Why are people on the left obsessed with degeneracy?

[Liberty4eva]

For years I couldn't understand so called "progressives". How could they decry oppression of women but embrace the hijab as a symbol of feminism? Why do they use the argument it's the woman's body on abortion but insist "grid girls" don't have the right to use their body to do their job while leaving the female porn stars employed? Why do they insist on more "diversity" for every European country on earth but never mention bringing more diversity to non-European countries? Why do they want, more and more, to tell kids that there are 40 genders, that it's normal to be a homosexual, etc. etc?

Those are some examples of many. These actions are hard to understand but I have a theory that seems to explain everything: They are obsessed with degeneracy in every form. They force it on other people to make them feel empowered.

I guess this is more of a statement of my belief than a topic of discussion but I had to vent a little. I feel better now. :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"that it's normal to be a homosexual, etc. etc?"

it is

:shrug:

[Marches]

Certain parts of the left I agree with, others I don’t,which is why I don’t get why it’s segregated into two sides.. tho the far left is an absolute mess and a lot of left leaning people will tell you that. I think most of your post really addresses the far left instead of everyone that calls themselves ‘progressive’

[Liberty4eva]

"that it's normal to be a homosexual, etc. etc?"

it is

:shrug:

Yes, I know in the UK it is perceived as normal to be homosexual. More and more people in the States think so too but it will forever be at odds with what nature intended. I'm 99% sure this post will be removed for being insensitive or something like that. If that upsets people maybe that's because deep down they know what I speak is closer to truth than they'd like to admit.

[Marches]

Also on the topic of homosexuality I don’t see how you see that as degressive. The amount of people who are primarily gay are hugely outnumbered and sure in the most literal sense it’s ‘not normal’ and optimal since you can’t reproduce ect but what do you propose we do about it? Why not let these people live in society as normal people? Conversion therapy has proven not to work, being gay isn’t a choice so if it were to be glorified it doesn’t do anything to people’s sexuality

[Liberty4eva]

Also on the topic of homosexuality I don’t see how you see that as degressive. The amount of people who are primarily gay are hugely outnumbered and sure in the most literal sense it’s ‘not normal’ and optimal since you can’t reproduce ect but what do you propose we do about it? Why not let these people live in society as normal people? Conversion therapy has proven not to work, being gay isn’t a choice so if it were to be glorified it doesn’t do anything to people’s sexuality

I'm all for tolerance and letting other people find what makes them happiest but demanding that society see them as normal (legalizing gay marriage, teaching it in schools, etc. etc.) is not going to make them any happier. To be honest, I feel that the majority of homosexuals are that way because of the hormones that were put in their food and water and that they consumed as kids. Maybe what they saw on the television played a role. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I do think that Will and Grace and the Golden Girls have a lot to answer for..


:suspect:

[Marches]

I'm all for tolerance and letting other people find what makes them happiest but demanding that society see them as normal (legalizing gay marriage, teaching it in schools, etc. etc.) is not going to make them any happier. To be honest, I feel that the majority of homosexuals are that way because of the hormones that were put in their food and water and that they consumed as kids. Maybe what they saw on the television played a role. :shrug:

Gay people aren’t even really on tv and if they are you can’t tell or they conform the stereotype

Tho there may be truth in the food thing, that one chemical that apparently 88% of teenagers had in them that mimicked eastrogen in the body and was linked to prostate cancer. Tho homosexuality is documented in nature and in history too so I doubt it has that much to do with chemicals (just eat well, kids! The distance food companies will go to ensure maximum profit at the expense of your health!)

[Oliver_W]

Accepting LGBT people isn't left or right, no1 currs.

But yeah, advocating for high immigration from islamic countries is just stupid if you want a functioning, accepting society; as is flying the flag for things like hijabs.

[bots]

Gay people aren’t even really on tv and if they are you can’t tell or they conform the stereotype

Tho there may be truth in the food thing, that one chemical that apparently 88% of teenagers had in them that mimicked eastrogen in the body and was linked to prostate cancer. Tho homosexuality is documented in nature and in history too so I doubt it has that much to do with chemicals (just eat well, kids! The distance food companies will go to ensure maximum profit at the expense of your health!)

That's not really accurate is it :laugh:

The performing arts area probably has the highest proportion of gay people across any vocation

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Nature shouldnt be categorised into right or wrong or normal and not normal and it can't be, it's called diversity. Is a blue flower right and a yellow flower wrong?

