lgbtqiapk

[Jase.]

Somebody just referred to "LGBTQIAPK" on Twitter so I raced to Google.

Now I knew LGBTQ but is "IAPK" a new thing or..

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersexual, Asexual, Pansexual and Polygamous, and Kinkiness.

Can somebody explain why being kinky is now included with being lesbian/gay/bi/trans/etc? :laugh2: I really don't get it.

[RileyH]

hmm

[andybigbro]

I’m sure I seen somewhere there is even more letters at the end of the ones you posted.

[Marches]

Because it’s 2018 everyone has to have a label

Gay? Labelled

Trans? Labelled

Into violent s&m? Labelled

[Saph]

Kinkiness :laugh2: doesn't just 'LGBT' cover everything? why do we need to go into specific categories now

[Marches]

God now people with a bit of a kinky fetish are gonna think they’re part of the lgbt umbrella

[montblanc]

is being kinky really one? :skull:

that seems a little strange BUT i'm not going to comment on it bc i don't know anything about it so

[montblanc]

i wouldn't really consider polygamy apart of the LGBT umbrella either but idk

[RichardG]

you'd think gay people would almost be a little bit offended at being categorised under the same acronym as kinky paul who likes to spend his evenings being whipped by a dominatrix in a gimp suit

[Crimson Dynamo]

still

at least people are not laughing and the whole point of it is being lost...

[Smithy]

APPK is so ****ing dumb

[bots]

well, i'm glad to be part of the group at last :smug:

[Twosugars]

As a plain gay myself, I'd stop at Q as Q imo covers all others that come after (and before if I'm really honest)
deffo wouldn't add kinky or polygamous

don't they realize this is getting ridiculous? :conf2:
and who the hell decides those things? some gay council of wizards?

[Smithy]

I don’t think anyone apart from SJW acknowledge anything past Q

[Beso]

well, i'm glad to be part of the group at last :smug:

:dance:
:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

when will the bondage anal loving straights get some love and a letter?



(seeking justice, for a friend)

[Withano]

Not heard that before. LGBTQQIAAP is more commonly used.

[Beso]

Not heard that before. LGBTQQIAAP is more commonly used.

What do they all stand for?

[Withano]

What do they all stand for?

Lesbian gay bi trans questioning queer intersex asexual ally pansexual (off the top of my head might be wrong)

[caprimint]

Yas for asexual finally getting some recognition :clap1:

[Smithy]

Oh yeah all those asexuals that are thrown out and killed for their sexuality :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How come da lesbos get the first letter?

If i were a man gay i would be pissed that it wasnt GLBT

I take it it was a woman who did that?

:suspect:

[Marches]

Didn’t lgbt used to be a way to like find other people who were going through like similar things and being discriminated against and like make friends and learn more about it that way? I remember there used to be an lgbt group at school my teacher recommended and it did help a ton. So like what’s the point if everyone is now included in it?

Oh you like bondage? You’re lgbt!
Foot fetish? Lgbt
Don’t like anyone? Lgbt!

[Vicky.]

you'd think gay people would almost be a little bit offended at being categorised under the same acronym as kinky paul who likes to spend his evenings being whipped by a dominatrix in a gimp suit

Indeed.

[Withano]

If i were a man gay i would be pissed that it wasnt GLBT

That sounds like a morning show

[caprimint]

Oh yeah all those asexuals that are thrown out and killed for their sexuality :umm2:
Well asexuals are not publicized because there is less way to do so as they can still be in a relationship with the opposite gender and people just consider it to be a 'normal relationship' as others have no knowledge of this. :shrug: It's a sexuality that people have really little knowledge of generally and I've gotten plenty of the 'weird' and 'not normal' comments when I've told people. Just because it's less common doesn't make it less valid.

[Withano]

Well asexuals are not publicized because there is less way to do so as they can still be in a relationship with the opposite gender and people just consider it to be a 'normal relationship' as others have no knowledge of this. :shrug: It's a sexuality that people have really little knowledge of generally and I've gotten plenty of the 'weird' and 'not normal' comments when I've told people. Just because it's less common doesn't make it less valid.

I completely agree, i think people are quite ignorant about the idea of asexuality (a lot of people suggest it isnt real, and that people are celibate or frigid etc instead).. I dont see why it cant be part of an acronym, especially now that most heterosexuals are widely accepted in this lgbt community under ally in the lgbttqqiaap acronym.

