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Denver
03-03-2018, 11:00 AM
Is he serious? the country is already in debt and he wants to waste 100s of millions on another pointless election process.
Time to retire old man
Cherie
03-03-2018, 11:03 AM
Is he serious? the country is already in debt and he wants to waste 100s of millions on another pointless election process.
Time to retire old man
is there a link? if he does this is as bad as Nicola wanting a referendum, its not the time to go to the Polls, we have enough on our plate and its just him grasping at an opportunity to get into power with no thought for the country who are fed up to the back teeth with politicians and elections
Denver
03-03-2018, 11:06 AM
is there a link? if he does this is as bad as Nicola wanting a referendum, its not the time to go to the Polls, we have enough on our plate and its just him grasping at an opportunity to get into power with no thought for the country who are fed up to the back teeth with politicians and elections
It was on Gogglebox it showed a lip of the news where he agreed that there should be another election if we failed in Brexit talks
Cherie
03-03-2018, 11:12 AM
It was on Gogglebox it showed a lip of the news where he agreed that there should be another election if we failed in Brexit talks
oh its just a bit of fluff talking then
Denver
03-03-2018, 11:12 AM
oh its just a bit of fluff talking then
But still it just shows he doesnt know what he is doing if he thinks that is the next important step
Withano
03-03-2018, 11:14 AM
Literally next to nobody in the country wanted a tory/dup coalition. It is odd we all settled on it pretty fast. I think the general public are just so sick of politics taking over the decade though.
Denver
03-03-2018, 11:15 AM
Literally next to nobody in the country wanted a tory/dup coalition. It is odd we all settled on it pretty fast. I think the general public are just so sick of politics taking over the decade though.
Literally nobody would vote in another snap election specially not when it would be the 4th major vote in 4 years
Withano
03-03-2018, 11:16 AM
Literally nobody would vote in another snap election specially not when it would be the 4th major vote in 4 years
Oh I disagree with that, I think people would still reluctantly vote, I just doubt people would pay as much attention to the news and media which would kinda make it pointless.
UK are back in the Black
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/back-black-uk-current-budget-surplus-imf-says-osborne-right/
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 12:02 PM
is there a link? if he does this is as bad as Nicola wanting a referendum, its not the time to go to the Polls, we have enough on our plate and its just him grasping at an opportunity to get into power with no thought for the country who are fed up to the back teeth with politicians and elections
Selfish individual who thinks the time is right for him and grasping for what may be his only chance. I think he is underestimating public opinion and could welll be a decision he would end up regretting anyway.
Underscore
03-03-2018, 12:11 PM
UK are back in the Black
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/back-black-uk-current-budget-surplus-imf-says-osborne-right/
George Osborne is very handsome.
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 12:13 PM
George Osborne is very handsome.
:joker::joker: are you kidding - :joker::joker:
Tom4784
03-03-2018, 12:14 PM
It was on Gogglebox it showed a lip of the news where he agreed that there should be another election if we failed in Brexit talks
Bit of an important detail to omit there, Adam.
Underscore
03-03-2018, 12:16 PM
:joker::joker: are you kidding - :joker::joker:
omd maybe not in that picture but he's definitely up there in terms of my political crushes with macron and trudeau :flutter:
reece(:
03-03-2018, 12:22 PM
Why wouldn't he? Tories are monumentally flopping, time to strike
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 12:25 PM
Why wouldn't he? Tories are monumentally flopping, time to strike
Only a few are daft enough to put this country into the hands of the hard left. If they think things are bad now they will see things very differently in a few years’ time.
Denver
03-03-2018, 12:28 PM
Why wouldn't he? Tories are monumentally flopping, time to strike
Because the country can not afford a 4th election in 4 years
Crimson Dynamo
03-03-2018, 01:11 PM
We need a Trump
Corbyn’s Brexit gamble risks alienating core supporters
https://www.ft.com/content/aefc956e-1b14-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6
Labour leader senses opportunity to damage government with shift of position.
Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to shift Labour’s position on Brexit was a carefully calculated move to inflict maximum pain on the government.
After a year of being deliberately vague about his vision of life after Britain leaves the EU, Mr Corbyn broke ground on Monday to support staying in a customs union....
....Mr Corbyn moved after sensing an opportunity to inflict a defeat on Mrs May in the House of Commons on Brexit, where Conservative rebels also back the customs union option.
Mrs May would then have two choices, Mr Corbyn said in an interview with ITV, with the ghost of a smile on his lips: “One is to go back and negotiate something different or the other one is to resign,” he said. “In which case we’ll have a general election.”
...and many of his voters are not at all happy at his u - turn. The dedicated euro - sceptic has left those principles at the door to try to get into the door of No 10. St. Jeremy is losing his halo.
