost his leg. You are not like my happy other lady Gay neighbours who live their lives to the full.

If you find some posters unsympathetic than you have to realise that on a scale of things you are pretty near the bottom when it comes down to suffering either physically or mentally. Do you know what living in physical pain 24/7 is like?

There will come a time when your problems will pass. You will age and those same problems will be resolved. It is not the end of the world, I fended for myself from the age of 16 so I know it will pass. Just make your life plan and go for it, not sit there feeling sorry for yourselves.

That's my soapbox rant, if you do not care for it or disagree then you have an inkling of how others feel about Shane J going on and on and on and I still could.

[joeysteele]

Please stop making your passive aggressive digs at me, address me or leave me out of it, you not only moved the goalposts of what we were discussing, you picked them up and ran off with them :idc:

No digs at anyone at all.
In fact my examples are in relation to no one at all on here.

You stated to me was I expecting you to believe this could be the case.
I responded to you.

Then gave my examples of people I know and at least one other shared their experience with me.
This thread is talking about coming out as to sexuality and getting support from family.

Are you now for balance actually going to pull everyone up on here, who also have not just talked about Andrew and his sister,or 'ONLY' me Cherie.

[Vicky.]

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I said 'I identify as bisexual/curious' it'd be because in reality it's actually a lot more complex than that and also ~I don't really like labels~, so it's just easier to navigate most people to the easiest to understand term rather than sit there and try and explain the complexities of something no one other than me cares about, or get into a debate about the usefulness of categorising sexual preferences. Maybe it's similar?

But its still a label :suspect:

Just you are saying you 'identify' as a label, rather than are :laugh:

'Identifying as' to me means you are saying you are something you are not. Like..I don't identify as human, I am human. I could identify as a cat, as I am not a cat. If that makes sense.

[Vicky.]

Yeah this, some people see sexuality as more of a scale, the kinsey scale I think it's called? Maybe they use 'identify' because they don't actually consider to be definitively one or the other, just strongly towards one, and using gay/lesbian is just easier, for them it's a label demanded by society rather than something that actually represents who they are.

I think this is pretty daft. You are either gay, straight or bi, or assexual. There is no scale. if you are kind of lesbian but sometimes like guys, this means you are bi. If you are mainly straight but have had same sex attractions now and again, you are still bi (this is me :laugh: )

[Paula D]

But its still a label :suspect:

Just you are saying you 'identify' as a label, rather than are [emoji23]

'Identifying as' to me means you are saying you are something you are not. Like..I don't identify as human, I am human. I could identify as a cat, as I am not a cat. If that makes sense.Believe it or not there are people out there who "identify" as animals.

Madness.

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[Marches]

I think this is pretty daft. You are either gay, straight or bi, or assexual. There is no scale. if you are kind of lesbian but sometimes like guys, this means you are bi. If you are mainly straight but have had same sex attractions now and again, you are still bi (this is me :laugh: )

Lmao yeah but they really want to make every intricacy of their sex life apparent now. It’d make sense for like your dating profile or whatever but people introduce themselves to just all people like this now :joker:

[Withano]

I think this is pretty daft. You are either gay, straight or bi, or assexual. There is no scale. if you are kind of lesbian but sometimes like guys, this means you are bi. If you are mainly straight but have had same sex attractions now and again, you are still bi (this is me :laugh: )

Yeh, thats the basic jist of it. Entirely heterosexual (0), entirely homosexual (6), various levels of bisexuality (1-5) and asexuality (which was represented by an x in the oroginal study, although this image ignores that)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Kinsey_Scale.svg/1200px-Kinsey_Scale.svg.png

[poppsywoppsy]

It has been for a long time now

Hello, I'm gay, my name is ..............

[Marches]

Can’t we all just be human beings

[bots]

i like brunettes but have not been averse to the odd blonde .... what does that make me :shrug:

[Marches]

i like brunettes but have not been averse to the odd blonde .... what does that make me :shrug:

Sexist

[Paula D]

I wasnt thinking of you haha [emoji23] but it is a recurring pattern with some others.If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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[bots]

Sexist

:joker:

[Withano]

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

[Marches]

None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

Because we’re sick of the culty movements that are not needed in the first world and the 373847383 labels

[HBIC]

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’
Why do you care?

Here's a simple idea: if it bothers you, don't read it.

[Vicky.]

Yeh, thats the basic jist of it. Entirely heterosexual (0), entirely homosexual (6), various levels of bisexuality (1-5) and asexuality (which was represented by an x in the oroginal study, although this image ignores that)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Kinsey_Scale.svg/1200px-Kinsey_Scale.svg.png

But why on earth is a level of bisexuality needed in the first place. Bisexual is bisexual :laugh:

Just another way to add newer labels or something, I assume.

[Marches]

Why do you care?

Here's a simple idea: if it bothers you, don't read it.

Good argument. I’ll take this advice into my future endeavours thanks for the insight

[Withano]

Because we’re sick of the culty movements that are not needed in the first world and the 373847383 labels

I'm happy to acknowledge whatever reason anybody gives for being visibly agitated over an lgbt thread, I just think they should probably be aware how it comes across without their excuses.

