A discussion about the forum.

[Beso]

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

[smudgie]

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned permenintly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

I am sure this happens.:joker:
Bite my tongue sometimes so I don’t let the cat out of the bag...plus I could be wrong:laugh:

[Beso]

I am sure this happens.:joker:
Bite my tongue sometimes so I don’t let the cat out of the bag...plus I could be wrong:laugh:

when you think of it, it probably isnt that hard to do..what would you need? An ip blocker or something..

[Shaun]

I don't think staff mind any more, permabanned members are alive and kicking :laugh:

[Smithy]

Generally members don’t get indefinite/perm bans anymore, despite the fact some members defintely deserve it :idc: so the multi problem isn’t really an issue imo, and if someone has made a multi of a previously banned account...guess the admin are worried about the number of members we have as apposed to the quality of members :hee:

[Underscore]

despite the fact some members defintely deserve it :idc:

spill the tea sis!

[Smithy]

spill the tea sis!
I’m a lady, I would never!

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[montblanc]

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[Beso]

Can gifs be blocked?

[Toy Soldier]

So Brillo, then?

[montblanc]

Can gifs be blocked?

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[Underscore]

gifs are INTEGRAL to this forum!

[Cal.]

Unless you’re Salman I get the impression you’re fair game to come back.

[Ashley.]

I don't mind permabanned members coming back, as long as they're open and honest about it rather than pretending they're a brand new member called Brian or something. And I've said this before but if the actions that led to their ban personally affected another member then the first thing they should do is apologise. Just my two cents.

[Brillopad]

Generally members don’t get indefinite/perm bans anymore, despite the fact some members defintely deserve it :idc: so the multi problem isn’t really an issue imo, and if someone has made a multi of a previously banned account...guess the admin are worried about the number of members we have as apposed to the quality of members :hee:

Quality of members - who makes that decision those that believe themselves to be a ‘quality member’. :hehe: Besides people have often been banned unfairly - so unless people know their facts, to make such sweeping statements is based on pure ignorance.

[Withano]

Quality of members - who makes that decision those that believe themselves to be a ‘quality member’. :hehe: Besides people have often been banned unfairly - so unless people know their facts, to make such sweeping statements is based on pure ignorance.

Well, generally, the members who get banned are worse than those who dont. That's more logical than ignorant I'm afraid.

[Withano]

Tbh, although there should be some definite rule, like '6 months before your multi', if the multi is still a twat, they'd get banned all over again so its not much of an issue to me.

[Marsh.]

Not enough banning in a certain section of the forum IMO.

The biggest trolls are the ones who are never actually called/accused of trolling.

[Marsh.]

If you're going to allow them back on the forum, why not just let them, why have a multi?

ANNOYS me.

[Twosugars]

:pipe: ...so all newbies are under a dark cloud of suspicion :hmph:

[jet]

Well Kirk isn't back unfortunately, his style would be spotted right away. I miss him, and I even miss The Truth. This forum has a way of killing off the characters.

[Toy Soldier]

Well Kirk isn't back unfortunately, his style would be spotted right away.

Kirk wasn't banned tho

[jet]

Kirk wasn't banned tho

I know, he wisely removed himself from the toxicity.

[Kizzy]

I know, he wisely removed himself from the toxicity.

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[Brillopad]

Well, generally, the members who get banned are worse than those who dont. That's more logical than ignorant I'm afraid.

NO it isn’t - their politics and who they ‘befriend’ has a considerable part to play. If what you say were true why are you still here given your constant baiting.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of the biggest baiters on here are the same ones who get all holier than thou about banned members. Never quite sure if it is pure cockiness or such people are so completely lacking in self-awareness they simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

[Brillopad]

:pipe: ...so all newbies are under a dark cloud of suspicion :hmph:

Always beware those that feign innocence and call for the banning of other members. There are usually two sides to every story but only one gets an airing. They are rarely as innocent as they claim.

[Beso]

NO it isn’t - their politics and who they ‘befriend’ has a considerable part to play. If what you say were true why are you still here given your constant baiting.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of the biggest baiters on here are the same ones who get all holier than thou about banned members. Never quite sure if it is pure cockiness or such people are so completely lacking in self-awareness they simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

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[Beso]

:pipe: ...so all newbies are under a dark cloud of suspicion :hmph:

Only this years models that think they spk for the rest of the forum about an already established member.

[Smithy]

Quality of members - who makes that decision those that believe themselves to be a ‘quality member’. :hehe: Besides people have often been banned unfairly - so unless people know their facts, to make such sweeping statements is based on pure ignorance.

Wow looks like I touched a nerve

[Smithy]

I know, he wisely removed himself from the toxicity.

Then leave?

[Kazanne]

Well Kirk isn't back unfortunately, his style would be spotted right away. I miss him, and I even miss The Truth. This forum has a way of killing off the characters.

Yep,totally agree here Jet there definately are certain people who think THEY own the forum and know better than everyone else and how it should be run, some banned members who are genuinely sorry for what they were banned for should be allowed back,and why dont some people want banned members allowed back? maybe because those members challenged their opinions !! The forum has lost so many good members,now it is just a group of people who seem to like to throw one liners around,so not that interesting anymore,I liked Kirk aswell but he was driven off ,as for brillo being named,I have no idea who they were and really don't care,she is a really nice member who gets a hard time on here by some,the forum belongs to the owner,not us we should all be adult enough to be able to share it.

[Brillopad]

Then leave?

Maybe you should follow your own advice rather than suggest others do so.

[Brillopad]

Wow looks like I touched a nerve

Only an annoyance with those who think they shouldn't be banned when others would see it differently. Fed up with those that hide behind others. Do you have reason to think you are in the know then. All fluff and nonsense.

[Withano]

Only this years models that think they spk for the rest of the forum about an already established member.

:think: who are you on about, I only know of two regularly-posting-multi's. One is completely lovely, and you have applauded the other in this thread.

[Underscore]

This forum is a community forum so therefore I think people should be able to air their suggestions on moderation...

[Withano]

NO it isn’t - their politics and who they ‘befriend’ has a considerable part to play. If what you say were true why are you still here given your constant baiting.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of the biggest baiters on here are the same ones who get all holier than thou about banned members. Never quite sure if it is pure cockiness or such people are so completely lacking in self-awareness they simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

Can you name a member who is banned because of their politics please? This sounds more like paranoia.

I'll ignore paragraph 2, theres several rulebreaks there. Does seem as if you lack a basic understanding of the rules and maybe thats why you're showing yourself to be confused and angry in this thread perhaps?

[Brillopad]

Can you name a member who is banned because of their politics please? This sounds more like paranoia.

I'll ignore paragraph 2, theres several rulebreaks there. Does seem as if you lack a basic understanding of the rules and maybe thats why you're showing yourself to be confused and angry in this thread perhaps?

Do you bait so regularly because you understand or fail to understand the rules. We no doubt all have our opinion on that. Such an innocent non-rule breaker that you are trying to imply you are. It would be rather underhand to say the least then to then report someone else - agendas all over the place with some though.

As for the paranoia - I doubt it and most know it - but it suits some to imply it - those pesky agendas again. Play the innocent, although of course it doesn't suit. You are after all on the 'right' side of politics so are stating the expected parrot fashion. You are fooling only yourself.

[Withano]

Do you bait so regularly because you understand or fail to understand the rules. We no doubt all have our opinion on that. Such an innocent non-rule breaker that you are trying to imply you are. It would be rather underhand to say the least then to then report someone else - agendas all over the place with some though.

As for the paranoia - I doubt it and most know it - but it suits some to imply it - those pesky agendas again. Play the innocent, although of course it doesn't suit. You are after all on the 'right' side of politics so are stating the expected parrot fashion. You are fooling only yourself.

I never know when to take you seriously or not. This response is so absurd, it's difficult to believe you're trying to communicate.

I'll take it as a no, you don't know of anybody who is banned because of their political persuasion, and your classic 'I know you are but what am I' in regards to rules. That was a zinger when I was a kid at school.

[Brillopad]

I never know when to take you seriously or not. This response is so absurd, it's difficult to believe you're trying to communicate.

I have no real desire to communicate with you but you just keep flapping around. Go communicate with someone else.

[Brillopad]

:think: who are you on about, I only know of two regularly-posting-multi's. One is completely lovely, and you have applauded the other in this thread.

Are you accusing me of being a multi? Oh dear you really don't know your facts do you. Take it up with admin if that is what you really believe rather than just trying to have a desperate dig. No baiting here then. Sigh - so predictable.

[Withano]

Are you accusing me of being a multi? Oh dear you really don't know your facts do you. Take it up with admin if that is what you really believe rather than just trying to have a desperate dig. No baiting here then. Sigh - so predictable.

...Your first banned account, Wombai, was permabanned.. what do you think a multi is?

Although the thread has derailed, it was supposed to be about this (you and some others)



I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

You should have a pretty unique and interesting response to the thread, if you actually bother taking part in them instead of just angrily replying to people inside them.

[Brillopad]

...Your first banned account, Wombai, was permabanned.. what do you think a multi is?

A multi means two accounts running at once. I only have one account. FAIL mate. Has your little friend been tittle tattling to you? You need to know all the facts before you try to act as though you know it all - and you clearly don't.

[Withano]

A multi means two accounts running at once. I only have one account. FAIL mate. Has your little friend been tittle tattling to you? You need to know all the facts before you try to act as though you know it all - and you clearly don't.

Nobody thinks you have two accounts running at the same time, if thats what your mad about. I've never known anyone to use multi in that context either. Do you wanna respond to thread or na?

[Brillopad]

...Your first banned account, Wombai, was permabanned.. what do you think a multi is?

Although the thread has derailed, it was supposed to be about this (you and some others)



You should have a pretty unique and interesting response to the thread, if you actually bother taking part in them instead of just angrily replying to people inside them.

I only reply to those who are worth the effort in my opinion. You keep trying though.

[Withano]

I only reply to those who are worth the effort in my opinion. You keep trying though.

Why come on to a thread if you dont want to respond to it. Why only come on to a theead to angrily reply to those inside of it?

[Brillopad]

Nobody thinks you have two accounts running at the same time, if thats what your mad about. Do you wanna respond to thread or na?