We need a TrumpI did one this morning!
smudgie
03-03-2018, 02:38 PM
Corbyn’s Brexit gamble risks alienating core supporters
https://www.ft.com/content/aefc956e-1b14-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6
Labour leader senses opportunity to damage government with shift of position.
...and many of his voters are not at all happy at his u - turn. The dedicated euro - sceptic has left those principles at the door to try to get into the door of No 10. St. Jeremy is losing his halo.
I am afraid he is just another power crazed politician, he will say anything or do anything if he thinks it will garnish him votes.
Thinking of himself rather than the voting public.
reece(:
03-03-2018, 02:45 PM
Because the country can not afford a 4th election in 4 years
No election can be more pointless and wasteful than the one last year
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 02:51 PM
Corbyn’s Brexit gamble risks alienating core supporters
https://www.ft.com/content/aefc956e-1b14-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6
Labour leader senses opportunity to damage government with shift of position.
...and many of his voters are not at all happy at his u - turn. The dedicated euro - sceptic has left those principles at the door to try to get into the door of No 10. St. Jeremy is losing his halo.
That halo as always been very fragile as most fans are hard left socialists - a minority in the capitalist West. Most others are seeing how easily he gives up his so-called principles for a shot at being PM. He is not a strong leader and gives into Momentum and the hard left at every turn - and makes his real priorities very clear - he wants to be king of the castle at any cost.
He is happy to be a figure-head leader, with Momentun at the helm, with all the prestige that would give him with his name going down in the history books.
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 02:53 PM
No election can be more pointless and wasteful than the one last year
So you want to do it all over again so soon. Elections are not a game.
GoldHeart
03-03-2018, 03:40 PM
Is he serious? the country is already in debt and he wants to waste 100s of millions on another pointless election process.
Time to retire old man
Because Teresa May is doing such a fine job in office isn't she ?! :bored: :whistle:
I think another election ISN'T such a bad idea , maybe this time people will have more information and more understanding .
Which is the opposite of what we had for brexit, some people were too confused and didn't know what they were voting for and others didn't want to vote and were too indecisive .
Denver
03-03-2018, 03:41 PM
Because Teresa May is doing such a fine job in office isn't she ?! :bored: :whistle:
I think another election ISN'T such a bad idea , maybe this time people will have more information and more understanding .
Which is the opposite of what we had for brexit, some people were too confused and didn't know what they were voting for and others didn't want to vote and were too indecisive .
So you want the country to waste 100s of millions for no reason?
GoldHeart
03-03-2018, 03:44 PM
So you want the country to waste 100s of millions for no reason?
I wouldn't say it's for "NO REASON" :nono: . What about the brexit vote ?? That SHOULDN'T of happened .
Denver
03-03-2018, 03:48 PM
Why shouldn't it have happened? Because you didn't get the result you wanted? The public decided to become members of the EU and they decided to Leave
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 03:49 PM
I wouldn't say it's for "NO REASON" :nono: . What about the brexit vote ?? That SHOULDN'T of happened .
Try telling all those that voted for it that. Their votes count you know.
GoldHeart
03-03-2018, 03:50 PM
Why shouldn't it have happened? Because you didn't get the result you wanted? The public decided to become members of the EU and they decided to Leave
Then surely by that logic of yours then you shouldn't have a problem with another election ?? :joker: .
Denver
03-03-2018, 03:51 PM
Then surely by that logic of yours then you shouldn't have a problem with another election ?? :joker: .
No because the public voted fairly to Leave we are not Ireland we will not keep going till we get the vote the government wants
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 03:54 PM
Then surely by that logic of yours then you shouldn't have a problem with another election ?? :joker: .
You sound over-confident. It is common knowledge there has been no significant change in how people would vote. Not many have changed their minds. It’s about principle. The vote has occurred - people can’t keep demanding recounts until it goes their way. It is an abuse of the system.
Kazanne
03-03-2018, 04:06 PM
is there a link? if he does this is as bad as Nicola wanting a referendum, its not the time to go to the Polls, we have enough on our plate and its just him grasping at an opportunity to get into power with no thought for the country who are fed up to the back teeth with politicians and elections
I have seen him saying this to Robert Peston Cherie, he also wants Teresa May to resign, he really is a daft old fart.
I have seen him saying this to Robert Peston Cherie, he also wants Teresa May to resign, he really is a daft old fart.
:laugh: The daft old fart is angling for another general election, he thinks he'd get into No. 10 this time round. The only No 10 he'll be getting into is the bus taking him to collect his pension.
