Shane J: What IS his message?

[Robodog]

He raises the subject of LGBT issues a lot.
But what is he saying about it exactly?
What is his actual point?

All i hear is how he has a message but he hasn't really said what that message is?
You know what i mean?

He doesn't say "I think x,y or z should happen" or
"What we need in society is more this or less that"
There doesn't seem to be any goals or plans, just him simply raising the subject of LGBT.

OK sure, the subject is raised: so what about it then?

His only angle of any substance seems to be when he is questioning Ann's views.

So he's confronted and challenged Ann directly.
The conversations between them were always open, honest, mature and friendly. He always seemed happy with the outcome, even complimenting Ann on her honesty!
He tells her clearly they can have different viewpoints and still get on fine. Agreeable from both sides. Shake hands. Job done, right?

So what's the problem?

Somehow he comes away from her, turns it all over in his mind and rather than talk with Ann again, instead he attacks her views behind her back with other HMs, like he is trying to turn them against her.

How is that a positive message?

So what is his aim exactly?
That Ann should change her views and see things his way?
If so - why isn't he talking about it with her?
Pulling her views apart with other HMs is not going to change her views if she is not even there to hear or discuss it!!


As for raising LGBT issues in the wider community or mainstream society - again what is his message? He hasn't spelled it out.

I can only imagine that he means LGBT people should be equally as accepted and represented as anyone else in society?
Bit patronising and outdated - i mean do most of us not think that way already?
I mean this is the UK in 2018!
Look at our biggest and most loved TV stars for example - how many can you name!
Stephen Fry, David Walliams, Alan Carr, Graham Norton, Claire Balding, Sandie Toksvig, Paul O'Grady - who's Lily Savage drag act was even prime time TV 20 years ago! etc etc
And that's without even looking at our best-loved mainstream music stars of the last 40 years! (George Michael, Elton John etc)

So yeah the UK mainstream is really gay-friendly. Like nowhere else on earth. Has been for decades. We just like nice, funny and talented people - gay or not.

So seeing as the mainstream and the majority of people in the UK already embrace LGBT people as part of our own shared ONE community - what is the message?
To convert every single 'non-believer'?
Sounds a bit like religious fanaticism!
Like the Spanish Inquisition or Christian Missionaries in Africa
"Think like me or be damned!"
There will always be minorities that think differently on ANY subject.
Can't make everyone think the same.

Will he not rest until Ann says:
'Oh Shane! I'm Sorry! I renounce ALL my religious views, Courtney is wonderful no matter how she dresses or acts, lets put on some Lady Gaga and do slut-drops together'

Does he expect her (and others like her) to agree with him 100%?
My way or the highway?
"I want you to respect and agree with ME, while at the same time i don't have to respect or agree with YOU"
Is that it?

So what is it all about? Really?

Like i said yesterday:

Is Shane using himself to in order to promote LGBT issues?
Or is he using LGBT issues in order to promote himself?


Answers on a postcard.

[poppsywoppsy]

He raises the subject of LGBT issues a lot.
But what is he saying about it exactly?
What is his actual point?

All i hear is how he has a message but he hasn't really said what that message is?
You know what i mean?

He doesn't say "I think x,y or z should happen" or
"What we need in society is more this or less that"
There doesn't seem to be any goals or plans, just him simply raising the subject of LGBT.

OK sure, the subject is raised: so what about it then?

His only angle of any substance seems to be when he is questioning Ann's views.

So he's confronted and challenged Ann directly.
The conversations between them were always open, honest, mature and friendly. He always seemed happy with the outcome, even complimenting Ann on her honesty!
He tells her clearly they can have different viewpoints and still get on fine. Agreeable from both sides. Shake hands. Job done, right?

So what's the problem?

Somehow he comes away from her, turns it all over in his mind and rather than talk with Ann again, instead he attacks her views behind her back with other HMs, like he is trying to turn them against her.

How is that a positive message?

So what is his aim exactly?
That Ann should change her views and see things his way?
If so - why isn't he talking about it with her?
Pulling her views apart with other HMs is not going to change her views if she is not even there to hear or discuss it!!


As for raising LGBT issues in the wider community or mainstream society - again what is his message? He hasn't spelled it out.