[HBIC]

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

[HBIC]

Good argument. I’ll take this advice into my future endeavours thanks for the insight
Good.

It's so odd how people care about the most harmless things. So what if people want to label themselves, it's got nothing to do with anybody else

[Marches]

regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

I don’t have internalised homophobia for identifying this label system will be the fatal flaw of this community

[Vicky.]

regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

Yes they can. Do you think Amanda is homophobic? or Wayne? Or is it more likely that they just could not be arsed with Shanes soapboxing and take people as they find them rather than judging them for stuff they have not actually seen?

I mean, I like Shane and all, but his tirade was ****ing tedious and honestly, quite manipulative and transparent

Do you think gay people who that think Shane was wrong to behave that way really have internalized homophobia? Or is another reason much more likely?

[Marches]

Good.

It's so odd how people care about the most harmless things. So what if people want to label themselves, it's got nothing to do with anybody else

It’s not harmless it’s ostracising everyone in the lgbt community and setting you back

[Withano]

But why on earth is a level of bisexuality needed in the first place. Bisexual is bisexual :laugh:

Just another way to add newer labels or something, I assume.

Newer labels haha, it was created in 1948! There is still only one label for all of those middle numbers.. I guess he just thought a 7-point scale was more useful than a 3-point scale when he designed the study (and it is, the middle numbers all get used)

[HBIC]

Yes they can. Do you think Amanda is homophobic? or Wayne? Or is it more likely that they just could not be arsed with Shanes soapboxing and take people as they find them rather than judging them for stuff they have not actually seen?

I mean, I like Shane and all, but his tirade was ****ing tedious and honestly, quite manipulative and transparent
I don't think they are homophobic but they are ignorant. Especially considering if Ann had her way, Amanda wouldn't even be able to enter a civil partnership (since Ann voted against that too).

[Vicky.]

Newer labels haha, it was created in 1948! There is still only one label for all of those middle numbers.. I guess he just thought a 7-point scale was more useful than a 3-point scale when he designed the study (and it is, the middle numbers all get used)

Oh dear :hehe: Theres me told

I think I would probably be a 2 on that scale, anyway.

[Jack_]

But its still a label :suspect:

Just you are saying you 'identify' as a label, rather than are :laugh:

'Identifying as' to me means you are saying you are something you are not. Like..I don't identify as human, I am human. I could identify as a cat, as I am not a cat. If that makes sense.

You're kind of along the right lines. I don't like labels, I'd prefer not to label my sexuality, I don't really think it can be labelled and I find the categorising of sexual preferences a bit of a flawed and restrictive box-ticking exercise from the outset anyway. But rather than get into a debate about that with someone, be That Guy who's like ~I don't like labels~ or try and explain the complexities of my own sexual orientation (for want of a better phrase) which no one else other than me cares about, I would tend to opt for 'I identity as bi(curious)'. It's the easiest way of narrowing it down in layman's terms.

[Vicky.]

I don't think they are homophobic but they are ignorant. Especially considering if Ann had her way, Amanda wouldn't even be able to enter a civil partnership (since Ann voted against that too).

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner :laugh:

[Vicky.]

You're kind of along the right lines. I don't like labels, I'd prefer not to label my sexuality, I don't really think it can be labelled and I find the categorising of sexual preferences a bit of a flawed and restrictive box-ticking exercise from the outset anyway. But rather than get into a debate about that with someone, be That Guy who's like ~I don't like labels~ or try and explain the complexities of my own sexual orientation (for want of a better phrase) which no one else other than me cares about, I would tend to opt for 'I identity as bi(curious)'. It's the easiest way of narrowing it down in layman's terms.

Ah right, yes that does make sense I guess. Thanks Jack. You always make so much sense on these topics :p

[HBIC]

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner :laugh:
I am not friends with anybody that thinks I shouldn't have the right to marry my partner, so no. Thinking a certain group of people should not have equal rights is not the same as a differing opinion.

[Marches]

Do they have to be ignorant, or could they maybe just take people as they find them. I expect they would pull her up if she actually said or did anything homophobic in the house. Do you have no friends with differing opinions?

God, if I disowned every friend I had that had an opinion I disagreed with, I would be a complete loner :laugh:

Welcome to 2018! Everyone is so used to getting participation medals and feeling special for nothing that we’ve stumbled upon a generation of entitled people that refuse to acknowledge the side they don’t agree with

It’s awesome

[Northern Monkey]

LGBTQI


did you not get the memo?

Is that since Stephen Fry came out and joined the club?

:laugh:

[Vicky.]

I am not friends with anybody that thinks I shouldn't have the right to marry my partner, so no. Thinking a certain group of people should not have equal rights is not the same as a differing opinion.

It can be.

I have quite close friends who (for example) agree with the horrendous ATOS medicals and regularly go on about how many people claiming disability benefits are fakers and such. They moan on about working disabled people being able to claim PIP. Many many awful opinions on the topic. I am disabled and rely on those payments, both when I was able to work and now, when I am not. Occasionally it causes a bit of an argument, if they bring up that **** in my presence. But I still do get on with them, those opinions aside.