To thread yes, to you NA.

[Withano]

To thread yes

Well ffs, you made about 20 odd posts that werent to do with the thread, is there a quota you must meet or something?

[Cherie]

NO it isn’t - their politics and who they ‘befriend’ has a considerable part to play. If what you say were true why are you still here given your constant baiting.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of the biggest baiters on here are the same ones who get all holier than thou about banned members. Never quite sure if it is pure cockiness or such people are so completely lacking in self-awareness they simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

Brillo quite rightly calling out the hypocrisy

[Kazanne]

:think: who are you on about, I only know of two regularly-posting-multi's. One is completely lovely, and you have applauded the other in this thread.

One is probably 'completely lovely' because she holds the same views as you' lol ,I find brillo completely lovely too, was she really Wombai,i hope so because I liked her too, maybe you should be calling all the banned members out who have rejoined,not just brillo!!! personally I see no reason why they are not allowed back,they do not need a pass from a certain few.It's the mods/admins decisions not ours, and as long as they follow the rules what's the problem ?:shrug:

[Withano]

One is probably 'completely lovely' because she holds the same views as you' lol ,I find brillo completely lovely too, was she really Wombai,i hope so because I liked her too, maybe you should be calling all the banned members out who have rejoined,not just brillo!!! personally I see no reason why they are not allowed back,they do not need a pass from a certain few.It's the mods/admins decisions not ours, and as long as they follow the rules what's the problem ?:shrug:

Tbh, although there should be some definite rule, like '6 months before your multi', if the multi is still a twat, they'd get banned all over again so its not much of an issue to me.

I dont know what her views are (maybe we're thinking of different people), and as I've said, these are the only two 'rejoining' members that i know of, so it would be difficult for me to 'call all the banned members out'.. obviously.
But it looks like we're thinking on a similar line, Kaz. You were a bit too eager to fight there :shrug:

[Brillopad]

I dont know what her views are (maybe we're thinking of different people), and as I've said, these are the only two 'rejoining' members that i know of, so it would be difficult for me to 'call all the banned members out'.. obviously.
But it looks like we're thinking on a similar line, Kaz. You were a bit too eager to fight there :shrug:

Set yourself up as judge and jury by the sounds of it. Who the hell are you to be calling anyone out on anything Mr Not So Innocent? :nono:

[Withano]

Set yourself up as judge and jury by the sounds of it. Who the hell are you to be calling anyone out on anything Mr Not So Innocent? :nono:

Do you even read posts, I've literally only said the opposite of this. It was Kaz that suggested I should call other people out.

You still havent responded to the thread, you're still only angrily responding to those inside of it.

[Kazanne]

I dont know what her views are (maybe we're thinking of different people), and as I've said, these are the only two 'rejoining' members that i know of, so it would be difficult for me to 'call all the banned members out'.. obviously.
But it looks like we're thinking on a similar line, Kaz. You were a bit too eager to fight there :shrug:

I don't fight,I just give my opinion ,people can read and most people can see what happens on here sometimes, I really don't care who anyone is ,but if I find someone nice I will say so,whatever has gone on in the past is past,this is a forum where everyones opinions should be welcomed even if we don't agree with them,there are people on here I am not keen on but I definitely would not follow them about just to antagonise them,you may not be intending to do that,but that's what it looks like, you always seem to want to get in the last word,as for banned members coming back ,why would it bother anyone ? So there you go,you think people want to fight,NO,they don't.

[Kazanne]

Do you even read posts, I've literally only said the opposite of this. It was Kaz that suggested I should call other people out.

You still havent responded to the thread, you're still only angrily responding to those inside of it.

Yes it was ,it only seems fair, as you seem to be calling just one,but why anyone would want to call anyone out is beyond me, past is done and dusted.

[Brillopad]

Do you even read posts, I've literally only said the opposite of this. It was Kaz that suggested I should call other people out.

You still havent responded to the thread, you're still only angrily responding to those inside of it.

You think I'm angry so I must be angry. If you want to think that, think it. Whatever rocks your boat. Now maybe you should get the message now.

[Withano]

I don't fight,I just give my opinion. so there you go,you think people want to fight,NO,they don't.

When you quote someone with questions, it looks like you're challenging/questioning them. Especially in this subforum. I dont know what you think I meant by 'fight', could have been clearer I suppose. What you done was effectively

Why don't you think like me? and because you directly quoted me, it looks like a challenge.. when actually we do have a similar stance on the subject. Maybe only including the things you want people to respond to when you quote them would help, Kaz.

[Withano]

You think I'm angry so I must be angry. If you want to think that, think it. Whatever rocks your boat. Now maybe you should get the message now.

Another irrelevant post, I look forward to reading your thoughts on the thread that you entered.

[Brillopad]

Another irrelevant post, I look forward to reading your thoughts on the thread that you entered.

About as irrelevant as yours. Don't start something you can't finish.

[Withano]

About as irrelevant as yours. Don't start something you can't finish.

Another irrelevant post, I look forward to reading your thoughts on the thread that you entered.:hehe:

[Cherie]

Considering you are always banging on about how awful SD is when Brillo is posting, you spend a hell of a lot of time interacting with her, me thinks you protest too much :hehe:

[Withano]

Considering you are always banging on about how awful SD is when Brillo is posting, you spend a hell of a lot of time interacting with her, me thinks you protest too much :hehe:

I'll usually respond to anybody who directly, or indirectly mentions me. Lets be honest though, shes made a hell of a lot of posts here, and she hasnt even responded to the thread yet. She's not doing an excellent job of proving me wrong lols. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just complaining and arguing.

Do you have a response to the thread, Cherie.

[Toy Soldier]

This thread is such a mess :joker:. Withano... I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you're the only one still regularly rising to Brillo. She is pretty much only here to argue - if you don't engage, she doesn't post. I tested this out a few months ago, by not engaging with it for ages in a massive thread. She barely posted at all. Then I deliberately gave a small "in" for her to kick off and I swear she was there within 5 minutes with the "OH YEAH AND WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH".

She's just watching threads and waiting for an opportunity to argue :shrug:. The mods know fine well and don't seem to care, so it really is pointless to bother.

It's a shame really as I actually think Brillo is perfectly CAPABLE of making sound and reasonable posts... She just seems to thrive on all of the other crap :shrug:. Especially when it prompts the same handful of members to start posting "in support" (Kazanne, Cherie, Jaxie, Parm, sometimes Alf).

Its like groundhog day except without the affable performance of Bill Murray. Boring af. We all need to stop doing it ffs.

(The irony that I am doing it right now doesn't escape me btw... And I'm sure this will promptly be deleted... But honestly this nonsense has been going on for YEARS at this point. Every thread turning into the same basic thread with the same posts, from the same people, over and over and over...)

[Brillopad]

I'll usually respond to anybody who directly, or indirectly mentions me. Lets be honest though, shes made a hell of a lot of posts here, and she hasnt even responded to the thread yet. She's not doing an excellent job of proving me wrong lols. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just complaining and arguing.

Do you have a response to the thread, Cherie.

You don't want to add to the thread - you want to argue and belittle. Again you are kidding no one. You very early on tried the 'oh how good it has been on here without Brillo' line. It doesn't work - so give it up. It does not come across well.

[Withano]

You don't want to add to the thread - you want to argue and belittle. Again you are kidding no one. You very early on tried the 'oh how good it has been on here without Brillo' line. It doesn't work - so give it up. It does not come across well.

I added to the thread on page 1, in that, it doesnt bother me personally if a multi is up and running because they can be banned again.

I think everyone that has responded to the thread bar you and Cherie has added to it.

[Brillopad]

This thread is such a mess :joker:. Withano... I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you're the only one still regularly rising to Brillo. She is pretty much only here to argue - if you don't engage, she doesn't post. I tested this out a few months ago, by not engaging with it for ages in a massive thread. She barely posted at all. Then I deliberately gave a small "in" for her to kick off and I swear she was there within 5 minutes with the "OH YEAH AND WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH".

She's just watching threads and waiting for an opportunity to argue :shrug:. The mods know fine well and don't seem to care, so it really is pointless to bother.

It's a shame really as I actually think Brillo is perfectly CAPABLE of making sound and reasonable posts... She just seems to thrive on all of the other crap :shrug:. Especially when it prompts the same handful of members to start posting "in support" (Kazanne, Cherie, Jaxie, Parm, sometimes Alf).

Its like groundhog day except without the affable performance of Bill Murray. Boring af. We all need to stop doing it ffs.

(The irony that I am doing it right now doesn't escape me btw... And I'm sure this will promptly be deleted... But honestly this nonsense has been going on for YEARS at this point. Every thread turning into the same basic thread with the same posts, from the same people, over and over and over...)

I don't come on here to argue actually TS. But certain posters' opinions are sometimes like a red rag to a bull. Withano is only out to rile - so I play his game to some degree. And less of the IT please TS unless you want to sink even lower than the rest of us. I thought women were supposed to be the bitches.

[Withano]

This thread is such a mess :joker:. Withano... I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you're the only one still regularly rising to Brillo. She is pretty much only here to argue - if you don't engage, she doesn't post. I tested this out a few months ago, by not engaging with it for ages in a massive thread. She barely posted at all. Then I deliberately gave a small "in" for her to kick off and I swear she was there within 5 minutes with the "OH YEAH AND WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH".

She's just watching threads and waiting for an opportunity to argue :shrug:. The mods know fine well and don't seem to care, so it really is pointless to bother.

It's a shame really as I actually think Brillo is perfectly CAPABLE of making sound and reasonable posts... She just seems to thrive on all of the other crap :shrug:. Especially when it prompts the same handful of members to start posting "in support" (Kazanne, Cherie, Jaxie, Parm, sometimes Alf).

Its like groundhog day except without the affable performance of Bill Murray. Boring af. We all need to stop doing it ffs.

(The irony that I am doing it right now doesn't escape me btw... And I'm sure this will promptly be deleted... But honestly this nonsense has been going on for YEARS at this point. Every thread turning into the same basic thread with the same posts, from the same people, over and over and over...)

Yeah, all of that is true, and I was aware of it on some level. Its just a shame that some will come on to a thread, and not discuss the idea of the thread. Like whats the point in being here at all! It doesnt seem like I can convince her in doing that today though.

