Your 10 most pointless TV characters?

[Mystic Mock]

Not your 10 worst characters, but who you feel personally if they left the show it wouldn't have much of an affect on the story? The show can be currently on air or finished, it doesn't matter.

Anyway here's my 10 most pointless characters.

1. Chloe (Stargate Universe)
2. Kala (Sense8)
3. Prince Charming (Once Upon A Time)
4. Lori (The Walking Dead)
5. Lloyd (FlashForward)
6. Olivia (FlashForward)
7. Ford (Stargate Atlantis)
8. Sasha (The Walking Dead)
9. Daryl (The Walking Dead)
10. Juliet (Lost)

As I've said it's most pointless not who you dislike the most, as my list would definitely have Spike from Buffy The Vampire Slayer on this list otherwise.:joker:

[Marsh.]

What was pointless about Juliet you heathen?

[Mystic Mock]

What was pointless about Juliet you heathen?

Her main purpose was to function in that stupid love quadrangle between herself, Sawyer, Jack, and Kate, she just didn't seem to do anything else.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Her main purpose was to function in that stupid love quadrangle between herself, Sawyer, Jack, and Kate, she just didn't seem to do anything else.[emoji23]
She was a main member of the Others.

She had more none quadrangle purpose than the DIABOLICAL KATE.

Until they butchered her in season 5 and made her a bit player in Sawyer, Jack and Kate's story before killing her off in the most cruel way without addressing any of her own plots or character. :bored:

The show really fisted itself in those last 2 seasons.

[LemonJam]

There's plenty of pretty pointless characters in Lost tbh (Nikki and Paolo, Miles, Mr Eko, Charlotte, Ilana, Libby off the top of my head) but Juliette is NOT one of them.

I always found Maxxie and Anwar pretty pointless in Skins and any storyline they did have lacked depth and felt like an afterthought.

Meg and Chris from Family Guy strike me as very obvious ones

[Cal.]

What was pointless about Lori?

She was a main character for the first 2 seasons of the show. The effect of her death is still reflected on characters today over 5 years later.

[Mystic Mock]

What was pointless about Lori?

She was a main character for the first 2 seasons of the show. The effect of her death is still reflected on characters today over 5 years later.

Lori like Juliet is very loosely connected to the show that she was suppose to be on, she offered no humour to the show, no insight into how to survive against the Zombies, and no interactions with most of her cast, admittedly she affected Rick, but she didn't really change anyone else that much which makes her a pointless character in my book considering she was suppose to be the leading lady at that point of the show's run.

[Mystic Mock]

There's plenty of pretty pointless characters in Lost tbh (Nikki and Paolo, Miles, Mr Eko, Charlotte, Ilana, Libby off the top of my head) but Juliette is NOT one of them.

I always found Maxxie and Anwar pretty pointless in Skins and any storyline they did have lacked depth and felt like an afterthought.

Meg and Chris from Family Guy strike me as very obvious ones

Didn't Libby know who Hurley was before they crashed onto the island? That makes her more relevant than Juliet imo who's story was mainly led by Ben.

[Jamie89]

Kim in 24 season's 2 + 3 was pretty pointless although I still enjoyed her in it.

[user104658]

Max and Billy, Stranger Things S2. Maybe they'll have a purpose in S3 or something? As far as S2 goes it was literally like they had been pulled out of some other 80's themed show and plonked down there for no reason :think:. Max created a small division between Dustin and Lucas but even that was totally unecessary and didn't affect the plot in any way.

[Marsh.]

Didn't Libby know who Hurley was before they crashed onto the island? That makes her more relevant than Juliet imo who's story was mainly led by Ben.
Libby was at the same mental institution as Hurley so that makes her more relevant than Juliet?

Despite Libby never having a centric episode, or actually involved in any plot line?

Juliet was a main player of season 3. She was active in the stories of 4 of the shows biggest characters and was the major death in the fifth season finale, which kicked off the final season of the show when she hit dat bomb.

Your argument has more holes than the outrigger.

[Niamh.]

I hated Lori but she definitely had a point in the show, she was what caused best friends Shane and Rick to constantly fight and power struggle and was the whole reason for that storyline over 2 seasons

[Shaun]

Never really given it much thought so I'll just think of some shows I like.