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 04:18 PM
:laugh: The daft old fart is angling for another general election, he thinks he'd get into No. 10 this time round. The only No 10 he'll be getting into is the bus taking him to collect his pension.
:joker::joker: I love that description of him - it is so apt - he really is a daft old fart. :laugh:
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 04:35 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/926622/Brexit-news-latest-update-UK-Labour-party-EU-European-Union-May-Brexit-speech-video
Honestly the Labour Party and Corbyn are becoming such a joke as they sell the voters down the river.
Kazanne
03-03-2018, 05:15 PM
:laugh: The daft old fart is angling for another general election, he thinks he'd get into No. 10 this time round. The only No 10 he'll be getting into is the bus taking him to collect his pension.
:joker::joker:
Kizzy
03-03-2018, 06:40 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
03-03-2018, 06:46 PM
:laugh: The daft old fart is angling for another general election, he thinks he'd get into No. 10 this time round. The only No 10 he'll be getting into is the bus taking him to collect his pension.
:laugh2:
Smithy
03-03-2018, 06:47 PM
So you want the country to waste 100s of millions for no reason?
The tories literally paid a scummy party one BILLION pounds to stay in power, yes I’m happy for A small % of that to be spent to get them OUT
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 06:49 PM
The tories literally paid a scummy party one BILLION pounds to stay in power, yes I’m happy for 100s of millions to be spent to get them OUT
Won’t happen. With Labour it’’ll be Sinn Fein. Corbyn will Be hand-hand with them.
Smithy
03-03-2018, 06:51 PM
Won’t happen. With Labour it’’ll be Sinn Fein. Corbyn will Be hand-hand with them.
Theresea May lost the unloseable election, anything can happen :idc:
Crimson Dynamo
03-03-2018, 07:03 PM
Theresea May lost the unloseable election, anything can happen :idc:
she won love
your pals could not pick a nipple in a barrel full of tits :joker:
Brillopad
03-03-2018, 07:06 PM
Theresea May lost the unloseable election, anything can happen :idc:
She didn’t exactly lose - Corbyn did though!
Kizzy
03-03-2018, 07:35 PM
He will be PM, I have no doubt about that I have just enough faith left in the GBP to get shot of this shower of twunts we currently have.
Denver
03-03-2018, 07:37 PM
He will be PM, I have no doubt about that I have just enough faith left in the GBP to get shot of this shower of twunts we currently have.
Why would you want a terrorist sympathiser in charge? do you like the country being blow up
We need a Trump
https://media.giphy.com/media/vk6MA8yIfmqhW/giphy.gif
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 06:25 AM
He will be PM, I have no doubt about that I have just enough faith left in the GBP to get shot of this shower of twunts we currently have.
If you say it enough ... good luck with that. :laugh:
A ComRes poll exclusively for the Sunday Mirror tomorrow finds that only 19% of voters want an early general election. ComRes say that rises to nearly a third in the 25-34 age group. Implying that over two-thirds of younger voters don’t want more politicking, so much for the Corbyn surge…
https://order-order.com/2018/03/03/81-dont-want-early-general-election/
Northern Monkey
04-03-2018, 09:02 AM
He’d probably win.
At this point i really don’t care.I wouldn’t vote.
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 09:33 AM
He’d probably win.
At this point i really don’t care.I wouldn’t vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/17/labour-dreaming-uk-wants-socialism-privatisation
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2010/no-1275-november-2010/housing-capitalism-and-socialism
I very much doubt it. He is a socialist through and through and socialism does not support home ownership. He has already made his first move by trying to steal investment homes from the wealthy, will stop council tenants from buying their properties - what next. He will be after stopping anyone from owning their own properties and everyone will have to rent. What a grim picture that would be.
It makes me laugh when people go on about getting Labour in so they don’t have to pay uni fees and can then afford to buy their own homes. What homes when the Labour Government is a socialist government who oppose home ownership. Most people aspire to own their own homes if they can. There will be no such right soon if Labour have their way. If they get in there will be no stopping them. People, especially the young, need to wake up to what a socialist government actually means.
What would even be the point in going to uni or working hard as there would be no real benefit from that. Socialism kills personal motivation.
Wizard.
04-03-2018, 09:50 AM
Literally next to nobody in the country wanted a tory/dup coalition. It is odd we all settled on it pretty fast. I think the general public are just so sick of politics taking over the decade though.
Oh yeah the Torries have been the largest party for 7 years but nobody voted for them... hmmm
Northern Monkey
04-03-2018, 10:33 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/17/labour-dreaming-uk-wants-socialism-privatisation
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2010/no-1275-november-2010/housing-capitalism-and-socialism
I very much doubt it. He is a socialist through and through and socialism does not support home ownership. He has already made his first move by trying to steal investment homes from the wealthy, will stop council tenants from buying their properties - what next. He will be after stopping anyone from owning their own properties and everyone will have to rent. What a grim picture that would be.