My cousin is gay and he is friends with a fair few people who disagree with same sex marriage, and same sex adoption also. Again, this causes arguments at times but he does not stop speaking with them over it.

I guess it just comes down to what kind of person you are and if you can overlook unsavoury views tbh. I wouldn't say my cousin was ignorant. You clearly would. I would say he is just..able to see past peoples views and still get on with them :shrug:

[Ashsleigh]

what was the alternative?

he hates his sister because of her sex life?

:umm2:

...Yes?

[Paula D]

None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.I don't need a defence. Haven't done a thing wrong.

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[Withano]

I don't need a defence. Haven't done a thing wrong.

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Oh sorry, I missed the point of your response, what was that supposed to be if not a defence?

[Paula D]

Oh sorry, I missed the point of your response, what was that supposed to be if not a defence?It was a query as to why you think it's acceptable to dismiss some gay people because they don't live in the hate filled world you do, that's all.

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[Withano]

It was a query as to why you think it's acceptable to dismiss some gay people because they don't live in the hate filled world you do, that's all.

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I have no idea what you're going on about anymore. Are you tired?

[smudgie]

S&M is about to start coming under the LGBT alphabet soup, believe it or not :umm2:

There are pushes to add a K, for kink.

Yays...I can join the club, at last.:joker:

[Paula D]

I have no idea what you're going on about anymore. Are you tired?Not at all. If you can't answer the question that's fine, don't worry son.

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[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

It can be.

I have quite close friends who (for example) agree with the horrendous ATOS medicals and regularly go on about how many people claiming disability benefits are fakers and such. They moan on about working disabled people being able to claim PIP. Many many awful opinions on the topic. I am disabled and rely on those payments, both when I was able to work and now, when I am not. Occasionally it causes a bit of an argument, if they bring up that **** in my presence. But I still do get on with them, those opinions aside.

My cousin is gay and he is friends with a fair few people who disagree with same sex marriage, and same sex adoption also. Again, this causes arguments at times but he does not stop speaking with them over it.

I guess it just comes down to what kind of person you are and if you can overlook unsavoury views tbh. I wouldn't say my cousin was ignorant. You clearly would. I would say he is just..able to see past peoples views and still get on with them :shrug:

I agree completely, Vicky. It's near impossible to run into people who aren't hardcoded in some way to be mismatched with social "norms".

The most common example obviously is the people who voted for Donald Trump. I have a friend who said outright they were unwilling to allow our other mutual friend into their home (this friend wasn't told this) over their vote. And yet they still communicate with them in our group chat on a daily basis... (I did have to tell the friend as he was going through major cognitive therapy and didn't need to learn this while he was recovering). We still support that other friend and we acknowledge that some people are not going to just "get it" because we want them to... they are entitled to their response to the election(s) and it's understandable from what we knew from their background why they would feel so strongly against this. (long story short, she is a therapist in an all-women's private mental health facility)

I've had family and doctors who have refused to acknowledge my health problems over the past couple of decades, so I know where you are coming from there. The way I see it, if a friend was willing to listen to my complaints and not knock me down everytime I was trying to get up, then they were being supportive. True maturity and strength comes from being able to stand up for yourself, being your own advocate and not relying on other people's perceptions of you for your sense of sense and your true identity. It's also part of what makes you a good friend, to see people for who they are, versus how you want them to be seen as...

We will run into thousands of people who will give you a hard time about something, will dismiss your hardships, your trials ,your strengths, etc... much of this is just life. We like to think we have the simple answers to complex questions. For example, I had a PCP that swore up and down my health problems were due to childhood trauma, even despite my not really having "trauma" per say (as much as just hardship), but they pretty much insisted it. :laugh: I'm in recovery now not thanks to his advice, but I understood what he was trying to say... he thought I could "break out" of what I was going through and just simply feel better, as nonsensical as it he was trying to help me, albiet only in his own way.

If I flipped out at every doctor's meeting or every time a friend said something I though was asinine, I wouldn't have had support. Also we don't really grow as people if we surround ourselves only with people who largely agree with us. It is important to be open-minded to other people's perspectives and realize that living your life is more complicated than we give it credit for... especially when you hear people's backstories and realize why they feel the way they do... it's not as simple as they are XYZ label, that's that. That's just what some people say in order to make themselves feel better about the realities of life... that while we are cut from the same cloth (i.e. we are all human beings), we are each different individuals in our own right.

[joeysteele]

That's awful, one of my friends comes from quite a strict muslim family and he's actually considered allowing his parents to find him a wife just to not have to come out to them (even though he currently lives with his boyfriend :laugh: ) And another friend of mine's parents kicked him out onto the streets when he came out at 16. I know those are quite extreme cases but yeah it happens, not everyone accepts it. Your example of footballers speaks volumes about society sometimes not being as accepting as people like to think.


It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

[Withano]

Not at all. If you can't answer the question that's fine, don't worry son.