Not too keen on the acronym in the OP though I'll be honest.. that does seem more to do with sex than sexuality

Actually roughly 1% of people identified as asexual in the 1950s on the Kinsey scale, and national census records shows that the figure has barely changed

[Twosugars]

when will the bondage anal loving straights get some love and a letter?



(seeking justice, for a friend)

Anal, huh? I'm beginning to see your forum name in a surprising new light :hee:

[Twosugars]

Actually roughly 1% of people identified as asexual in the 1950s on the Kinsey scale, and national census records shows that the figure has barely changed

more than I'd expect

[Crimson Dynamo]

i actually thought this thread was about people laughing (true story) as in aaaaggsdhjhasbhawbwbcliabc

[Beso]

What if you just want a wee wank now and again?

[Twosugars]

What if you just want a wee wank now and again?

wanker springs to mind

[caprimint]

I completely agree, i think people are quite ignorant about the idea of asexuality (a lot of people suggest it isnt real, and that people are celibate or frigid etc instead).. I dont see why it cant be part of an acronym, especially now that most heterosexuals are widely accepted in this lgbt community under ally in the lgbttqqiaap acronym.

Not too keen on the acronym in the OP though I'll be honest.. that does seem more to do with sex than sexuality

Actually roughly 1% of people identified as asexual in the 1950s on the Kinsey scale, and national census records shows that the figure has barely changed
:worship:

[Smithy]

Well asexuals are not publicized because there is less way to do so as they can still be in a relationship with the opposite gender and people just consider it to be a 'normal relationship' as others have no knowledge of this. :shrug: It's a sexuality that people have really little knowledge of generally and I've gotten plenty of the 'weird' and 'not normal' comments when I've told people. Just because it's less common doesn't make it less valid.

I completely agree, i think people are quite ignorant about the idea of asexuality (a lot of people suggest it isnt real, and that people are celibate or frigid etc instead).. I dont see why it cant be part of an acronym, especially now that most heterosexuals are widely accepted in this lgbt community under ally in the lgbttqqiaap acronym.

Not too keen on the acronym in the OP though I'll be honest.. that does seem more to do with sex than sexuality

Actually roughly 1% of people identified as asexual in the 1950s on the Kinsey scale, and national census records shows that the figure has barely changed

LGB(T) as term came from activists, I.e people that had to fight for equality, excuse me if I’m wrong but there’s not many places where asexual people aren’t seen as equal

[Beso]

wanker springs to mind

It does need a w squeezed in somewhere.

[y.winter]

I find it quite ridiculous and stupid, as someone described it before - LGBTQWERTY.
People with too much time on the internet looking to label every part of their personality and overall busy with turning themselves into a cluster of nouns instead of actually doing something useful and being a human being who happens to love certain things.

[Beso]

That.

[Crimson Dynamo]

|Its people who feel marginalised by society trying to get importance tbh

[Jack_]

I've thought about this a few times before, but I actually think a lot of this kind of thing is a fascinating example of the Foucauldian notion of reverse discourse. For reference:

This new persecution of the peripheral sexualities entailed an incorporation of perversions and a new specification of individuals.

...

Homosexuality appeared as one of the forms of sexuality when it was transposed from the practice of sodomy onto a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphrodism of the soul. The sodomite had been a temporary aberration; the homosexual was now a species.

(The History of Sexuality, pp. 42-43)

There is no question that the appearance in nineteenth-century psychiatry, jurisprudence, and literature of a whole series of discourses on the species and subspecies of homosexuality, inversion, pederasty, and "psychic hermaphrodism" made possible a strong advance of social controls into this area of "perversity"; but it also made possible the formation of a "reverse" discourse: homosexuality began to speak in its own behalf, to demand that its legitimacy or "naturality" be acknowledged, often in the same vocabulary, using the same categories by which it was medically disqualified.

(p. 101)

So, in essence, these people would be trying to claim (or reclaim) their kinks as an identity category, and demand their legitimacy in the community.

