View Full Version : Millennial blaming his parents’ generation for all his ills
Brillopad
09-03-2018, 06:57 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5762427/millennial-snowflake-internet-rant-tumblr/
When will these youngsters get it through their heads that few people have things handed on a plate. All generations struggle. But this latest fad of blaming previous generations does seem to suggest a refusal by some of the millenial generation to take responsibility for their life choices and instead pass the buck. Are they the generation that have had too much too soon and now expect it all without waiting and saving? Do parents need a rethink?
The comments section made an interesting read.
...this is the same paper that just yesterday called millennials "snowflakes" for correctly understanding the plot of the novel Frankenstein
Smithy
09-03-2018, 07:03 PM
Someone has actually been paid to write an article about a ****ing tumblr post jfc
smudgie
09-03-2018, 07:06 PM
Never handed anything on a plate in my life, however my two kids will be inheriting loadsa money when we pop our clogs.:shrug:
Brillopad
09-03-2018, 07:10 PM
Never handed anything on a plate in my life, however my two kids will be inheriting loadsa money when we pop our clogs.:shrug:
I’m sure you have taught them well Smudgie and they keep up the good work. :hee:
smudgie
09-03-2018, 07:21 PM
I’m sure you have taught them well Smudgie and they keep up the good work. :hee:
:joker: not too sure about that Brillo..we might just have to blow it all on ourselves to save them from wasting it. :laugh:
Oliver_W
09-03-2018, 07:27 PM
Tumblr is full of stuff like this, and it contains garbage like there being more than two genders and which has blogs giving anorexics methods to avoid eating without getting caught; who cares about some kid who's not making anything of his life venting on the net?
I doubt anyone has a high opinion of The Sun, but it's embarrassing even for them they wrote an article about a blog post which even the writer will probably cringe at in a couple of years.
Brillopad
09-03-2018, 07:34 PM
:joker: not too sure about that Brillo..we might just have to blow it all on ourselves to save them from wasting it. :laugh:
Sounds good to me. :laugh:
One thing i always remember from childhood is my mum and dad getting up each morning for work...my dad making the 4 of us xmas presents...and the joy i felt when i found my orange i got every year at the bottom of my xmas sock.....
Kids nowadays have far far too much to moan about...
Oliver_W
09-03-2018, 07:38 PM
“We’re only 25, we didn’t get in to the war in 2001 (we were 11 years old)
Maybe his failures are due to his mathematical skills?
Maybe his failures are due to his mathematical skills?
The post in question dates back to 2015, so really we should be asking why on earth The Sun are using a three-year old Tumblr post to advance their agenda
I can't find the original post (convenient that The Sun doesn't provide any links or screenshots, eh?), but here it is reblogged in October 2015:
http://aevynne.tumblr.com/post/131294785387/your-generation
Oliver_W
09-03-2018, 07:43 PM
The post in question dates back to 2015, so really we should be asking why on earth The Sun are using a three-year old Tumblr post to advance their agenda
I'm a little relieved haha, and I hope the blogger is in a better place now!
DemolitionRed
09-03-2018, 07:45 PM
I was paid by the state to go to uni. My kids are having to pay substantial amounts.
My first apartment cost me an affordable £45K. If one of my kids wanted to buy that apartment today it would cost the £350k
As a kid I had the pleasure of being to play outside. Now roads are too busy and parents too afraid to let them out of their site.
I will be able to get a state pension when I'm 66-67. My children will never get a state pension.
I worked hard when I was young which allowed me to play hard. My kids will have so much debt that they will never afford that same luxury.
As a child and teenager I never heard of food banks. My kids know various families who have to use them.
I was paid by the state to go to uni. My kids are having to pay substantial amounts.
My first apartment cost me an affordable £45K. If one of my kids wanted to buy that apartment today it would cost the £350k
As a kid I had the pleasure of being to play outside. Now roads are too busy and parents too afraid to let them out of their site.
I will be able to get a state pension when I'm 66-67. My children will never get a state pension.
I worked hard when I was young which allowed me to play hard. My kids will have so much debt that they will never afford that same luxury.
As a child and teenager I never heard of food banks. My kids know various families who have to use them.
Move to the scottish borders..lifes grand compared to this south east cesspit.
James
09-03-2018, 08:02 PM
I think life is better now than it was.
I think life is better now than it was.