It makes me laugh when people go on about getting Labour in so they don’t have to pay uni fees and can then afford to buy their own homes. What homes when the Labour Government is a socialist government who oppose home ownership. Most people aspire to own their own homes if they can. There will be no such right soon if Labour have their way. If they get in there will be no stopping them. People, especially the young, need to wake up to what a socialist government actually means.
What would even be the point in going to uni or working hard as there would be no real benefit from that. Socialism kills personal motivation.A Corbyn McDonell government is a bleak prospect but so are the current government.They are gonna fk up Brexit and give us some half in half out bs.They just keep backing down to the EU and Labour want ‘A’ Customs Union.
I’ve lost interest in politics tbh.With this first past the post system we’re stuck with a 2 party state for generations unless a radically new centrist party comes along.
I’m just gonna sit back and watch the ****show unfold.
Kazanne
04-03-2018, 10:35 AM
she won love
your pals could not pick a nipple in a barrel full of tits :joker:
:joker::joker::joker:
Northern Monkey
04-03-2018, 10:39 AM
Oh yeah the Torries have been the largest party for 7 years but nobody voted for them... hmmm
He’s not saying that.He’s saying that nobody wanted a Tory DUP coalition.(Apart from possibly DUP supporters).Which is true.Tories wanted a majority and Labour obvs didn’t want it.
Yes May got most votes but calling that GE was a huge mistake and her awful campaign was her second mistake.She’s in a very weak position.
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 11:06 AM
A Corbyn McDonell government is a bleak prospect but so are the current government.They are gonna fk up Brexit and give us some half in half out bs.They just keep backing down to the EU and Labour want ‘A’ Customs Union.
I’ve lost interest in politics tbh.With this first past the post system we’re stuck with a 2 party state for generations unless a radically new centrist party comes along.
I’m just gonna sit back and watch the ****show unfold.
It is scarey - but as you say we have limited choices. To me Corbyn is No choice and would be even worse. He has proved on several occasions now he cannot be trusted and will move the goalposts, supposedly lifelong beliefs, if it means getting the top job. I simply would not trust him further than I could sling him.
Only time will tell but if he ever gets in, and I don’t believe he will as he is too big a risk, I have no doubt those singing to his tune now will get a very rude awakening and be among the first to regret their ill-informed decisions.
He’s not saying that.He’s saying that nobody wanted a Tory DUP coalition.(Apart from possibly DUP supporters).Which is true.Tories wanted a majority and Labour obvs didn’t want it.
Yes May got most votes but calling that GE was a huge mistake and her awful campaign was her second mistake.She’s in a very weak position.
I'm actually beginning to admire May a bit. She has been in an almost impossible position what with Corbyn's opposition and some in her own Tory party giving her a hard time over the Brexit talks and the BBC criticising every move she makes and suppressing anything that could damage their puppet Corbyn.
That weakens her position in the EU. They must be rubbing their hands in glee at how they are therefore better placed to adopt a harder stance because the parties aren't at least showing some solidarity in getting the country the best possible deal they can get for the good of the country and what they voted for and letting her concentrate on getting on with it.
I think May has done pretty well considering and is getting stronger. She can't be considered that much of a disaster or Corbyn and his cronies would be soaring ahead in the polls. That they aren't speaks volumes - that he would be even worse.
Withano
04-03-2018, 12:22 PM
Oh yeah the Torries have been the largest party for 7 years but nobody voted for them... hmmm
Tories didnt win. The tories AND the DUP won. And next to nobody wanted that coalition which was my point. I'm aware several millions voted for the Tories.
Northern Monkey
04-03-2018, 12:37 PM
I'm actually beginning to admire May a bit. She has been in an almost impossible position what with Corbyn's opposition and some in her own Tory party giving her a hard time over the Brexit talks and the BBC criticising every move she makes and suppressing anything that could damage their puppet Corbyn.
That weakens her position in the EU. They must be rubbing their hands in glee at how they are therefore better placed to adopt a harder stance because the parties aren't at least showing some solidarity in getting the country the best possible deal they can get for the good of the country and what they voted for and letting her concentrate on getting on with it.