Nature produced left and right handed people, red haired, blonde, brunette .... all different and all equally correct

[Marches]

That's not really accurate is it :laugh:

The performing arts area probably has the highest proportion of gay people across any vocation

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Nature shouldnt be categorised into right or wrong or normal and not normal and it can't be, it's called diversity. Is a blue flower right and a yellow flower wrong?

Nature produced left and right handed people, red haired, blonde, brunette .... all different and all equally correct

The actors or directors might be gay but the roles themselves rarely include gay people idk this is coming from a gay person that watches a LOT of tv

Tho I ageee with the rest of your post

[GoldHeart]

I'm all for tolerance and letting other people find what makes them happiest but demanding that society see them as normal (legalizing gay marriage, teaching it in schools, etc. etc.) is not going to make them any happier. To be honest, I feel that the majority of homosexuals are that way because of the hormones that were put in their food and water and that they consumed as kids. Maybe what they saw on the television played a role. :shrug:

You lost me at food & water manipulating people's sexuality and decisions :facepalm: . I was going to highlight some of your comment but I'll just talk about it . TV can influence people but surely you make your own mind up ? but I know what you're saying.

Food and drink CANNOT be that powerful, the most reaction you'd get from food is a sugar rush or hyperactive behavior . Or frequent trips to the dentist due to tooth decay , or other health problems .

I agree with some of what you're saying, and I do feel we live in a very PC culture where you must accept everything & everyone no matter what.

And things can go too far , and I've seen a video from Canada where they're pushing agenda's so much so that it's more like a brain washing cult rather than just accepting people .

And people are being bullied into conforming to these aggressive ways .
Common sense tells you that if you shove something down people's throats they will only dislike it more and it will upset them .

And that goes for extreme vegans who guilt trip meat eaters into thinking they're murders , not all vegans behave that way but there's some angry crazy vegans out there :bored: .

I hate radical thoughts .

[LemonJam]

Don't feed the troll guys and gals. Only someone truly stupid could think that way

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't feed the troll guys and gals. Only someone truly stupid could think that way

Insulting a forum member is hardly the way forward now is it..

:facepalm:

[LemonJam]

Not really a forum member as much as a troll but ok

[Northern Monkey]

I agree with you on the ‘progressive’ left.More regressive than anything.

Not on homosexuality though.If you look throughout history you’ll see that it is normal.
It’s been documented in ancient Greece(spartans were pretty well known for it),Ancient Rome,India,Samurai in Japan and possibly ancient Egypt.I’d bet it’s been around since the dawn of mankind.
Imo it’s just natures way of trying to keep the population down.Although it hasn’t really worked.

[Shaun]

guys he's fighting the PC culture let him be

[montblanc]

How could they decry oppression of women but embrace the hijab as a symbol of feminism?

religious tolerance

[Oliver_W]

religious tolerance

Tolerance would be "they wear the hijab, and that's fine." Trying to make out the hijab is actually empowering is just barmy.

[montblanc]

Tolerance would be "they wear the hijab, and that's fine." Trying to make out the hijab is actually empowering is just barmy.

there isn't a set bracket for empowerment

liberation lies in choice

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just look at Oxfam

[Marches]

there isn't a set bracket for empowerment

liberation lies in choice

Empowerment is only an argument when it suits a narrative, right?

And it’s not like most of these women are forced to wear hijabs or anything or the religion they follow doesn’t respect women

Hmm

[montblanc]

Empowerment is only an argument when it suits a narrative, right?

And it’s not like most of these women are forced to wear hijabs or anything or the religion they follow doesn’t respect women

Hmm

a lot of women wear their hijab by choice actually

[Crimson Dynamo]

a lot of women wear their hijab by choice actually

Really, what evidence do you have to support such a theory?

[user104658]

Really, what evidence do you have to support such a theory?Probably about as much as anyone has to support the theory that most are forced to wear it...

[bots]

i would have thought the majority wear it out of habit

[Cherie]

religious tolerance

Religion is only tolerated in certain circumstances, look at Anne Widdecombe as a case in point

[Brillopad]

there isn't a set bracket for empowerment

liberation lies in choice

Like people actually believe it is usually by choice. And the world is square. It’s called turning a blind eye for convenience.

[Northern Monkey]

i would have thought the majority wear it out of habit

Abit like a nun?

[Liberty4eva]

guys he's fighting the PC culture let him be

Thank you. :smug:

[user104658]

Abit like a nun?Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame...

