Transgender Woman Breast Feeds Baby

[jaxie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43071901

Saw this in the news and thought it was worth discussion. I'm quite concerned about the use of drugs and what effect they could have on the baby. Plus the hormone replacement therapy this person has already been on for 6 years. It sounds a bit like experimenting on the baby and I'm not in favour of that without lots of studies to show its safe.

I'd also like to know more about the vitamins and nutrients they tell us is in breast milk and why breast is best and whether they are present in the milk produced. Does the baby still get that or is it just basic nutrition? :shrug:

"The 30-year-old wanted to breastfeed after her pregnant partner said she did not want to do it herself, according to the Transgender Health journal.
She was able to breastfeed after taking a course of drugs and breast pumping, the US case report said."

[Vicky.]

Oh its so ridiculous. Have been discussing this elsewhere. This is totally done for validation of the transwoman, not for the good of the baby. I really do not think breast milk produced by a male person with such a huge cocktail of drugs should be done, at least not without research. The medical 'professionals' involved in this should be ashamed.

Meanwhile, breastfeeding support for actual women is near non-existent.

[jaxie]

Oh its so ridiculous. Have been discussing this elsewhere. This is totally done for validation of the transwoman, not for the good of the baby. I really do not think breast milk produced by a male person with such a huge cocktail of drugs should be done, at least not without research. The medical 'professionals' involved in this should be ashamed.

Meanwhile, breastfeeding support for actual women is near non-existent.

That this was done more for the ego/validation of the trans person rather than the benefit of the baby was my instinct too. I was very concerned about the drug element.

Even what you eat can effect baby when you are breast feeding.

[Cherie]

Given you have to be careful what you eat and drink when breastfeeding, this is really off, this is someone who puts their needs before the health of the child

[Crimson Dynamo]

poor kid

[Withano]

It is so difficult to get ethical approval in research studies involving infants, that I'd imagine the risks were suspected to be minimal, but there isn't even a title to this project yet so I doubt theres enough evidence either way (then again it would have been terminated long ago if there was the slightest ounce of harm, so its probably going better than you think... guess we'll have to wait til he publishes his work to find out).

[Alf]

We used to have nuthouses to put these kind of people in. Now a lot of them are given jobs teaching our children.

[Vicky.]

That this was done more for the ego/validation of the trans person rather than the benefit of the baby was my instinct too. I was very concerned about the drug element.

Even what you eat can effect baby when you are breast feeding.

I know domperidone is apparently safe, as I used that when breastfeeding my first child (after disastrous breastfeeding 'support' where I was basically bullied into formula feeding when in hospital) but the rest of the drugs..a bit suspect tbh. No way has 'male breastfeeding' been studied enough to prove its safe and actually beneficial. Mens bodies just are not meant to breastfeed. Hell, I had to stop my antidepressants when BFing as apparently those could harm my child. We should not be funding male breastfeeding IMO and should be giving more support to women who want to breastfeed.

This has been done solely for the transwoman. That much is quite obvious.

[Rob!]

I didn't even realise this was possible

[Vicky.]

Case report - http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2017.0044

[Ramsay]

hahaha what aload of ****

[Tozzie]

It is not natural for a man to breastfeed!! Why the hell are they doing this. There are plenty of women willing to express milk for babies, no need for this at all which could quite possibly be putting a baby at risk. Madness, but then the whole world has gone ruddy mad so I don't know why I'm surprised.
who will take a guess at 'whatever next'

[Gstar]

Oh its so ridiculous. Have been discussing this elsewhere. This is totally done for validation of the transwoman, not for the good of the baby. I really do not think breast milk produced by a male person with such a huge cocktail of drugs should be done, at least not without research. The medical 'professionals' involved in this should be ashamed.

Meanwhile, breastfeeding support for actual women is near non-existent.

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[GoldHeart]

I didn't even realise this was possible

Me neither , and I agree what people are saying about her being selfish for her own validation.