I think May has done pretty well considering and is getting stronger. She can't be considered that much of a disaster or Corbyn and his cronies would be soaring ahead in the polls. That they aren't speaks volumes - that he would be even worse.I don’t know.I agree she was given a poisoned chalice with brexit and it would’nt have been easy for anyone.She did a great job
of appearing strong until she made the almost fatal mistake of calling a GE and leading a god awful campaign.Corbyn was at a particularly weak point at the time.God knows how she fk’d it up so badly.It’s all gone downhill from then.Many of her party i think dont have confidence in her but only back her as they’re terrified of a GE right now.She also has the problem of all the Tory remainers like that **** Soubry plus brexiteers like Boris and Gove who aren’t happy with the pandering to Juncker.Then there’s the chancellor who likes to contradict her from time to time.
May will be lucky to make it through the process i reckon.
Oliver_W
04-03-2018, 12:42 PM
Tbh it would have been better all round if the snap election was held about a week after its announcement. May would have increased her majority without needing the DUP, and Labour would (possibly) get a new leader.
Kizzy
04-03-2018, 01:25 PM
Why would you want a terrorist sympathiser in charge? do you like the country being blow up
I reported this but seeing as it's fit to remain I'll respond..
We HAVE terrorist sympathisers in power do your research on the DUP and educate yourself.
What a ridiculous question, offensive and accusatory NO! of course I don't like the country being blown up, do you like people dying in the streets that's a fair response and much more likely under the current govt.
I won't be posting in this thread again, I'm borderline on the whole forum to be fair due to the right wing trolling that has reached endemic proportions.
I feel due to the front pages of the FT we are being prepped for a Labour govt and I welcome that for the good of society, nothing least of all these rancid baiting responses will change that.
Tom4784
04-03-2018, 01:36 PM
Why would you want a terrorist sympathiser in charge? do you like the country being blow up
That seems like a rational well thought out argument.
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 01:38 PM
I reported this but seeing as it's fit to remain I'll respond..
We HAVE terrorist sympathisers in power do your research on the DUP and educate yourself.
What a ridiculous question, offensive and accusatory NO! of course I don't like the country being blown up, do you like people dying in the streets that's a fair response and much more likely under the current govt.
I won't be posting in this thread again, I'm borderline on the whole forum to be fair due to the right wing trolling that has reached endemic proportions.
I feel due to the front pages of the FT we are being prepped for a Labour govt and I welcome that for the good of society, nothing least of all these rancid baiting responses will change that.
Oh come on - the left have been trolling this forum for years and some don’t like a slight evening up of the numbers. Tough.
Tom4784
04-03-2018, 01:39 PM
Oh come on - the left have been trolling this forum for years and some don’t like a slight evening up of the numbers. Tough.
Where?
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 01:41 PM
Where?
Everywhere.
Tom4784
04-03-2018, 01:42 PM
Everywhere.
How very specific.
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 01:45 PM
How very specific.
Everyone knows it is a predominantly left wing site - but some like to try to undermine opposite views by referring to the posters as ‘trolling’. It is psychological warfare and intended to dismiss differing opinions. If trolling exists it clearly comes from both sides.
Tom4784
04-03-2018, 01:53 PM
Everyone knows it is a predominantly left wing site - but some like to try to undermine opposite views by referring to the posters as ‘trolling’. It is psychological warfare and intended to dismiss differing opinions. If trolling exists it clearly comes from both sides.
Oh come on - the left have been trolling this forum for years and some don’t like a slight evening up of the numbers. Tough.
I see.
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 01:55 PM
I see.
Not in my opinion.
Tom4784
04-03-2018, 01:55 PM
Not in my opinion.
That doesn't make much sense in this context but okay.
Twosugars
04-03-2018, 01:58 PM
I reported this but seeing as it's fit to remain I'll respond..
We HAVE terrorist sympathisers in power do your research on the DUP and educate yourself.
What a ridiculous question, offensive and accusatory NO! of course I don't like the country being blown up, do you like people dying in the streets that's a fair response and much more likely under the current govt.
I won't be posting in this thread again, I'm borderline on the whole forum to be fair due to the right wing trolling that has reached endemic proportions.
I feel due to the front pages of the FT we are being prepped for a Labour govt and I welcome that for the good of society, nothing least of all these rancid baiting responses will change that.
Don't you go anywhere, Girl! :kiss: :love:
time is on our side :hee:
ignore incoherent rants and save your energy for worthwhile discussions which do happen from time to time
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 02:02 PM
Don't you go anywhere, Girl! :kiss: :love:
time is on our side :hee:
ignore incoherent rants and save your energy for worthwhile discussions which do happen from time to time
:joker:
Twosugars
04-03-2018, 02:04 PM
Everyone knows it is a predominantly left wing site - but some like to try to undermine opposite views by referring to the posters as ‘trolling’. It is psychological warfare and intended to dismiss differing opinions. If trolling exists it clearly comes from both sides.