Rather ironically, Foucault himself was a (gay) sadomasochist :joker:

Anyway...personally, I don't really care if people wish to expand the acronym for their own purposes, it's not as if it's going to catch on colloquially. Indeed, with every letter it just becomes harder to remember. Though I do think the 'Q' is worthwhile, certainly the 'I' isn't talked about nearly enough, and I could be persuaded that the 'A' is valuable too. Of course the simplest method to condense all of these is just to type LGBT+ and be done with it :hee:

[Withano]

LGB(T) as term came from activists, I.e people that had to fight for equality, excuse me if I’m wrong but there’s not many places where asexual people aren’t seen as equal

I agree to an extent, the original LGBT was a beautiful thing, but I'd say that acronym has survived on its own and is still used regularly to describe the inequality that they face. The letters after that is more to do with community and inclusivity I'd imagine (the majority of heterosexual people also fit under the acronym I mentioned) and I think thats a brilliant, yet separate thing. And I think that way because views like the one below are pretty prominent. 'Asexuals (and the etc) cant be included into the community because theyre just looking for nouns instead of doing something useful'. Its a bit ridiculous, and its excellent that they have been included despite views like that.

I find it quite ridiculous and stupid, as someone described it before - LGBTQWERTY.
People with too much time on the internet looking to label every part of their personality and overall busy with turning themselves into a cluster of nouns instead of actually doing something useful and being a human being who happens to love certain things.

[Jamie89]

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[Jamie89]

I don't really see the harm in any of it, if anything I suppose it's a good sign that people who maybe in the past wouldn't have wanted to be associated now do? Shows how 'normal' we've become. I think a better approach though would not to have acronyms at all, maybe just use something like Queer as a catch all and use the words (gay/lesbian etc etc) if you're talking about something specific, seems more straight forward. Or have LGBT and then Queer to describe everything else? I dunno, something simpler than a string of letters I can't remember and that are different depending who you ask :laugh:

[y.winter]

I agree to an extent, the original LGBT was a beautiful thing, but I'd say that acronym has survived on its own and is still used regularly to describe the inequality that they face. The letters after that is more to do with community and inclusivity I'd imagine (the majority of heterosexual people also fit under the acronym I mentioned) and I think thats a brilliant, yet separate thing. And I think that way because views like the one below are pretty prominent. 'Asexuals (and the etc) cant be included into the community because theyre just looking for nouns instead of doing something useful'. Its a bit ridiculous, and its excellent that they have been included despite views like that.

I just think that at some point this acronym becomes a joke and a parody on its actual origin. You can't append all the ABC to LGBT and expect people to take it seriously. It's totally missing the point.

[Withano]

I just think that at some point this acronym becomes a joke and a parody on its actual origin. You can't append all the ABC to LGBT and expect people to take it seriously. It's totally missing the point.

Its there for people who want to use it, I'd say 'LGBT+' is the most common acronym. Job done. And not to sound like some sort of controversist, but excluding people because WE HAVE ENOUGH LETTERS THANK YOU is actually the parody of it actual origin, and totally missing the point I'd say.

[y.winter]

That's really stretching what I said, especially rephrasing and putting it in block letters to make it like some sort of a hysterical seizure.

[Marches]

Its there for people who want to use it, I'd say 'LGBT+' is the most common acronym. Job done. And not to sound like some sort of controversist, but excluding people because WE HAVE ENOUGH LETTERS THANK YOU is actually the parody of it actual origin, and totally missing the point I'd say.

The current acronym excludes straight people too, and people attracted to cats and blue whales. I think we’ll need more letters :shocked:

[Withano]

The current acronym excludes straight people too, and people attracted to cats and blue whales. I think we’ll need more letters :shocked:

..it doesnt exclude straight people though..

[RichardG]

That's really stretching what I said, especially rephrasing and putting it in block letters to make it like some sort of a hysterical seizure.

people do that all the time in the debates forum, it's real annoying :worry:

[Marches]

..it doesnt exclude straight people though..

Where?

[Smithy]

I agree to an extent, the original LGBT was a beautiful thing, but I'd say that acronym has survived on its own and is still used regularly to describe the inequality that they face. The letters after that is more to do with community and inclusivity I'd imagine (the majority of heterosexual people also fit under the acronym I mentioned) and I think thats a brilliant, yet separate thing. And I think that way because views like the one below are pretty prominent. 'Asexuals (and the etc) cant be included into the community because theyre just looking for nouns instead of doing something useful'. Its a bit ridiculous, and its excellent that they have been included despite views like that.