The health of the baby is important and that should come first, if a woman can't drink alcohol or sniff coke while breastfeeding then why is this acceptable?! :nono: .

[Jordan.]

https://m.popkey.co/b8faca/YRqK3.gif

[Maru]

People are so self-centered now and we just indulge them.

[Jamie89]

According to the article, the drugs she was put on in order to be able to breastfeed are the same ones that women are given who have adopted babies or had them via surrogates and would otherwise be unable to breastfeed, so I'm not sure why there'd be concerns about the drugs, unless I'm missing something. I agree though that it's more about her than her baby's needs, but then lots of mothers decide to breastfeed or decide not to breastfeed for their own personal reasons, so as long as the baby isn't actually being harmed and is healthy I don't see why that would be such a big issue.

[Maru]

According to the article, the drugs she was put on in order to be able to breastfeed are the same ones that women are given who have adopted babies or had them via surrogates and would otherwise be unable to breastfeed, so I'm not sure why there'd be concerns about the drugs, unless I'm missing something. I agree though that it's more about her than her baby's needs, but then lots of mothers decide to breastfeed or decide not to breastfeed for their own personal reasons, so as long as the baby isn't actually being harmed and is healthy I don't see why that would be such a big issue.

I think it's more the issue it's the "because we can" mentality rather than encouraging the one who actually gave birth to breastfeed the child. It's always better the child is breastfed without any sort of medications in our system. They may technically be safe (and even that can change with research), but the milk is always better from a mother who has not been medicated prior or during.

[Jamie89]

I think it's more the issue it's the "because we can" mentality rather than encouraging the one who actually gave birth to breastfeed the child. It's always better the child is breastfed without any sort of medications in our system. They may technically be safe (and even that can change with research), but the milk is always better from a mother who has not been medicated prior or during.

Apparently the mother didn't want to breastfeed, I'm not sure what normally happens, if doctors would intervene and try and encourage them to, and if they did or not in this situation, it doesn't go into it, but if they did and she still chose not to there's not really a lot that can be done about that?

[hijaxers]

Oh its so ridiculous. Have been discussing this elsewhere. This is totally done for validation of the transwoman, not for the good of the baby. I really do not think breast milk produced by a male person with such a huge cocktail of drugs should be done, at least not without research. The medical 'professionals' involved in this should be ashamed.

Meanwhile, breastfeeding support for actual women is near non-existent.

This is quite shocking ! This is a childs life being put in danger What just to prove a point. Madness and its going way too far.

[Vicky.]

There is not just the domperidone. Thats safe and given to mothers to help with supply, I was on that. Its the other drugs he will be on. If you are not meant to take any drugs at all when BFing (I was told paracetmol only..besides the domperidone) then this is wrong on so many level as he wil be on homrones, anti androgens and such too. There appears to have been no research into if 'male breast milk' is even suitable for a baby, nor has any thought gone into if the cocktail of drugs this person is on is harmful.

Plus its all about validation for the transwoman. Not to do with the baby. And thats ****ing wrong. We should not experiment on babies in this way just to make a male feel more 'like a woman'.

[Toy Soldier]

I do agree that it's taking a pretty big gamble with the health of an infant and probably isn't the BEST idea...

... However, I have to admit I find the fact that it's physically possible really quite fascinating, in purely scientific terms.

[Maru]

Apparently the mother didn't want to breastfeed, I'm not sure what normally happens, if doctors would intervene and try and encourage them to, and if they did or not in this situation, it doesn't go into it, but if they did and she still chose not to there's not really a lot that can be done about that?

If I told my husband I didn't want to breastfeed and asked him if he could take some hormones for me, that wouldn't go very well. :laugh: I would have serious guilt as a mother if I didn't, so I can't understand not doing it for your child when you are able... just seems like a dubious decision on both ends.