Is it? That's not the impression I got when I joined :shrug:
I suppose you could do a statistical analysis of say, a month worth of SD threads to check that
Imo, the forum shows left-lean in polls but in threads, right wing is the loudest
Twosugars
04-03-2018, 02:11 PM
:joker:
you can laugh Brillo
left leaning people could very easily abandon this section of the forum and you'd be left talking to yourselves
each thread would die after a few posts
I don't think you'd like that
AnnieK
04-03-2018, 02:18 PM
I've always thought of this forum as more to the left but there are big characters on both sides but it makes it interesting to read when it does not descend into the tit for tat silliness that has been happening more and more.
On topic....I personally think Teresa May inherited a sinking ship after Cameron deserted ys after Brexit. A change is needed in this country and fast to stabilise us, whether either main party is the solution, I'm not sure. I think Labour gov would do well, but under the current leadership I'm not sure
Brillopad
04-03-2018, 02:20 PM
Is it? That's not the impression I got when I joined :shrug:
I suppose you could do a statistical analysis of say, a month worth of SD threads to check that
Imo, the forum shows left-lean in polls but in threads, right wing is the loudest
Your a relative newbie - and anyone can tell you it has always been a left wing site. The odds have been stacked against the centre right from day one. But they still stand their ground and make their point.
Withano
04-03-2018, 02:21 PM
There are more left wing members than right wing members
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316889&highlight=
But for some reason there are still more anti-left and pro-right threads. It is odd.
Niamh.
04-03-2018, 02:28 PM
can you all stick to the topic please and drop this boring argument?
Underscore
04-03-2018, 02:36 PM
can you all stick to the topic please and drop this boring argument?
.
Northern Monkey
04-03-2018, 02:46 PM
I think we(as a country) need to step away from the left/right paradigm and not be so tribalistic for these politicians.Both sides have major faults.Time to step back and look at things objectively.If there is a right way then i think it can only be the centre.
Capitalism and Socialism are both needed for a country to prosper.
Put down your swords TIBB.These politicians won’t fight for you.
So back on topic - IF there was another GE, how would you vote?
isn't it the duty of every opposition party to want an election so that they can get in to power? If they didn't want an election and the chance to govern, it wouldn't be a democracy
Niamh.
05-03-2018, 08:33 AM
Deleted some posts in here ignoring my warning, I will start infracting people if you continue to ignore it and keep discussing eachother rather than the thread topic
Toy Soldier
05-03-2018, 09:37 AM
There are more left wing members than right wing members
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316889&highlight=
But for some reason there are still more anti-left and pro-right threads. It is odd.
The weight on the left in polls comes from "lurking" members from other sections who will vote in polls but don't post in SD's (because, let's face it, SD's is a fight pit and really not for everyone even at the best of times). In terms of actual active SD members in threads, we're mostly scattered around the middle fairly evenly and in terms of those who are more vocally right / left, right does tend to outnumber left slightly. :shrug: I'm not really sure why everyone is so insistent that they are "outnumbered" or somehow hard done by... literally THE hardest thing to do on this forum is to try to toe any sort of middle ground. Both "sides" get plenty of backup.
[edit] I may have ignored the thread topic so... errrmmm... something something Geremy something Corbyn something election something something. Too many elections and literally no one wants another to shift one or two seats around. If Corbyn thinks that Labour would win a GE if one was held soon, he's simply incorrect. I can't see voting stats altering AT ALL from the last one.
Oliver_W
05-03-2018, 11:07 AM
Deleted some posts in here ignoring my warning, I will start infracting people if you continue to ignore it and keep discussing eachother rather than the thread topic
What was wrong with the posts pointing out that the DUP is different to the IRA and Hamas+Hezbollah? Posts like that weren't discussing members.
Niamh.
05-03-2018, 11:12 AM
What was wrong with the posts pointing out that the DUP is different to the IRA and Hamas+Hezbollah? Posts like that weren't discussing members.
Nothing but that post didn't make sense anymore after I deleted the post you were responding to, it was a continuity issue :laugh:
I reported this but seeing as it's fit to remain I'll respond..
We HAVE terrorist sympathisers in power do your research on the DUP and educate yourself.
What a ridiculous question, offensive and accusatory NO! of course I don't like the country being blown up, do you like people dying in the streets that's a fair response and much more likely under the current govt.
I won't be posting in this thread again, I'm borderline on the whole forum to be fair due to the right wing trolling that has reached endemic proportions.
I feel due to the front pages of the FT we are being prepped for a Labour govt and I welcome that for the good of society, nothing least of all these rancid baiting responses will change that.
So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.
And what about his friends, Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA and the other main party in N.Ireland. Corbyn is and has been since the 70's great friends with its former leader, Gerry Adams, IRA man. Sinn Fein still have convicted murderers in their party. Unpalatable as the DUP are, they are not the political wing of any terrorist group, nor have they any murderers among the party.