Frasier: Bulldog. Just a really one-note annoying character that didn't really have much emotional depth or growth (or rather, did once, but then Roz shot him down)
Game of Thrones: Samwell Tarly. So so so so boring and has never been interesting. Semi-rooted for him at the start because #TeamFat but oh god he's so wet and wimpy. Idc if he's integral with the books or whatever.
Breaking Bad: I can't really think of anyone from this because it's faultless :p but if I had to pick one, I'd say Lydia from the last season(s)... I liked her but can't remember anything about her storyline really.
Desperate Housewives: Every scene with Mike in it just bored me to tears
Westworld: I feel whoever I say here is going to prompt an essay from Lostie so I'll just bark the word 'Armistice' and run away (even though I think I love her?)

i'm bored now i cba with 10

[RileyH]

Game of Thrones: Samwell Tarly. So so so so boring and has never been interesting. Semi-rooted for him at the start because #TeamFat but oh god he's so wet and wimpy. Idc if he's integral with the books or whatever.

this is a bad opinion

[Mystic Mock]

Libby was at the same mental institution as Hurley so that makes her more relevant than Juliet?

Despite Libby never having a centric episode, or actually involved in any plot line?

Juliet was a main player of season 3. She was active in the stories of 4 of the shows biggest characters and was the major death in the fifth season finale, which kicked off the final season of the show when she hit dat bomb.

Your argument has more holes than the outrigger.

Well Libby was a Mystery on a Mystery show, why she knew Hurley is more relevant than Juliet who away from the quadrangle was a secondary character in Ben's stories.

[Mystic Mock]

I hated Lori but she definitely had a point in the show, she was what caused best friends Shane and Rick to constantly fight and power struggle and was the whole reason for that storyline over 2 seasons

But that story has nothing to do with surviving a Zombie apocalypse though?

[Niamh.]

But that story has nothing to do with surviving a Zombie apocalypse though?

It did for Shane

[Mystic Mock]

It did for Shane

I always thought that Shane's path to insanity because of what he went through in the Zombie Apocalypse was his most important story imo, especially what happened to one of the Greene's in season 2.

[Niamh.]

I always thought that Shane's path to insanity because of what he went through in the Zombie Apocalypse was his most important story imo, especially what happened to one of the Greene's in season 2.

Yes but his path to insanity was very heavily aided by his and Loris relationship and it's affect on his friendship with Rick etc How you can say Lori was pointless when she was probably the most major catalyst for the storylines in the first two seasons is beyond me and like I said this is coming from someone who hated her character

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but his path to insanity was very heavily aided by his and Loris relationship and it's affect on his friendship with Rick etc How you can say Lori was pointless when she was probably the most major catalyst for the storylines in the first two seasons is beyond me and like I said this is coming from someone who hated her character

Because Lori's story doesn't fit in with the show's story which is why I classed her as pointless.

She would've suited Desperate Housewives or Grey's Anatomy alot more.

[Niamh.]

Because Lori's story doesn't fit in with the show's story which is why I classed her as pointless.

She would've suited Desperate Housewives or Grey's Anatomy alot more.

The story is about people and their relationships as much as surviving the apocalypse, would be a pretty s**t show if every episode was filled with them battling Zombies

[Mystic Mock]

The story is about people and their relationships as much as surviving the apocalypse, would be a pretty s**t show if every episode was filled with them battling Zombies

The show imo is suppose to be about what caused the Zombies to exist in the first place, killing any Zombies that get in the characters way, and of course trying to find a cure to destroy the disease once and for all, not who's in love with who.

[Niamh.]

The show imo is suppose to be about what caused the Zombies to exist in the first place, killing any Zombies that get in the characters way, and of course trying to find a cure to destroy the disease once and for all, not who's in love with who.

The show isn't about 2 out of 3 of the things you listed there though so no that's not what it's supposed to be about, it may be what you wish it was about but it isn't :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Westworld: I feel whoever I say here is going to prompt an essay from Lostie so I'll just bark the word 'Armistice' and run away (even though I think I love her?)

:joker: tbf Armistice was pretty minor for someone in the main cast but how DARE anyone say she's more pointless than Lee Effing Sizemore

Other big ones for me:

Daryl, The Walking Dead (sorry Daryl stans, he's been a glorified spare part hanging around for fanservice since season 4)

Tara, The Walking Dead (she was actually interesting when she joined but that feels like a century ago, Lord knows why she's deemed a main character and how she's survived this long.)

Deacon, 12 Monkeys (why on earth is he in the main cast yet Olivia isn't when she's 10000000 times more important?? But they actually referenced his apparent pointlessness in-show last season so I think it's intentional and he'll be significant to the endgame next season

Monty, The 100 (he's been part of the main cast for 4 seasons and I'm yet to see a reason why)

Will Scarlet, Once Upon a Time (he was a **** character in the spinoff but at least had a story and to pander to fanservice they brought him into the main show because he was for some reason popular and then... he did absolutely nothing and vanished when they realised they had nothing to do with the character. A bloody FIASCO!)