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I dont live in a hate-filled world, i find that question completely bizarre coming from you. You come across as quite arguably, the angriest members on tibb atm, sure its only when lgbt is mentioned, but irony of implying i live in a hate-filled world when your response to equality can be summarised by the word 'negative' is just ridic. So ridic that I refuse to take you seriously. Maybe you can rephrase the question so that it seems thought-out on some level?

[Cherry Christmas]

No digs at anyone at all.
In fact my examples are in relation to no one at all on here.

You stated to me was I expecting you to believe this could be the case.
I responded to you.

Then gave my examples of people I know and at least one other shared their experience with me.
This thread is talking about coming out as to sexuality and getting support from family.

Are you now for balance actually going to pull everyone up on here, who also have not just talked about Andrew and his sister,or 'ONLY' me Cherie.

for balance I never quoted you at all, you quoted me and I responded so I don't feel I have to pull anyone else on this thread

[jet]

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

[Christmas Lights]

Of course the sister would agree but Andrew is a twat

Why do people keep trying to paint Andrew as some heroic LGBT supporter ,it's so cringe and boring :facepalm: . Obviously if his sister is gay (which I didn't know) then of course he's going to be ok with it . And his sister is going to be on his side and biased .

Ariane Grande has a gay brother too ,who cares :sleep: . Andrew is still a twat exactly !! . And he was evicted for a good reason .

[Withano]

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

[Northern Monkey]

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.That’s true.It gets boring.I really don’t care if somebody is L,G,B or T.Just get on with it and stop telling me about it.It does turn people off.

[Tinsel Toes]

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

:clap1: Exactly right

[joeysteele]

for balance I never quoted you at all, you quoted me and I responded so I don't feel I have to pull anyone else on this thread

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

[Parmy]

So andrews sister has had andrews support for being a lesbian...but only came out today....lol..whateva...

[Marches]

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

[Cherry Christmas]

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

Nothing was blown out of the water, you have given no statistics for the number of millenial siblings who allegedly disown each other for being gay, instead you gave a few personal anecdotes which I could counter with a few anecdotes of my own, then you mentioned Asian families and footballers when we weren't discussing coming out in public, we were discussing siblings supporting each other, Andrew is a white English male in his 20s, I would say the majority of white English males in their 20s would be supportive of a gay sibling and you can deny that all you want, but until you pull some figures to back up your argument I don't believe you, if you weren't having a sly dig in you posts to others then I apologise but that is how it came across to me. I have no agenda in fact I tend to avoid quoting you now where possible as you seem to think I have an issue with you which I don't

[Cherry Christmas]

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

:clap2:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

Kids get bullied for wearing glasses and not the right trainers, gays are not exclusive :bored:

[joeysteele]

Nothing was blown out of the water, you have given no statistics for the number of millenial siblings who allegedly disown each other for being gay, instead you gave a few personal anecdotes which I could counter with a few anecdotes of my own, then you mentioned Asian families and footballers when we weren't discussing coming out in public, we were discussing siblings supporting each other, Andrew is a white English male in his 20s, I would say the majority of white English males in their 20s would be supportive of a gay sibling and you can deny that all you want, but until you pull some figures to back up your argument I don't believe you, if you weren't having a sly dig in you posts to others then I apologise but that is how it came across to me. I have no agenda in fact I tend to avoid quoting you now where possible as you seem to think I have an issue with you which I don't

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

[bots]

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

[Christmas Dynasnow]

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

exactly my thoughts and i am sure of others...

[poppsywoppsy]

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

That's a good word Impudence, I like that.

[chuff me dizzy]

exactly my thoughts and i am sure of others...

Me too ,God knows whats happened to him (In with the wrong crowd maybe :conf:) Such a shame

[Livia]

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

This.

[poppsywoppsy]

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.


The sooner CBB gets back to being an entertainment show rather than a gay angst LGTB platform the better.

If I want to know about it, then there are far better informative places to garner information.

Never mind Ann sucking the fun out of CBB Andrew and Shane have dragged it down far more than she ever has.

My tolerance and sympathy levels are far lower now than when this started and I had a very liberal viewpoint then but what a load of navel gazing namby pambyisms have been going on.

Just think yourselves lucky that we live in a free society when you could live in Russia or a part of the world where you would really have insurmountable problems being gay. But you don't, there hasn't been anything that cannot be overcome, so you have had hardships, so has the rest of society one way or another, get over it. The world doesn't revolve on just sexuality and associated relationship problems although some on here would try to tell you differently.

[chuff me dizzy]

The sooner CBB gets back to being an entertainment show rather than a gay angst LGTB platform the better.

If I want to know about it, then there are far better informative places to garner information.

Never mind Ann sucking the fun out of CBB Andrew and Shane have dragged it down far more than she ever has.

My tolerance and sympathy levels are far lower now than when this started and I had a very liberal viewpoint then but what a load of navel gazing namby pambyisms have been going on.

Just think yourselves lucky that we live in a free society when you could live in Russia or a part of the world where you would really have insurmountable problems being gay. But you don't, there hasn't been anything that cannot be overcome, so you have had hardships, so has the rest of society one way or another, get over it. The world doesn't revolve on just sexuality and associated relationship problems although some on here would tell you differently.