If the Adam's/Corbyn scenario was flipped and Arlene Foster had been leader of the UVF and May was a long time friend of hers, you'd be quite rightly furious.
Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....
Twosugars
05-03-2018, 12:35 PM
Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.
Tom4784
05-03-2018, 12:57 PM
So back on topic - IF there was another GE, how would you vote?
Labour by default. When it comes to the NHS, preservation of rights and support for the more vunerable members of society, they have the best policies and those are the points I care most about.
We've had years of Tory leadership and it's been woeful and we had two tory PMs that just so happened to wear red before then so I'm not interested in seeing them in power. Theresa's government is weak and I don't want someone that opposes homosexuality like Rees-Moggs anywhere near power and he's pretty much in position to succeed her.
Lib Dems would have been an option but Nick Clegg ruined it all for me. and I have no faith in them anymore. I disagree with the opposition to Brexit, people made that mistake of voting for it and then chose to vote for the worst possible party to lead it so they deserve to live with the consequences of their decisions. While I agree with some of their other policies, I don't like their choices in leadership.
DemolitionRed
05-03-2018, 12:58 PM
So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.
Based on what evidence exactly? Come on, lets have it because you keep making these accusations but so far you've been able to come up diddly-squat. Your use of ignorant smears destroys any credibility you think you may have.
Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....[/QUOTE]
If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done!
Kizzy
05-03-2018, 01:06 PM
So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.
And what about his friends, Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA and the other main party in N.Ireland. Corbyn is and has been since the 70's great friends with its former leader, Gerry Adams, IRA man. Sinn Fein still have convicted murderers in their party. Unpalatable as the DUP are, they are not the political wing of any terrorist group, nor have they any murderers among the party.
If the Adam's/Corbyn scenario was flipped and Arlene Foster had been leader of the UVF and May was a long time friend of hers, you'd be quite rightly furious.
Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....
The red berets were very much a faction, as I have said there is no balance whatsoever in that debate and all the ills of decades of troubles cannot fall squarely on the shoulders of one man it's ridiculous.
Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.
Saying corbyns terrorist connections dont have a bearing on his chances to become pm is a ridiculous statement, its probably a high percentage of voters single reason for not voting for him.
Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.
Kizzy rails against the dup as terrorist sympathisers but wants a terrorist sympathiser who is great friends with a terrorist as an actual PM. :umm2:
When you wave a hypocritical red flag like that, expect a response or else think about what you are posting.
Kizzy
05-03-2018, 01:18 PM
Kizzy rails against the dup as terrorist sympathisers but wants a terrorist sympathiser who is great friends with a terrorist as an actual PM. :umm2:
When you wave a hypocritical red flag like that, expect a response or else think about what you are posting.
Ah so you acknowledge the DUP as terrorist sympathisers... does that make you a hypocrite?
I would say so, that is the point I have been making for a while the 'glossing over' of the affiliations of the DUP and by default the English govt.
Remember when you point the finger there's four pointing back at you.
Based on what evidence exactly? Come on, lets have it because you keep making these accusations but so far you've been able to come up diddly-squat. Your use of ignorant smears destroys any credibility you think you may have.
Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....
If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done![/QUOTE]
It's not on me if you don't do your research. I've posted plenty of links which are not my words. Every time I post links which clearly show his sympathies there is a deafening silence from the usual people.
It's all out there in the great world web but if you don't read them or refuse to believe every single word and every single person, no matter how legitimate they are, that's your problem.
Ah so you acknowledge the DUP as terrorist sympathisers... does that make you a hypocrite?
I would say so, that is the point I have been making for a while the 'glossing over' of the affiliations of the DUP and by default the English govt.
Remember when you point the finger there's four pointing back at you.
How am I being hypocritical? :laugh:
I not gagging for a DUP member to become the next PM, am I? I can't even stand their policies so it isn't comparable at all. Neither do I care for May as a PM.
But you are gagging for your St. Jeremy.
They are not terrorist sympathisers either in the same sense that Sinn Fein were - it's more that the likes of the UDA supported them.
Your diversion tactics don't work, all you are doing is avoiding admitting to your own hypocrisy.
The red berets were very much a faction, as I have said there is no balance whatsoever in that debate and all the ills of decades of troubles cannot fall squarely on the shoulders of one man it's ridiculous.
Nobody is saying it did. But that one man is the one who wants to be PM, so who he keeps company with and supports is important.
Labour by default. When it comes to the NHS, preservation of rights and support for the more vunerable members of society, they have the best policies and those are the points I care most about.