Also have to unfortunately agree with the suggestions of Ilana, Charlotte and Nikki & Paulo and Miles from Lost even though I loved them all. The first 4 only ended up pointless because they were bloody killed off too quickly. :idc: (although Charlotte's death was the catalyst for Daniel's crusade to change the past so she wasn't entirely pointless, but if being dead is your most important role in the story...), I'd add Frank too, his whole purpose was flying people places (which in itself was important for the story but he as a character was completely insignificant, he was just a function)

[Nicky91]

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

The Walking Dead: Rick/Michonne's love story

[Mystic Mock]

The show isn't about 2 out of 3 of the things you listed there though so no that's not what it's supposed to be about, it may be what you wish it was about but it isn't :laugh:

Any story about Zombies is supposed to have at least 2 of those things that I've listed, if they don't then they're a poor Zombie story and are false advertising themselves, especially when TWD in particular do alot of trailers showing the characters having alot of action scenes and villains to take on, and then when people actually watch the show in execution they instead get love triangles and other sappy romances that are written in a dated manner taking up large chunks of an episode, it's certainly not what the show was suppose to be about in it's inception, and I bet it's not something that the writers wanted but AMC forced them into doing with people like Lori's character being made into such a "big" deal with the screentime.

[Niamh.]

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

The Walking Dead: Rick/Michonne's love story

Not liking a character doesn't make them pointless Nicky, saying daenerys is a pointless character in GOTs is even more absurd than Mock saying Lori was in TWD :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Not liking a character doesn't make them pointless Nicky, saying daenerys is a pointless character in GOTs is even more absurd than Mock saying Lori was in TWD :laugh:

Well Daenarys is trying to get the throne and has had an 8 season build-up to try and achieve the main aim of the programme, which Lori never seemed to have an aim but hook up with a guy on TWD.:joker:

[Niamh.]

Any story about Zombies is supposed to have at least 2 of those things that I've listed, if they don't then they're a poor Zombie story and are false advertising themselves, especially when TWD in particular do alot of trailers showing the characters having alot of action scenes and villains to take on, and then when people actually watch the show in execution they instead get love triangles and other sappy romances that are written in a dated manner taking up large chunks of an episode, it's certainly not what the show was suppose to be about in it's inception, and I bet it's not something that the writers wanted but AMC forced them into doing with people like Lori's character being made into such a "big" deal with the screentime.

But it doesn't matter what you think the show should be about, it is what it is and her character wasn't pointless in that respect

[reece(:]

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

https://i.imgur.com/ICdHGI0.gif

[Marsh.]

Well Libby was a Mystery on a Mystery show, why she knew Hurley is more relevant than Juliet who away from the quadrangle was a secondary character in Ben's stories.
She wasn't though. The mystery never amounted to anything, and had no relevance to the show movimg forward other than giving her a connection to Hurley and she was killed after less than a season.

That's not more relevant than a 3 season regular who got the penultimate season cliffhanger and set the whole thing in motion with the bomb. :smug:

[Nicky91]

Well Daenarys is trying to get the throne and has had an 8 season build-up to try and achieve the main aim of the programme, which Lori never seemed to have an aim but hook up with a guy on TWD.:joker:

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

[RileyH]

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

No baby no

[Mystic Mock]

But it doesn't matter what you think the show should be about, it is what it is and her character wasn't pointless in that respect

If TWD wanted to be Grey's Anatomy then it shouldn't have had the Zombies in the programme, it can't get credit for adding them in and then when people criticise the show for not handling them properly (on Social Media mainly) they can't then have responses like this because it encourages imo future shows to try similar gimmicks. Lori has nothing to do with the Zombie storyline (which whether the show likes it or not) is what most people tune in to the programme for, and is what people expect will be the show's main storyline, not love triangles, and certainly not this weird Biker Gang age that it's in at the moment with Negan.

But going back to Lori I think that season 2 tried the hardest to make her relevant to the programme with giving her more scenes with Dale and Glen, but they still was very few for my liking, and for the leading lady she should've been getting more screentime with these people but instead was just monopolised by Rick and Shane, she didn't even have that much screentime with Carl fgs and that was meant to be her Son.

Basically if the Show wanted some Drama in (which I do understand as it can help develop the characters) then they should've done it in a way that makes the character active with most of it's other characters, not just two people.

[Mystic Mock]

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

https://i.imgur.com/ICdHGI0.gif

Sasha imo was never properly developed, I didn't hate her character but I can certainly understand why the actress moved onto Star Trek: Discovery as her character actually gets development on that show.

[Mystic Mock]

She wasn't though. The mystery never amounted to anything, and had no relevance to the show movimg forward other than giving her a connection to Hurley and she was killed after less than a season.

That's not more relevant than a 3 season regular who got the penultimate season cliffhanger and set the whole thing in motion with the bomb. :smug:

That's the show for you though it never answered anything.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

Oh she was terrible last season, as was Jon Snow, but tbf I feel that they both have their own parts to play in the story.

[Marsh.]

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

[Marsh.]