I can only imagine that he means LGBT people should be equally as accepted and represented as anyone else in society?
Bit patronising and outdated - i mean do most of us not think that way already?
I mean this is the UK in 2018!
Look at our biggest and most loved TV stars for example - how many can you name!
Stephen Fry, David Walliams, Alan Carr, Graham Norton, Claire Balding, Sandie Toksvig, Paul O'Grady - who's Lily Savage drag act was even prime time TV 20 years ago! etc etc
And that's without even looking at our best-loved mainstream music stars of the last 40 years! (George Michael, Elton John etc)

So yeah the UK mainstream is really gay-friendly. Like nowhere else on earth. Has been for decades. We just like nice, funny and talented people - gay or not.

So seeing as the mainstream and the majority of people in the UK already embrace LGBT people as part of our own shared ONE community - what is the message?
To convert every single 'non-believer'?
Sounds a bit like religious fanaticism!
Like the Spanish Inquisition or Christian Missionaries in Africa
"Think like me or be damned!"
There will always be minorities that think differently on ANY subject.
Can't make everyone think the same.

Will he not rest until Ann says:
'Oh Shane! I'm Sorry! I renounce ALL my religious views, Courtney is wonderful no matter how she dresses or acts, lets put on some Lady Gaga and do slut-drops together'

Does he expect her (and others like her) to agree with him 100%?
My way or the highway?
"I want you to respect and agree with ME, while at the same time i don't have to respect or agree with YOU"
Is that it?

So what is it all about? Really?

Like i said yesterday:

Is Shane using himself to in order to promote LGBT issues?
Or is he using LGBT issues in order to promote himself?


Answers on a postcard.

Well said,

A postage stamp more preferably :nono:

[Marches]

He raises the subject of LGBT issues a lot.
But what is he saying about it exactly?
What is his actual point?

All i hear is how he has a message but he hasn't really said what that message is?
You know what i mean?

He doesn't say "I think x,y or z should happen" or
"What we need in society is more this or less that"
There doesn't seem to be any goals or plans, just him simply raising the subject of LGBT.

OK sure, the subject is raised: so what about it then?

His only angle of any substance seems to be when he is questioning Ann's views.

So he's confronted and challenged Ann directly.
The conversations between them were always open, honest, mature and friendly. He always seemed happy with the outcome, even complimenting Ann on her honesty!
He tells her clearly they can have different viewpoints and still get on fine. Agreeable from both sides. Shake hands. Job done, right?

So what's the problem?

Somehow he comes away from her, turns it all over in his mind and rather than talk with Ann again, instead he attacks her views behind her back with other HMs, like he is trying to turn them against her.

How is that a positive message?

So what is his aim exactly?
That Ann should change her views and see things his way?
If so - why isn't he talking about it with her?
Pulling her views apart with other HMs is not going to change her views if she is not even there to hear or discuss it!!


As for raising LGBT issues in the wider community or mainstream society - again what is his message? He hasn't spelled it out.

I can only imagine that he means LGBT people should be equally as accepted and represented as anyone else in society?
Bit patronising and outdated - i mean do most of us not think that way already?
I mean this is the UK in 2018!
Look at our biggest and most loved TV stars for example - how many can you name!
Stephen Fry, David Walliams, Alan Carr, Graham Norton, Claire Balding, Sandie Toksvig, Paul O'Grady - who's Lily Savage drag act was even prime time TV 20 years ago! etc etc
And that's without even looking at our best-loved mainstream music stars of the last 40 years! (George Michael, Elton John etc)

So yeah the UK mainstream is really gay-friendly. Like nowhere else on earth. Has been for decades. We just like nice, funny and talented people - gay or not.

So seeing as the mainstream and the majority of people in the UK already embrace LGBT people as part of our own shared ONE community - what is the message?
To convert every single 'non-believer'?
Sounds a bit like religious fanaticism!
Like the Spanish Inquisition or Christian Missionaries in Africa
"Think like me or be damned!"
There will always be minorities that think differently on ANY subject.
Can't make everyone think the same.