We've had years of Tory leadership and it's been woeful and we had two tory PMs that just so happened to wear red before then so I'm not interested in seeing them in power. Theresa's government is weak and I don't want someone that opposes homosexuality like Rees-Moggs anywhere near power and he's pretty much in position to succeed her.
Lib Dems would have been an option but Nick Clegg ruined it all for me. and I have no faith in them anymore. I disagree with the opposition to try to turn back Brexit, people made that mistake of voting for it and then chose to vote for the worst possible party to lead it so they deserve to live with the consequences of their decisions. While I agree with some of their other policies, I don't like their choices in leadership.
I can't vote for any of the parties as I'm in N.Ireland, but of course whichever party is in impacts on my country. However, I can say that no matter which party was in power has never made one bit of difference personally to my life or to the lives of anyone I know here either.
So, I tend to pay more heed to the leader of a party and whether I think they are genuine, solid and decent (as much as any politician can be!) and present themselves well as our representatives to the rest of the world.
I agree with your points about the NHS and the most vulnerable of society - that should be any governments priority, first and foremost.
I think a Labour gov. would sail through another election to victory if they had a really vital, and yes, younger passionate leader who didn't lean far left.
I don't think Corbyn will succeed, he's too divisive, opportunistic, and doesn't respect his core voters in his bid for power. He seems to be Momentum's puppet and many people I talk to are really put off by that.
Time will tell!
Brillopad
05-03-2018, 05:23 PM
Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.
It would be quite worrying if people had no concerns about his terrorist connections and would speak volumes about the kind of people who would not even give that any consideration. Not something for Labour to be proud of.
Brillopad
05-03-2018, 05:25 PM
Nobody is saying it did. But that one man is the one who wants to be PM, so who he keeps company with and supports is important.
Too right it is. If you run for PM the type of people you support is crucial and anyone claiming differently has their heads in the clouds.
Brillopad
05-03-2018, 05:43 PM
Based on what evidence exactly? Come on, lets have it because you keep making these accusations but so far you've been able to come up diddly-squat. Your use of ignorant smears destroys any credibility you think you may have.
Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....
If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done![/QUOTE]
And you have come up with diddly-squat to disprove all the allegations against him. Such consistent and documented allegations have foundations and didn’t just appear in a puff of smoke and no matter how hard Kizzy tries to portray him as the next second-coming it will never make it true.
Everything you say can be turned around on you with You and Kizzy relying on a small heavily left-leaning audience who likely hope he will be that ‘miracle’ they are so desperately searching for. A nice fairy tale but nothing more. Much strongly suggests Corbyn is a wolf in sheep’s clothing - so don’t expect people to ignore that.
Withano
05-03-2018, 06:55 PM
This forum is so ridiculous at times
Apparently anything can be true if nobody disproves it.
thats what serious debates is now. Saying random **** that suits your narrative and not having to back it up because nobody can disprove it.
Theresa May kicks kittens by the way
Brillopad
05-03-2018, 07:08 PM
This forum is so ridiculous at times
Apparently anything can be true if nobody disproves it.
thats what serious debates is now. Saying random **** that suits your narrative and not having to back it up because nobody can disprove it.
Theresa May kicks kittens by the way
You would know. Nonsensical drivel is your forte.
Withano
05-03-2018, 07:09 PM
You would know. Nonsensical drivel is your forte.
Say what you want about me, but you like the Tories, who go to Somalia once a week to punch an orphan in the face. And thats ****ed up.
Disprove it or it happened.
Brillopad
05-03-2018, 07:22 PM
Say what you want about me, but you like the Tories, who go to Somalia once a week to punch an orphan in the face. And thats ****ed up.
Disprove it or it happened.
Like you disproving Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser! Where’s that bloody fly swat?
Withano
05-03-2018, 07:25 PM
Where’s that bloody fly swat?
I mean.. point I was making was 'not being able to disprove a statement doesnt make it true'. So lets stop with the BS claims like Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, and Tories punch orphans if we dont have the evidence for it, because theyre not helpful or productive ever. Glad we cleared that up.
If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done!
And you have come up with diddly-squat to disprove all the allegations against him. Such consistent and documented allegations have foundations and didn’t just appear in a puff of smoke and no matter how hard Kizzy tries to portray him as the next second-coming it will never make it true.
Everything you say can be turned around on you with You and Kizzy relying on a small heavily left-leaning audience who likely hope he will be that ‘miracle’ they are so desperately searching for. A nice fairy tale but nothing more. Much strongly suggests Corbyn is a wolf in sheep’s clothing - so don’t expect people to ignore that.[/QUOTE]
They know the truth only too well, but they'll never admit it; to do so would make them them look bad for continuing to support Corbyn.
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