That's the show for you though it never answered anything.[emoji23]
Except it did.

[Mystic Mock]

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.

[Mystic Mock]

Except it did.

When?:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.
Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

[Marsh.]

When?[emoji23]
Throughout its run.

[Mystic Mock]

Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.

[Marsh.]

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.
But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

In fact the creator even said the cause is "not important to the story".

[LaLaLand]

I don't think I could list 10 tbh but I want to give a special shout out to Janae "Watson" from OITNB... like what does she do? Just runs? Release ha

[Mystic Mock]

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

It's about Survival first and foremost I know, and trust would be another thing, but of course what started it is more important than any character's love life on the show, or any dynamic on the show tbh as otherwise the Zombie Outbreak story has no aim and is just the same thing on repeat of people moving from one place to the next just surviving and no real aim of wanting to live a normal life again, because if the show actually had the characters wanting to find out what caused the Zombies to exist (actual Human curiosity that the show doesn't touch on) then they could try and find a cure and stop the Zombie outbreak once and for all.

Obviously the show instead seems to think that people would be all about wanting to beat each other up, or having sex with each other rather than wanting to actually try and save everybody by trying to find a cure so that they can then rebuild their lives.

[Mystic Mock]

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

In fact the creator even said the cause is "not important to the story".

BIB, so they're admitting then that they just used the Zombies as a gimmick then to pull in viewers that wouldn't otherwise have watched the show? That's good to know then that The Walking Dead has got such an appropriate title.

[Marsh.]

It's about Survival first and foremost I know, and trust would be another thing, but of course what started it is more important than any character's love life on the show, or any dynamic on the show tbh as otherwise the Zombie Outbreak story has no aim and is just the same thing on repeat of people moving from one place to the next just surviving and no real aim of wanting to live a normal life again, because if the show actually had the characters wanting to find out what caused the Zombies to exist (actual Human curiosity that the show doesn't touch on) then they could try and find a cure and stop the Zombie outbreak once and for all.

Obviously the show instead seems to think that people would be all about wanting to beat each other up, or having sex with each other rather than wanting to actually try and save everybody by trying to find a cure so that they can then rebuild their lives.

You don't get the show at all if you think the origin of the zombie apocalypse is more important than the characters and their relationships to one another.

To quote the creator "it's not important to the story".

The zombie apocalypse is the setting, the playground for the stories.

In fact, how many times has the "omg virus we need to find a cure" been done? Cliche is an understatement.

"Otherwise it's just about people moving around surviving"
Well done, you've almost hit on what the show is about. [emoji23]

[Marsh.]

BIB, so they're admitting then that they just used the Zombies as a gimmick then to pull in viewers that wouldn't otherwise have watched the show? That's good to know then that The Walking Dead has got such an appropriate title.
That's like saying Eastenders is nothing but a gimmick because they haven't explained the origins of Albert Square.

They don't need to. It's the setting, the fictional universe within which the stories play out.

[Mystic Mock]

You don't get the show at all if you think the origin of the zombie apocalypse is more important than the characters and their relationships to one another.

To quote the creator "it's not important to the story".

The zombie apocalypse is the setting, the playground for the stories.

In fact, how many times has the "omg virus we need to find a cure" been done? Cliche is an understatement.

Cliche or not it's a Zombie story so it has to follow certain things just like any other story has to, in fact the only people that would accept Lori as being in any shape or form as being relevant to the show are more than likely not normally fans of the genre.

And as I've said the creator has basically used the Zombies as a gimmick to try and get people to tune into the show, because let's face it what is the point of the Zombies in the show then if the most important stuff in the show is relationships and friendships? If the writer wanted to make that type of show then don't put Zombies in the programme, otherwise characters like Lori are a waste of time as they don't fit into the certain tropes that comes with the genre and is a necessity for the genre to follow.

Basically if it's a Zombie show then the dynamics take a back burner to trying to find out what caused the outbreak, and if it's a Drama/Soap Opera then the writer should've made an entirely different show instead of pretending that it was a Zombie show.

[Mystic Mock]

Plus shows that follow their friendships/relationships is possibly more cliched at this point than a Zombie outbreak.

[Mystic Mock]

That's like saying Eastenders is nothing but a gimmick because they haven't explained the origins of Albert Square.

They don't need to. It's the setting, the fictional universe within which the stories play out.

EastEnders isn't claiming to have mysteries surrounding Albert Square though, it is what it is which is a Soap Opera where relationships, friendships, and rivalries occur, and affairs/other types of scandals, I'm no fan of the show but it is following it's genre to a tea.