[Brillopad]

Yeah, all of that is true, and I was aware of it on some level. Its just a shame that some will come on to a thread, and not discuss the idea of the thread. Like whats the point in being here at all! It doesnt seem like I can convince her in doing that today though.

Here we go again ... blah, blah, blah - Withano the innocent. We all believe that Withano - I doubt even TS does.

[Withano]

Here we go again ... blah, blah, blah - Withano the innocent. We all believe that Withano - I doubt even TS does.

Just to sum up


Coming on to a thread, ignoring the OP entirely, and responding angrily to someone that did add to the OP about something irrelevant is just such a tired cycle.. that is what you change this subforum in to, nobody else does this.

[Brillopad]

Just to sum up


Coming on to a thread, ignoring the OP entirely, and responding angrily to someone that did add to the OP about something irrelevant is just such a tired cycle.. that is what you change this subforum in to, nobody else does this.

It takes two to tango - you do get that don't you. You are no innocent - try as you might to convince otherwise. As people have said - we have seen it all before.

I will bow out now and enter another thread where people do genuinely have a subject to discuss rather than enter to wind up other members, however subtle they try to be. Might have worked if you had not gone for the 'oh Brillo is spoiling the thread line' yet again. You need to work on that one chum.

[Cherie]

I'll usually respond to anybody who directly, or indirectly mentions me. Lets be honest though, shes made a hell of a lot of posts here, and she hasnt even responded to the thread yet. She's not doing an excellent job of proving me wrong lols. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just complaining and arguing.

Do you have a response to the thread, Cherie.


No because I could care less about multis, unless they are abusive in which case they are dealt with by admin and the moderators.

[Cherie]

This thread is such a mess :joker:. Withano... I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you're the only one still regularly rising to Brillo. She is pretty much only here to argue - if you don't engage, she doesn't post. I tested this out a few months ago, by not engaging with it for ages in a massive thread. She barely posted at all. Then I deliberately gave a small "in" for her to kick off and I swear she was there within 5 minutes with the "OH YEAH AND WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH".

She's just watching threads and waiting for an opportunity to argue :shrug:. The mods know fine well and don't seem to care, so it really is pointless to bother.

It's a shame really as I actually think Brillo is perfectly CAPABLE of making sound and reasonable posts... She just seems to thrive on all of the other crap :shrug:. Especially when it prompts the same handful of members to start posting "in support" (Kazanne, Cherie, Jaxie, Parm, sometimes Alf).

Its like groundhog day except without the affable performance of Bill Murray. Boring af. We all need to stop doing it ffs.

(The irony that I am doing it right now doesn't escape me btw... And I'm sure this will promptly be deleted... But honestly this nonsense has been going on for YEARS at this point. Every thread turning into the same basic thread with the same posts, from the same people, over and over and over...)

it..really :umm2: you really are so arrogant at times

you forgot Ammi in your list :hee:

[Cherie]

Yeah, all of that is true, and I was aware of it on some level. Its just a shame that some will come on to a thread, and not discuss the idea of the thread. Like whats the point in being here at all! It doesnt seem like I can convince her in doing that today though.

why don't you continue the thread in the manner you are asking others to? seems like its do as I say with you..

[Cherie]

It takes two to tango - you do get that don't you. You are no innocent - try as you might to convince otherwise. As people have said - we have seen it all before.

I will bow out now and enter another thread where people do genuinely have a subject to discuss rather than enter to wind up other members, however subtle they try to be. Might have worked if you had not gone for the 'oh Brillo is spoiling the thread line' yet again. You need to work on that one chum.

subtle, like a bull in a china shop more like :laugh:

[Withano]

why don't you continue the thread in the manner you are asking others to? seems like its do as I say with you..

I'll usually respond to anybody who directly, or indirectly mentions me. .

Bit difficult though, when youve already practically stated that you were never intending on adding to the thread.

[Cherie]

Bit difficult though, when youve already practically stated that you were never intending on adding to the thread.

I did add to it

[Brillopad]

subtle, like a bull in a china shop more like :laugh:

A bull with eye and hearing problems. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So its about Withano and TS telling us all how marvelous and perceptive they are again?

i am so shocked


:laugh2:

[Kazanne]

Just to sum up


Coming on to a thread, ignoring the OP entirely, and responding angrily to someone that did add to the OP about something irrelevant is just such a tired cycle.. that is what you change this subforum in to, nobody else does this.

Excuse me,wasn't it a post of yours that included ffs !!!now that seems angry.
Oh yes here it is,"Well ffs, you made about 20 odd posts that werent to do with the thread, is there a quota you must meet or something? "
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[Cherie]

So its about Withano and TS telling us all how marvelous and perceptive they are again?

i am so shocked


:laugh2:

Pretty much, the lack of self awareness and look at us we know everything..embarrassing

[Brillopad]

So its about Withano and TS telling us all how marvelous and perceptive they are again?

i am so shocked


:laugh2:

TS thinks he has tested me and knows what I am all about. I would say get our that behaviourist manual once again - not the expert he thinks he is.

[Withano]

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

[Brillopad]

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

Talking of gangs - what about those that dish it out but can't take it back and then try to play the innocent and accuse others who aren't afraid to point out what they see as inappropriate behaviour as 'gangs'. It takes one to know one. Another fail. Digging a bigger hole than ever now. Now that is TRAGIC.

[Cherie]

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

What exactly are you suspicious of and how does it affect your use of the forum?

[Jessica.]

I don't think staff mind any more, permabanned members are alive and kicking :laugh:

Except for Stephanie :nono:

[Kazanne]

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

Way to twist things Withano, I am not part of a gang,how childish,I am probably just part of a group of people who can see that sometimes ,some posters are treated quite harshly, I would be the same if someone was doing it to you,we all have faults,no harm in admitting it.

[Cherie]

Way to twist things Withano, I am not part of a gang,how childish,I am probably just part of a group of people who can see that sometimes ,some posters are treated quite harshly, I would be the same if someone was doing it to you,we all have faults,no harm in admitting it.

100 per cent

[Jack_]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

[Kazanne]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

[Brillopad]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Did someone lie then - do you know something we don't know.

[AnnieK]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

[Cherie]

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

.

[Jack_]

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

Yes.

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

I do understand the arguments in bold, but I'm not sure I agree. If anything, people having to admit to or use their old usernames would be able to prove they've changed even more so than if they weren't. If you knew it was them, and you could see they were changing, that seems a lot better to me in demonstrating someone's moved on than pretending they don't have a clue what you're on about. Stacey for example I don't think has ever denied she's back on the forum, but she has been remorseful and I'm sure most people would agree, has integrated herself well again.

It's baiting because if everybody knows which previously banned member you are and you continue to pretend otherwise, that is undoubtedly going to rub people up the wrong way - particularly if there's ill feeling there. If you just went 'yeah, it's me, sorry for what happened before, hopefully I can prove I've changed' then I'm sure many people (maybe some through gritted teeth) would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think lying helps anyone.

[Jamie89]

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

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The thing is people don't get permanently banned anymore (I think I'm right in saying that) so it's not really as much of an issue as it might be otherwise. And like Withano said, if a multi starts causing trouble they'll just be banned again. So I don't have a problem with it personally. Then again I've never been personally targeted by anyone on here so I can understand why other people might have a problem with it depending on who the multi is.

[Jamie89]

Also, there's always the ignore function, so if there's someone on the forum who people would like to be banned but they aren't going to be, ban them yourself :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

I don't come on here to argue actually TS. But certain posters' opinions are sometimes like a red rag to a bull. Withano is only out to rile - so I play his game to some degree. And less of the IT please TS unless you want to sink even lower than the rest of us. I thought women were supposed to be the bitches.it..really :umm2: you really are so arrogant at times

you forgot Ammi in your list :hee:"I refuse to engage with it" as in, I refuse to engage with the insistence on arguing. I wasn't calling Brillo an "it". But we'll done for riling Brillo up further, I see she has amended her original fairly calm post based on your misunderstanding. Dumb ol' Cherie.

[Brillopad]

Yes.



I do understand the arguments in bold, but I'm not sure I agree. If anything, people having to admit to or use their old usernames would be able to prove they've changed even more so than if they weren't. If you knew it was them, and you could see they were changing, that seems a lot better to me in demonstrating someone's moved on than pretending they don't have a clue what you're on about. Stacey for example I don't think has ever denied she's back on the forum, but she has been remorseful and I'm sure most people would agree, has integrated herself well again.

It's baiting because if everybody knows which previously banned member you are and you continue to pretend otherwise, that is undoubtedly going to rub people up the wrong way - particularly if there's ill feeling there. If you just went 'yeah, it's me, sorry for what happened before, hopefully I can prove I've changed' then I'm sure many people (maybe some through gritted teeth) would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think lying helps anyone.

That assumes they were banned fairly in the first place and that other posters had no part to play in that who may not have been honest about their role in the issues. That would be no surprise.

Not everyone who has actually been banned necessarily was the guilty, or only guilty party. We are not always dealing with honest and reasonable people on this site and those who escaped a ban for whatever reason are never going to admit to their own bad behaviour. All these assumptions get on my wick as people seem to have no clue as to what some posters on here can be like.

[Brillopad]

"I refuse to engage with it" as in, I refuse to engage with the insistence on arguing. I wasn't calling Brillo an "it". But we'll done for riling Brillo up further, I see she has amended her original fairly calm post based on your misunderstanding. Silly Cherie.

Nothing to do with Cherry TS. My actions not hers.

[Toy Soldier]

So its about Withano and TS telling us all how marvelous and perceptive they are again?

i am so shocked


:laugh2:Yes confirming the facts. Alongside Brillo baiting, Cherie backing her up and making her angrier, and the usual ham-fisted LT attempts to bait.

Groundhog day

[Toy Soldier]

Nothing to do with Cherry TS. My actions not hers.You had already replied, I saw your original reply. Then Cherie made a post complaining about me saying "it" because she had completely misunderstood part of my post. Then you edited your own post to complain about the same thing. I'm not having a go, I'm just saying... That was the exact sequence of events... The posts and edits have time stamps on them :shrug:. I don't even want to argue, I'm just sick of people not calling a spade a spade.