We can keep people who are on vent and brain-dead alive indefinitely using medications, so there's no reason we can't manage to do a fair bit of medical magic in many other ways... but it doesn't make it the best idea sometimes. Some doctors I think like to do things just to push the envelope just a little bit further...

[Vicky.]

We can keep people who are on vent and brain-dead alive indefinitely using medications, so there's no reason we can't manage to do a fair bit of medical magic in many other ways... but it doesn't make it the best idea sometimes. Some doctors I think like to do things just to push the envelope just a little bit further...

Just because we can do something, does not mean that we should.

Basically experimenting on children so grown males can feel better about themselves is disgusting IMO.

[Maru]

Just because we can do something, does not mean that we should.

Basically experimenting on children so grown males can feel better about themselves is disgusting IMO.

I see no lies :laugh:

[Tozzie]

Just because we can do something, does not mean that we should.

Basically experimenting on children so grown males can feel better about themselves is disgusting IMO.

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[smudgie]

:nono: no, just no.
Is the transitioned woman still taking hormone pills or medication of any other sort.
Even a basic salad can give a breastfed baby the runs, never mind god knows what chemical pills can do not only now but long term.

[Northern Monkey]

The world’s gone insane.I hope ‘she’ shaved her nips beforehand

[Jessica.]

I don't think there's anything wrong with her feeding a baby if she can. A lot of people don't even try and we don't judge them. Why should we judge someone for nourishing a baby in the same way it has been done forever? Yeah, she needs some help to produce the milk, but so do a lot of women. Babies are pumped with female hormones in the womb and I'm sure this woman doesn't take more than a woman would produce herself. I'm sure there's more to be learned about the whole process but I doubt this person would want to harm the baby in any way.

[Ammi]

...I’m a bit on the fence with this...it doesn’t sit right that any study should be done..(..I believe this is a ‘first’ atm and who knows if it’s something which all transgender male to female will be able to do in the future...)...which could potentially cause health risks to a baby, I mean it won’t be until the child grows through life that these things can be properly assessed...but then, there always has to be ‘firsts’ though in any potential advancement ...like the first successful trangendering or first IVF baby which reached full term pregnancy...all of these things involve the giving of medicines and hormones that wouldn’t be thought of as ‘natural’...in the past, IVF treatments had much resistance also because many felt it was ‘tampering’ with nature etc if a female was unable to conceive without medical advancement...so hmmm, this is a tricky one, I think...

[Livia]

I couldn't resist...

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[Kazanne]

It's all so unnatural imo,we are doing these things and not caring about our future generation just to make this person feel more like a woman, what next ? it's all getting so stupid and dangerous,will we ever stop ruining things and tryng to change what mother nature intended? ,we are so greedy and self entitalled we wont be happy until we have gone past the point of no return,it's pathetic.

[Kizzy]

It's not unheard of...


'a dairy cow can be given reproductive hormones and prescribed antibiotics by a vet to ensure she is kept in a condition to produce an unnatural amount of milk. Under normal circumstances, she would generally only have a maximum of two litres of milk in her udder at any one time, but rapacious farmers may force her to carry 20 litres or more. Her udder becomes so heavy that it makes her lame and she often develops an agonising infection called mastitis. The strain this puts on her body means she is exhausted by the age of five. Soon, her milk yield will no longer be considered profitable. Or she might simply collapse under the agony of it all. Either way, she will be dragged off by a tractor, squeezed into a cramped truck, and driven to the slaughterhouse, to be killed and turned into burgers or baby food. Her throat slit after five sad and torturous years – under natural circumstances she could have lived to 25.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/dairy-scary-public-farming-calves-pens-alternatives

[Brillopad]

Disgraceful. If the transgender considers her own needs before that of the baby she is not fit to be a mother. It is all about her playing at being a mother. The baby's needs are far more important.

[Kizzy]

It would have been easier al round for the birth mum to express and the other to do the feeds :/
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