I just think the more “letters” you add to LGBT the more you take away from it too, like you said people just mock and say people are just coming up for labels for thenselves. I don’t see why there isn’t a separate acronym for “others” so to speak where it’s not really about equality it’s more about “the separate thing” as you put it :laugh: Like IAP could be something completely separate to LGBT

[Withano]

That's really stretching what I said, especially rephrasing and putting it in block letters to make it like some sort of a hysterical seizure.

Not really, originally everybody after the T in LGBT were People with too much time on the internet looking to label every part of their personality and overall busy with turning themselves into a cluster of nouns instead of actually doing something useful and being a human being who happens to love certain things. then you went on to say how the extra letters are defeating the point, when actually none of what you said is true. People define the sexuality, including you and I, and including asexual and pansexual people. They've been put in an acronym and thats ok. They're not just internet dwelling entities looking to label themselves in every way possible.

[Tom4784]

I'm quite offended that my sexuality is considered on the same level as having a kink and polygamy.

I'll just stick to LGBT....

[Firewire]

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/article31253578.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/DG%20jade%20diary.jpg

when someone questions your polyamory

[y.winter]

Oh dear, I was talking about the chase after making LGBT into a never ending acronym. The subliminal suggestion that it's just pure lgbtphobia is just an exaggeration, as I didn't say any of it. People can be whoever they want and they're not less valid, yet that's not the point in what I said.

[Jamie89]

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky :think: ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

[Jessica.]

Where is the D for Demisexual, I don't feel represented? :idc: When will the segregation end?

But seriously, I think LGBTQ+ has always been enough, I don't get why stuff always gets added on. I've seen so many variations of it.

[Smithy]

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

[Denver]

Somebody just referred to "LGBTQIAPK" on Twitter so I raced to Google.

Now I knew LGBTQ but is "IAPK" a new thing or..



Can somebody explain why being kinky is now included with being lesbian/gay/bi/trans/etc? :laugh2: I really don't get it.

50 Shades did that?

[Firewire]

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

[Jamie89]

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

:laugh2:

[Smithy]

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

It was her hip you flop

[Firewire]

There's no H in LGBT tho!

[Smithy]

Guess you shouldn’t have made the ****e joke then hen!!

[RileyH]

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

:joker:

[Jamie89]

There's no H in LGBT tho!

Hypersexuality to be included in the next addition?

[y.winter]

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

when will LGBTRW? Lesbians, Gays, Trans, Bi and Real Women
https://media1.tenor.com/images/6c88c15dc180667645c221a048f0e3bd/tenor.gif

[Smithy]

:bigsmile:

Leave the jokes to me girls you’re not doing anyone any favours

[GoldHeart]

So next it will be the whole alphabet LGBTACDEFHIJKMNOPQRSUVWXYZ :sleep:

[bots]

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky :think: ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

i think what they are trying to put forward is that kinky people are born kinky and its not a conscious choice that they have ... but doesn't everyone have a degree of kink in them to some extent..... it could be something as simple as liking leather, it doesn't need to be pain, bondage and humiliation :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky :think: ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

Yeah was just coming in to say that aswell, what rights are people who are into kinky stuff looking for exactly? Why does the world need to acknowledge what type of sex they enjoy, seriously?

[Marches]

i think what they are trying to put forward is that kinky people are born kinky and its not a conscious choice that they have ... but doesn't everyone have a degree of kink in them to some extent..... it could be something as simple as liking leather, it doesn't need to be pain, bondage and humiliation :laugh:

Where do we draw the line with this? What’s stopping these people from including pedophiles in the lgbt soup?

[Vicky.]

It is so wide now that it covers nearly all people on earth, which means realistically the whole thing is pointless. Asexual people, how the **** are they discriminated against? Noone is going to beat you in the street for NOT having sex. its just ridiculous really. And I mentioned on a thread recently about this 'Kink' push to be added, again thats stupid 'Kinky' people should be being 'kinky' behind closed doors, so noone would even know they were 'kinky' and if they are practicing their kinks in public or involving members of the public against their will then they are a bit sick and should not be expecting for their behavior to be considered 'normal' (I guess part of 'kink' could be having sex in public or something though...ugh). Look at all the stuff thats included under 'kink'..basically anything besides having sex with the lights off in missionary 24/7 :laugh:

https://www.glamour.com/story/a-to-z-kinks-and-fetishes

And as Niamh said last time this was brought up...age play is creepy as ****.