Post of the thread award !!

[Cherry Christmas]

That's a good word Impudence, I like that.

Its a word my grandmother used to use...not heard it in a long time..it made me laugh :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Good to see the bandwagon rolling,all joining forces sticking their oar in.
Well done indeed.

I know which crowd I'd likely rather be in,IF I was ever in one that is in the first place ,and it's not the one in the posts above,that's for sure.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

again with the aggression...


:umm2:

[jaxie]

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

That statement is aggressive. :shrug:

[Paula D]

Yeah, I only see one poster getting agitated here.

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

[Trip]

A load of posts discussing aggression of participants of a thread? Weird forum. Perhaps CBB is basically so dull these days people get more fun trolling each other.

[jaxie]

I dont live in a hate-filled world, i find that question completely bizarre coming from you. You come across as quite arguably, the angriest members on tibb atm, sure its only when lgbt is mentioned, but irony of implying i live in a hate-filled world when your response to equality can be summarised by the word 'negative' is just ridic. So ridic that I refuse to take you seriously. Maybe you can rephrase the question so that it seems thought-out on some level?

Doesn't seem angry to me and thought processes seem good. Maybe it's you not understanding her point? :shrug:

[Marches]

A load of posts discussing aggression of participants of a thread? Weird forum. Perhaps CBB is basically so dull these days people get more fun trolling each other.

This series has given us so little to talk about housemate wise :bawling:

[Twosugars]

So andrews sister has had andrews support for being a lesbian...but only came out today....lol..whateva...

where did she say she came out today?

couldn't make it up! oh, no, apparently you can! :laugh3:

and btw, Happy CourtneyWins Day :cheer2:

[Twosugars]

Good to see the bandwagon rolling,all joining forces sticking their oar in.
Well done indeed.

I know which crowd I'd likely rather be in,IF I was ever in one that is in the first place ,and it's not the one in the posts above,that's for sure.

Don't bite, Joey, it is not worth it. :wink:

[Marches]

where did she say she came out today?

couldn't make it up! oh, no, apparently you can! :laugh3:

and btw, Happy CourtneyWins Day :cheer2:

Happy Ann WINdecombe day
Yass slay those whiney millennials

[Twosugars]

Happy Ann WINdecombe day
Yass slay those whiney millennials

I wouldn't slay them coz who would be working to pay boomers pensions?:hee:

[Livia]

I wouldn't slay them coz who would be working to pay boomers pensions?:hee:

That's what the boomers are worried about. How are they going to do their job, mixing with other people! People who may think differently from them! Eeeek! They'll have to make sure employers are building safe spaces and bringing in counsellors.

Of course - and this delights me more than I can say - give it 20 years or so, and that really IS a short amount of time although you won't believe that right now, but it is... there will be someone twenty years younger than you, young enough to know everything, and they'll be sticking it to you with their flimsy arguments and you'll be the one laughing.

[poppsywoppsy]

Good to see the bandwagon rolling,all joining forces sticking their oar in.
Well done indeed.

I know which crowd I'd likely rather be in,IF I was ever in one that is in the first place ,and it's not the one in the posts above,that's for sure.

Yet you are quite happy to have it only on your terms of reference

Many are unhappy about this and are viewing Shane's hijacking of the CBB entertainment programme and turning it into a Gay Rights scenario sucking the life out of it.

Everyone is equal on here and one persons opinion is just the same as another's point of view, it is called exchange of views, not sticking their oar in as even that applies both ways.

[poppsywoppsy]

I wouldn't slay them coz who would be working to pay boomers pensions?:hee:

Who do you think has paid for boomers pensions

They have over the years out of their own pockets by paying their taxes

For goodness sake:nono:

[Twosugars]

That's what the boomers are worried about. How are they going to do their job, mixing with other people! People who may think differently from them! Eeeek! They'll have to make sure employers are building safe spaces and bringing in counsellors.

Of course - and this delights me more than I can say - give it 20 years or so, and that really IS a short amount of time although you won't believe that right now, but it is... there will be someone twenty years younger than you, young enough to know everything, and they'll be sticking it to you with their flimsy arguments and you'll be the one laughing.
I'm neither boomer or a millenial; and anyways don't have a problem with fair discussion, so I will be just fine, thank you very much. :smug:

[Twosugars]

Who do you think has paid for boomers pensions

They have over the years out of their own pockets by paying their taxes

For goodness sake:nono:

Good morning, Poppsy, happy CourtneyWins Day :wavey:

[Livia]

I'm neither boomer or a millenial; and anyways don't have a problem with fair discussion, so I will be just fine, thank you very much. :smug:

You obviously DO have a problem with fair discussion. You're ageist for a start. Suggesting that the older generation need millennials to pay their pension shows a profound ignorance and a proclivity to go off topic when the opposition discussion is strong.

If there are any older people on here who were insulted by your post, I hope they lobby the mods to provide a safe space for them.

[Twosugars]

You obviously DO have a problem with fair discussion. You're ageist for a start. Suggesting that the older generation need millennials to pay their pension shows a profound ignorance and a proclivity to go off topic when the opposition discussion is strong.