However EastEnders would be doing a bad job if Zombies started turning up and the characters had to try and stop them (which whether the you like it or not) that is what TWD is about as realistically the show can't honestly believe that these people are gonna survive for much longer if they honestly don't put a stop to the Zombies? And also as I said the show is very one note if all it is about is moving from one place to the next, that isn't even a plot it's just changing location for more of the same Lori-esque stuff that doesn't fit in with what the audience was promised in season 1, or with any other Zombie story that's ever been made which it does have to follow those tropes to an extent.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that this review off IMDB summons up alot of the issues with TWD.

"They've lost me, the producers have lost me. How many times can they recycle the same plot? This is no longer humanity vs zombies, this is humans vs humans with a unnecessary dose of violence and twisted psyche, all for the sake of maintaining ratings and milking the cash cow. The writers creativity have been depleted for a few seasons now, there has been no direction, no gradual learning, no story development. All the physical moving around is just the illusion of story to mask the fact that there isn't a story being told at all. The show isn't going anywhere. I have stopped watching, and I feel liberated from this burden of a show. TWD has slowly decomposed into a gross, unintelligent TV show. Who keeps making gas, electricity... but then there's no radio communication... What happened to the military, the government, smart people, common sense... I understand the appeal for certain demographics, but I, for once, demand more from entertainment than this garbage, good bye!!!"

There's nothing wrong with being slow paced, but there does still need to be a story going on that the fans will accept being in the programme.

And they make a good point about how the Military, The Government, and the Scientists have all disappeared and has been substituted for pointless violence, and characters relationships.

[Marsh.]

EastEnders isn't claiming to have mysteries surrounding Albert Square though, it is what it is which is a Soap Opera where relationships, friendships, and rivalries occur, and affairs/other types of scandals, I'm no fan of the show but it is following it's genre to a tea.

What? You mean, except when it does have mysteries?

That's not the point Mock. We're talking about these shows/stories having a setting/background. That background is largely irrelevant and just the stage for the characters and stories.

However EastEnders would be doing a bad job if Zombies started turning up and the characters had to try and stop them (which whether the you like it or not) that is what TWD is about as realistically the show can't honestly believe that these people are gonna survive for much longer if they honestly don't put a stop to the Zombies? And also as I said the show is very one note if all it is about is moving from one place to the next, that isn't even a plot it's just changing location for more of the same Lori-esque stuff that doesn't fit in with what the audience was promised in season 1, or with any other Zombie story that's ever been made which it does have to follow those tropes to an extent.

"Realistically" this small group of people are not going to discover the cause and find a cure neither.

The show is about a group of survivors struggling to cope in a zombie apocalypse. The show has never changed from this premise.

No, it doesn't have to follow tropes from other zombie stories. What a ridiculous comment. There's no point in it existing, if it has to do everything that's already been done because Mock wants it to.

You're talking as though they're moving location for the sake of it... uh, hello... zombies.

Wanting Daryl or whoever else to suddenly develop the skills to produce a zombie cure is laughable. :joker: It's not what the show is about.

[Marsh.]

Plus shows that follow their friendships/relationships is possibly more cliched at this point than a Zombie outbreak.

It has to follow them or there's no story beyond a 90 minute movie. You might as well just have one character on their own in that case.

[Lostie!]

Cliche or not it's a Zombie story so it has to follow certain things just like any other story has to, in fact the only people that would accept Lori as being in any shape or form as being relevant to the show are more than likely not normally fans of the genre.

Oh the old "if you don't agree with me you're not a real fan" argument. I've been a fan of the zombie genre for years and I think the idea of Lori being irrelevant is ridiculous. I don't watch it but I think Z Nation sounds more like what you're looking for.

[Mystic Mock]

What? You mean, except when it does have mysteries?

That's not the point Mock. We're talking about these shows/stories having a setting/background. That background is largely irrelevant and just the stage for the characters and stories.



"Realistically" this small group of people are not going to discover the cause and find a cure neither.

The show is about a group of survivors struggling to cope in a zombie apocalypse. The show has never changed from this premise.

No, it doesn't have to follow tropes from other zombie stories. What a ridiculous comment. There's no point in it existing, if it has to do everything that's already been done because Mock wants it to.

You're talking as though they're moving location for the sake of it... uh, hello... zombies.

Wanting Daryl or whoever else to suddenly develop the skills to produce a zombie cure is laughable. :joker: It's not what the show is about.

Individual characters will have mysteries (like most shows do tbf) but none of it is about Albert Square itself on any episode that I've ever seen of the show.

I think the biggest thing that the show should be having happen is for groups to be bumping into Scientists, Military Officers, and just characters wanting to put a stop to the madness rather than all of them wanting to kill each other.

I mean these posts make it sound like I hate the show (I honestly don't) I just do feel that the show has written itself in a way where either the Zombies are pointless in the show, or the Lori type characters are pointless in the show as Zombie stories and Soap Opera stories don't naturally mesh with one another as the stories are nothing alike.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh the old "if you don't agree with me you're not a real fan" argument. I've been a fan of the zombie genre for years and I think the idea of Lori being irrelevant is ridiculous. I don't watch it but I think Z Nation sounds more like what you're looking for.