Will he not rest until Ann says:
'Oh Shane! I'm Sorry! I renounce ALL my religious views, Courtney is wonderful no matter how she dresses or acts, lets put on some Lady Gaga and do slut-drops together'

Does he expect her (and others like her) to agree with him 100%?
My way or the highway?
"I want you to respect and agree with ME, while at the same time i don't have to respect or agree with YOU"
Is that it?

So what is it all about? Really?

Like i said yesterday:

Is Shane using himself to in order to promote LGBT issues?
Or is he using LGBT issues in order to promote himself?


Answers on a postcard.

Good points and it’s the latter imo. He’s like a pagent girl he knows what will impress and gain traction with other people, regardless of whether he believes it or not. He has no quarrel with Ann but instead just wants to use her for his own narrative to appeal to the majority of the public and ultimately win. It’s quite tragic everyone has fallen for it but it’s only big brother ig

[Christmas Lights]

"let's do slutdrops together" :joker: , even if Ann was younger she probably still wouldn't do that .

Even Wayne needed helping up after his dancing and jumping around as he's got a hip replacement :joker: .

But anyway yes I truly believe Shane J expects Ann to be apologetic and somehow turn into a huge LGBT fan and approve of everything Shane J/ Courtney does .

You can't force someone to have the same views as you ,if Ann went around the house calling everyone sinners and condeming Shane J and telling him to turn straight , people would find that Barbaric and rightly so .

So why is it ok for India & Shane J to hound and bitch away endlessly at anyone who doesn't agree with them to the point where it's uncomfortable to watch :facepalm: .

Ann accepts them both yet it's still not good enough ,do they want Ann to wear the pride flag and go on marches with them and go clubbing and dye her hair rainbow coloured ?! :sleep: .

[Paula D]

Good points and it’s the latter imo. He’s like a pagent girl he knows what will impress and gain traction with other people, regardless of whether he believes it or not. He has no quarrel with Ann but instead just wants to use her for his own narrative to appeal to the majority of the public and ultimately win. It’s quite tragic everyone has fallen for it but it’s only big brother ig

That's exactly it Marches!! You've hit the nail on the head, he's like a pagent princess claiming that their aim is world peace when in fact they have no clue how you would go about that. It's simple virtue signalling.

[Greg!]

Her message is acceptance and to be who you really are. Inspirational legend!

[Paula D]

Her message is acceptance and to be who you really are. Inspirational legend!

Be who you really are except if you're Ann?

[Robodog]

"let's do slutdrops together" :joker: , even if Ann was younger she probably still wouldn't do that .

Even Wayne needed helping up after his dancing and jumping around as he's got a hip replacement :joker: .

But anyway yes I truly believe Shane J expects Ann to be apologetic and somehow turn into a huge LGBT fan and approve of everything Shane J/ Courtney does .

You can't force someone to have the same views as you ,if Ann went around the house calling everyone sinners and condeming Shane J and telling him to turn straight , people would find that Barbaric and rightly so .

So why is it ok for India & Shane J to hound and bitch away endlessly at anyone who doesn't agree with them to the point where it's uncomfortable to watch :facepalm: .

Ann accepts them both yet it's still not good enough ,do they want Ann to wear the pride flag and go on marches with them and go clubbing and dye her hair rainbow coloured ?! :sleep: .

So true

Why is her acceptance not enough?
She kisses, hugs them etc
She discusses anything they want to talk about, she listens intently and replies with respect and friendliness.
She clearly has no bad feeling towards them.

What more do they want?

How about taking a leaf out of HER book and accept HER the way she accepts THEM!

[Cherry Christmas]

Her message is acceptance and to be who you really are. Inspirational legend!


TiBB needs to take note :idc: or is it just acceptance of one particular group

[Greg!]

TiBB needs to take note :idc: or is it just acceptance of one particular group

Not being funny but do you ever post anything related to the topic or do you just like to air your grievances 24/7.

[Cherry Christmas]

Be who you really are except if you're Ann?

:joker: this is it, accept me accept me accept me..I'm not accepting you though, you need to change to accommodate me and my views, that's the acceptance that is being promoted here

[chuff me dizzy]

Excellent as always Robodog :clap1: I doubt anyones learned anything from the bloody attention seeking idiot ,I bet they are all bored rigid with him,hence all the nominations ,i know I for one will be glad to see the back of him and the end of the series ,as Soon as Ann goes Im switching off

[Greg!]

Be who you really are except if you're Ann?

Unless you're Ann and want to deny people basic rights, yes :)

[Cherry Christmas]

Not being funny but do you ever post anything related to the topic or do you just like to air your grievances 24:7.

how is my post not relevant to the topic? you said her message is acceptance, there isn't much acceptance for Ann's views only her own that is not acceptance that is intolerance in my book, anyway stick to the HMs please I am not the subject of this debate

[-Sue-]

Her message is acceptance and to be who you really are. Inspirational legend!

well said :clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

TiBB needs to take note :idc: or is it just acceptance of one particular group

How boring ? :bored:

[bots]

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass :idc:

[Ellen]

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass :idc:
:joker::joker:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Her message is acceptance and to be who you really are. Inspirational legend!

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?


:laugh2:

brilliant

:thumbs:

[Cherry Christmas]

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass :idc:

:laugh2:

[chuff me dizzy]

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?


:laugh2:

brilliant

:thumbs:

Mocking real women ?

[Greg!]

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?


:laugh2:

brilliant

:thumbs:

It's called expressing yourself sis

[Greg!]

Mocking real women ?

Omg Chuff me dizzy is India confirmed? Always had my suspicions

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It's called expressing yourself sis

I am a he, DONT MISGENDER ME


:nono:

[Robodog]

Unless you're Ann and want to deny people basic rights, yes :)

What basic rights does she deny?

[chuff me dizzy]

What basic rights does she deny?

I never knew she was so powerful !!

[Christmas Lights]

So true

Why is her acceptance not enough?
She kisses, hugs them etc
She discusses anything they want to talk about, she listens intently and replies with respect and friendliness.
She clearly has no bad feeling towards them.

What more do they want?

How about taking a leaf out of HER book and accept HER the way she accepts THEM!

They should also take a leaf out of Amanda's book who was such a positive person who didn't need to revolve around labels as that doesn't define her .

When Shane J opens his mouth he always mentions his personal background.

Ann doesn't constantly say "I'm a single Catholic with no kids " .

Amanda didn't keep going on about being in a civil partnership and a atheist

[Greg!]

What basic rights does she deny?

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

[Robodog]

They should also take a leaf out of Amanda's book who was such a positive person who didn't need to revolve around labels as that doesn't define her .

When Shane J opens his mouth he always mentions his personal background.

Ann doesn't constantly say "I'm a single Catholic with no kids " .

Amanda didn't go on about being in a civil partnership and a atheist

So true

It's the old question again:

Do you identify people according to type?
Or as individuals?

Wise Amanda was all about the individual.
She knows it's the key to acceptance and peace between different people.

[-Sue-]

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?
:laugh2:
brilliant
:thumbs:

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..:shrug:
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

[Paula D]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

So she hasn't denied anyone their rights?

Okay, so you take back your previous statement then yes?

[Greg!]

I never knew she was so powerful !!

I said she "wants" to deny people rights, not that she is actually in a position of power to do so.

[Greg!]

So she hasn't denied anyone their rights?

Okay, so you take back your previous statement then yes?

NO. Read what I actually said babes.

[poppsywoppsy]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

No, this must be the first time anyone has ever brought this up:shocked::shocked:

[poppsywoppsy]

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..:shrug:
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.

[Greg!]

No, this must be the first time anyone has ever brought this up:shocked::shocked:

Well someone asked a question and I answered it

[Kazanne]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

She is not in power and never will be,plus a lot of people hold the same opinions ,how are you going to shut them all down ? as long as they don't force you to believe what they do,what's the problem :shrug:

[-Sue-]

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.
His choice noone elses..:shrug:

[poppsywoppsy]

His choice noone elses..:shrug:

Because he is not a woman and biologically never can be.

[Robodog]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

I'm not religious but according to her definitions:

She sees marriage as a religious institution that recognises the sanctity of male/female union - sacred because it produces human life.

Obviously two people of the same gender cannot produce human life so she sees no reason to change the definition of marriage to accommodate something that is not possible by those religious terms.