[Smithy]

Maybe you should follow your own advice rather than suggest others do so.

:skull:

I’m not the one saying the forum is a toxic place, if you find it toxic, then leave, why stay? That was the point which you once again clearly missed

[Toy Soldier]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/11a279c9a1b483d5d9edf2c606221dd3/tenor.gif?itemid=5528365

The thing is people don't get permanently banned anymore (I think I'm right in saying that) so it's not really as much of an issue as it might be otherwise. And like Withano said, if a multi starts causing trouble they'll just be banned again. So I don't have a problem with it personally. Then again I've never been personally targeted by anyone on here so I can understand why other people might have a problem with it depending on who the multi is.The Truth got permanently banned not long ago, but that whole situation is a total mess and does include a large element of mod bias. In my opinion. I know they have their own justifications for it, but it is what it is.

[jet]

Yes confirming the facts. Alongside Brillo baiting, Cherie backing her up and making her angrier, and the usual ham-fisted LT attempts to bait.

Groundhog day

Only Brillo wasn't baiting. Your first post on here was baiting with 'So Brillo then' before she even got here, which she ignored. Brillo's first post was reasonable and the first one to respond to it was Withano. Those are the facts and it is typical of what usually happens.

[Brillopad]

:skull:

I’m not the one saying the forum is a toxic place, if you find it toxic, then leave, why stay? That was the point which you once again clearly missed

I missed nothing. If anyone leaves it should be those that make it toxic - not those that feel it has deteriorated to such a level. Sounds like a case of the bullies winning. Do you think the bullies should win then?

[smudgie]

I sometimes wonder if someone who is new is actually somebody else, not someone banned, just someone that has been here a good while then wants to go incognito for some reason.
Same style of posting, knows too much about other members views etc yet only been here for a week or two. :pipe:
They are very transparent or I am far too paranoid and need more meds.:joker:

[Brillopad]

You had already replied, I saw your original reply. Then Cherie made a post complaining about me saying "it" because she had completely misunderstood part of my post. Then you edited your own post to complain about the same thing. I'm not having a go, I'm just saying... That was the exact sequence of events... The posts and edits have time stamps on them :shrug:. I don't even want to argue, I'm just sick of people not calling a spade a spade.

I re-read your post and noticed it when I hadn't before. Don't try and put it on to Cherie. You see 1and1 doesn't always equal 2 when there are other variants in an equation.

[Smithy]

I missed nothing. If anyone leaves it should be those that make it toxic - not those that feel it has deteriorated to such a level. Sounds like a case of the bullies winning. Do you think the bullies should win then?

Well who are you to decide who makes the forum toxic? If you don’t like something, leave it’s as simple as that.

[Withano]

Only Brillo wasn't baiting. Your first post on here was baiting with 'So Brillo then' before she even got here, which she ignored. Brillo's first post was reasonable and the first one to respond to it was Withano. Those are the facts and it is typical of what usually happens.

Brillo's first response had nothing to do with the thread, nor was it reasonable though? If that is typical of what usually happens, it should stop.

[Toy Soldier]

Only Brillo wasn't baiting. Your first post on here was baiting with 'So Brillo then' before she even got here, which she ignored. Brillo's first post was reasonable and the first one to respond to it was Withano. Those are the facts and it is typical of what usually happens.I didn't say Brillo was baiting, Brillo doesn't really bait. LT was baiting. LT is usually baiting but for some reason we love him anyway :worry:.

I was probably baiting a bit with my first post but it's relevant to the thread and it's in the spirit of calling a spade a spade. Brillo is an old member who was banned under another username and came back but it gets consistently glossed over (both by staff and by Brillo herself who, to my knowledge, has never even outright confirmed it even though its fairly common knowledge) - which is what the thread was about. People like to skirt around things because of the whole "don't talk about other members" thing and it gets boring.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I refuse to be a mere baiter

i demand to be a WUM, Troll AND a baiter

the holy trinity of forum scum like wot i is

:hmph:

[Toy Soldier]

I re-read your post and noticed it when I hadn't before. Don't try and put it on to Cherie. You see 1and1 doesn't always equal 2 when there are other variants in an equation.Oh well. Either way, you are both mistaken and I wasn't calling you an "it", when I said "it" I was just talking about "the whole situation".

Apologies if that was in some way unclear and caused offense.

[Toy Soldier]

I refuse to be a mere baiter

i demand to be a WUM, Troll AND a baiter

the holy trinity of forum scum like wot i is

:hmph:From Google (yeah I had to Google...)

"WUM*means "Woman" or "Wind-Up Merchant" So now you know -*WUMmeans "Woman" or "Wind-Up Merchant" - don't thank us. YW!"

:omgno: so sexist...

[Brillopad]

Brillo's first response had nothing to do with the thread, nor was it reasonable though? If that is typical of what usually happens, it should stop.

Your constant baiting should stop. How you have the nerve to tell others how to behave when your own behaviour falls short by a long way would be comical if not so irritating. You are not bound by a different set of rules to the rest of us. So practice what you preach or shut up.

[jet]

Brillo's first response had nothing to do with the thread, nor was it reasonable though? If that is typical of what usually happens, it should stop.

It was relevant as Brillo was responding to something another member said about the topic with a reasonable comment. If you didn't think it worthy enough, why did you feel the need to engage and continue to if you are so adamant about posts being rigidly on topic.

[Toy Soldier]

To be fair, the thread topic is "the forum" so in theory there is no such thing as "off topic" on this thread :think:.

They're going to delete it though, just a matter of time before a mod digs them self out of the snow for long enough to find this thread and sink into despair. [emoji23]

[jet]

I didn't say Brillo was baiting, Brillo doesn't really bait. LT was baiting. LT is usually baiting but for some reason we love him anyway :worry:.

I was probably baiting a bit with my first post but it's relevant to the thread and it's in the spirit of calling a spade a spade. Brillo is an old member who was banned under another username and came back but it gets consistently glossed over (both by staff and by Brillo herself who, to my knowledge, has never even outright confirmed it even though its fairly common knowledge) - which is what the thread was about. People like to skirt around things because of the whole "don't talk about other members" thing and it gets boring.

But why does it matter and why does it have to be confirmed? I don't get it. :shrug:

[Toy Soldier]

But why does it matter and why does it have to be confirmed? I don't get it. :shrug:It doesn't really matter to me, I don't particularly agree with perm banning in the first place (except spammers), but it matters in the context of this thread because it was made by Parm - who generally agrees with and supports Brillo's posts - and the thread seems to have been made for him to, I guess, "call out" people that he DOESN'T like and perhaps have them re-banned.

So mostly, I was pointing out to Parm that a member he likes / supports is actually one of the "new account" members he's complaining about in his original post.

[Cherie]

Did someone call me silly :oh:

[Toy Soldier]

Did someone call me silly :oh:No... :umm2:

[jet]

No... :umm2:

Better get to that editing button pronto, you big fibber. :hehe:

[Twosugars]

Only this years models that think they spk for the rest of the forum about an already established member.

lol, I'm talking about banned old members masquerading as new ones
and you instead try to restrict members' right to speak out based on the length of membership
there's nothing wrong with a precocious bright young member :tongue:saying that an established one has been brain-farting in threads :wavey:
respect must be earned, the sweetest of parmnions :tongue:

[Twosugars]

... so Brillopad is a she? :puzzled:
next, you'll try to tell my that Underscore is not a young girl working in IT in East London :umm2:

[Niamh.]

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[jet]

https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif

:joker:

[Withano]

https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif

:joker:

[montblanc]

... so Brillopad is a she? :puzzled:
next, you'll try to tell my that Underscore is not a young girl working in IT in East London :umm2:

:joker::joker:

[Cherie]

Better get to that editing button pronto, you big fibber. :hehe:
:clap2:

[Cherie]

... so Brillopad is a she? :puzzled:
next, you'll try to tell my that Underscore is not a young girl working in IT in East London :umm2:

:joker:

[Lostie!]

https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif

:laugh2:

[Toy Soldier]

... so Brillopad is a she? :puzzled:
next, you'll try to tell my that Underscore is not a young girl working in IT in East London :umm2:

How DARE you!!

[Tom4784]

I'm all for permabanned members coming back, if they ask first and are prepared to show us that they've changed their ways when it came to why they were banned in the first place.

Stacey's an excellent example of this, I despised her as a member the first time around but after her permaban she went away, grew up and made her case when she asked to come back and we couldn't really find a fair reason to say no and she's shown that allowing her to come back was the right decision.

What I don't agree with is permabanned members deciding it's time to come back and creating another account just to carry on from where they left of. I think there has to be a process if you want to come back and if you ignore that process or mess up when you are allowed back, it should be an instant ban. A process that allows permabanned members to make a case to return under a condition of a probation period would be the best way to do it but I don't think it's ever likely to happen.

[Tom4784]

As for a claim earlier in the thread about members getting banned over their political beliefs......If that was the case and I banned people for that reason then only Withano and Kizzy would be posting in SD, given how staunchly right wing SD is, that's proof that you aren't being infracted or banned because of your views, that is just an excuse to glaze over the fact that you are responsible for your own actions and words that broke the rules and got you infracted.

[AnnieK]

Not everyone who posts in SD is staunchly right OR left wing. Some of us are far more neutral but don't bother as our views get lost in the myriad of arguments between the two sides. Neither hard left or right leaning people are good at listening to other views in my experience. Having said that, its actually interesting to watch the extremes play out in debates and on occasion I have changed my views on certain things so I don't find it as toxic as people make out. What does frustrate me is the whining that goes on and people sniping rather than debating in an adult fashion. Sometimes the actual arguments get lost in a world of " you're racist" "no I'm not, you are" type posts and then the whole thread descends into chaos

[Niamh.]

Not everyone who posts in SD is staunchly right OR left wing. Some of us are far more neutral but don't bother as our views get lost in the myriad of arguments between the two sides. Neither hard left or right leaning people are good at listening to other views in my experience. Having said that, its actually interesting to watch the extremes play out in debates and on occasion I have changed my views on certain things so I don't find it as toxic as people make out. What does frustrate me is the whining that goes on and people sniping rather than debating in an adult fashion.

Indeed.