Everyone seems to want to tell the world about their fetishes. And I think its really wrong to be associating LGB people with simply having fetishes to be quite honest. I would add T on there, but many many of the group currently under the transgender umbrella ARE simply fetishists. So I would say that associating gay, lesbian, bi and transsexual (and intersex) people in with fetishists it pretty wrong. And transsexual needs to be transsexual again else transsexual people are lumped in with fetishists both for 'transgender' and the LGBTALPHABET.

People just want to jump on this to prove how apparently discriminated against they are, and its silly.

Also, so many of my gay friends find queer very offensive. It seems to be mainly the younger generation who have decided its an acceptable term.

[Smithy]

It is so wide now that it covers nearly all people on earth, which means realistically the whole thing is pointless. Asexual people, how the **** are they discriminated against? Noone is going to beat you in the street for NOT having sex. its just ridiculous really. And I mentioned on a thread recently about this 'Kink' push to be added, again thats stupid 'Kinky' people should be being 'kinky' behind closed doors, so noone would even know they were 'kinky' and if they are practicing their kinks in public or involving members of the public against their will then they are a bit sick and should not be expecting for their behavior to be considered 'normal' (I guess part of 'kink' could be having sex in public or something though...ugh). Look at all the stuff thats included under 'kink'..basically anything besides having sex with the lights off in missionary 24/7 :laugh:

https://www.glamour.com/story/a-to-z-kinks-and-fetishes

And as Niamh said last time this was brought up...age play is creepy as ****.

Everyone seems to want to tell the world about their fetishes. And I think its really wrong to be associating LGB people with simply having fetishes to be quite honest. I would add T on there, but many many of the group currently under the transgender umbrella ARE simply fetishists. So I would say that associating gay, lesbian, bi and transsexual (and intersex) people in with fetishists it pretty wrong. And transsexual needs to be transsexual again else transsexual people are lumped in with fetishists both for 'transgender' and the LGBTALPHABET.

People just want to jump on this to prove how apparently discriminated against they are, and its silly.

Also, so many of my gay friends find queer very offensive. It seems to be mainly the younger generation who have decided its an acceptable term.

Tea!!

[Maru]

They should make LGBT into an umbrella term at this point and say it includes all letters. Done, futureproofed.

[Gstar]

Oh yeah all those asexuals that are thrown out and killed for their sexuality :umm2:

This.

It’s more than including what you might be. The main people who have to fight for equality/raise awareness/go through hell are LGBT. No additions please

[Vicky.]

I don't really see the harm in any of it, if anything I suppose it's a good sign that people who maybe in the past wouldn't have wanted to be associated now do? Shows how 'normal' we've become. I think a better approach though would not to have acronyms at all, maybe just use something like Queer as a catch all and use the words (gay/lesbian etc etc) if you're talking about something specific, seems more straight forward. Or have LGBT and then Queer to describe everything else? I dunno, something simpler than a string of letters I can't remember and that are different depending who you ask :laugh:

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though :laugh:

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word.

-

LBG are their own thing and all to do with sexuality and nothing to do with kink or any 'choice'. Could be discriminated against for how they were born. All alike, all SHOULD be together.

T is separate from them all. 'Transgender' is a huge catchall word that encompasses half the planet also and lumps in transsexual people (who do need help and support) with crossdressers and drag queens. Now, crossdressing is a choice, but even if it is somehow innate, its a more like a kink than a sexuality. Neither transsexual nor transgender is a sexuality like LGB. Infact much of the ideology/activism is homophobic (see cotton ceiling) so they should definitely not be joined. But yes, they may suffer discrimination.

Intersex is obviously its own thing too, but yes they could be discriminated against for how they were born. Nothing to do with sexuality though, and again, its own thing.

Q - utterly pointless term and was used as a slur for a long time too. Not even necessarily about sexuality and many straight white people describe themselves as queer just so they can feel special. Another catchall that if most people tried hard enough, they could include themselves under. Should disappear totally tbh

Assexual, polygamy and such, just...they will not be discriminated against..as unless you actually told someone, noone would know, so I don't understand adding these at all.