As for abortions: again i am not religious but the Catholic church believe that life begins at conception.
So to them, abortions are like killing babies. That's why she called herself 'defender off the unborn'
I can't say for sure when life begins - at conception or later on during pregnancy so i don't quite know what to think on this.

There is no reason why gay people who love each other cannot have a fully legal relationship, equal to any legal straight partnership, but in terms of the religious definition of marriage as a sacred union between those who produce human life, i can see why religious people think that way - but i am not religious so it means nothing to me.

[-Sue-]

Because he is not a woman and biologically never can be.
He doesn't claim to be :shrug: he just enjoys being courtney

[y.winter]

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

[Oliver_W]

Does he need to have a message? I usually tune out when he goes on about LGBTQWERTY but I never got the impression he has an actual message, beyond representing what he sees as a positive example of a gay person.

[Christmas Lights]

She is not in power and never will be,plus a lot of people hold the same opinions ,how are you going to shut them all down ? as long as they don't force you to believe what they do,what's the problem :shrug:

:clap1:

[Robodog]

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

True

Speaking to my gay mates, he makes them cringe with all this self-appointed voice of the community business. Kind of enforces the gay stereotype of a 'preachy overtly-sexual drag queen' when the real message required is 'gays are as normal as the rest of us'. Being gay doesn't have to mean being outrageous and in your face.

It's also why a lot of gays cringe at gay pride. All that OTT gyrating in shiny pink pants. Not exactly normalising.

[Tom4784]

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

She has not been in politics for 8 years. how on earth do you know her views now

8 years ago you were a child, for instance and i am sure your views have changed?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

[Amy Jade]

Greg :clap1:

[Robertocarlo]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

[-Sue-]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

well said :clap1: :cheer2:

[Robodog]

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

[Robertocarlo]

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

They voted for her because it's a strong Tory seat and safe for them. Even if they'd put a cat or dog up in Maidstone and The Weald they'd win. So, no Ann isn't special she is just another Swivel Eyed Loon Tory in a 100% safe Tory seat.

[girlfighter1992]

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

[chuff me dizzy]

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

Her morals and beliefs and no one should think they have a right to tell her they are wrong

[chuff me dizzy]

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

:clap1: I doubt he could change anyones views ,he's just a little creep who dresses as a woman for a living

[Robodog]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

Not simple if he hasn't said it.

But if that's true, then most of us already agree with that message.

And if he thinks Ann doesn't agree, why isn't he talking about it with her like he used to do?

Not very equal to discuss her and her views behind her back, denying her a right to reply.

[Christmas Lights]

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

Yes what a great role model talking about how he'd have sex on TV :hee: :bored: . And using the excuse of "I'm not ashamed of my body" BS .

[Livia]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

[Oliver_W]

She has not been in politics for 8 years. how on earth do you know her views now

8 years ago you were a child, for instance and i am sure your views have changed?

I'm pretty sure her anti-LGBT voting was spread over more than eight years, surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out?
That said, she's been spending her time as a "celebrity" which probably exposed her to more LGBT people than her time as an MP would have.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm pretty sure her anti-LGBT voting was spread over more than eight years, surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out?
That said, she's been spending her time as a "celebrity" which probably exposed her to more LGBT people than her time as an MP would have.

Why should she change HER views ?

[Denver]

For young gay men to try it on with straight guys and get battered because of it

[Oliver_W]

Why should she change HER views ?

Did I say she should?

[clairefromsomewhereinnort]

No he combats Ann s bigotry on it, who s blockled so much fun i don t know why people can t see that. He doesn t raise it first usually it s soc sf Ann s face pulls and eye rolls, her unkind gestsures when she says she values people being kind that is so hypocritical that s what forces Shane J to try to explain gay and trans people.

i think Shane J s main message is love is love it doesn t matter if its between two people of the same gender and that as is summed up in Lady Gaga s song we were " Born this way", so nothing wrong with it and it s not our fault not a choice, we were born this way. i think that s the clear message that i m surprised people aren t able to see if they can t ?

[Robodog]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

Spot on with style as always, Livia

Reminds me of this cartoon :

https://me.me/i/i-dont-believe-that-women-have-any-rights-and-think-15224013

[chuff me dizzy]

Did I say she should?

" surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out "

Theres no one walking this earth that could change my views on anything I believe in ,and Im glad Ann wont be swayed either ,and esp by a jumped up cheap drag queen

[Christmas Lights]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

Like I said Ann's religion is an easy target :bored: , even Maggie had a go at her about the child abuse scandals in SOME churches .

And Shane J was moaning about her views on female priests .

I know if a Muslim or Jew went into the BB house with similar views they would not be picked on like Ann has . They'd have to just accept the views in fear of being seen as "islamphobic" or "anti-Semitic" :sleep:.

They treat Ann like some evil figure who condemns people , Shane J actually referred to her as "a villain" . He's such a daft tool bag .

[Oliver_W]

" surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out "

Theres no one walking this earth that could change my views on anything I believe in ,and Im glad Ann wont be swayed either ,and esp by a jumped up cheap drag queen

That doesn't imply I think her views should change. I may as well have said "if she was going to drink champagne, you'd think it would be while she could get it comped in the House of Commons bar"

I didn't opine over whether or not her views should change, I just commented on when they'd be likely to change.

[Robodog]

Like I said Ann's religion is an easy target :bored: , even Maggie had a go at her about the child abuse scandals in SOME churches .

And Shane J was moaning about her views on female priests .

I know if a Muslim or Jew went into the BB house with similar views they would not be picked on like Ann has . They'd have to just accept the views in fear of being seen as "islamphobic" or "anti-Semitic" :sleep:.

They treat Ann like some evil figure who condemns people , Shane J actually referred to her as "a villain" . He's such a daft tool bag .

Sadly the media perpetuates this double-standard

OK to challenge and mock Christianity, but not other religions.

So much for equality!!

[y.winter]

Thinking about it after seeing the posts in this thread - is it voting for a specific set of views or are we voting for more than that? I'm quite sure it's the latter.
I don't think anyone here is against gay rights or equality, so there's no arguing about Shane J's message.
From this point onwards, it's the added value that the housemate brings with him/her.
If it was solely the message of equality, then I don't see how the rest of the house (minus Ann in some things) are less worthy than Shane J.
For me Shane J has nothing to offer other than the message that he brings with him - while other housemates who share the same views, have given more depth to their own character.
Shane J just doesn't have exclusivity on the LGBT and equality message, nor he should win for it like he's the only one in the house who holds it.
A vote for Shane J is simply a vote for Shane J...

[Christmas Lights]

Sadly the media perpetuates this double-standard

OK to challenge and mock Christianity, but not other religions.

So much for equality!!

It's unbelievable :bored: . Exactly equality goes out the window !! .

[Robodog]

Thinking about it after seeing the posts in this thread - is it voting for a specific set of views or are we voting for more than that? I'm quite sure it's the latter.
I don't think anyone here is against gay rights or equality, so there's no arguing about Shane J's message.
From this point onwards, it's the added value that the housemate brings with him/her.
If it was solely the message of equality, then I don't see how the rest of the house (minus Ann in some things) are less worthy than Shane J.
For me Shane J has nothing to offer other than the message that he brings with him - while other housemates who share the same views, have given more depth to their own character.
Shane J just doesn't have exclusivity on the LGBT and equality message, nor he should win for it like he's the only one in the house who holds it.
A vote for Shane J is simply a vote for Shane J...

Very good point

Even my gay mates reckon he is using the whole LGBT issue simply to boost himself

Trivialises the seriousness of gay rights when people use it for their own personal gain, i can see their point

[Kazanne]

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

:joker::joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.:cheer2:

[Kazanne]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

This is so true Livia,why is such hatred not aimed at them.

[Christmas Lights]

This is so true Livia,why is such hatred not aimed at them.

Because they're not easy targets :whistle: .
I personally hate any discrimination to any religion .

But there's some horrific things happening in other countries at the hands of so called people with certain Faith's . But people don't comment on those things :suspect:.

Instead they pick on a 70 year old Tory who still accepts people and are friends with them but just has different views that are no where near as harmful or as bad as they're making them out to be :facepalm:.

[-Sue-]

Because they're not easy targets :whistle: .
I personally hate any discrimination to any religion .