[Cherie]

I am partial to a good whine on occasion :laugh: but as for SD being mainly on the right, I would say most members are fairly centre, with the odd one being far left or right

[Brillopad]

As for a claim earlier in the thread about members getting banned over their political beliefs......If that was the case and I banned people for that reason then only Withano and Kizzy would be posting in SD, given how staunchly right wing SD is, that's proof that you aren't being infracted or banned because of your views, that is just an excuse to glaze over the fact that you are responsible for your own actions and words that broke the rules and got you infracted.

There's no smoke without fire - and people with anti-left wing views do get banned more than those left wing posters also known to speak their mind who bait and insult others. It is hardly rocket science. Actions speak a lot louder than mere words.

[Toy Soldier]

Sometimes the actual arguments get lost in a world of " you're racist" "no I'm not, you are" type posts

No u.

[Twosugars]

:shocked: my post got removed :shrug:
an infraction coming? wwwhyyyyy :bawling:

[AnnieK]

No u.

Shut it :fist:

[Twosugars]

There's no smoke without fire - and people with anti-left wing views do get banned more than those left wing posters also known to speak their mind who bait and insult others. It is hardly rocket science. Actions speak a lot louder than mere words.
they do.
so let's see: this post of yours commenting on Dezzy's post is still here, but my post commenting on the same Dezzy's post has just been removed.

right wing good, left wing bad - is that better now?

[Northern Monkey]

Everyone seems so touchy in here.This place is so easy to light the blue touch paper,stand back and set into a blazing ball of flames.
I think if everyone stepped back,Took a deep breath,don’t give a **** and be a lone wolf then most of these mass tribal battles wouldn’t happen so often or atleast would’nt turn into Armagedon.
It’s only a BB forum.
The only time i think i let myself get vaguely miffed was when the Truth got unfairly(imo) banned but then i checked myself and thought ‘really who gives ****’ it’s a discussion forum.Its not important.
People on here seem to take delight in deliberately pushing each others buttons.Ones that they know all too well will set a burning inferno going.Everyone starts resenting each other.
It’s ok to have different opinions.It doesn’t mean the person you disagree with is an arsehole(though they might be).I don’t agree with loads of people on here on loads of stuff.Does’nt mean i dislike them.I don’t think anything is worth getting into bitey bitter arguments about.It’s just perspectives.
There’s some excellent posters on here that i disagree with on loads of stuff but can still see they still put up excellent thought provoking arguments.
Don’t take this **** so seriously.
At the end of the day.It’s all bollocks.

[Northern Monkey]

There's no smoke without fire - and people with anti-left wing views do get banned more than those left wing posters also known to speak their mind who bait and insult others. It is hardly rocket science. Actions speak a lot louder than mere words.

I don’t know if that’s actually true.I do think there is a definite non subtle left wing bias amongst the mods but not sure if there’s evidence for the banning.

[Twosugars]

Everyone seems so touchy in here.This place is so easy to light the blue touch paper,stand back and set into a blazing ball of flames.
I think if everyone stepped back,Took a deep breath,don’t give a **** and be a lone wolf then most of these mass tribal battles wouldn’t happen so often or atleast would’nt turn into Armagedon.
It’s only a BB forum.
The only time i think i let myself get vaguely miffed was when the Truth got unfairly(imo) banned but then i checked myself and thought ‘really who gives ****’ it’s a discussion forum.Its not important.
People on here seem to take delight in deliberately pushing each others buttons.Ones that they know all too well will set a burning inferno going.Everyone starts resenting each other.
It’s ok to have different opinions.It doesn’t mean the person you disagree with is an arsehole(though they might be).I don’t agree with loads of people on here on loads of stuff.Does’nt mean i dislike them.I don’t think anything is worth getting into bitey bitter arguments about.It’s just perspectives.
There’s some excellent posters on here that i disagree with on loads of stuff but can still see they still put up excellent thought provoking arguments.
Don’t take this **** so seriously.
At the end of the day.It’s all bollocks.

True.
Issues will evolve, positions will change and then we will all die and turn to dust.
Thanks, that's cheered me up :hee: It's funny how life makes you look forward to death.... or is it just me?:shrug:

[Northern Monkey]

True.
Issues will evolve, positions will change and then we will all die and turn to dust.
Thanks, that's cheered me up :hee: It's funny how life makes you look forward to death.... or is it just me?:shrug:

Not me.I wanna see the future.I wanna live til 100 atleast and see the technology and if we’ve got a base on Mars:laugh:

[Brillopad]

they do.
so let's see: this post of yours commenting on Dezzy's post is still here, but my post commenting on the same Dezzy's post has just been removed.

right wing good, left wing bad - is that better now?

Believe me Dezzy hates right wing - sounds like someone is trying to prove a point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SD Right Wing Young Team for eva

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kl8gc7LDwJ4/hqdefault.jpg

[Cherie]

Everyone seems so touchy in here.This place is so easy to light the blue touch paper,stand back and set into a blazing ball of flames.
I think if everyone stepped back,Took a deep breath,don’t give a **** and be a lone wolf then most of these mass tribal battles wouldn’t happen so often or atleast would’nt turn into Armagedon.
It’s only a BB forum.
The only time i think i let myself get vaguely miffed was when the Truth got unfairly(imo) banned but then i checked myself and thought ‘really who gives ****’ it’s a discussion forum.Its not important.
People on here seem to take delight in deliberately pushing each others buttons.Ones that they know all too well will set a burning inferno going.Everyone starts resenting each other.
It’s ok to have different opinions.It doesn’t mean the person you disagree with is an arsehole(though they might be).I don’t agree with loads of people on here on loads of stuff.Does’nt mean i dislike them.I don’t think anything is worth getting into bitey bitter arguments about.It’s just perspectives.
There’s some excellent posters on here that i disagree with on loads of stuff but can still see they still put up excellent thought provoking arguments.
Don’t take this **** so seriously.
At the end of the day.It’s all bollocks.

too true

[bots]

i have to laugh, the majority of posters on this forum are of a left of center persuasion. Look back at the General Election thread(s) if proof is needed.

For me its not so much about political differences, its about fundamentally different priorities in life. Young people are just not going to have the same priorities as those who have been around the block and this forum is hugely weighted toward the younger viewpoint.

Lets see what the situation is after another couple of generations of Big Brother :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Not me.I wanna see the future.I wanna live til 100 atleast and see the technology and if we’ve got a base on Mars:laugh:
don't get me started on space exploration :rant:
we should be on Mars now!
as soon as space race with the Soviets ended they let things slide and go to ****
space exploration should be a priority over endless trillions spent on military
if it got just 10% of defence spending we would be on Mars now

we were born too early. another 100 years or so and you'll probably be able to upload yourself to a crystal or something and "live" forever

[Brillopad]

I don’t know if that’s actually true.I do think there is a definite non subtle left wing bias amongst the mods but not sure if there’s evidence for the banning.

Not so subtle with some.

[Northern Monkey]

don't get me started on space exploration :rant:
we should be on Mars now!
as soon as space rivalry with the Soviets ended they let things slide and go to ****
space exploration should be a priority over endless trillions spent on military
if it got just 10% of defence spending we would on Mars now

My dream for space exploration and Serious Debates & News is for everyone to just put down their nukes and concentrate on the common goal of reaching new heights.

Seriously though.The nuclear arms race was very useful to the world.It got us into space and on the moon much quicker and most likely prevented a Third World War but now is the time i think for every country to multilaterally scrap their nuclear weapons programs and turn those nukes into power for advanced spacecraft to get us to Proxima Centauri and also explore Mars and find the tenth planet in our solar system.

[Toy Soldier]

i have to laugh, the majority of posters on this forum are of a left of center persuasion. Look back at the General Election thread(s) if proof is needed.

For me its not so much about political differences, its about fundamentally different priorities in life. Young people are just not going to have the same priorities as those who have been around the block and this forum is hugely weighted toward the younger viewpoint.

Lets see what the situation is after another couple of generations of Big Brother [emoji23]SD's is skewed (quite heavily) towards 35+ tho. The overall forum might be "younger" but to suggest that regular SD posters are on average "youngsters" is just false.

[Twosugars]

My dream for space exploration and Serious Debates & News is for everyone to just put down their nukes and concentrate on the common goal of reaching new heights.

Seriously though.The nuclear arms race was very useful to the world.It got us into space and on the moon much quicker and most likely prevented a Third World War but now is the time i think for every country to multilaterally scrap their nuclear weapons programs and turn those nukes into power for advanced spacecraft to get us to Proxima Centauri and also explore Mars and find the tenth planet in our solar system.

agreed

my, you dream big :laugh: Proxima Centauri?! We need to discover some new physics for that to happen, which we will but not for a while yet
I'd be happy with Mars and mining some asteroids. And maybe some terraforming stuff like deflecting Sun from places that are too hot on Earth (Sahara is slowly increasing) and warming up Mars for future colonisation

[Niamh.]

Everyone seems so touchy in here.This place is so easy to light the blue touch paper,stand back and set into a blazing ball of flames.
I think if everyone stepped back,Took a deep breath,don’t give a **** and be a lone wolf then most of these mass tribal battles wouldn’t happen so often or atleast would’nt turn into Armagedon.
It’s only a BB forum.
The only time i think i let myself get vaguely miffed was when the Truth got unfairly(imo) banned but then i checked myself and thought ‘really who gives ****’ it’s a discussion forum.Its not important.
People on here seem to take delight in deliberately pushing each others buttons.Ones that they know all too well will set a burning inferno going.Everyone starts resenting each other.
It’s ok to have different opinions.It doesn’t mean the person you disagree with is an arsehole(though they might be).I don’t agree with loads of people on here on loads of stuff.Does’nt mean i dislike them.I don’t think anything is worth getting into bitey bitter arguments about.It’s just perspectives.
There’s some excellent posters on here that i disagree with on loads of stuff but can still see they still put up excellent thought provoking arguments.
Don’t take this **** so seriously.
At the end of the day.It’s all bollocks.[emoji122]

[Twosugars]

It'd also help if all political thread being opened every day were not anti-labour (Monkey of the North, I'm looking at you). We all know there's more than enough material to bash the Tories.

[Marsh.]

Well Kirk isn't back unfortunately, his style would be spotted right away. I miss him, and I even miss The Truth. This forum has a way of killing off the characters.
The Truth wasn't a character he was a bigoted troll.

When the likes of scum like him are allowed to fill forum's with sh*t is when you question what you want your forum to be.

[Marsh.]

I know, he wisely removed himself from the toxicity.
Yet you miss the biggest contributor to the toxicity in the truth. Go figure.

[Cherie]

All political parties have their pros and cons, whoever is in power someone is being screwed over, usually those in the middle who earn too much to qualify for any benefits but not enough to squirrel it offshore, and they all look after themselves, there has been no pay freeze for MPs whoever is in power or no adverse affect on their gold plated pensions

[Marsh.]

Only an annoyance with those who think they shouldn't be banned when others would see it differently. Fed up with those that hide behind others. Do you have reason to think you are in the know then. All fluff and nonsense.

Ironic post given you're talking about banned people thinking they don't deserve bans and are talking about things you aren't privy to.

Amazes me how you constantly pull others up on things you yourself do constantly.

[Brillopad]

Yet you miss the biggest contributor to the toxicity in the truth. Go figure.

Jet has his opinion. You have yours. Just because you think your opinion is right does not make it so. Many agree with Jet.

[Toy Soldier]

Jet has his opinion. You have yours. Just because you think your opinion is right does not make it so. Many agree with Jet.And SOME people are COPS.

[Northern Monkey]

It'd also help if all political thread being opened every day were not anti-labour (Monkey of the North, I'm looking at you). We all know there's more than enough material to bash the Tories.

I actually voted Labour in the last GE just because i felt like i should vote.
Only Labour piss me off more than the Tories because they’re disappointing me more by the day.I expect the Tories to be ***** and have never voted for them.Although they seem more sensible than current Labour even though May is f’king useless.
I want to be able to support a good more centrist realistic Labour party but with comrade Corbyn i’m politically homeless and won’t vote again probably for years unless a new party comes along.
All this PC and anti-British and Momentum takeover is currently the thing annoying me.That’s why i create anti Labour threads when i read something ridiculous it’s usually from them.

[Marsh.]

Jet has his opinion. You have yours. Just because you think your opinion is right does not make it so. Many agree with Jet.
This has nothing to do with what I actually said. Don't bother responding unless it is.

[Brillopad]

Ironic post given you're talking about banned people thinking they don't deserve bans and are talking about things you aren't privy to.

Amazes me how you constantly pull others up on things you yourself do constantly.

No doubt many don't feel they deserve them, I have seen plenty of people saying that, I don't need to be privy to anything. I report what I hear.

You are in a pretty fragile glass house yourself so in no position to make such comments.

[jet]

The Truth wasn't a character he was a bigoted troll.

When the likes of scum like him are allowed to fill forum's with sh*t is when you question what you want your forum to be.

Posters calling other posters 'Bigoted', 'troll', 'scum' is what I call toxic, not opposing views to mine. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

No doubt many don't feel they deserve them, I have seen plenty of people saying that, I don't need to be privy to anything. I report what I hear.

You are in a pretty fragile glass house yourself so in no position to make such comments.
Fragile glass house? :joker:

Didn't you just make comment about people who are never banned looking down on the ones who are and just because they haven't beeb banned doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be since it's at a mods discretion.

You're showing your hypocrisy again.

[Withano]

Is the right/left, tory/labour, remain/leave divide even relevant anymore though?

The most recently discussed threads on this section are
Toys R Us
Multi accounts
The weather
Patriotism
Snowmen
Diabetes
10p coins

I think people are still habitually agreeing and fighting with those they know to be (un)like them on the political side of things.

Hardly anybody in this thread has even responded to the OP!

Thats how I see it anyway. I had Kaz reiterate her views on the OP to me and questioning my views, despite my views on the OP being very similar to hers... Brillo came on and just disagreed with Smithy without responding herself, Cherie came on and just applauded Brillo without responding herself... Parm did the same despite Brillos post being nothing to do with the thread he created!

I'm sure there are other examples, it just seems like people are ready to disagree with those that theyre used to disagreeing with, without even reading their views, and agreeing with the same old people in every thread regardless too.

[Marsh.]

Posters calling other posters 'Bigoted', 'troll', 'scum' is what I call toxic, not opposing views to mine. :shrug:
So you're going to assume people like myself are calling him bigoted because he had different views and not because he actually earned his ban through being abusive and bigoted.

If you were not on the receiving end of his abuse it's easy to brush it off.

Calling bigotry what it is, is toxic? Even when it's accurate?

[Twosugars]

I actually voted Labour in the last GE just because i felt like i should vote.
Only Labour piss me off more than the Tories because they’re disappointing me more by the day.I expect the Tories to be ***** and have never voted for them.Although they seem more sensible than current Labour even though May is f’king useless.
I want to be able to support a good more centrist realistic Labour party but with comrade Corbyn i’m politically homeless and won’t vote again probably for years unless a new party comes along.
All this PC and anti-British and Momentum takeover is currently the thing annoying me.That’s why i create anti Labour threads when i read something ridiculous it’s usually from them.

I'm centrist too and thought Corbyn would be a goner after 2015 GE. But he proved me wrong with a relatively decent campaign. I still have my reservations (mainly over his foreign policy pronouncements) but decided to give him a chance. Still not keen on some internal labour politics though. Being in power usually checks wackier ideas and he should end up in the centre after all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think Rob has a lot to answer for

[Beso]

I dont know what her views are (maybe we're thinking of different people), and as I've said, these are the only two 'rejoining' members that i know of, so it would be difficult for me to 'call all the banned members out'.. obviously.
But it looks like we're thinking on a similar line, Kaz. You were a bit too eager to fight there :shrug:

Im betting both are friends of yours hence the reluctance to name them..and i would put brillos life on the fact that you have only not reported them for the same reason.

[Withano]

Im betting both are friends of yours hence the reluctance to name them..and i would put brillos life on the fact that you have only not reported them for the same reason.

Well one of the two people was Brillo lol, in both cases, the mods found out before me, so I never reported either.

[Beso]

This thread is such a mess :joker:. Withano... I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you're the only one still regularly rising to Brillo. She is pretty much only here to argue - if you don't engage, she doesn't post. I tested this out a few months ago, by not engaging with it for ages in a massive thread. She barely posted at all. Then I deliberately gave a small "in" for her to kick off and I swear she was there within 5 minutes with the "OH YEAH AND WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH".

She's just watching threads and waiting for an opportunity to argue :shrug:. The mods know fine well and don't seem to care, so it really is pointless to bother.

It's a shame really as I actually think Brillo is perfectly CAPABLE of making sound and reasonable posts... She just seems to thrive on all of the other crap :shrug:. Especially when it prompts the same handful of members to start posting "in support" (Kazanne, Cherie, Jaxie, Parm, sometimes Alf).

Its like groundhog day except without the affable performance of Bill Murray. Boring af. We all need to stop doing it ffs.

(The irony that I am doing it right now doesn't escape me btw... And I'm sure this will promptly be deleted... But honestly this nonsense has been going on for YEARS at this point. Every thread turning into the same basic thread with the same posts, from the same people, over and over and over...)

Dont bring me into this...i dont even ever recall quoting brillo once.....i do enjoy reading her(also news to me) though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

On a serious not in SD the left wing people have a far far thinner skin and get quite affronted when their pearls of wisdom get trashed. I think its down to them being younger and more idealistic?

[Beso]

What exactly are you suspicious of and how does it affect your use of the forum?

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.

[Beso]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Jack said it better cherie.

[Niamh.]

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.I don't know which member you're talking about Parmnion but have you reported them or PMd a mod or admin with your suspicions that they might be a multi?

[Marsh.]

Wait... Brillo.... who has just tried to bait me with a condescending remark about glass houses is actually a former permabanned member? :skull:

Now that's a glass house I've never entered. :idc:

[Cherie]

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.

I get you now

[Beso]

You had already replied, I saw your original reply. Then Cherie made a post complaining about me saying "it" because she had completely misunderstood part of my post. Then you edited your own post to complain about the same thing. I'm not having a go, I'm just saying... That was the exact sequence of events... The posts and edits have time stamps on them :shrug:. I don't even want to argue, I'm just sick of people not calling a spade a spade.

I read it as you calling brillopad an it as well...sorry.:joker:

[Cherie]

Is the right/left, tory/labour, remain/leave divide even relevant anymore though?

The most recently discussed threads on this section are
Toys R Us
Multi accounts
The weather
Patriotism
Snowmen
Diabetes
10p coins

I think people are still habitually agreeing and fighting with those they know to be (un)like them on the political side of things.

Hardly anybody in this thread has even responded to the OP!

Thats how I see it anyway. I had Kaz reiterate her views on the OP to me and questioning my views, despite my views on the OP being very similar to hers... Brillo came on and just disagreed with Smithy without responding herself, Cherie came on and just applauded Brillo without responding herself... Parm did the same despite Brillos post being nothing to do with the thread he created!

I'm sure there are other examples, it just seems like people are ready to disagree with those that theyre used to disagreeing with, without even reading their views, and agreeing with the same old people in every thread regardless too.


I'm featuring in more posts than Jeremy Corbyn today :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

so who are the perma returnees

Brillo

and who else

lets get this out

[Marsh.]

I just don't understand the point of their original account being permabanned if there is no such thing as a permaban.

Let them back if you want but allowing them back under a new username is just plain odd.

Especially as the rule on multis is still there.

[Marsh.]

On a serious not in SD the left wing people have a far far thinner skin and get quite affronted when their pearls of wisdom get trashed. I think its down to them being younger and more idealistic?
SD.... young.


No no no stop being so ridiculous.

[Beso]

I sometimes wonder if someone who is new is actually somebody else, not someone banned, just someone that has been here a good while then wants to go incognito for some reason.
Same style of posting, knows too much about other members views etc yet only been here for a week or two. :pipe:
They are very transparent or I am far too paranoid and need more meds.:joker:

This is what enspired the thread.:hee:

[Marsh.]

I wonder what inspired the thread though. :think:

[Withano]

I just don't understand the point of their original account being permabanned if there is no such thing as a permaban.

Let them back if you want but allowing them back under a new username is just plain odd.

Especially as the rule on multis is still there.