2spirit (on one of the alphabet soups)...just wtf, again nothing to do with LGB

Kink, **** off trying to make your sexual choices something to do with everyone else. Seriously..noone cares unless you decide to start walking around town in a gimp suit o r pop your 'yoni eggs' out in the middle of a restaurant.

So yeah, I think many many groups are just piggybacking on the LGB movement to get a slice of the 'discrimination' pie when many of them have not suffered discrimination and probably never will . People know there is huge support for LGB people now, and want to use that to further their own interests, which I find pretty insidious, if I am honest. And the constant watering down of LGB is making the whole thing a bit of a joke. And its certainly not a good thing to be making out that LGB and 'kink' have anything in common when kink is absolutely a choice and LGB people have fought like, forever to get people to understand that their sexuality is NOT a choice.

Long post, sorry. Went on a rant again :laugh:

[Livia]

I reckon that the string of initials will go on until eventually everyone's included and not inclined to place themselves and others in categories.

[Gstar]

I reckon that the string of initials will go on until eventually everyone's included and not inclined to place themselves and others in categories.

Because this world is ****ing stupid

[Oliver_W]

It's LGBT. Anything beyond that is nonsense.

I don't acknowledge "Queer", as it doesn't belong in the acronym; at best, it could be used as an alternative, because Queer is an umbrella term for things in LGBT. Why include an umbrella term in an umbrella term?

[user104658]

It's LGBT. Anything beyond that is nonsense.

I don't acknowledge "Queer", as it doesn't belong in the acronym; at best, it could be used as an alternative, because Queer is an umbrella term for things in LGBT. Why include an umbrella term in an umbrella term?

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

[smudgie]

What about us poor beggars that just don’t want to be labelled by our sexual orientation?:fist:

[Maru]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FLxXxBxkzqInu/giphy.gif

[Maru]

What about us poor beggars that just don’t want to be labelled by our sexual orientation?:fist:

https://media.giphy.com/media/14yS3Q0tAGKe7C/giphy.gif

[Livia]

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

That deserves a LOL.

[Tom4784]

A line has to be drawn, the LGBT is for people of non-normative sexuality (and genders in the case of Trans people) to come together.

It's not for Barbara who read Fifty Shades of Grey and now thinks she's an pressed minority because she likes a bit of light S&M in a fictional setting.

It honestly makes me mad the more I think about it, it makes an utter mockery of the cause.

[MTVN]

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though :laugh:

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word

Queer was used as a slur but I thought the point was they had reclaimed it the same way the n word has been

I've seen it used most often by those on the far left tbh who connect it to radical politics

[Oliver_W]

Queer was used as a slur but I thought the point was they had reclaimed it the same way the n word has been

I've seen it used most often by those on the far left tbh who connect it to radical politics

Yeah, you never hear it come up in "normal" conversation, people just say gay or whatever

[user104658]

It's exhausting is all I can really think to say in all seriousness. It's exhausting even for those who "aren't involved" so I can only imagine how exhausting it is for those who make it a deliberate part of their everyday existence.

Also if I'm going to be totally frank...... ... I can see why it's an ideology that seems to come hand in hand with a big ol' serving of anxiety and depression for a lot of people. There's nothing wrong with being individually whoever you want to be, but all of the "rules" and labels that come along with it? And trying to keep track of them? It's a chaotic mindset.

[Lostie!]

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

I do love you.

[user104658]

I do love you.

:flutter:

[Ammi]

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

A line has to be drawn, the LGBT is for people of non-normative sexuality (and genders in the case of Trans people) to come together.

It's not for Barbara who read Fifty Shades of Grey and now thinks she's an pressed minority because she likes a bit of light S&M in a fictional setting.

It honestly makes me mad the more I think about it, it makes an utter mockery of the cause.

..In keeping with TS though...what about Barbara, Dezzy...that poor pressed minority, Barbara who likes a little S&M and the likes of...

Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
You've got me rockin' and a-rollin'
Rockin' and a-reelin'
Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann

[Maru]

..In keeping with TS though...what about Barbara, Dezzy...that poor pressed minority, Barbara who likes a little S&M and the likes of...

Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
You've got me rockin' and a-rollin'
Rockin' and a-reelin'
Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann

Ammi, so what you're saying is, Barbara Ann is the S in S&M... :laugh: