Brendan Cox quits charities, admits inappropriate behaviour

[MTVN]

The husband of murdered MP Jo Cox, Brendan Cox, has quit two charities he set up in her memory after allegations of sexual assault were made public.

Mr Cox denied assaulting a woman in her 30s at Harvard University in 2015 - but admitted to "inappropriate" behaviour while working for Save the Children.

He has left posts at More in Common and the Jo Cox Foundation a week after the*Mail on Sunday*published the claims.

Mr Cox apologised for the "hurt and offence" caused by his past behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43101434

Tbh I've always found this man quite unlikeable in how he used every opportunity to appear in the media as the voice of the righteous, been rumours about his behaviour for a long time and was always clear he wasn't the squeaky clean person he portrayed himself as

[Marches]

Ew

[Saph]

who calls their baby Brendan no offence

[Alf]

Apparently everyone in Westminster and the media knew about him.

[Oliver_W]

Wait, you mean The Most Moral Man Ever(tm) was up to no good?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sex Pest

[Oliver_W]

Maybe he'll go work for Oxfam.

[jaxie]

It's the kids I feel sorry for. What an example.

[GoldHeart]

who calls their baby Brendan no offence

There's loads of people called Brendan what about Brendan Cole Strictly , his name has nothing to do with it so let's not be silly :sleep: .

However after the horrible death of his poor wife I am taken aback by this, remember feeling so sorry for him . And he was campaigning and trying to keep her work alive . And he was always in the media trying to stay positive and have hope:shocked: .

Now he's been revealed as some sexual harasser , when he should of been helping charities instead of helping himself .

[Kizzy]

Wait, you mean The Most Moral Man Ever(tm) was up to no good?!

Could I have an explanation of why you have concluded the husband of a murdered MP is the 'most moral man ever'?

[GoldHeart]

Could I have an explanation of why you have concluded the husband of a murdered MP is the 'most moral man ever'?

Because we all had sympathy for him, nobody expected a saint but it's shocking to hear this about him after he was supposed to be setting up charities in his late wife's name .

We judged him by his media appearances and assumed he was a decent guy ,and thought it was nice that he had hope and was campaigning and keeping Jo's memory alive . You don't exactly expect him to be sexually harassing people :facepalm:.

The whole Oxfam scandal has opened Pandora's box ,and people won't look at charities the same way again it's tainted them .

[Kizzy]

Because we all had sympathy for him, nobody expected a saint but it's shocking to hear this about him after he was supposed to be setting up charities in his late wife's name .

We judged him by his media appearances and assumed he was a decent guy ,and thought it was nice that he had hope and was campaigning and keeping Jo's memory alive . You don't exactly expect him to be sexually harassing people :facepalm:.

The whole Oxfam scandal has opened Pandora's box ,and people won't look at charities the same way again it's tainted them .

The allegation was prior to his the death of his wife, how does it affect his work with her charity foundation now?

[GoldHeart]

The allegation was prior to his the death of his wife, how does it affect his work with her charity foundation now?

Well it would appear we're only finding out now !?? :shrug: that's why it affects it . I didn't know any of this until now.

Obviously you're going to look at someone differently if you find out something bad . But all we're being told according to that article is he "over stepped the line" and resigned from the charity because of it .

[Greg!]

Feel sorry for her kids, their mum's dead and their dad's a perv :(

[Kizzy]

Well it would appear we're only finding out now !?? :shrug: that's why it affects it . I didn't know any of this until now.

Obviously you're going to look at someone differently if you find out something bad . But all we're being told according to that article is he "over stepped the line" and resigned from the charity because of it .

Yes he touched someone inappropriately, that could be a hand on a knee or a uninvited hug, I'm not downplaying it, that said I think their is a danger that because of the current media climate it could be seen as being blow out of proportion.

[GoldHeart]

Yes he touched someone inappropriately, that could be a hand on a knee or a uninvited hug, I'm not downplaying it, that said I think their is a danger that because of the current media climate it could be seen as being blow out of proportion.

Well this is the problem with sexual harassment allegations , they're not telling us exactly what he's done but he himself is admitting he overstepped the line . so it doesn't look good for him .

I get the impression it's more than an "uninvited hug" or a "hand on the knee" , but who knows . As we all know things can be taken the wrong way :rolleyes: . Maybe he didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering them ? .

In the news there's been so many allegations about people in the public eye, and some are true but others are blown out of proportion , it's got to the stage where if a guy said something as a joke towards a woman 30 years ago he will now be in trouble for "sexual harassment" :bored:.

[thesheriff443]

He apologised and stepped down, thats a lot more than most do, we will have to see if any other accusations follow.

[MTVN]

Well this is the problem with sexual harassment allegations , they're not telling us exactly what he's done but he himself is admitting he overstepped the line . so it doesn't look good for him .

I get the impression it's more than an "uninvited hug" or a "hand on the knee" , but who knows . As we all know things can be taken the wrong way :rolleyes: . Maybe he didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering them ? .

In the news there's been so many allegations about people in the public eye, and some are true but others are blown out of proportion , it's got to the stage where if a guy said something as a joke towards a woman 30 years ago he will now be in trouble for "sexual harassment" :bored:.

It is claimed that Mr Cox drunkenly harassed a female employee at the charity in London, forcing her against a wall outside a bar, holding her by the throat and telling her: 'I want to ******* you.'

The incident led to him being forced to leave the charity in 2015. Save The Children's chief executive Justin Forsyth, a close friend of Mr Cox and former aide to Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown, resigned four months later.

Astonishingly, one month after Mr Cox left the charity, a senior female US Government official told police Mr Cox had carried out a similar alleged assault on her at Harvard University in America – as this newspaper revealed last week. The woman was unaware of the Save The Children incident at the time.
...

Some colleagues say he had a reputation for pestering women for sex. 'It wasn't comfortable being on duty alone with him,' said one.

'He would buy women drinks, his hands were everywhere. Everyone knew it was going on, but he was best friends with the boss.'

Matters came to a head after a Save The Children drinks party in July 2015. 'Brendan was dancing provocatively with a woman who told him to leave her alone,' said one source. 'She joined a group of women who went on to a bar. Brendan followed them. He got her outside, pushed her against a wall and tried to force himself on her.'
...

This newspaper revealed last week how a woman, whose identity we withheld, complained to US police, accusing Mr Cox of sexual assault while there.

By her account, he cornered her in a bar, plied her with drink, 'grabbed her by the hips, pulled her hair, forced his thumb into her mouth in a sexual way' and later sent her obscene text messages. Police filed her complaint as 'assault and battery', but she told them not to take further action because she 'feared repercussions'.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404241/Jo-Coxs-husband-admits-sex-pest-resigns.html

[bots]

Sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant fella

[Alf]

It is claimed that Mr Cox drunkenly harassed a female employee at the charity in London, forcing her against a wall outside a bar, holding her by the throat and telling her: 'I want to ******* you.'

The incident led to him being forced to leave the charity in 2015. Save The Children's chief executive Justin Forsyth, a close friend of Mr Cox and former aide to Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown, resigned four months later.

Astonishingly, one month after Mr Cox left the charity, a senior female US Government official told police Mr Cox had carried out a similar alleged assault on her at Harvard University in America – as this newspaper revealed last week. The woman was unaware of the Save The Children incident at the time.
...

Some colleagues say he had a reputation for pestering women for sex. 'It wasn't comfortable being on duty alone with him,' said one.

'He would buy women drinks, his hands were everywhere. Everyone knew it was going on, but he was best friends with the boss.'

Matters came to a head after a Save The Children drinks party in July 2015. 'Brendan was dancing provocatively with a woman who told him to leave her alone,' said one source. 'She joined a group of women who went on to a bar. Brendan followed them. He got her outside, pushed her against a wall and tried to force himself on her.'
...

This newspaper revealed last week how a woman, whose identity we withheld, complained to US police, accusing Mr Cox of sexual assault while there.

By her account, he cornered her in a bar, plied her with drink, 'grabbed her by the hips, pulled her hair, forced his thumb into her mouth in a sexual way' and later sent her obscene text messages. Police filed her complaint as 'assault and battery', but she told them not to take further action because she 'feared repercussions'.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404241/Jo-Coxs-husband-admits-sex-pest-resigns.htmlThe dirty devil.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely his wife must have know he was a sex pest?

vile

[smudgie]

What a shame, I am surprised more wasn’t made of it at the time, him being married to a politician.

[Oliver_W]

What a shame, I am surprised more wasn’t made of it at the time, him being married to a politician.

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

[Cherie]

His surname is apt

[Kizzy]

'he cornered her in a bar, plied her with drink, 'grabbed her by the hips, pulled her hair, forced his thumb into her mouth in a sexual way' and later sent her obscene text messages.'

This sounds like a line from 50 shades... :/

[Jack_]

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

This is just crass

[Kizzy]

I'm going to do something I really don't like ... to prove a point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298572/New-charity-scandal-Save-Children-executive-quits-women-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Now ask yourself, why has this been revisited now?
Why at a time when public confidence in charity work and in particular those associated with foreign aid and now these that deal with stemming the rise of the far right in they UK are they being 'exposed'?

Hmmm His boss went at the same time, strangely they were both Labour supporters fighting against govt cuts...

'Backed by Mr Cox, Mr Forsyth ordered a highly emotive multi-million pound TV advertising blitz. The ‘It Shouldn’t Happen Here’ campaign claimed 1.6 million British children were growing up in ‘severe poverty’. Tory MPs said it was a ‘crude political campaign against Government cuts.’

[Cherie]

he wasn't sacked he voluntarily stepped down, I know what that tells me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm going to do something I really don't like ... to prove a point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298572/New-charity-scandal-Save-Children-executive-quits-women-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Now ask yourself, why has this been revisited now?
Why at a time when public confidence in charity work and in particular those associated with foreign aid and now these that deal with stemming the rise of the far right in they UK are they being 'exposed'?

Hmmm His boss went at the same time, strangely they were both Labour supporters fighting against govt cuts...

'Backed by Mr Cox, Mr Forsyth ordered a highly emotive multi-million pound TV advertising blitz. The ‘It Shouldn’t Happen Here’ campaign claimed 1.6 million British children were growing up in ‘severe poverty’. Tory MPs said it was a ‘crude political campaign against Government cuts.’

or he is a sex pest

[Kizzy]

The allegations made in 2015 were addressed and reported on, my post was to query why they had been reported on...again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The allegations made in 2015 were addressed and reported on, my post was to query why they had been reported on...again.

The father-of-two said some of the allegations against him were a "massive exaggeration", but conceded that he had at times "overstepped the line".

In 2015 the Mail on Sunday reported that Brendan Cox had stepped down from his position as chief strategist at Save the Children over allegations of "inappropriate behaviour" which he at the time denied.

More details of Mr Cox's alleged behaviour emerged after Oxfam issued its own apology over a sex scandal involving aid workers in Haiti.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43101434

[Kizzy]

The father-of-two said some of the allegations against him were a "massive exaggeration", but conceded that he had at times "overstepped the line".

In 2015 the Mail on Sunday reported that Brendan Cox had stepped down from his position as chief strategist at Save the Children over allegations of "inappropriate behaviour" which he at the time denied.

More details of Mr Cox's alleged behaviour emerged after Oxfam issued its own apology over a sex scandal involving aid workers in Haiti.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43101434

There aren't any more details... they are the same details.
There is nothing in the 2018 report that isn't in the 2015 report.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There aren't any more details... they are the same details.
There is nothing in the 2018 report that isn't in the 2015 report.

How do you know that?

And why did it take 3 years for this Brendan chap to resign?

[bots]

How do you know that?

And why did it take 3 years for this Brendan chap to resign?

it's all part of this all to common theme these days that anyone associated with the labour party couldn't ever have possibly done something wrong

[Cherie]

I would imagine it has been revisited given recent events? Weinstein, MPs of both parties being accused of sexual harassment, Oxfam, it's a news story that is not going to go away

[Kizzy]

How do you know that?

And why did it take 3 years for this Brendan chap to resign?

I have read both articles, you however obviously haven't.

[Kizzy]

it's all part of this all to common theme these days that anyone associated with the labour party couldn't ever have possibly done something wrong

What has he done?...

[Kizzy]

I would imagine it has been revisited given recent events? Weinstein, MPs of both parties being accused of sexual harassment, Oxfam, it's a news story that is not going to go away

So a 2yr old story is revisited based on an unsubstantiated accusation that overshadows the other story in the media which was the 'paradise club' expose where women were routinely groped during the event at which they were working...
Does that not smack of a double standard to you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have read both articles, you however obviously haven't.

I read the BBC article and it said new info had arisen. YOu obviously missed that one and dont seem to be able to state why he took 3 years to resign (or should I say be advised to resign)

I also expect the Mail have more dirt on him as they will want to release more this Sunday

[Cherie]

So a 2yr old story is revisited based on an unsubstantiated accusation that overshadows the other story in the media which was the 'paradise club' expose where women were routinely groped during the event at which they were working...
Does that not smack of a double standard to you?

Has an allegation been made against a particular person who attended?

[Crimson Dynamo]

plus he stepped down before the full investigation could be completed, wonder why...

[Kizzy]

I read the BBC article and it said new info had arisen. YOu obviously missed that one and dont seem to be able to state why he took 3 years to resign (or should I say be advised to resign)

I also expect the Mail have more dirt on him as they will want to release more this Sunday

Took 3yrs to resign from where?

[Kizzy]

Has an allegation been made against a particular person who attended?

I don't know the ins and outs of the case Cherie, we know what the media reports as with this issue that isn't very much, but the reactions are very different.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The husband of the murdered MP Jo Cox has resigned from the two charities he set up in her memory after being publicly accused of sexual assault.

Brendan Cox has stepped down from his posts at More in Common and the Jo Cox Foundation after allegations, printed in the Mail on Sunday, that he had assaulted a woman in her 30s at Harvard University in 2015. Police filed her complaint as assault and battery but action against him was dropped.

Cox denied the claims in a statement issued on Saturday but admitted making mistakes in a previous role with the charity Save the Children.

Source: Guardian


I cant believe he set up a charity for his dead wife after this?

[Kizzy]

plus he stepped down before the full investigation could be completed, wonder why...

An investigation could still be done in his absence, him not being there is not an issue. Should it be warranted then that would take place regardless.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An investigation could still be done in his absence, him not being there is not an issue. Should it be warranted then that would take place regardless.

he is bang to rights and a bloody disgrace bearing in mind his wife and he is a father


what a douche

[Kizzy]

he is bag to rights and a bloody disgrace bearing in mind his wife and he is a father


what a douche

ok

[GoldHeart]

It is claimed that Mr Cox drunkenly harassed a female employee at the charity in London, forcing her against a wall outside a bar, holding her by the throat and telling her: 'I want to ******* you.'

The incident led to him being forced to leave the charity in 2015. Save The Children's chief executive Justin Forsyth, a close friend of Mr Cox and former aide to Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown, resigned four months later.

Astonishingly, one month after Mr Cox left the charity, a senior female US Government official told police Mr Cox had carried out a similar alleged assault on her at Harvard University in America – as this newspaper revealed last week. The woman was unaware of the Save The Children incident at the time.
...

Some colleagues say he had a reputation for pestering women for sex. 'It wasn't comfortable being on duty alone with him,' said one.

'He would buy women drinks, his hands were everywhere. Everyone knew it was going on, but he was best friends with the boss.'

Matters came to a head after a Save The Children drinks party in July 2015. 'Brendan was dancing provocatively with a woman who told him to leave her alone,' said one source. 'She joined a group of women who went on to a bar. Brendan followed them. He got her outside, pushed her against a wall and tried to force himself on her.'
...

This newspaper revealed last week how a woman, whose identity we withheld, complained to US police, accusing Mr Cox of sexual assault while there.

By her account, he cornered her in a bar, plied her with drink, 'grabbed her by the hips, pulled her hair, forced his thumb into her mouth in a sexual way' and later sent her obscene text messages. Police filed her complaint as 'assault and battery', but she told them not to take further action because she 'feared repercussions'.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404241/Jo-Coxs-husband-admits-sex-pest-resigns.html

See the article I read had none of this information :shocked: :facepalm:, I knew it was far serious that some people thought .

He only denied 1 incident as well,which means he pretty much did all of this still . I don't think his wife would of known . The fact he's admitted he's overstepped the line just shows he's guilty .

[bots]

See the article I read had none of this information :shocked: :facepalm:, I knew it was far serious that some people thought .

He only denied 1 incident as well,which means he pretty much did all of this still . I don't think his wife would of known . The fact he's admitted he's overstepped the line just shows he's guilty .

i think his wife was alive when he first resigned from that charity. So it's not something brought on by grief

[GoldHeart]

i think his wife was alive when he first resigned from that charity. So it's not something brought on by grief

Makes you wonder if she knew :think:, I wonder if she was just loyal to him and loved him and didn't want to believe anything bad about him poor woman and poor kids .

[Vicky.]

The amount of people minimizing and defending this behavior is insane. Labour MPs saying on twitter 'good on him for admitting it' and such :umm2: Well yes, I guess its good in a way that he is taking responsibility, but it hardly makes him a saint given he is admitting gross behaviour.

https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/965243533048406020

[Crimson Dynamo]

people have invested so much sainthood in jo cox its hard now to realise that her husband was a wanker i guess is what is going on?

[GoldHeart]

As i've said before nobody expected Brendan Cox to be a saint , but we all felt sympathy for the devastating brutal loss of his wife . We also assumed he was a decent guy , come on how could any of us expect this from him ?? :shocked:.

But just shows none of us actually know these people or what's really going on behind the scenes . Yes hes admitted to it but he's still in the wrong .

[Alf]

The amount of people minimizing and defending this behavior is insane. Labour MPs saying on twitter 'good on him for admitting it' and such :umm2: Well yes, I guess its good in a way that he is taking responsibility, but it hardly makes him a saint given he is admitting gross behaviour.

https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/965243533048406020The same people cyber hunted Toby Young into resigning, over some text messages only a few months back. Shows you just how much of a game it is to them.

[Alf]

He was obviously used for the remain campaign. Grieving widower of remain politician tragically murdered.

[GoldHeart]

He was obviously used for the remain campaign. Grieving widower of remain politician tragically murdered.

Well it didn't make a difference , we still left :bored:.

[MB.]

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

Congrats on managing to find a take as gross as this one, I guess

[Vicky.]

The same people cyber hunted Toby Young into resigning, over some text messages only a few months back. Shows you just how much of a game it is to them.

Well quite.

I don't think issues like this should be made into some ridiculous political point scoring exercise. but it seems these days everything must be made into that. I find it quite pathetic tbh.

[Kizzy]

The difference of course being they were actual messages and not an allegation he wrote a message, there is a difference.

Maybe it would've been better for him if he had gone through the appropriate disciplinary procedures in 2015, even if it would have been politically embarrassing for his wife, it would have prevented all this did he/ didn't he today?

[Beso]

Luckily he is not donald trump, therefore the left will shut up and sweep it under the carpet rather than climb on a padastool to begin the rancid hate mongering of the individual.

[Beso]

'he cornered her in a bar, plied her with drink, 'grabbed her by the hips, pulled her hair, forced his thumb into her mouth in a sexual way' and later sent her obscene text messages.'

This sounds like a line from 50 shades... :/

Only its not.

[Kizzy]

Only its not.

What is it then, look at that rationally what is really happening in that scenario?

He saw her in a bar
He bought her a drink
They danced
They kissed
There was some sexual contact
They exchanged phone numbers

[Beso]

What is it then, look at that rationally what is really happening in that scenario?

He saw her in a bar
He bought her a drink
They danced
They kissed
There was some sexual contact
They exchanged phone numbers

Its a shame only one side wanted all that.:nono:

[Kizzy]

Its a shame only one side wanted all that.:nono:

Ok

[Beso]

Ok

Sorry, im not really following...


Are you being so dismissive because you think its ok to be a sex pest on woman on a night out when she has clearly told you NO.

[MTVN]

What is it then, look at that rationally what is really happening in that scenario?

He saw her in a bar
He bought her a drink
They danced
They kissed
There was some sexual contact
They exchanged phone numbers

Sounds very much like you are trying to justify his behaviour and minimise the seriousness of these allegations :think:

[joeysteele]

No one I can see is even attempting to brush anything under the carpet.
He also is not even a Labour MP or even a potential electoral candidate.
This is his personal life and he is wrong as to his behaviour,he has said so,he has stepped down from the charity posts.
While commendable in doing so,his admission of overstepping things with other Women is then fact and he has done wrong.

All this however has nothing to do with his Wife who lost her life by being so brutally murdered as she has.

The only people making issues of this are those casting unnecessary slurs and dragging her onto this.
Someone described her as being portrayed as the second Jesus.
Shocking and in the worst taste.

Then its tried to accuse the left of being inappropriate.
I really despair and get more sickened on here each day that passes now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one I can see is even attempting to brush anything under the carpet.
He also is not even a Labour MP or even a potential electoral candidate.
This is his personal life and he is wrong as to his behaviour,he has said so,he has stepped down from the charity posts.
While commendable in doing so,his admission of overstepping things with other Women is then fact and he has done wrong.

All this however has nothing to do with his Wife who lost her life by being so brutally murdered as she has.

The only people making issues of this are those casting unnecessary slurs and dragging her onto this.
Someone described her as being portrayed as the second Jesus.
Shocking and in the worst taste.

Then its tried to accuse the left of being inappropriate.
I really despair and get more sickened on here each day that passes now.


No one is forcing you to stay, sounds like you could do with a long break...

[Kizzy]

Sounds very much like you are trying to justify his behaviour and minimise the seriousness of these allegations :think:

Nope I'm explaining another way to look at some very inventive journalism, please don't accuse me of anything MTVN.

[Kizzy]

No one I can see is even attempting to brush anything under the carpet.
He also is not even a Labour MP or even a potential electoral candidate.
This is his personal life and he is wrong as to his behaviour,he has said so,he has stepped down from the charity posts.
While commendable in doing so,his admission of overstepping things with other Women is then fact and he has done wrong.

All this however has nothing to do with his Wife who lost her life by being so brutally murdered as she has.

The only people making issues of this are those casting unnecessary slurs and dragging her onto this.
Someone described her as being portrayed as the second Jesus.
Shocking and in the worst taste.

Then its tried to accuse the left of being inappropriate.
I really despair and get more sickened on here each day that passes now.

Ah I'm ignoring the pitchfork waving now, it's shocking isn't it one unsubstantiated accusation has effectively brought down 2 charities and further decimated a family already reeling, nice job gutter press.

What's in todays news?...Damian ( I haven't done anything wrong!) Green still in denial following an inquiry by the propriety and ethics team :/
Double standards.

[joeysteele]

No one is forcing you to stay, sounds like you could do with a long break...

I'm well aware 'no one' is forcing me to stay on here.

However and greatly thankfully I don't need nor want, any sarcastic or otherwise advice from 'you' whatsoever.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm well aware 'no one' is forcing me to stay on here.

However and greatly thankfully I don't need nor want, any sarcastic or otherwise advice from 'you' whatsoever.

No need to snap

[GoldHeart]

Nope I'm explaining another way to look at some very inventive journalism, please don't accuse me of anything MTVN.

Okay Kizzy to play devils advocate ,we all know men can be in a tricky situation if they get flirtatious with women they fancy . A woman won't face the same repercussions if a man isn't interested in them.

But Brendan has admitted he overstepped the line and clearly he harassed some women, who he wasn't even dating and he clearly didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering .

[Kizzy]

Okay Kizzy to play devils advocate ,we all know men can be in a tricky situation if they get flirtatious with women they fancy . A woman won't face the same repercussions if a man isn't interested in them.

But Brendan has admitted he overstepped the line and clearly he harassed some women, who he wasn't even dating and he clearly didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering .

Not true at all in any organisation there is the same procedure in relation to equality and diversity as men :/

We don't know what happened, as there was no inquiry.. You've just cobbled that together from bits reported in the media.
He admitted his behaviour towards one woman was inappropriate that's all, and he stepped down at the time.

He has admitted his inappropriate behaviour publically made a conscious effort to show that it was a past mistake as noted by his friends, family, colleagues and MPs.

I don't know what is required here ... for him to wear a millstone of shame for the next 10yrs?
No! you can't run your dead wifes memorial any longer!!... You're not WORTHY! :/

[bots]

No one I can see is even attempting to brush anything under the carpet.
He also is not even a Labour MP or even a potential electoral candidate.
This is his personal life and he is wrong as to his behaviour,he has said so,he has stepped down from the charity posts.
While commendable in doing so,his admission of overstepping things with other Women is then fact and he has done wrong.

All this however has nothing to do with his Wife who lost her life by being so brutally murdered as she has.

The only people making issues of this are those casting unnecessary slurs and dragging her onto this.
Someone described her as being portrayed as the second Jesus.
Shocking and in the worst taste.

Then its tried to accuse the left of being inappropriate.
I really despair and get more sickened on here each day that passes now.

You really don't think Kizzy is making excuses for his behaviour?

I haven't seen a single comment casting aspersions at his wife, other than to say that when she was murdered she didn't suddenly become a saint, which is factually correct unless you know otherwise?

[GoldHeart]

Not true at all in any organisation there is the same procedure in relation to equality and diversity as men :/

We don't know what happened, as there was no inquiry.. You've just cobbled that together from bits reported in the media.
He admitted his behaviour towards one woman was inappropriate that's all, and he stepped down at the time.

He has admitted his inappropriate behaviour publically made a conscious effort to show that it was a past mistake as noted by his friends, family, colleagues and MPs.

I don't know what is required here ... for him to wear a millstone of shame for the next 10yrs?
No! you can't run your dead wifes memorial any longer!!... You're not WORTHY! :/

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame :facepalm:, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

[Niamh.]

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame :facepalm:, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

No where near as much as men do though

[bots]

No where near as much as men do though

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

[GoldHeart]

No where near as much as men do though

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert :bored: .

[Beso]

No where near as much as men do though

You ever been to wales?

[Kizzy]

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame :facepalm:, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

[Niamh.]

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert :bored: .

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

[Beso]

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

Did you say the same when trump was accused?

[Kizzy]

Did you say the same when trump was accused?

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/


not sure why you are defending this sleaze bag?

[Kizzy]

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

Yes it happens...what's your point in relation to this or were you just stating the obvious?

[Beso]

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

Sticking your thumb in someones mouth whilst grabbing at their tits and ass is also sexual assault so im calling blatant hypocricy on you.

[Kizzy]

not sure why you are defending this sleaze bag?

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

[Kizzy]

Sticking your thumb in someones mouth whilst grabbing at their tits and ass is also sexual assault so im calling blatant hypocricy on you.

Show me the quote of the person in question stating that is what happened, or him admitting he did those things specifically.

[GoldHeart]

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" :bored: it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " :facepalm: .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

Maybe your explanation is flawed as quite a few people are bewildered by your bizarre stance?

:shrug:

[GoldHeart]

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

So Kizzy do you want a full confession by Brendan on tape ?? :facepalm: .
maybe he has admitted to loads of things but outside the media .

[Beso]

Show me the quote of the person in question stating that is what happened, or him admitting he did those things specifically.

Whats the point, your biased opinion would be the same, pure and simply for his labour connection.

[Beso]

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

He isnt on tape saying he grabs pussys at all..thats a blatant lie.:nono:

[jet]

he wasn't sacked he voluntarily stepped down, I know what that tells me.

Yes, me too - that he's a dirty pig.

[GoldHeart]

Yes, me too - that he's a dirty pig.

It clearly shows he's guilty either way , but I think some people want concrete tape confessions :rolleyes: .

[joeysteele]

You really don't think Kizzy is making excuses for his behaviour?

I haven't seen a single comment casting aspersions at his wife, other than to say that when she was murdered she didn't suddenly become a saint, which is factually correct unless you know otherwise?

No I don't.

I think Kizzy is pointing out some hypocrisy here.
That Cox has said he has overstepped the mark but he has also strenuously denied, more serious allegations.
While some others who were forced to leave their positions on the other political side,who got nothing like the acidic comments Cox is getting.
Yet they are still denying doing anything wrong.

It is not actually my place or yours in fact,to talk about other members to another member.
You have chosen so to do with me so I trust Kizzy will now not mind when I clearly state,I think for her views,the vitriol she gets here when she posts,is beyond a joke now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh dear..

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/save-the-children-dismissed-staff-over-sexual-harassment-allegations-charity-boss-confirms-a3771331.html

[MTVN]

Don't seem to remember this level of understanding being shown to Michael Fallon :think:

[Niamh.]

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" :bored: it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " :facepalm: .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.I've never seen a case yet where someone's taken to court for being flirtatious

[GoldHeart]

I've never seen a case yet where someone's taken to court for being flirtatious

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex :facepalm: .

[jet]

No I don't.

I think Kizzy is pointing out some hypocrisy here.
That Cox has said he has overstepped the mark but he has also strenuously denied, more serious allegations.
While some others who were forced to leave their positions on the other political side,who got nothing like the acidic comments Cox is getting.
Yet they are still denying doing anything wrong.

It is not actually my place or yours in fact,to talk about other members to another member.
You have chosen so to do with me so I trust Kizzy will now not mind when I clearly state,I think for her views,the vitriol she gets here when she posts,is beyond a joke now.

If one continuously defends and makes excuses for unsavoury characters, then comeback should be expected and taken on the chin.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If one continuously defends and makes excuses for unsavoury characters, then comeback should be expected and taken on the chin.

:clap1:

[GoldHeart]

If one continuously defends and makes excuses for unsavoury characters, then comeback should be expected and taken on the chin.

Yeah pretty much this .
And even if you play devil's Advocate Brendan still left the charity so clearly something happened he's NOT PROUD OF hence he still did something wrong .

[Vicky.]

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex :facepalm: .

Depends what you mean by seduce, tbh. Flirting and asking someone out is fine. 'Seducing' by randomly grabbing their tit or telling them you would 'smash their backdoors in' whilst you have them cornered and unable to back away or other such rubbish...not fine.

So much gross behaviour is normalized. It can be a bit of a shock to actually think back over it. Throughout my adult life I have had perverts randomly touching me intimately a LOT of times, and I am pretty average looking too so I dread to think what goodlooking people get.

I would obviously not report stuff such as a guy rubbing his hardon on me 15 years back, but this does not mean I was any less sexually assaulted :shrug: He could argue that it was a seduction technique too..I guess. And no doubt would, while people make excuses for such behaviour and say its nothing...and that people talking about stuff like this makes 'genuine' victims be taken less seriously, or whatever.

[Northern Monkey]

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex :facepalm: .

I get what you’re saying.With the Westminster stuff there was apparently a list of MP’s who had supposedly sexually harassed and assaulted people but there was stuff like knee touching and asking a woman out to the cinema by text getting conflated with the more serious assaults.Every man accused of any of it may aswell have been a rapist.

The problem with all this MeToo stuff is weeding out the serious crimes from the bull**** and the real ones from the false.It turned into a real witch hunt with people losing jobs for minor stuff and also an MP committing suicide.

This charity stuff seems like much of it is more serious though like the Hollywood Weinstein scandal.
With this Brendan Cox who knows if he just overstepped the mark a little and was too pushy or actually assaulted women.I suppose the courts will have to determine that.

[Vicky.]

I get what you’re saying.With the Westminster stuff there was apparently a list of MP’s who had supposedly sexually harassed and assaulted people but there was stuff like knee touching and asking a woman out to the cinema by text getting conflated with the more serious assaults.


Yeah that list was quite ridiculous. Some of the people on it had simply had affairs ffs. Thats not sexual harassment, its a consenting relationship between two adults. yes it may be 'immoral' or whatever in some peoples eyes, but its not actually illegal :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Depends what you mean by seduce, tbh. Flirting and asking someone out is fine. 'Seducing' by randomly grabbing their tit or telling them you would 'smash their backdoors in' whilst you have them cornered and unable to back away or other such rubbish...not fine.

So much gross behaviour is normalized. It can be a bit of a shock to actually think back over it. Throughout my adult life I have had perverts randomly touching me intimately a LOT of times, and I am pretty average looking too so I dread to think what goodlooking people get.

I would obviously not report stuff such as a guy rubbing his hardon on me 15 years back, but this does not mean I was any less sexually assaulted :shrug: He could argue that it was a seduction technique too..I guess. And no doubt would, while people make excuses for such behaviour and say its nothing...and that people talking about stuff like this makes 'genuine' victims be taken less seriously, or whatever.
Yeah i used to get that stuff alot from women back in the partying days.Crotch getting grabbed and squeezed,arse getting grabbed regularly.They’d come in the blokes toilets and look at your D while you were pissing or even try and ‘hold it for you’.
Never really thought of it as getting assaulted back then.Was worst when it’s an older woman and you’re only 17 at the time.
Seems like it was kind of normalised then.

[GoldHeart]

Depends what you mean by seduce, tbh. Flirting and asking someone out is fine. 'Seducing' by randomly grabbing their tit or telling them you would 'smash their backdoors in' whilst you have them cornered and unable to back away or other such rubbish...not fine.

So much gross behaviour is normalized. It can be a bit of a shock to actually think back over it. Throughout my adult life I have had perverts randomly touching me intimately a LOT of times, and I am pretty average looking too so I dread to think what goodlooking people get.

I would obviously not report stuff such as a guy rubbing his hardon on me 15 years back, but this does not mean I was any less sexually assaulted :shrug: He could argue that it was a seduction technique too..I guess. And no doubt would, while people make excuses for such behaviour and say its nothing...and that people talking about stuff like this makes 'genuine' victims be taken less seriously, or whatever.

Ok maybe i didn't make myself clear enough Vicky , by seduce i meant for e.g if you're in a bar and a random guy asks if you want to sleep with him or he uses a dirty chat up line or something .
Plenty of women who aren't interested would either laugh out of disbelief or as a defence mechanism and walk away from him , or would tell him "in your dreams" kind of style and tell him to F OFF basically .

I think we all know if ANYONE randomly grabs a stranger sexually /inappropriately without their permission out the blue then it's sexual assault/harassment :nono: .
Looks have nothing to do with it , alcohol can play a part in it or the person might just be an arrogant predator who thinks he/ she can have anyone they want .

What you experienced sounds vulgar and i would 100 % understand that being reported or the guy getting slapped across the face :umm2: .
Anything that physical and uncomfortable is wrong.


But the problem we have today is if a guy said something rude to any of us years ago or as a joke , people now pipe up and say we were sexually harassed . When really we just ignored it or carried on with our lives :shrug:.
I feel like it's diluting genuine abuse and harassment that probably goes unreported . I know abuse still get's reported though .

A man forcing himself on you or grabbing you isn't the same as asking you back to his hotel room and you declining and him walking away it just isn't the same .

[Vicky.]

Yeah i used to get that stuff alot from women back in the partying days.Crotch getting grabbed and squeezed,arse getting grabbed regularly.They’d come in the blokes toilets and look at your D while you were pissing or even try and ‘hold it for you’.
Never really thought of it as getting assaulted back then.Was worst when it’s an older woman and you’re only 17 at the time.
Seems like it was kind of normalised then.

Clubs are ****ing horrendous. I never thought much of it, as I say..back when I was going to them as it was pretty much assumed that you would be groped and it was part and parcel of going out.

It seems to be changing now, luckily. Though there is resistance to the change. Generally from the perverts in the first place who will insist that they are doing nothing wrong and its just 'banter' or whatever.

[Vicky.]

But the problem we have today is if a guy said something rude to any of us years ago or as a joke , people now pipe up and say we were sexually harassed . When really we just ignored it or carried on with our lives :shrug:.
I feel like it's diluting genuine abuse and harassment that probably goes unreported . I know abuse still get's reported though .

A man forcing himself on you or grabbing you isn't the same as asking you back to his hotel room and you declining and him walking away it just isn't the same .
Which people? :shrug:

I read hundreds and hundreds of the metoo things and not one was about someone telling a dirty joke.

Also all the times I was actually sexually assaulted, and when I was actually raped also, I ignored it (as much as I could) and just carried on with my life.

Honestly, this 'you cannot even tell a girl she is pretty anymore', or 'we need a written contract before having sex' type outrage is just silly stuff stirred up by the likes of the daily mail. Asking someone out is not sexual harassment. Repeatedly doing so, or making lewd comments when you know the person is uncomfortable, is.

I don't see how talking about 'low level' harassment/assault dilutes cases of worse assault/harassment either. And I would actually say, the more people talk about their own bad experiences, the more victims may come forward, as they realise they are not alone.

[GoldHeart]

Which people? :shrug:

I read hundreds and hundreds of the metoo things and not one was about someone telling a dirty joke.

Also all the times I was actually sexually assaulted, and when I was actually raped also, I ignored it (as much as I could) and just carried on with my life.

Honestly, this 'you cannot even tell a girl she is pretty anymore', or 'we need a written contract before having sex' type outrage is just silly stuff stirred up by the likes of the daily mail. Asking someone out is not sexual harassment. Repeatedly doing so, or making lewd comments when you know the person is uncomfortable, is.

I don't see how talking about 'low level' harassment/assault dilutes cases of worse assault/harassment either. And I would actually say, the more people talk about their own bad experiences, the more victims may come forward, as they realise they are not alone.

I'm not taking away the fact that genuine abuse is out there , i'm just saying now when someone says they've been "sexually harassed" it can be anything from a rude comment to asking them back to their place . It's not as clear cut as just someone grabbing you or forcing themselves on you.

What you experienced is assault there's no question about it .

What Northern Monkey said about the happenings in clubs doesn't surprise me 1 bit :bored: , i even watched a documentary about 2 toilet attendants in a London night club and this drunken woman kept walking into the men's toilet and the toilet attendant kept telling her to leave as she shouldn't be there and she kept ignoring him.

Other way round if a man kept wondering into the female toilets he'd get screamed at , slapped or kicked out the club/reported .

Yes it's good to raise awareness of sexual abuse etc , but i think the message get's lost when people who got asked out by someone they find unattractive now is considered "harassment" :facepalm: .

[GoldHeart]

I get what you’re saying.With the Westminster stuff there was apparently a list of MP’s who had supposedly sexually harassed and assaulted people but there was stuff like knee touching and asking a woman out to the cinema by text getting conflated with the more serious assaults.Every man accused of any of it may aswell have been a rapist.

The problem with all this MeToo stuff is weeding out the serious crimes from the bull**** and the real ones from the false.It turned into a real witch hunt with people losing jobs for minor stuff and also an MP committing suicide.

This charity stuff seems like much of it is more serious though like the Hollywood Weinstein scandal.
With this Brendan Cox who knows if he just overstepped the mark a little and was too pushy or actually assaulted women.I suppose the courts will have to determine that.

Thankyou!! :clap1: this is exactly what i've been saying .
It's become ridiculous , and sadly real crimes will be either missed or just treated as "ohhh here we go another allegation" .

[Kizzy]

Maybe your explanation is flawed as quite a few people are bewildered by your bizarre stance?

:shrug:

Is this you saying I'm wrong because JUST because I don't think the same as other people... LOL

[Kizzy]

So Kizzy do you want a full confession by Brendan on tape ?? :facepalm: .
maybe he has admitted to loads of things but outside the media .

No. that was a post about trump, you are just further confusing yourself now. That had nothing to do with this situation whatsoever.
All these buts and maybes are pointless.

[Kizzy]

Whats the point, your biased opinion would be the same, pure and simply for his labour connection.

That's your opinion, I disagree.

[Kizzy]

You really don't think Kizzy is making excuses for his behaviour?

I haven't seen a single comment casting aspersions at his wife, other than to say that when she was murdered she didn't suddenly become a saint, which is factually correct unless you know otherwise?

What behaviour?... I'm attempting to maintain some perspective here is all.

The guy is being demonised here ...for what?

Joey is referring to a silly trolling comment at the beginning of the thread in relation to Jo Cox I think.

[Northern Monkey]

Clubs are ****ing horrendous. I never thought much of it, as I say..back when I was going to them as it was pretty much assumed that you would be groped and it was part and parcel of going out.

It seems to be changing now, luckily. Though there is resistance to the change. Generally from the perverts in the first place who will insist that they are doing nothing wrong and its just 'banter' or whatever.

Yeah.I think this is one reason it irks me when i see men getting all the blame and pretty much demonised.The hypocrisy of it.
Logically you’d think men were much worse due to testosterone but from what I remember the women were just as bad.
Obviously generally men are bigger and stronger but that doesn’t mean women aren’t just as bad.
The charity stuff i can believe it was men taking advantage of vulnerable females and it looks bad.Also Yes Weinstein was obviously a nasty bastard.
I just think it’s gone too far with women being seen as whiter than white and men are natural born predators etc.

[Northern Monkey]

Thankyou!! :clap1: this is exactly what i've been saying .
It's become ridiculous , and sadly real crimes will be either missed or just treated as "ohhh here we go another allegation" .

Yeah that is the danger of all this stuff getting conflated.It will dilute real predatory behaviour.

[joeysteele]

If one continuously defends and makes excuses for unsavoury characters, then comeback should be expected and taken on the chin.

Have you maybe a contribution to the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation.
Or are you just joining others in a roll against a particular member.

[Kizzy]

Thankyou!! :clap1: this is exactly what i've been saying .
It's become ridiculous , and sadly real crimes will be either missed or just treated as "ohhh here we go another allegation" .

Isn't that exactly what has happened here? ... It's a witch hunt as there is no evidence or statement to suggest he did anything and yet as NM says here we are ruining the guys life as well as his charity.

I noted too after vickys heartfelt confession that she too has been a victim of some pretty disgusting serious abuse the canned response from you was ...it happens to men too!
Aside from the 'westminster stuff' the 'inappropriate touching' of knees and such it's not so serious if form an MP as a charity employee then... do we have a sliding scale of who is deemed capable of inappropriate behaviour, and the palaces of westminster don't have a HR department anyway?

Should this Knee touching be a reference to Damian Green and Kate Maltby please be aware he is as I stated earlier refusing to acknowledge what he did, and to be clear that is NOT why he lost his job that was for breaking the ministerial code for a totally unrelated issue.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah.I think this is one reason it irks me when i see men getting all the blame and pretty much demonised.The hypocrisy of it.
Logically you’d think men were much worse due to testosterone but from what I remember the women were just as bad.
Obviously generally men are bigger and stronger but that doesn’t mean women aren’t just as bad.
The charity stuff i can believe it was men taking advantage of vulnerable females and it looks bad.Also Yes Weinstein was obviously a nasty bastard.
I just think it’s gone too far with women being seen as whiter than white and men are natural born predators etc.

Didn't they even release a movie recently at the cinema's of a older woman having relationships with young guys. If it was about an older man with younger girls people would call it predatory :facepalm: :bored: .

It's called film stars don't die in Liverpool , i've never heard of the actress the story is about but i read something that described her as a female woody allen as she apparently took the virginity of her step son :umm2:

I read a review online where they thought it was bad timing because of the whole harvey weinstein scandal .


You won't get men reporting sexual harassment from women , some men are even too embarrassed to report harassment from other men . I hate hypocrisy aswell .

[GoldHeart]

Isn't that exactly what has happened here? ... It's a witch hunt as there is no evidence or statement to suggest he did anything and yet as NM says here we are ruining the guys life as well as his charity.

I noted too after vickys heartfelt confession that she too has been a victim of some pretty disgusting serious abuse the canned response from you was ...it happens to men too!
Aside from the 'westminster stuff' the 'inappropriate touching' of knees and such it's not so serious if form an MP as a charity employee then... do we have a sliding scale of who is deemed capable of inappropriate behaviour, and the palaces of westminster don't have a HR department anyway?

Should this Knee touching be a reference to Damian Green and Kate Maltby please be aware he is as I stated earlier refusing to acknowledge what he did, and to be clear that is NOT why he lost his job that was for breaking the ministerial code for a totally unrelated issue.

:shocked: What on earth are you trying to say exactly???, i told Vicky twice that what she experienced is 100 % sexual assault! and i called it vulgar aswell :nono: . I never once downplayed her distress or terrible experience .

Abuse is abuse and harassment is harassment whether at the hands of a man or woman .

[Kizzy]

Haha I love how this thread has flipped... Oh boo hoo us poor men!!!! hahahaha

[Kizzy]

:shocked: What on earth are you trying to say exactly???, i told Vicky twice that what she experienced is 100 % sexual assault! and i called it vulgar aswell :nono: . I never once downplayed her distress or terrible experience .

Abuse is abuse and harassment is harassment whether at the hands of a man or woman .

I'm just telling you how it looked to me, it looked and still looks like there is the suggestion that abuse is an equal 2 way street.

It isn't, female on male abuse exists, nobody has suggested it doesn't but I'm sorry there is no comparison. I just want to make that screamingly obvious.

[Vicky.]

Didn't they even release a movie recently at the cinema's of a older woman having relationships with young guys. If it was about an older man with younger girls people would call it predatory :facepalm: :bored: .



Erm, if it was about an older guy and a young girl, the girl would be accused of being a gold digger and the guy would be 'lucky' :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

I'm just telling you how it looked to me, it looked and still looks like there is the suggestion that abuse is an equal 2 way street.

It isn't, female on male abuse exists, nobody has suggested it doesn't but I'm sorry there is no comparison. I just want to make that screamingly obvious.

I think we all know majority of sexual assault claims are from female victims , nobody is denying that :facepalm: . There's no witch hunt mentality for Brendan Cox the guy admitted he did wrong. Do you want us to applaud him or something?? .

If you want to know what a witch hunt is then look at the way Aled Jones was treated and that doesn't sound like he ACTUALLY did anything wrong . Still don't know what he was accused of , text messaging or something :bored: .

[Kizzy]

Hey Lolita Hey!

[GoldHeart]

Erm, if it was about an older guy and a young girl, the girl would be accused of being a gold digger and the guy would be 'lucky' :suspect:

The man still get's called a pervert or a dirty old man , and the woman get's called Mrs Robinson or a cougar :sleep: .

[GoldHeart]

Hey Lolita Hey!

That movie is messed up

[Vicky.]

Yeah.I think this is one reason it irks me when i see men getting all the blame and pretty much demonised.The hypocrisy of it.
Logically you’d think men were much worse due to testosterone but from what I remember the women were just as bad.
Obviously generally men are bigger and stronger but that doesn’t mean women aren’t just as bad.


Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

[Kizzy]

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

Of course, did you ever doubt it wouldn't? :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I don't know much about this Aled Jones thing, looking it up now but the first few links are all about him issuing a 'grovelling apology' and admitting sexual harassment and saying he understands the victim/s was distressed by his behaviour. Looking more into it now, but again, it appears this was not nothing. Like in this Cox case.

Edit. LOL. A quote from one of the stories

The singer's mother-in-law, Elaine Fossett, has said he is incapable of sexual harassment.

The 74-year-old said: 'It is utterly, utterly appalling. A nicer, nicer guy you couldn’t wish to meet. He is totally incapable of sexual harassment.'


'Incapable' of sexual harassment ffs. Noone is incapable. Do these people think its only flat out monsters and dark alley rapists that behave inappropriately or something? And he is hardly likely to be behaving inappropriately towards his mother in law anyway..so this 'defence' is silly :D

[GoldHeart]

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

It's only been brought up because it's been mentioned that women in clubs are touchy feely just like the men , and i used it as an example because not many men would report it .

It's not taking away sexual assault done to females, plus females assault other females .

[Kizzy]

I think we all know majority of sexual assault claims are from female victims , nobody is denying that :facepalm: . There's no witch hunt mentality for Brendan Cox the guy admitted he did wrong. Do you want us to applaud him or something?? .

If you want to know what a witch hunt is then look at the way Aled Jones was treated and that doesn't sound like he ACTUALLY did anything wrong . Still don't know what he was accused of , text messaging or something :bored: .

He did yes, he admitted his errors and committed to change as stated by Jess Phillips and he is still being pilloried! He should just deny everything like Mr Green shouldn't he despite the inquiries and the victim statements... the media leave you alone then :/

I don't know about Aled... Can't have been that serious I haven't heard a thing about it.

[GoldHeart]

I don't know much about this Aled Jones thing, looking it up now but the first few links are all about him issuing a 'grovelling apology' and admitting sexual harassment and saying he understands the victim/s was distressed by his behaviour. Looking more into it now, but again, it appears this was not nothing. Like in this Cox case.

But i still don't understand what alleged "harassment" took place with Aled :conf: . The story sounded silly , and even if he's done nothing wrong he'd probably still apologise to be the bigger person .

[GoldHeart]

He did yes, he admitted his errors and committed to change as stated by Jess Phillips and he is still being pilloried! He should just deny everything like Mr Green shouldn't he despite the inquiries and the victim statements... the media leave you alone then :/

I don't know about Aled... Can't have been that serious I haven't heard a thing about it.

This thread is about Brendan and people will still debate about it , so although he's admitted to it that doesn't stop people talking about it on here :idc:.

[Vicky.]

But i still don't understand what alleged "harassment" took place with Aled :conf: . The story sounded silly , and even if he's done nothing wrong he'd probably still apologise to be the bigger person .

But then earlier about Cox

The fact he's admitted he's overstepped the line just shows he's guilty .

Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

[Kizzy]

Getting a little consistency round here... you must be walking in the aiiiiiirrrrrrrrr!!!! :joker:

[GoldHeart]

But then earlier about Cox



Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

I didn't contradict myself if that's what you're insinuating :suspect: . I'm saying the incident with Aled Jones still makes no sense to me :conf:, how do we know he didn't say sorry while still being innocent??? .

Brendan Cox has admitted it , and more details have come out about him . Whereas with Aled it's more like a silly rumour .

[Vicky.]

I didn't contradict myself if that's what you're insinuating :suspect: . I'm saying the incident with Aled Jones still makes no sense to me :conf:, how do we know he didn't say sorry while still being innocent??? .

Brendan Cox has admitted it , and more details have come out about him . Whereas with Aled it's more like a silly rumour .

They both admitted it.

[GoldHeart]

But then earlier about Cox



Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

Also i didn't know Aled jones "apologised" either , all i saw was an old article about it . I never saw anything else about him :conf::shrug: .

[Vicky.]

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

[GoldHeart]

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

I don't know much either :conf: , but from what i gathered it didn't sound as serious as the Brendan Cox incident .

But what about when people do nothing wrong but just to make peace they say "if i've offended you in anyway i'm sorry" and blah blah , but that doesn't necessarily mean they have ?. I didn't believe Aled did anything but who knows.

[jet]

Have you maybe a contribution to the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation.
Or are you just joining others in a roll against a particular member.

I replied to a comment you made about a particular member, not 'the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation'. If you don't want your comments commented upon, don't post them.
fyi, I had already contributed when I said he is a dirty pig. Succinctly put, imo.

[GoldHeart]

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

btw i agree that when you admit something or apologise you will be seen as guilty, it's like if you're on trial for something you may or may not of done in court and some people think by saying "guilty" (despite being innocent) is the best option to get a shorter sentence :facepalm: , i don't agree with this as i feel if you've done nothing wrong then you shouldn't have to "admit" .

But it's not always as black & white for some people , and some will take the blame for things they haven't done or they'll apologise for nothing :bored:.

[bots]

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

The Cox and Aled cases are quite different.

With Cox, there was a police reported incident in the USA
There was also an investigation by the charity, and he resigned before it came to a conclusion. Also, he has admitted wrong doing.

Aled has never been subject of a police investigation, was removed from tv rather than resigning, and has never admitted anything

[GoldHeart]

The Cox and Aled cases are quite different.

With Cox, there was a police reported incident in the USA
There was also an investigation by the charity, and he resigned before it came to a conclusion. Also, he has admitted wrong doing.

Aled has never been subject of a police investigation, was removed from tv rather than resigning, and has never admitted anything

This is what I thought as well . Its obvious Brendan's case is a lot more serious .

[joeysteele]

Aled Jones was in the end it appears termed inappropriate behaviour.
He apologised and it appears nothing more has come to fruition as to even more perhaps serious incidents.
It was stated by the BBC that his apology has been accepted and he will be returning to both his radio show and Songs of Praise.

As for Brendon Cox,he has stood down I understand for inappropriate behaviour but also as yet one or more serious allegations.
That may or may not have substance but he strenuously denies them.

As yet however nothing charge worthy or likely to end up in court is clearly evident,at this moment in time anyway.

So it would seem at present,similar to Aled's situation unless more eventually comes of Brendan Cox's situation.

[AnnieK]

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

[GoldHeart]

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

I understand what you're saying , but they'll always be that media culture when it's a public figure or someone we see on tv . That's just how it is .

Yeah there's not much mention of a police investigation but maybe the case isn't closed yet .

[MTVN]

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

[joeysteele]

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

Trial by media,far worse now than likely ever before,is a threat,in my view,to real law and justice in this Country now.

[bots]

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

What i find somewhat sinister in this is that after leaving one charity under a black cloud, what does Cox do when his wife dies? Associates himself with another couple of charities. Surely i'm not the only one that thinks it's just not right.

[Beso]

The guys a hypocritical ****ing creep...pawing and trying to get hus end away at charity jolies as his wife works endlesdly for the good of the country...then, then he has the audacity to play the doting, grieving hubby after her death...judging him by his scruples i would be having a close look at the accounts of this charity.

[Kizzy]

What i find somewhat sinister in this is that after leaving one charity under a black cloud, what does Cox do when his wife dies? Associates himself with another couple of charities. Surely i'm not the only one that thinks it's just not right.

Why, the allegations were due to a personal issue nothing to do with the charities?

[Ammi]

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning..:laugh:...that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

[Beso]

Why, the allegations were due to a personal issue nothing to do with the charities?

He was at a charity function..thats good enough.

[joeysteele]

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning..:laugh:...that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

Well I mentioned hypocrisy so will deal with that part.
When I was on the right or as I am now even on the left,I condemn no one or no politician,unless I know more of them and/ or have my own experience,for anything not proven but only alleged.

Once something illegal and serious is proven,that's a different matter,however I condemn no one for said serious accusations,right or left,no matter who they may be either.
I also never have done so either.

[Niamh.]

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think

[Crimson Dynamo]

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think

Could be a little of the religion thing going on where scumbags use the cloak of "respectability" to abuse

[Niamh.]

Could be a little of the religion thing going on where scumbags use the cloak of "respectability" to abuse

Yeah absolutely

[Kizzy]

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

It wasn't revealed today, he left at the same time 2015.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Mr Forsyth (Save the Children), who is now deputy executive director of Unicef in New York"

Yeah thats right he got another gig at another charity

oh and him and COx worked together for Gordon Brown...



you could not make this sh1t up


:skull:

[Kizzy]

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning..:laugh:...that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

The issue was brought into focus in 2015, when it was initially reported in the media.
In relation to the Oxfam scrutiny there was an investigation after reports to the charities regulator in 2011 when an investigation led to several people losing their posts, including the head of operations in Haiti.
the current CEO answering all the questions did not take up his post until 2013.
I don't understand your right/left leaning point, right leaning people are less likely to rely on evidence and more likely to believe 'facts' as they are presented in the media?

[Livia]

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

[Vicky.]

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers D: People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers D: People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Absolutely right in all that I'd say.

The slurs to Jo herself, and she isn't able to say anything herself after her shocking murder, are in my opinion anyway both cruel and unnecessary.

As you have pointed out the ways things can be concealed which can happen in families.
Even including when a parent abuses their children,it can often be the case the partner neither knew or suspected a thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And these two were advising Gordon Brown??

No wonder he ruined his legacy and made Labour unelectable

[Kizzy]

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

I should be surprised at this sickening troll like comment from you...Strangely I'm not.

[Jack_]

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

[joeysteele]

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

I actually think such comments take the forum to a low point very sadly.
I agree with every word you have said Jack_
They are really shocking.

[GoldHeart]

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers D: People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Yeah sadly this is reality,but who knows if Jo knew maybe she didn't believe it .

I know some people think somehow this is a witch Hunt which is ridiculous :facepalm:. We're all merely giving our opinions on this story.

We're not all going to agree ,but I wish there wasn't this guilt tripping going on over Jo's death . I for one even said how horrific her death was and had sympathy for her husband.

I even hoped after her shocking murder that BREXIT wouldn't happen,but that was just my political thought.

And the poor kids have no mother now ,and their dad has had this scandal to go through .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anything to focus away from the issue

And guess what?

No one is surprised

:idc:

[Livia]

I should be surprised at this sickening troll like comment from you...Strangely I'm not.

Sickening and troll like. Really? Not a slight overreaction from you?

[Livia]

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

If you find out that Lee Rigby's wife was a sex pest, crack on.

No one involved in the Brighton bombing has been elevated to the status of Jo Cox anyway.

It's a tragedy that she was murdered. It doesn't mean her husband can't be criticised!

[Crimson Dynamo]

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

[Twosugars]

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

But someone has:

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

[Beso]

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

A bit hard to do when every news item begins with "husband of murdered mp jo cox"

[Livia]

Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

[Twosugars]

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.
That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

[Twosugars]

A bit hard to do when every news item begins with "husband of murdered mp jo cox"

doesnt' mean we have to speculate she knew anything about his behaviour does it. And specifically, it doesn't mean we should assume she did know and use that assumption to cast doubts on her reputation, does it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

Both are implied conjecture and not posted as anything else

[Livia]

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

I'm allowed to presume. This is a debate forum not a court of law.

[Twosugars]

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

[Livia]

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Luckily for me my opinions don't live or die on whether or not you think they stand up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Cox's friend and pal of Gordon Brown; Justin Forsyth, has now just resigned at Unicef


:skull:

[smudgie]

So Cox's friend and pal of Gordon Brown; Justin Forsyth, has now just resigned at Unicef


:skull:

The plot thickens.
Charities must be a soft touch once they become too much of a business.

[bots]

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

So was she not married to the man? Not one person in this thread has said anything bad about the woman, unless it now has become a crime to be married to a sleaze ball? If it is, it's a new one on me

[joeysteele]

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Dead right and well said.

It's a disgrace people refer to Jo now in a derogatory fashion with Saint included.
It really is possibly the vilest and most unkind thing to enact,to someone deceased,who never thought herself a saint and only worked her hardest and fought for her constituents.
Her husbands wrongs are not hers at all.

You'll get nowhere with your efforts sadly as it seems at times immunity from probably just being rotten on here now exists.
I applaud yours and Jacks posts totally,they are the more refreshing to come across on this thread.

Brendan Cox has shown himself to be a disappointment and time will tell.how much.
His brutally murdered wife however has no part in this.
Just as all people deceased have no connection to wrongs individually done by others of their families.
It would be a sad world indeed if all spouses were held in any way responsible for what their partners did.

Really low to drag Jo into this at all in my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[Jack_]

If you find out that Lee Rigby's wife was a sex pest, crack on.

No one involved in the Brighton bombing has been elevated to the status of Jo Cox anyway.

It's a tragedy that she was murdered. It doesn't mean her husband can't be criticised!

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

Except they didn't, did they LT? The first and last posts here cast aspersions against the woman herself. And the other two are just pathetic.

Surely his wife must have know he was a sex pest?

vile

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

people have invested so much sainthood in jo cox its hard now to realise that her husband was a wanker i guess is what is going on?

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Now go bait someone else

[Twosugars]

So was she not married to the man? Not one person in this thread has said anything bad about the woman, unless it now has become a crime to be married to a sleaze ball? If it is, it's a new one on me
you're quoting me out of context. In my original post I quoted and highlighted a statement saying that she surely must have known about his behaviour. I objected to this type of speculation not to the fact she was his wife.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.



Except they didn't, did they LT? The first and last posts here cast aspersions against the woman herself. And the other two are just pathetic.









Now go bait someone else

As usual with yourself Jack you cant make a point without insulting members due to your very high opinion of yourself and you view, albeit often misguided

Just because a woman is dead does not mean one cannot talk about her or speculate about her, unless you know differently?


oh and i see that you and one other still hate this "cesspit" of a forum but cant stop posting in it?

Funny that, isnt it......:idc:

[Beso]

Oh im not banned.

[Jack_]

As usual with yourself Jack you cant make a point without insulting members due to your very high opinion of yourself and you view, albeit often misguided

Just because a woman is dead does not mean one cannot talk about her or speculate about her, unless you know differently?


oh and i see that you and one other still hate this "cesspit" of a forum but cant stop posting in it?

Funny that, isnt it......:idc:

I insulted no one.