I disagree, I think taking their old username out of peoples consciousness is a healthy idea.. if the Truth came back, for example, I don't think it should be under that username. He should come back, be upfront about being the Truth, claim hes changed and grown up etc, and then post under his new username with a hopefully more pleasant posting style.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SD.... young.


No no no stop being so ridiculous.

stop getting affronted with your thin skin :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I disagree, I think taking their old username out of peoples consciousness is a healthy idea.. if the Truth came back, for example, I don't think it should be under that username. He should come back, be upfront about being the Truth, claim hes changed and grown up etc, and then post under his new username with a hopefully more pleasant posting style.

agreed, he could change it to say Womanhata123 or Bitchkiller?

[Niamh.]

agreed, he could change it to say Womanhata123 or Bitchkiller?🤣

[Marsh.]

I disagree, I think taking their old username out of peoples consciousness is a healthy idea.. if the Truth came back, for example, I don't think it should be under that username. He should come back, be upfront about being the Truth, claim hes changed and grown up etc, and then post under his new username with a hopefully more pleasant posting style.
I don't agree with allowing them back full stop tbh. They were obviously perma'd for a reason.

The only time I think ok is in the case of it being several years and that person was a kid and has grown up since. Like Stacey. Banned for essentially being so childish and came back years later as an adult.

[Beso]

It doesn't really matter to me, I don't particularly agree with perm banning in the first place (except spammers), but it matters in the context of this thread because it was made by Parm - who generally agrees with and supports Brillo's posts - and the thread seems to have been made for him to, I guess, "call out" people that he DOESN'T like and perhaps have them re-banned.

So mostly, I was pointing out to Parm that a member he likes / supports is actually one of the "new account" members he's complaining about in his original post.

Listen, i dont get this me and brillo thing at all....i like to think i run solo on here...made a couple of people like me enough to laugh at my crap...everyone else probably thinks im a bit if a dick...but i can live with that...

[Cherie]

I don't agree with allowing them back full stop tbh. They were obviously perma'd for a reason.

The only time I think ok is in the case of it being several years and that person was a kid and has grown up since. Like Stacey. Banned for essentially being so childish and came back years later as an adult.

I won't campaign for you when you get a perma :hmph:

[Marsh.]

stop getting affronted with your thin skin :nono:
Jealous because my skin is still tight and wrinklefree? :oh:

[Marsh.]

I won't campaign for you when you get a perma :hmph:
I've never done anything serious enough to warrant one. :angel:

[Cherie]

Listen, i dont get this me and brillo thing at all....i like to think i run solo on here...made a couple of people like me enough to laugh at my crap...everyone else probably thinks im a bit if a dick...but i can live with that...

We disagree a lot of the time but I am also in this gang

[Beso]

lol, I'm talking about banned old members masquerading as new ones
and you instead try to restrict members' right to speak out based on the length of membership
there's nothing wrong with a precocious bright young member :tongue:saying that an established one has been brain-farting in threads :wavey:
respect must be earned, the sweetest of parmnions :tongue:

Im watching you.:nono:...

[Marsh.]

We disagree a lot of the time but I am also in this gang
Ganghanded? Look at you, your eyes lit up then.

[Cherie]

Ganghanded? Look at you, your eyes lit up then.

I'm the leader :smug:

[Brillopad]

I've never done anything serious enough to warrant one. :angel:

What do you think is serious enough then. Sounds like you don’t have a clue if you think permanent-banned members have necessarily done something really bad. But of course you aren’t privy to that information are you so you can only assume.

[Beso]

I don't know which member you're talking about Parmnion but have you reported them or PMd a mod or admin with your suspicions that they might be a multi?

No..im not feeling hard done by from the mods today so ive let them be.

[Beso]

so who are the perma returnees

Brillo

and who else

lets get this out

:clap1:

[Brillopad]

I don't agree with allowing them back full stop tbh. They were obviously perma'd for a reason.

The only time I think ok is in the case of it being several years and that person was a kid and has grown up since. Like Stacey. Banned for essentially being so childish and came back years later as an adult.

Remind me how many times you have been banned - those in glass houses and all that. Skating on pretty thin ice yourself. Are you a kid then?

[Beso]

I wonder what inspired the thread though. :think:

If you're going down that root you will be a busy man with my posts.:hee:

[Brillopad]

Listen, i dont get this me and brillo thing at all....i like to think i run solo on here...made a couple of people like me enough to laugh at my crap...everyone else probably thinks im a bit if a dick...but i can live with that...

Funny I was thinking the same thing. I think some are making it up as they go along.

[Kazanne]

Everyone seems so touchy in here.This place is so easy to light the blue touch paper,stand back and set into a blazing ball of flames.
I think if everyone stepped back,Took a deep breath,don’t give a **** and be a lone wolf then most of these mass tribal battles wouldn’t happen so often or atleast would’nt turn into Armagedon.
It’s only a BB forum.
The only time i think i let myself get vaguely miffed was when the Truth got unfairly(imo) banned but then i checked myself and thought ‘really who gives ****’ it’s a discussion forum.Its not important.
People on here seem to take delight in deliberately pushing each others buttons.Ones that they know all too well will set a burning inferno going.Everyone starts resenting each other.
It’s ok to have different opinions.It doesn’t mean the person you disagree with is an arsehole(though they might be).I don’t agree with loads of people on here on loads of stuff.Does’nt mean i dislike them.I don’t think anything is worth getting into bitey bitter arguments about.It’s just perspectives.
There’s some excellent posters on here that i disagree with on loads of stuff but can still see they still put up excellent thought provoking arguments.
Don’t take this **** so seriously.
At the end of the day.It’s all bollocks.

Yes , who really cares if banned people come back , I quite liked the Truth aswell even tough he was controversial at times he made some good points as have others who have gone, Good post NM.:wavey:

[Marsh.]

What do you think is serious enough then. Sounds like you don’t have a clue if you think permanent-banned members have necessarily done something really bad. But of course you aren’t privy to that information are you so you can only assume.
Serious enough that they feel you can't remain on the forum. Obviously.

I don't need to explain myself to you.

[Beso]

Funny I was thinking the same thing. I think some are making it up as they go along.

Only thing i notice of you is the way you get attacked left right and centre...yet you fight back well....alone most of the time against sometimes up to 5 people..i dont know how you do it.:blush:

[Brillopad]

Fragile glass house? :joker:

Didn't you just make comment about people who are never banned looking down on the ones who are and just because they haven't beeb banned doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be since it's at a mods discretion.

You're showing your hypocrisy again.

No I didn’t . Your interpretation which is a bit screwed.

[Cherie]

Only thing i notice of you is the way you get attacked left right and centre...yet you fight back well....alone most of the time against sometimes up to 5 people..i dont know how you do it.:blush:

Indeed, and if anyone steps in because it's so uncomfortable to read they get shut down by gang claims

[Beso]

Indeed, and if anyone steps in because it's so uncomfortable to read they get shut down by gang claims

Uncomfortable..


Well bloomin said Cherie.

[Smithy]

What I don't agree with is permabanned members deciding it's time to come back and creating another account just to carry on from where they left of. I think there has to be a process if you want to come back and if you ignore that process or mess up when you are allowed back, it should be an instant ban. A process that allows permabanned members to make a case to return under a condition of a probation period would be the best way to do it but I don't think it's ever likely to happen.

@ the rest of the mods/admin why isn’t this the case 🗣🗣

[Withano]

Only thing i notice of you is the way you get attacked left right and centre...yet you fight back well....alone most of the time against sometimes up to 5 people..i dont know how you do it.:blush:

You're being incredibly inconsistent if you dont mind me saying. What rule are you hoping to enforce regarding previously perma'd members?

[Marsh.]

Remind me how many times you have been banned - those in glass houses and all that. Skating on pretty thin ice yourself. Are you a kid then?
Build up of infractions. I'm entitled to my views without needing them policed by you.

You have been permabanned so pop down off that pedestal.

I've never been perma'd so your kid comment is nothing but needless baiting.

This thread is not about you

[Marsh.]

If you're going down that root you will be a busy man with my posts.:hee:
Perched.

[Smithy]

Indeed, and if anyone steps in because it's so uncomfortable to read they get shut down by gang claims

If you’re uncomfortable....leave? It’s the internet :facepalm:

[Beso]

You're being incredibly inconsistent if you dont mind me saying. What rule are you hoping to enforce regarding previously perma'd members?


Stopping them winding me up enough to start a thread would be the only one.

[Marsh.]

No I didn’t . Your interpretation which is a bit screwed.
Focus less on me and more on the thread topic. :thumbs:

[Withano]

Stopping them winding me up enough to start a thread would be the only one.

Was kinda hoping for a serious answer, which member are you on about by the way. I'm assuming its not one of the two members who have been brought up in the thread so far.

[Marsh.]

Indeed, and if anyone steps in because it's so uncomfortable to read they get shut down by gang claims
:clap1:

Gang is the favourite word on here no matter which section you post in.

[Brillopad]

Build up of infractions. I'm entitled to my views without needing them policed by you.

You have been permabanned so pop down off that pedestal.

I've never been perma'd so your kid comment is nothing but needless baiting.

This thread is not about you

You don’t know why do you so get off your pedastal. Of course it isn’t about me but some insist on trying to make it so. :shrug:

[Brillopad]

Focus less on me and more on the thread topic. :thumbs:

Oh ditto my dear. :hehe:

[Marsh.]

You don’t know why do you so get off your pedastal. Of course it isn’t about me but some insist on trying to make it so. :shrug:
No I don't know. I didn't pretend to know. I don't even care to know.

This thread is not about you.

I responded to the insinuation that as a member whose been banned I wasn't allowed to provide my opinion in the thread. Coming from a former permabanned member it's quite the needless hypocrisy.

[Cherie]

If you’re uncomfortable....leave? It’s the internet :facepalm:

Why should I leave? I would do the same in rl if I saw someone being unfairly targeted

[Withano]

Oh ditto my dear. :hehe:

Youve made 38 posts in this thread, and not one has been in response to the thread topic.

[Brillopad]

No I don't know. I didn't pretend to know. I don't even care to know.

This thread is not about you.

Stop making it so then.

[Toy Soldier]

Serious enough that they feel you can't remain on the forum. Obviously.