If there are any older people on here who were insulted by your post, I hope they lobby the mods to provide a safe space for them.

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

[Twosugars]

Gonna go and vote for Courtney, it may take a while. :blush: Happy to discuss fairly later, dear Livia.

[Livia]

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

More people have a private pension now... but really, you don't want to hear any of that and it was kind of off-topic when you first mentioned it.

I look forward to your next half-arsed post with great anticipation.

[Livia]

Gonna go and vote for Courtney, it may take a while. :blush: Happy to discuss fairly later, dear Livia.

I'm not your dear. Ageist AND sexist.

[poppsywoppsy]

Good morning, Poppsy, happy CourtneyWins Day :wavey:

Try answering instead of wishful thinking.:wavey:

[ChristmasNeeve]

You obviously DO have a problem with fair discussion. You're ageist for a start. Suggesting that the older generation need millennials to pay their pension shows a profound ignorance and a proclivity to go off topic when the opposition discussion is strong.

If there are any older people on here who were insulted by your post, I hope they lobby the mods to provide a safe space for them.

I'd imagine the older generation will have paid their pensions by working their whole lives?

[Cherry Christmas]

That's what the boomers are worried about. How are they going to do their job, mixing with other people! People who may think differently from them! Eeeek! They'll have to make sure employers are building safe spaces and bringing in counsellors.

Of course - and this delights me more than I can say - give it 20 years or so, and that really IS a short amount of time although you won't believe that right now, but it is... there will be someone twenty years younger than you, young enough to know everything, and they'll be sticking it to you with their flimsy arguments and you'll be the one laughing.



this is so true, I never thought I would begin to sound like my Mum but I do :laugh:

[poppsywoppsy]

I'm neither boomer or a millenial; and anyways don't have a problem with fair discussion, so I will be just fine, thank you very much. :smug:

You have just shown that you are neither by being unaware of the facts on the subject you have spoken on.

This is getting very close to baiting

[poppsywoppsy]

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

So if taxations pays for pensions who has put most in the pot over the years

Boom Boom Boomers

Basic finance My Jim Royal:fist:

[Christmas Lights]

Gonna go and vote for Courtney, it may take a while. :blush: Happy to discuss fairly later, dear Livia.

Don't go bankrupt by wasting your money :smug: .

[y.winter]

Well done to him and his sister, but still not sure what it has to do with "LGBT champion", whatever that is...
Gay acceptance doesn't deserve a special prize, like not robbing or not murdering doesn't deserve a prize. This is what you would expect from people to do... Gay disapproval, on the other hand, is worth a criticism.

[jaxie]

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

Excuse me. The older generation have paid a lifetime of taxes to pay their pension. And a lifetime of national insurance to contribute towards everyones health care. :nono: Don't diss my parents and yours.

[Lostie!]

Kids get bullied for wearing glasses and not the right trainers, gays are not exclusive :bored:

Nobody said anything of the sort, nor did they the last time you used this exact response, or the time before...

[Kazanne]

More people have a private pension now... but really, you don't want to hear any of that and it was kind of off-topic when you first mentioned it.

I look forward to your next half-arsed post with great anticipation.

:clap1: way to go Livia :cheer2: I suppose all those who fought for our right to freedom and free speech are also defunct.:wavey:

[Trip]

Private pensions don't stop people claiming a state pension as they paid in for it. Sadly these contributions weren't saved and invested to be paid out when people retire, they were spent - and more- so current taxes paid now pay for current state pensions.

Boomers may have paid in but the money was spent and now with life expectancy increases so the need for certain levels of working population to continue paying. The whole system is not that secure.

I do wonder who raised and parented these terrible millennials that people complain about or is it just that same old generational conflict complained about as far back as the ancient greeks?

People (including me) have run out of CBB discussions for now?

[poppsywoppsy]

Private pensions don't stop people claiming a state pension as they paid in for it. Sadly these contributions weren't saved and invested to be paid out when people retire, they were spent - and more- so current taxes paid now pay for current state pensions.

Boomers may have paid in but the money was spent and now with life expectancy increases so the need for certain levels of working population to continue paying. The whole system is not that secure.

I do wonder who raised and parented these terrible millennials that people complain about or is it just that same old generational conflict complained about as far back as the ancient greeks?

People (including me) have run out of CBB discussions for now?

What pension system is secure, even private, Carillion, BHS, Daily Mirror, no guarantees anymore.

How the hell did we get onto pensions:fist:

[Cherry Christmas]

Well done to him and his sister, but still not sure what it has to do with "LGBT champion", whatever that is...
Gay acceptance doesn't deserve a special prize, like not robbing or not murdering doesn't deserve a prize. This is what you would expect from people to do... Gay disapproval, on the other hand, is worth a criticism.


.

[joeysteele]

Yet you are quite happy to have it only on your terms of reference

Many are unhappy about this and are viewing Shane's hijacking of the CBB entertainment programme and turning it into a Gay Rights scenario sucking the life out of it.

Everyone is equal on here and one persons opinion is just the same as another's point of view, it is called exchange of views, not sticking their oar in as even that applies both ways.