[Brillopad]

Thank you. :smug:

He is not agreeing with you - but many don’t agree with him.

[GoldHeart]

Thank you. :smug:

Tbh you're way off on some points but I agree PC culture has gone too far .

[Tozzie]

For years I couldn't understand so called "progressives". How could they decry oppression of women but embrace the hijab as a symbol of feminism? Why do they use the argument it's the woman's body on abortion but insist "grid girls" don't have the right to use their body to do their job while leaving the female porn stars employed? Why do they insist on more "diversity" for every European country on earth but never mention bringing more diversity to non-European countries? Why do they want, more and more, to tell kids that there are 40 genders, that it's normal to be a homosexual, etc. etc?

Those are some examples of many. These actions are hard to understand but I have a theory that seems to explain everything: They are obsessed with degeneracy in every form. They force it on other people to make them feel empowered.

I guess this is more of a statement of my belief than a topic of discussion but I had to vent a little. I feel better now. :hee:

All this goes through my mind every day

[Tozzie]

Also on the topic of homosexuality I don’t see how you see that as degressive. The amount of people who are primarily gay are hugely outnumbered and sure in the most literal sense it’s ‘not normal’ and optimal since you can’t reproduce ect but what do you propose we do about it? Why not let these people live in society as normal people? Conversion therapy has proven not to work, being gay isn’t a choice so if it were to be glorified it doesn’t do anything to people’s sexuality

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

[user104658]

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.1) That's not actually realistic

2) If it was, why would it necessarily be a problem?

3) Given that we're hurtling towards a global population crisis, it would probably be a good thing if it WAS true...

4) ... But it isn't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

lol

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[MB.]

I'm all for tolerance and letting other people find what makes them happiest but demanding that society see them as normal (legalizing gay marriage, teaching it in schools, etc. etc.) is not going to make them any happier. To be honest, I feel that the majority of homosexuals are that way because of the hormones that were put in their food and water and that they consumed as kids. Maybe what they saw on the television played a role. :shrug:

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

...how is this website still free

[Tozzie]

1) That's not actually realistic

2) If it was, why would it necessarily be a problem?

3) Given that we're hurtling towards a global population crisis, it would probably be a good thing if it WAS true...

4) ... But it isn't.

I didn't say it would be a problem?

[Tozzie]

...how is this website still free

So rude. I have a right to have my view just as you are.

[Oliver_W]

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

There are more and more people as time goes by, including gays. Even though there are more LGBT than there used to be, they're still outnumbered many times by those who aren't LGBT.

[Tozzie]

There are more and more people as time goes by, including gays. Even though there are more LGBT than there used to be, they're still outnumbered many times by those normal people.

Whats normal?

[MB.]

So rude. I have a right to have my view just as you are.

You have a right to your view, but as far as I'm concerned, views like "being gay isn't normal and is a result of your diet" and "I think gays will multiply, outnumber straight people and take over the earth" deserve ridicule

Source: a gay person who didn't get gay by drinking gay water as a child and who has no plans to spawn millions of gay babies just to stick it to the heteros

[user104658]

didn't get gay by drinking gay water as a child and who has no plans to spawn millions of gay babies just to stick it to the heteros

Can this really be considered actually gay then, though? Half hearted attempt really...

[Niamh.]

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

1) That's not actually realistic

2) If it was, why would it necessarily be a problem?

3) Given that we're hurtling towards a global population crisis, it would probably be a good thing if it WAS true...

4) ... But it isn't.

What TS said really but like why would anyone be bothered if they were "outnumbered" by gays?? Are they planning on enslaving all us straights or what :laugh:

[Jamie89]

If anything, the number of people who come out might increase slightly (it's a small percentage of people that are gay and a far smaller percentage who never come out), and if that's the case then good! It doesn't mean there are actually more gay people. (I think if anything though it would be the number of Bi people that come out that would increase rather than gay people). And even hypothetically if the gays were to take over (:fc:) we can still reproduce (and want to just as much as any straight people)

[Jamie89]

What TS said really but like why would anyone be bothered if they were "outnumbered" by gays?? Are they planning on enslaving all us straights or what :laugh:

(Don't tell her, gays)
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[Withano]

There are more and more gay people as time goes by, eventually it feels like the heterosexual will perhaps be outnumbered. This is how I see it.