I have actually heard that Z Nation is meant to be more entertaining tbf.:joker:

And let's be honest Lostie how many Zombie stories have had Lori type of characters? And I want an honest answer here and not some sarcastic post that seems to be going on at the moment on this thread with digs at Z Nation which from what I'm gathering has always promised to be more like a Parody rather than a Drama.

[Nicky91]

Oh she was terrible last season, as was Jon Snow, but tbf I feel that they both have their own parts to play in the story.

Davos though, ''this is jon snow................. he's king in the north''

so funny :laugh: :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

[Nicky91]

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

what, don't say bad things about someone with a deadly baseball bat, that's a ballsy but dumb decision to do :joker:

[Niamh.]

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

tbf though the show was extremely popular when Lori was in it and was one of the main driving forces of the storyline :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Davos though, ''this is jon snow................. he's king in the north''

so funny :laugh: :laugh:

I do like Davos as a character, but that actor was actually one of the redeeming factors about Outcasts imo.

If you don't know what the show is Nicky, it was a British show that aired on the BBC that did only one season, the genres were Sci-Fi, and Drama, I've told you just in case you like the sound of it.

[Mystic Mock]

tbf though the show was extremely popular when Lori was in it and was one of the main driving forces of the storyline :laugh:

Ratings shot up as soon as she was killed though.:laugh:

I honestly think that the show's creators, the channel with it's trailers, the Comic Book fans, and the normal TV Show fans all have their own ideas of what the show is supposed to be, and I can't help but feel that's what hurting the show's quality as the creators/the channel want the Drama/Soapy bits. The TV Show fans on average seem to love the action meets Drama/Soap elements. The Comic Books fans seem to want it to be more gory and more Drama driven, with also more focus on the Zombies and better writing for Rick (the Rick stuff really is true with the Comic fans when I've heard them speak) so I think the show then is looking like a mess because they're having to incorporate all of these different things into the show and they don't all naturally gel with each other, and the show seems to be half hazard at pulling certain things off.

Personally aswell I do feel that they need to stop turning alot of the female characters into Stepford Wives, they're never gonna be able to carry an episode in this type of show if that's all their role is suppose to be.

[Niamh.]

Ratings shot up as soon as she was killed though.:laugh:

Ratings went up because people liked Seasons 1 & 2, people didn't just say oh hate Lori so I'm going to stop watching until she dies :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Ratings went up because people liked Seasons 1 & 2, people didn't just say oh hate Lori so I'm going to stop watching until she dies :laugh:

I've just checked on Wikipedia and the ratings didn't go up quite as big as I thought it did after she died, I do know that Shane's death saw the show jump up 2 million viewers afterwards.

I personally do think that alot of people was fed up of how the show doesn't seem to have a structured storyline, and I do think that characters like Lori, Negan, Sasha, and controversially Daryl do not help matters when they're either not heavily involved in the plot (Daryl, Sasha, and Lori) or they just don't seem to have enough dynamics with the cast to sustain themselves (Sasha in particular fell into this trap quite brutally imo, as did Lori who just was only there for Rick and Shane) I'm not saying that I'm speaking for everyone, but these were noticeable mistakes to me, and I bet in particular with the Lori and Negan storylines that alot of people just didn't check the show out past season 1 because of Lori, or quit the show in season 7 because of Negan. I also personally think that the Alexandria stuff was quite pointless too as there was no proper threat in Alexandria and the show had to force danger onto the group I felt.

As I've said though I'm interested to read what alot of the fans think is the issue as to why TWD has lost around 8 million viewers in the last two seasons.

[Lostie!]

I have actually heard that Z Nation is meant to be more entertaining tbf.:joker:

And let's be honest Lostie how many Zombie stories have had Lori type of characters? And I want an honest answer here and not some sarcastic post that seems to be going on at the moment on this thread with digs at Z Nation which from what I'm gathering has always promised to be more like a Parody rather than a Drama.

I wasn't making a "dig" at Z Nation, I was saying (without a shred of sarcasm) that it sounds more like the type of zombie show that you want.

I'm not sure how "other zombie stories don't have Lori types" makes her irrelevant to The Walking Dead. That literally makes no logical sense. The Walking Dead has always been about more than just zombies, that's just the backdrop against which the stories take place and it sounds like that's your problem. Well it never "promised" anything else because the focus on character drama (including the Lori story) are from the source material. Lori's importance to the show is a matter of fact, what's subjective is whether you like her or not.

[Mystic Mock]

I wasn't making a "dig" at Z Nation, I was saying (without a shred of sarcasm) that it sounds more like the type of zombie show that you want.