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

[jet]

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

[chuff me dizzy]

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

[Christmas Lights]

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

Because he has nothing else to give , it's always that or Courtney :sleep:

[Denver]

But didn't he make a gay boy fall in love with him to gain votes?

[Christmas Lights]

But didn't he make a gay boy fall in love with him to gain votes?

It's lust and fame hogging ,it's not love :whistle: :bored: .

[Twosugars]

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

[Vicky.]

I'd imagine the older generation will have paid their pensions by working their whole lives?

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases :umm2:

[chuff me dizzy]

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love

[Marches]

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

Critical thought

[Paula D]

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases :umm2:

Hear hear Vicky. :cheer2:

[Twosugars]

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love
so you can talk about present, but not about the future.
and don't call me love, that's sexist (as I was informed by Livia when I called her dear); so as much and you and I would like it, we can't be affectionate to one another in threads

[chuff me dizzy]

so you can talk about present, but not about the future.
and don't call me love, that's sexist (as I was informed by Livia when I called her dear); so as much and you and I would like it, we can't be affectionate to one another in threads

:bored:

[Twosugars]

:bored:

I know :shrug:

[Cherry Christmas]

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases :umm2:



.

[Withano]

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

Nobody is trying to paint you as anti-gay. I just at one point thought that I should let you know that you, yourself (and some others) have implied that you are 'anti-gay' by continuously spouting the same ****e in every thread. Take that as you like idc. Pass your blame to elsewhere if you like, I ain't buying it. Others might buy it and accept that you do this because others are PC, but it doesn't work for me. You can take some responsibility for your own words.

[Withano]

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

[bots]

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases :umm2:

Great post Vicky, particularly on the ageism :kiss:

Our pension funds were actually doing fine and working as expected up until fairly recently, and by that I mean that those paying paid for their own pensions as the money was invested and the return at the point of retirement was sufficient.

Two main events messed the system up completely. Firstly Gordon Brown saw a tasty wad of cash and decided to help himself to a heap of it and then the stock market crashed leaving just about every company in the country having to make up a shortfall, which many are still doing now, as it is a legal obligation. Livia was correct in that most pension money is in private companies with the state pension providing the statutory minimum (unless the pension scheme you are in completely opted out)

The only true net givers to the pension scheme are immigrants that work in the UK but don't remain in retirement. Everyone else pays for and receives a pension when they get to the appropriate age. So it's completely false that young are paying for the older generations pensions, they are just paying for their own.

[poppsywoppsy]

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

But isn't that just the cut and thrust of a forum, people do jump in and others follow.

It isn't just one sided by any means. I have had several posters at a time against my posts whilst not anything like on topic.

My advice is to take a break, move threads and their posts will be on the preceding page and another topical post will take their place. But you are a long term poster, I am sure you already know this.:wavey:

[poppsywoppsy]

Great post Vicky, particularly on the ageism :kiss:

Our pension funds were actually doing fine and working as expected up until fairly recently, and by that I mean that those paying paid for their own pensions as the money was invested and the return at the point of retirement was sufficient.

Two main events messed the system up completely. Firstly Gordon Brown saw a tasty wad of cash and decided to help himself to a heap of it and then the stock market crashed leaving just about every company in the country having to make up a shortfall, which many are still doing now, as it is a legal obligation. Livia was correct in that most pension money is in private companies with the state pension providing the statutory minimum (unless the pension scheme you are in completely opted out)

The only true net givers to the pension scheme are immigrants that work in the UK but don't remain in retirement. Everyone else pays for and receives a pension when they get to the appropriate age. So it's completely false that young are paying for the older generations pensions, they are just paying for their own.

Can I just add to this that even if you have a minimal private pension you will not get many benefits which you will with only the government one. You can be worse off.

[Paula D]

Nobody is trying to paint you as anti-gay. I just at one point thought that I should let you know that you, yourself (and some others) have implied that you are 'anti-gay' by continuously spouting the same ****e in every thread. Take that as you like idc. Pass your blame to elsewhere if you like, I ain't buying it. Others might buy it and accept that you do this because others are PC, but it doesn't work for me. You can take some responsibility for your own words.

It's called being anti Shane J, big difference. I'll own that responsibility, proud of it.

[Paula D]

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

Look joey, you try calling 4-6 people homophobes and you're gonna get it back. Even when you don't have the balls to say it straight out.

[Withano]

It's called being anti Shane J, big difference. I'll own that responsibility, proud of it.

Sometimes the simple explanations are the best. This makes complete sense. "I'm only acting homophobic cos others are PC" does not.

[Cherry Christmas]

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.


I didn't invite comment if that is what you are implying, I can't control others input on the forum, nor would I want to

[Cherry Christmas]

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love

:joker:

[Twosugars]

Going back to the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interview with Andrew in Gay Times

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/98524/andrew-brady-interview-doesnt-matter-old-youre-homophobic-youre-homophobic/

It contains swearing.
I'd post the actual full text but don't know if it is allowed.