But there's some horrific things happening in other countries at the hands of so called people with certain Faith's . But people don't comment on those things :suspect:.

Instead they pick on a 70 year old Tory who still accepts people and are friends with them but just has different views that are no where near as harmful or as bad as they're making them out to be :facepalm:.
No offence but I couldn't help but question this Ann LEFT an entire religion as women were being ordained is that discrimination? :shrug:

[Robodog]

She is religious and simply following her religion, same as any muslim or jew

Those are religious beliefs

People think they are attacking her, but they are attacking the beliefs of her religion

[Robodog]

She is religious and simply following her religion, same as any muslim or jew

Those are religious beliefs

People think they are attacking her, but they are attacking the beliefs of her religion

[Christmas Lights]

No offence but I couldn't help but question this Ann LEFT an entire religion as women were being ordained is that discrimination? :shrug:

:joker: Ann is a practicing Catholic ,she prays everyday near enough ,so what on Earth are you talking about?? .

Her views are more strict than Shane L's faith as he's more modern and he's a born again Christian . Not everyone thinks the exact same . It's not a cult .

[Greg!]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

If there was a Muslim housemate with the same views as Ann I would feel exactly the same way about them as a I do about Ann

[Greg!]

Her morals and beliefs and no one should think they have a right to tell her they are wrong

So no one has the right to tell someone their beliefs are wrong?? Ridiculous statement

[Underscore]

So no one has the right to tell someone their beliefs are wrong?? Ridiculous statement

.

[-Sue-]

:joker: Ann is a practicing Catholic ,she prays everyday near enough ,so what on Earth are you talking about?? .

Her views are more strict than Shane L's faith as he's more modern and he's a born again Christian . Not everyone thinks the exact same . It's not a cult .

https://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2010/07/catholic-church-religious
read the paragraph 'You converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism in the 1990s, with a period of agnosticism in between. What caused the shift?'

that was what I was talking about :shrug:

[Christmas Lights]

https://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2010/07/catholic-church-religious
read the paragraph 'You converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism in the 1990s, with a period of agnosticism in between. What caused the shift?'

that was what I was talking about :shrug:

But she's still a Catholic now .

[Pro Sniper]

His "message"(not so hidden) has been clear and consistent from the off:-

VOTE FOR ME TO WIN.

IGNORE THE FACT I'M A COMPLETE PHONEY.

IGNORE THE FACT I'M A NARCISSIST.

IGNORE THE FACT I TRIED MY DAMNDEST TO GET THE HOUSE TO GANG UP ON AN OLD LADY..AFTER I FAILED TO GET HER TO BUCKLE AND KNEEL TO MY SUPERIOR VIEWS.

IGNORE MY STREAM OF VULGAR INNUENDOS.

IGNORE IT ALL AND KEEP BELIEVING THAT THERE'S MUCH SINCERITY IN MY CRUSADE.

KEEP SUPPORTING ME AND LET'S KEEP GROWING MY PERSONA SO THAT I CAN WATCH MY BANK BALANCE GROW AFTER RECEIVING SILLY OFFERS OFF THE BACK OF YOUR SUPPORT.

[Christmas Lights]

His "message"(not so hidden) has been clear and consistent from the off:-

VOTE FOR ME TO WIN.

IGNORE THE FACT I'M A COMPLETE PHONEY.

IGNORE THE FACT I'M A NARCISSIST.

IGNORE THE FACT I TRIED MY DAMNDEST TO GET THE HOUSE TO GANG UP ON AN OLD LADY..AFTER I FAILED TO GET HER TO BUCKLE AND KNEEL TO MY SUPERIOR VIEWS.

IGNORE MY STREAM OF VULGAR INNUENDOS.

IGNORE IT ALL AND KEEP BELIEVING THAT THERE'S MUCH SINCERITY IN MY CRUSADE.

KEEP SUPPORTING ME AND LET'S KEEP GROWING MY PERSONA SO THAT I CAN WATCH MY BANK BALANCE GROW AFTER RECEIVING SILLY OFFERS OFF THE BACK OF YOUR SUPPORT.

Sums him up perfectly :clap1: .