It doesn't mean you can't, no, but to do so when they are NOT the subject of the story is insensitive and crass. But you know that already.

Yes LT, it is indeed funny that I'd like this section to return to the productive and constructive place it once was, rather than being filled with petty mudslinging, tit for tat, baiting and inflammatory comments. But again, you knew that already.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I insulted no one.

It doesn't mean you can't, no, but to do so when they are NOT the subject of the story is insensitive and crass. But you know that already.

Yes LT, it is indeed funny that I'd like this section to return to the productive and constructive place it once was, rather than being filled with petty mudslinging, tit for tat, baiting and inflammatory comments. But again, you knew that already.

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

[Twosugars]

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

how is speculating on Jo Cox on topic here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

how is speculating on Jo Cox on topic here?

she was married to the main subject and lived with him in 2015. She was a politician who spoke on topics like charity, overseas aid, sexism, sexual harassment..

do i need to go on?

[Twosugars]

she was married to the main subject and lived with him in 2015. She was a politician who spoke on topics like charity, overseas aid, sexism, sexual harassment..

do i need to go on?

And how can she be held accountable for his actions?

[Jack_]

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

Okay LT. Now who's the one being insulting?

I have no problem having constructive and civilised discussions with people I sometimes or regularly disagree with, I've had plenty in my time here with the likes of Kirk, Pyramid, Kizzy, Toy Soldier, Vicky and yes even Livia too. What I - and many others (as you well know, based on the recent multi-page threads about it) - dislike, is the hostile, antagonistic, petty baiting that has plagued this section for almost a year. And yes, I am guilty of partaking in it. That doesn't mean I enjoy it, or don't want it to change. The same applies to many other members.

I've never criticised the mods in this whole debacle so I'm not sure what your point is, in fact when asked I (and others) have tried to offer suggestions which could make their job easier. My issue is with the overall mentality and go-to attitude of many posters of all political persuasions in this section. It needs to change, and the kind of comments I highlighted were just one example.

Thinking it's crass to bring a murder victim into a discussion that isn't even about them isn't a 'lofty ideal' (whatever that even means, it's not the 90s), it's called not being morally bereft. A bit like when the friends and family of Big Brother housemates who are not appearing on the show are criticised and insulted when they are not responsible for the behaviour of their peer or relative. It's the same principle. But, again, you know that already - quite why I'm entertaining this is beyond me.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps since it seems LT can go around telling people to leave lately,he near told me to the other day too.
I and others should now just leave him and those who all applaud him and each other, to this forum now.
I've had personal insults and questioning of my personal life status too.
Nothing done.

If anyone on here did anything wrong in life,honestly they'd think it justifiable to bring into that wrong they did,their deceased partner or other members of their family.
I doubt that very much.

Know what,I don't care if I do get banned for this post I've been made to feel sick reading the vile aspersions to Jo.
As I said in 2016 when she was murdered,I assisted in leafleting and canvassing with her in the 2015 election.
She was one of the most thoughtful,fun loving,kindest people I came across.
This thread is rightly raised as to Brendon Cox,seeing her being dragged into it so cruelly brings shame,in my opinion,to the forum.
Very sad for me to see after near 8 years and near 30,000 posts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps since it seems LT can go around telling people to leave lately,he near told me to the other day too.
I and others should now just leave to him and those who all applaud him each other to this forum now.

If anyone on here did anything wrong in life,honestly they'd think it justifiable to bring into that wrong they did their deceased partner or other members of their family.
I doubt that very much.

Know what,I don't care if I do get banned for this post I've been made to feel sick reading the vile aspersions to Jo.
As I said in 2016 when she was murdered,I assisted in leafleting and canvassing with her in the 2015 election.
She was one of the most thoughtful,fun loving,kindest people I came across.
This thread is rightly raised as to Brendon Cox,seeing her being dragged into it so cruelly brings shame,in my opinion,to the forum.
Very sad for me to see after near 8 years and near 30,000 posts.

Its not about you son, although for some reason all you do it bring every post back to you and your life , and frankly your post is vague and makes little sense. Just post about the actual subject and you wont go far wrong.

if you dont like the subject, post elsewhere, its not rocket science.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps LT directing your advice to yourself could possibly be much more in order.
Also don't call me son either,I don't appreciate that at all.

[Twosugars]

Perhaps directing your advice to yourself could possibly be much more in order.
Also don't call me son either,I don't appreciate that at all.

hear hear!

[joeysteele]

hear hear!

Thanks Twosugars but please don't risk getting into bother for me.
I've just had enough of my integrity being questioned,my status questioned and personal insults.
Everyone has a breaking point,I've always tried to be fair and insult no one,all my time on here.
Doesn't work however it seems.

Anyway,back on the issue of Brendon Cox,he is the one in the wrong on this issue,no one else,not his family,Jo's family and certainly not his deceased wife Jo herself.
Which you also pointed out and got attacked for too.

That is sad to see absolutely.

[Kizzy]

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.





I'm not against criticism.. He has been rightly criticised in 2015 and now. What I don't agree with is the media circus, whipping people into a frenzy about something for which there is scant detail...leaving many to fill in the blanks with images of debauchery and abuse.

It's all fantasy :/

The bolded section I'm also going to take exception to as I feel that over recent months I've personally as well as seen left wing voices persecuted and effectively trolled on the forum.
Followed around the section and baited on certain topics, it's been freely commented on by a moderator it isn't simply my imaginings.

So no, I don't believe that there is a willingness for productive discourse or restoration, in fact the labelling, accusations, sniping and mocking towards myself personally has increased.

[Beso]

Yeah, ive been personally insulted in here for 9 yrs...whoopdeedoo.

[GoldHeart]

I don't understand the arguments, this thread is about Brendan Cox and we all have our opinions :facepalm:.

[joeysteele]

Yeah, ive been personally insulted in here for 9 yrs...whoopdeedoo.

So.
No one should have personal insults, no one should have their professional status or personal status questioned.
I for one have eventually got sick of it.
That's my right.

You it seems from what you say haven't got sick of it, that's your right..

In either case it shouldn't happen, whether people just lie down and let people continually get away with it or if the time comes for others, who decide enough is enough.

Anyway nothing gets done really even if reported so then options run out, so it's likely to give to some what they want in the end.
With the loss of more members and as to people looking in,loss of potential new ones.

[AnnieK]

This section has always been pretty toxic, there are very strong opinions voiced here. I only comment if its something I feel particularly strongly about because there is bound to be strong and vocal opposition here, sometimes I can be bothered, quite often I can't. There are big characters with big personalities. Its kind of sad when it gets personal because, I'm not ashamed to admit, that I have learnt a number of things from this section over the years and have been able to re think my views.on certain issues too. Members shouldnt feel they have to put up or shut up but also have to accept others opinions and views, whether they call them out on them or not.

This thread has become a bit of a mess....Brendan Cox has done wrong as he has admitted, whether he has offended before or since is conjecture and if allegations need investigating I am sure the police are up to the job. Dont really know what else to say on it

[Beso]

So.
No one should have personal insults, no one should have their professional status or personal status questioned.
I for one have eventually got sick of it.
That's my right.

You it seems from what you say haven't got sick of it, that's your right..

In either case it shouldn't happen, whether people just lie down and let people continually get away with it or if the time comes for others, who decide enough is enough.

Anyway nothing gets done really even if reported so then options run out, so it's likely to give to some what they want in the end.
With the loss of more members and as to people looking in,loss of potential new ones.

You are correct about the reporting, the moderating defo depends who has been reported, time and time again the personal insult towards me remains on the forum for days only deleted when i complain on the forum for all to see....that has happened far to often for it to be a coincidence....so imo...more people have left or will leave or wont join because of one or two moderating bias rather than some lame name calling...if ya give it, you should bloody take it.....and all pre mentioned parties have given plenty in the past...but dont let all that stop you leaving.:nono:....if thats what you really plan to do:shrug:

[Livia]

I had something actually on topic to say about this today. But looking back at the last few pages I think I'll give it a miss.

[Livia]

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.



What a load of nonsense. I have lots of friends in real life, and on here, who are left of centre. The truth is that I can talk to them like grown ups. You don't know me well enough to say the things you have, I've had one conversation with you that I left.... and you followed me on to my wall to continue lambasting me.

I'm surprised your post was allowed to stay.... if these are off=topic and personal comments I don't know what is.

This is a Big Brother forum. I don't come here for this sh1t. I have enough drama in my real life. If you can't discuss things like an adult, put me on ignore, I implore you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently."


I mean, really, you could not make it up...


:skull:

[Vicky.]

Remake this thread if anyone wants to keep discussing. I honestly have no idea where to begin with deletions as there has already been a bunch and I cannot even tell where the sniping started D: Please, if it gets remade do not carry on the same arguments in it though, discuss the actual topic.