[jaxie]

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

If you can't handle people responding to you then maybe a forum isn't the best place because that is what will happen. You will say something that catches the eye and people will respond. It's not a private conversation. :shrug:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Going back to the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interview with Andrew in Gay Times

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/98524/andrew-brady-interview-doesnt-matter-old-youre-homophobic-youre-homophobic/

It contains swearing.
I'd post the actual full text but don't know if it is allowed.

:nono:

we wont have profanity on this forum. Shame on the gay Times for printing such filth.

[Withano]

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

[Cherry Christmas]

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

Just name names so we can discuss you paranoia properly

[jet]

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

That isn't what I said. Many people here seem to have reached the point of being tired of PC being endlessly pushed at them at every opportunity, not at anything else. Do you really believe that some posters in this thread are homophobic? I don't. I think they are just getting fed up with the PC police holding forth with their holier than thou pontificating and being intolerant of anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.
It has been pointed out over and over again in many threads here. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

And we get back to insulting forum members to try and "win" some argument...




seems to be catching

[HBIC]

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.
Agreed. It’s a cop-out excuse for sure. Why would anybody change their opinion about a large group of people because a housemate and their fans have been annoying? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Withano]

That isn't what I said. Many people here seem to have reached the point of being tired of PC being endlessly pushed at them at every opportunity, not at anything else. Do you really believe that some posters in this thread are homophobic? I don't. I think they are just just getting fed up with the PC police holding forth with their holier than thou pontificating and being intolerant of anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.
It has been pointed out over and over again in many threads here. What is so hard to understand about that?

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

id take a break if i were you

[Withano]

And we get back to insulting forum members to try and "win" some argument...




seems to be catching

What is the insulting part? Posting something vile would only apply to those that posts something vile, and patting each other on the back with emojis would only apply to those that do that. Im describing behaviour.. if the shoe fits, its descriptive, if it does not, its not aimed at you.

[Cherry Christmas]

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

Is it 5 or 6, surely you must be able to confirm the correct number :laugh: I'm intrigued who these 5 or 6 are, help me out

[Withano]

Is it 5 or 6, surely you must be able to confirm the correct number :laugh: I'm intrigued who these 5 or 6 are, help me out

Cant discuss members, you know that :suspect:. (I havent really counted)

[Christmas Dynasnow]

What is the insulting part? Posting something vile would only apply to those that posts something vile, and patting each other on the back with emojis would only apply to those that do that. Im describing behaviour.. if the shoe fits, its descriptive, if it does not, its not aimed at you.

which are the nefarious emojis of which you speak?

name and shame them

[Christmas Lights]

All of a sudden Andrew is an advocate and a voice for the LGBT community :sleep:, he's literally feeding off the publicity more like :whistle: .

[jet]

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

Maybe I've missed something, but all I can see are posters saying that everyone is entitled to their own views, not everyone is the same etc. I haven't seen anything that says to me 'wow that person is homophobic'. :conf:

[Withano]

Maybe I've missed something, but all I can see are posters saying that everyone is entitled to their own views, not everyone is the same etc. I haven't seen anything that says to me 'wow that person is homophobic'. :conf:

Yeh seems you missed quite a lot. Its been ongoing for weeks.

[poppsywoppsy]

Cant discuss members, you know that :suspect:. (I havent really counted)

Ambiguity reigns

[bots]

Yeh seems you missed quite a lot. Its been ongoing for weeks.

Well, you have a report button, the mods are but a PM away :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Can we go back to discussing housemates instead of members please. Don't want to end up locking this as its been interesting so far

[smudgie]

You obviously DO have a problem with fair discussion. You're ageist for a start. Suggesting that the older generation need millennials to pay their pension shows a profound ignorance and a proclivity to go off topic when the opposition discussion is strong.

If there are any older people on here who were insulted by your post, I hope they lobby the mods to provide a safe space for them.

:joker::joker: I think us older people have thicker skins than that Livia, the only safe space I need is taking it all as a joke due to the ignorance of knowledge on the subject.
Safe space...somewhere to hide from reality.:laugh:

[jet]

Yeh seems you missed quite a lot. Its been ongoing for weeks.

Maybe I'm not PC enough to class it as homophobia. :tongue:
I'm pretty tolerant of most views as long as they aren't pushed on anyone.

[Twosugars]

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

On the bright side, Withano, Shane J will win CBB in a few hours. Take a long view :cheer2:
as Billie Holliday used to sing ...they can't take that away from me...

[poppsywoppsy]

On the bright side, Withano, Shane J will win CBB in a few hours. Take a long view :cheer2:
as Billie Holliday used to sing ...they can't take that away from me...

Billie Holliday?

And there was me thinking you were a teenybopper:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Billie Holliday?

And there was me thinking you were a teenybopper:laugh:

I wish :laugh: I'm 35

[Cherry Christmas]

Cant discuss members, you know that :suspect:. (I havent really counted)

If you feel that strongly what's the worst that can happen a few days on the naughty step if that

[Vicky.]

Closed for now. Will try and clean in a bit and reopen, but in the meantime, if anyone wants to continue this discussion feel free to make a new thread. One where members are not attacking other members and instead housemates are discussed.