:joker: i love that youre probably being serious

[Tozzie]

You have a right to your view, but as far as I'm concerned, views like "being gay isn't normal and is a result of your diet" and "I think gays will multiply, outnumber straight people and take over the earth" deserve ridicule

Source: a gay person who didn't get gay by drinking gay water as a child and who has no plans to spawn millions of gay babies just to stick it to the heteros

I never said anything about taking over the earth don't be putting words in my mouth. Also don't be ridiculous, I don't think gays 'got' gay by drinking gay water, I have no idea why people are either born gay or heterosexual, just know they are. I'm making an observation of how I am noticing that there are many more gay people as there were in my younger years.
You have often in the past jumped on my posts and try ridicule what i have said you need to learn to tolerate people better and realise that not everyone thinks like you do. Oh and I couldn't give a stuff what someones sexuality is as long as they are decent law abiding people that will do me, you see, we are all just that, PEOPLE.

[Jamie89]

I never said anything about taking over the earth don't be putting words in my mouth. Also don't be ridiculous, I don't think gays 'got' gay by drinking gay water, I have no idea why people are either born gay or heterosexual, just know they are. I'm making an observation of how I am noticing that there are many more gay people as there were in my younger years.
You have often in the past jumped on my posts and try ridicule what i have said you need to learn to tolerate people better and realise that not everyone thinks like you do. Oh and I couldn't give a stuff what someones sexuality is as long as they are decent law abiding people that will do me, you see, we are all just that, PEOPLE.

Do you not think it's more to do with people being more comfortable in coming out though Tozzie, and also discussing their sexuality, whereas before it was much more difficult for people? And also more representation of gay people in media etc... rather than there actually being more gay people?

[Niamh.]

Do you not think it's more to do with people being more comfortable in coming out though Tozzie, and also discussing their sexuality, whereas before it was much more difficult for people? And also more representation of gay people in media etc... rather than there actually being more gay people?

Considering it was actually illegal to be gay in the not too distant past I'm willing to bet that is correct

[Tozzie]

Do you not think it's more to do with people being more comfortable in coming out though Tozzie, and also discussing their sexuality, whereas before it was much more difficult for people? And also more representation of gay people in media etc... rather than there actually being more gay people?

I don't know Jamie, perhaps. My husbands uncle was a gay man who sadly kept his sexuality a secret until shortly before he died which I found very sad, he must have thought his sexuality wouldn't be accepted by us and that hurts because he was still Uncle Tommy no matter what his sexuality, we loved him.

[Jamie89]

Considering it was actually illegal to be gay in the not too distant past I'm willing to bet that is correct

Exactly. I find it impossible to believe that the numbers of people actually being gay (not just coming out) could fluctuate because of social influence... the whole 'promoting gayness' thing for example seems nonsensical to me. We'd see dramatic shifts in the numbers of gay people over time and across different cultures if that were the case and it just isn't (never mind the fact that everyone gay/bi/straight just knows that their sexuality isn't chosen anyway - so the people who make arguments like that must know that too (unless they're saying they chose to be straight).

[Jamie89]

I don't know Jamie, perhaps. My husbands uncle was a gay man who sadly kept his sexuality a secret until shortly before he died which I found very sad, he must have thought his sexuality wouldn't be accepted by us and that hurts because he was still Uncle Tommy no matter what his sexuality, we loved him.

Yeah that is really sad, I think a lot of people would have been in similar situations to him too. I know someone in his mid 70''s who's gay and only recently came out to his friends, it was a different time back when he was younger.

[Tozzie]

Exactly. I find it impossible to believe that the numbers of people actually being gay (not just coming out) could fluctuate because of social influence... the whole 'promoting gayness' thing for example seems nonsensical to me. We'd see dramatic shifts in the numbers of gay people over time and across different cultures if that were the case and it just isn't (never mind the fact that everyone gay/bi/straight just knows that their sexuality isn't chosen anyway - so the people who make arguments like that must know that too (unless they're saying they chose to be straight).

Todays society is trying to tell us we can choose our sex relating to a person who does not identify themselves as having a fixed gender. I can't get my head round that. :shrug:

[Jamie89]

Todays society is trying to tell us we can choose our sex relating to a person who does not identify themselves as having a fixed gender. I can't get my head round that. :shrug:

Do you mean like gender fluidity? I think with something like that noone is really saying they are choosing their biological sex, but they see gender as being different to sex and believe they can cross between both genders (I think, tbh I don't fully understand everything to do with that either, but it seems to be more about gender expression, rather than actually choosing what sex to be).