I don't need to explain myself to you.

Thing is though, the only person I know of who has been permabanned while I've been here (TheTruth) and I don't think he had one specific "terrible thing", just the same **** he was doing for years but the staff decided had gone on long enough? :think:. I'm not saying they ever had to accept his rhetoric if they didn't want to... just that it seems odd that it WAS allowed to go on for many years and then a permanent ban, without much other action being taken first. And I hate to say it but... in the spirit again of calling a spade a spade; he had a major-ish run in with Vicky in a thread (member-to-member not member-to-mod) and then pissed off Niamh in another large thread... and within a week he was perma banned.

Again I'm not saying that the things he was saying were fine or acceptable but it was the same stuff he had been ranting for literally years at other members all across the forum without being banned... and then after a couple of run ins with staff he was gone. It was never really explained in anything more than a wishy-washy way... and I personally think there's still a pretty major question mark hanging over it :shrug:. If it was the star of a major policy overhaul that would be one thing... but nothing has changed in regards to other people with similar rants / opinions.

My only two theories are that either it's because he went to battle with the wrong people, OR that somehow misogyny has become TiBB's #1 felony and everything else is still pretty much OK.

[Brillopad]

Youve made 38 posts in this thread, and not one has been in response to the thread topic.

I worry about people counting posts - you need to get a new hobby.

[Beso]

Was kinda hoping for a serious answer, which member are you on about by the way. I'm assuming its not one of the two members who have been brought up in the thread so far.

Its more about multis than banned members...i would follow the rule set out in the rules and ban both accounts..one perma and one for 2weeks.....

Like i got in about 2012.

[Marsh.]

Stop making it so then.
I haven't. But this is usually how you operate. You make a hypocritical statement and then spend pages upon pages talking about yourself.

No more. I'm not interested. Bye.

[Withano]

I worry about people counting posts - you need to get a new hobby.

I'll teach you about the forum features another day. Today you should probably focus on responding to the thread topic.

[Toy Soldier]

Funny I was thinking the same thing. I think some are making it up as they go along.

Only thing i notice of you is the way you get attacked left right and centre...yet you fight back well....alone most of the time against sometimes up to 5 people..i dont know how you do it.:blush:

Indeed, and if anyone steps in because it's so uncomfortable to read they get shut down by gang claims

You're literally both doing it right now :joker:

[Beso]

:clap1:

Gang is the favourite word on here no matter which section you post in.

Out of the thousands on offer in the thread you picked this one...stop it.:nono:

[Smithy]

Thing is though, the only person I know of who has been permabanned while I've been here (TheTruth) and I don't think he had one specific "terrible thing", just the same **** he was doing for years but the staff decided had gone on long enough? :think:. I'm not saying they ever had to accept his rhetoric if they didn't want to... just that it seems odd that it WAS allowed to go on for many years and then a permanent ban, without much other action being taken first. And I hate to say it but... in the spirit again of calling a spade a spade; he had a major-ish run in with Vicky in a thread (member-to-member not member-to-mod) and then pissed off Niamh in another large thread... and within a week he was perma banned.

Again I'm not saying that the things he was saying were fine or acceptable but it was the same stuff he had been ranting for literally years at other members all across the forum without being banned... and then after a couple of run ins with staff he was gone. It was never really explained in anything more than a wishy-washy way... and I personally think there's still a pretty major question mark hanging over it :shrug:. If it was the star of a major policy overhaul that would be one thing... but nothing has changed in regards to other people with similar rants / opinions.

My only two theories are that either it's because he went to battle with the wrong people, OR that somehow misogyny has become TiBB's #1 felony and everything else is still pretty much OK.

Or you know, the constant rule breaking and ignoring the reasons for his infractions thereby clearly not learning from them, led to the mods finally pulling their finger out of their arses? :idc: idk just a theory

[Marsh.]

Thing is though, the only person I know of who has been permabanned while I've been here (TheTruth) and I don't think he had one specific "terrible thing", just the same **** he was doing for years but the staff decided had gone on long enough? :think:. I'm not saying they ever had to accept his rhetoric if they didn't want to... just that it seems odd that it WAS allowed to go on for many years and then a permanent ban, without much other action being taken first. And I hate to say it but... in the spirit again of calling a spade a spade; he had a major-ish run in with Vicky in a thread (member-to-member not member-to-mod) and then pissed off Niamh in another large thread... and within a week he was perma banned.

Again I'm not saying that the things he was saying were fine or acceptable but it was the same stuff he had been ranting for literally years at other members all across the forum without being banned... and then after a couple of run ins with staff he was gone. It was never really explained in anything more than a wishy-washy way... and I personally think there's still a pretty major question mark hanging over it :shrug:. If it was the star of a major policy overhaul that would be one thing... but nothing has changed in regards to other people with similar rants / opinions.

My only two theories are that either it's because he went to battle with the wrong people, OR that somehow misogyny has become TiBB's #1 felony and everything else is still pretty much OK.
Oh I completely agree.

The inconsistent application of the rules is the biggest problem out of everything.

In regards to him I think it was more everyone feeling he should be banned as he wasn't contributing much but there's only a couple of people who can apply permabans. I don't think any mod can do it so it was them disagreeing for so long.

There needs to be a fixed rule in place though that applies equally.

[Brillopad]

I haven't. But this is usually how you operate. You make a hypocritical statement and then spend pages upon pages talking about yourself.

No more. I'm not interested. Bye.

No I don’t - you are just conveniently buying into Withano’s screwed theories - no surprises there.

[Cherie]

You're literally both doing it right now :joker:

no

[Cherie]

Or you know, the constant rule breaking and ignoring the reasons for his infractions thereby clearly not learning from them, led to the mods finally pulling their finger out of their arses? :idc: idk just a theory

We are not talking about Morsh

[Withano]

I haven't. But this is usually how you operate. You make a hypocritical statement and then spend pages upon pages talking about yourself.

No more. I'm not interested. Bye.

Literally this. She rarely responds to the thread topic, its just a compulsive need to discuss herself or others. Its so boring watching her constantly derail perfectly interesting threads.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this thread was a celeb it would be

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/27/article-2569195-1BE04DB700000578-438_634x678.jpg

[Cherie]

Thing is though, the only person I know of who has been permabanned while I've been here (TheTruth) and I don't think he had one specific "terrible thing", just the same **** he was doing for years but the staff decided had gone on long enough? :think:. I'm not saying they ever had to accept his rhetoric if they didn't want to... just that it seems odd that it WAS allowed to go on for many years and then a permanent ban, without much other action being taken first. And I hate to say it but... in the spirit again of calling a spade a spade; he had a major-ish run in with Vicky in a thread (member-to-member not member-to-mod) and then pissed off Niamh in another large thread... and within a week he was perma banned.

Again I'm not saying that the things he was saying were fine or acceptable but it was the same stuff he had been ranting for literally years at other members all across the forum without being banned... and then after a couple of run ins with staff he was gone. It was never really explained in anything more than a wishy-washy way... and I personally think there's still a pretty major question mark hanging over it :shrug:. If it was the star of a major policy overhaul that would be one thing... but nothing has changed in regards to other people with similar rants / opinions.

My only two theories are that either it's because he went to battle with the wrong people, OR that somehow misogyny has become TiBB's #1 felony and everything else is still pretty much OK.

Don't mess with Niamh and Vicky :laugh:

[Smithy]

We are not talking about Morsh

Sorry is this not like, complete baiting? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Amy Jade]

I just don't understand the point of their original account being permabanned if there is no such thing as a permaban.

Let them back if you want but allowing them back under a new username is just plain odd.

Especially as the rule on multis is still there.

I agree with this.

Letting people back under new names just causes people to presume new members are multis and they get treated pretty badly by some members, DouglasS/MeMyselfandI is a prime example of someone coming back to simply cause trouble but being allowed back all the same.

He was allowed back and almost straight away he got caught cheating in the pub quiz and make it seem like it was Luke. How long until he acts out again?

[Beso]

Literally this. She rarely responds to the thread topic, its just a compulsive need to discuss herself or others. Its so boring watching her constantly derail perfectly interesting threads.


It must be hard to stay on topic when you have five quoted posts to reply to...your inability to see this astounds me.:shrug:

[Toy Soldier]

Or you know, the constant rule breaking and ignoring the reasons for his infractions thereby clearly not learning from them, led to the mods finally pulling their finger out of their arses? :idc: idk just a theory

Perfectly good reason to ban him, yes, BUT the reason there's a question mark is that there are plenty of people guilty of this who are still posting away... and frankly, as bad as Truth was, I wouldn't say he was even in the top 5 worst. So why, specifically, was Truth made "the example" and permabanned? And without it being an ongoing policy of permabanning people guilty of what you describe?

Again I have to go back to the two possibilities: 1) he pissed off the wrong people on the wrong day or 2) his major issue generally was misogyny and that's considered by staff to be "a worse crime" (or rather, something they can't deal with seeing) MORE than other similar offenses, and the "reasoning" for the permaban was cobbled together after the decision was already made.

[Marsh.]

Out of the thousands on offer in the thread you picked this one...stop it.:nono:
:unsure: stop what?

Quoting Cherie?

[Brillopad]

Literally this. She rarely responds to the thread topic, its just a compulsive need to discuss herself or others. Its so boring watching her constantly derail perfectly interesting threads.

You have a compulsive need to discuss me which clearly has not gone unnoticed by others. You need to keep yourself in check mate. You create the situation and then try to put it on me. You are a devious so and so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry is this not like, complete baiting? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Id expect if anyone would know... it would be you

:hehe:


which in itself is a baiting post

:oh:

[Marsh.]

No I don’t - you are just conveniently buying into Withano’s screwed theories - no surprises there.
Withano has nothing to do with the bullsh*t your posting in response to me.

This is the last off topic rubbish I will respond to.

[Withano]

It must be hard to stay on topic when you have five quoted posts to reply to...your inability to see this astounds me.:shrug:

Right.. but coming into threads, ignoring the OP, and instantly replying in disagreeance with someone whilst usually talking about herself or others wont help, obviously. Its what happened in this thread, its what happens regularly when she gets into SD&N.

[Cherie]

Sorry is this not like, complete baiting? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lighten up Marsh can take a joke