I'm not sure how "other zombie stories don't have Lori types" makes her irrelevant to The Walking Dead. That literally makes no logical sense. The Walking Dead has always been about more than just zombies, that's just the backdrop against which the stories take place and it sounds like that's your problem. Well it never "promised" anything else because the focus on character drama (including the Lori story) are from the source material. Lori's importance to the show is a matter of fact, what's subjective is whether you like her or not.

Fair enough then I must have caught the wrong end of the stick with your post then, I apologise.

I just think that when you call yourself The Walking Dead, your whole pilot is about surviving against the Zombie outbreak, and the trailers are all about Rick and his group fighting Zombies, it is kind of expected then that the Lori type characters shouldn't really be getting so much screentime as they conveniently leave those types of characters off the trailers.

Btw I'm not even saying that The Walking Dead shouldn't have Drama, it's the Soap Opera elements that are not needed for a show like this which is all Lori gave, I mean think about it did Lori have much screentime with anybody but Rick or Shane?

[Niamh.]

I've just checked on Wikipedia and the ratings didn't go up quite as big as I thought it did after she died, I do know that Shane's death saw the show jump up 2 million viewers afterwards.

I personally do think that alot of people was fed up of how the show doesn't seem to have a structured storyline, and I do think that characters like Lori, Negan, Sasha, and controversially Daryl do not help matters when they're either not heavily involved in the plot (Daryl, Sasha, and Lori) or they just don't seem to have enough dynamics with the cast to sustain themselves (Sasha in particular fell into this trap quite brutally imo, as did Lori who just was only there for Rick and Shane) I'm not saying that I'm speaking for everyone, but these were noticeable mistakes to me, and I bet in particular with the Lori and Negan storylines that alot of people just didn't check the show out past season 1 because of Lori, or quit the show in season 7 because of Negan. I also personally think that the Alexandria stuff was quite pointless too as there was no proper threat in Alexandria and the show had to force danger onto the group I felt.

As I've said though I'm interested to read what alot of the fans think is the issue as to why TWD has lost around 8 million viewers in the last two seasons.

Ratings went up because people started watching as the show started getting popular so everyone who according to ratings only started watching in Seasons 3 or 4 obviously would have watched the first two online or somewhere first, like I did.

I really disagree with everything you say about Lori and her storyline (as much as I disliked her) She didn't just have a dynamic with Rick and Shane btw, there's a dislike between her and Andrea and also her relationship with Carl. But look it sounds to me as if you're just disappointed that the show doesn't focus on what you want it to focus on and that your needs aren't being met, that doesn't make a character pointless in general, just to you :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Individual characters will have mysteries (like most shows do tbf) but none of it is about Albert Square itself on any episode that I've ever seen of the show.

I think the biggest thing that the show should be having happen is for groups to be bumping into Scientists, Military Officers, and just characters wanting to put a stop to the madness rather than all of them wanting to kill each other.

I mean these posts make it sound like I hate the show (I honestly don't) I just do feel that the show has written itself in a way where either the Zombies are pointless in the show, or the Lori type characters are pointless in the show as Zombie stories and Soap Opera stories don't naturally mesh with one another as the stories are nothing alike.

What if the scientists and military officers are all dead? Maybe the bleak reality of the story is that by the end the entire population/world will die?

[Marsh.]

The Walking Dead has always been about more than just zombies, that's just the backdrop against which the stories take place

:clap1:

[user104658]

To be fair, it makes literally zero sense that a small town sheriff and his rag-tag group of plucky normal people have survived this long, and The Kingdom with a zookeeper leader and again normal followers... And Negan and Co... And the trash yard kids... Have all survived and become expert zombie killers...

... And yet they haven't encountered ONE military group? Who would all be trained in survival tactics and armed to the teeth from the start. Or, say, a SWAT unit and their families for similar reasons. Basically, if multiple groups of mostly UNtrained people have survived, how are there no organised groups of trained individuals. Hmmm.

[Marsh.]

Because the outbreak started at a military base and they are to blame, they were turned first.

SOLVED. Bravo TS! Bravo! :clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

Ratings went up because people started watching as the show started getting popular so everyone who according to ratings only started watching in Seasons 3 or 4 obviously would have watched the first two online or somewhere first, like I did.

I really disagree with everything you say about Lori and her storyline (as much as I disliked her) She didn't just have a dynamic with Rick and Shane btw, there's a dislike between her and Andrea and also her relationship with Carl. But look it sounds to me as if you're just disappointed that the show doesn't focus on what you want it to focus on and that your needs aren't being met, that doesn't make a character pointless in general, just to you :laugh:

BIB, again I hardly saw her interact with Carl, in those first two seasons I saw Carl mainly hanging around Rick and Shane, Lori was hardly developed with Carl in my view which always looked strange to me considering she was supposed to have been his Mother.

And the Andrea scene (which is all it was if I remember correctly) was in season 2 which I said I do think tried a bit harder to make her relevant in the dynamics, but the show just never seemed to have the confidence to let her be her own character for the whole hog.

[Mystic Mock]

What if the scientists and military officers are all dead? Maybe the bleak reality of the story is that by the end the entire population/world will die?

But as you've said to me about the plot, if that is the ending then the show could easily end within 3 to 5 seasons, not planning on doing 12 seasons like the writers have promised.

[Mystic Mock]

To be fair, it makes literally zero sense that a small town sheriff and his rag-tag group of plucky normal people have survived this long, and The Kingdom with a zookeeper leader and again normal followers... And Negan and Co... And the trash yard kids... Have all survived and become expert zombie killers...

... And yet they haven't encountered ONE military group? Who would all be trained in survival tactics and armed to the teeth from the start. Or, say, a SWAT unit and their families for similar reasons. Basically, if multiple groups of mostly UNtrained people have survived, how are there no organised groups of trained individuals. Hmmm.

Thank you! Someone else seeing it from my perspective of the show, if anything like that was to really happen in real life Government officials, and Military would be some of the people that I'd be most confident was still alive.

[Marsh.]

But as you've said to me about the plot, if that is the ending then the show could easily end within 3 to 5 seasons, not planning on doing 12 seasons like the writers have promised.
Why? There's all of the story they have had involving the characters over the years.

Could end in 3 to 5 seasons if they only include things you are interested in.

What you enjoy and don't enjoy doesn't equate to what is and isn't relevant to the stories they are telling.

And I doubt that will be the "ending" as the show isn't about them. It'll be about whatever ending is in store for the characters we're actually watching on-screen.

[Mystic Mock]

Why? There's all of the story they have had involving the characters over the years.

Could end in 3 to 5 seasons if they only include things you are interested in.

What you enjoy and don't enjoy doesn't equate to what is and isn't relevant to the stories they are telling.

And I doubt that will be the "ending" as the show isn't about them. It'll be about whatever ending is in store for the characters we're actually watching on-screen.

What story do you think that they're "telling" though? Alot of the characters are either dead or just hanging on through sheer fan popularity at this point (Daryl and Michonne) the only "story" that seems to be mentioned on here is them moving from point A to B which isn't even really a story in itself if it's basically still just Negan hunts them down from another location with his Biker Gang type mentality, you could basically just keep him and Simon still going for them in Alexandria and it still wouldn't make a difference.

[user104658]

Being fair the current story doesn't exclude the possibility that government officials are still alive as they'd probably be living in a bunker somewhere, or perhaps a very remote base in the middle of a desert or something, for several years after the initial outbreak.

Its more the small groups of soldiers etc. I'm wondering about - we've hardly seen any alive! There was the tank driver from The Governors town I suppose, and Abraham but I'm sure he was an ex-soldier or at least on leave when it all started.

Surely there would be groups of soldiers who were together in barracks when it all started... And you get those military villages where soldiers live with their families etc... Wouldn't communities like that be some of the most likely to survive for a while? Rather than "normal" little settlements like Hilltop or Kingdom. I mean they did explain Alexandria which survived until Rick's arrival on a combination of self sufficiency and isolationism, the strong walls, and some good luck. But not so much the others.

That said, they've still not explained the helicopter that Rick saw overhead in the first half of this season. I don't think it was The Saviours, been no indication that they have one, so maybe there IS a well equipped base around somewhere.

[Mystic Mock]

Being fair the current story doesn't exclude the possibility that government officials are still alive as they'd probably be living in a bunker somewhere, or perhaps a very remote base in the middle of a desert or something, for several years after the initial outbreak.

Its more the small groups of soldiers etc. I'm wondering about - we've hardly seen any alive! There was the tank driver from The Governors town I suppose, and Abraham but I'm sure he was an ex-soldier or at least on leave when it all started.

Surely there would be groups of soldiers who were together in barracks when it all started... And you get those military villages where soldiers live with their families etc... Wouldn't communities like that be some of the most likely to survive for a while? Rather than "normal" little settlements like Hilltop or Kingdom. I mean they did explain Alexandria which survived until Rick's arrival on a combination of self sufficiency and isolationism, the strong walls, and some good luck. But not so much the others.

That said, they've still not explained the helicopter that Rick saw overhead in the first half of this season. I don't think it was The Saviours, been no indication that they have one, so maybe there IS a well equipped base around somewhere.

The Show if it's any good at all (which I think that it has the ability to do this) it should answer what happened to the soldiers, because I agree with you that it's weird that after all of these years the group has not once bumped into any Military base that would exist in a scenario like that I feel.