James, its a hassle for me to pm etc on my phone...can you change my name to parmy please...its what i get called on the forum anyway...kinda softens me a bit.
I think life is better now than it was.
I agree.
smudgie
09-03-2018, 08:47 PM
I think life is better now than it was.
I have to agree.
There is hardship now, but there always was and probably always will be.
Smithy
09-03-2018, 08:48 PM
I think life is better now than it was.
He’s not saying life is worse now, he’s saying how much more difficult it is to even live now bc of examples in the post below
I was paid by the state to go to uni. My kids are having to pay substantial amounts.
My first apartment cost me an affordable £45K. If one of my kids wanted to buy that apartment today it would cost the £350k
As a kid I had the pleasure of being to play outside. Now roads are too busy and parents too afraid to let them out of their site.
I will be able to get a state pension when I'm 66-67. My children will never get a state pension.
I worked hard when I was young which allowed me to play hard. My kids will have so much debt that they will never afford that same luxury.
As a child and teenager I never heard of food banks. My kids know various families who have to use them.
He’s not saying life is worse now, he’s saying how much more difficult it is to even live now bc of examples in the post below
It was difficult to live when I was young too, but I didn't moan endlessly about it. The majority of young people have always been the worst off financially, it's par for the course. I accepted that I would have to work long hard hours and build for the future. I was in my mid 40's before I was comfortably off. There have been financial hardships in every generation - to a greater or lesser degree - but young people now seem to think that life is static and because they see things as tough now that they will never get any better.
Kizzy
09-03-2018, 09:40 PM
I think life is better now than it was.
Not if your my daughters generation who at 22 was saddled with more debt than most people my age accrue in a lifetime just for higher education.
It's swings and roundabouts really. Yes we have to pay for university but many more people now have the opportunity to go than when it was free, 50% now go whereas it used to only be 10%. Yes we'll probably have to work longer than our parents but we're also likely to lead longer and healthier lives. Yes lots of people now use foodbanks but go back twenty/thirty years and that option would not even have been there for those that were struggling.
Kizzy
09-03-2018, 10:14 PM
It's swings and roundabouts really. Yes we have to pay for university but many more people now have the opportunity to go than when it was free, 50% now go whereas it used to only be 10%. Yes we'll probably have to work longer than our parents but we're also likely to lead longer and healthier lives. Yes lots of people now use foodbanks but go back twenty/thirty years and that option would not even have been there for those that were struggling.
Who's we, did you pay to go to uni?
It wasn't the dark ages 20-30 yrs ago, people of my generation live as long as is humanly possible too :/
The reason they weren't there is there was no call for them, unless there was some dire emergency! There have always been agencies for those in need but at the scale they are now and affecting so many UK wide? Unprecedented! It's shameful :(
Who's we, did you pay to go to uni?
Yes
How old do you think I am :suspect:
Kizzy
09-03-2018, 10:19 PM
Yes
How old do you think I am :suspect:
Older than my daughter,did you pay £9k a year?
I was the last year of the lower fees as it happens which I admit I am fortunate about but I still think it would have been worth going with the higher fees. Plus if I had paid the higher fees I wouldn't be having to pay anything back yet :idc:
user104658
09-03-2018, 10:51 PM
Is this genuinely a newspaper article about a Tumblr post? :joker: Holy **** Someone email the sun and tell them to Google "Zootopia Rule 34 Tumblr". I want to see THAT front page. Haaa.
Cherie
09-03-2018, 11:33 PM
I was paid by the state to go to uni. My kids are having to pay substantial amounts.
My first apartment cost me an affordable £45K. If one of my kids wanted to buy that apartment today it would cost the £350k
As a kid I had the pleasure of being to play outside. Now roads are too busy and parents too afraid to let them out of their site.
I will be able to get a state pension when I'm 66-67. My children will never get a state pension.
I worked hard when I was young which allowed me to play hard. My kids will have so much debt that they will never afford that same luxury.
As a child and teenager I never heard of food banks. My kids know various families who have to use them.
:joker: yeah you never see students or people in their 20's partying...or going on holiday or stuff :umm2:
kirklancaster
10-03-2018, 12:10 AM
My son has worked in part-time jobs all through his Senior school and has racked up over £20K in 'Student Loans' thus far studying for his Law degree.
He still works part-time now and is saving hard at the same time while his friends are out partying, in a few years, when the hard studying and sacrifices which he has invested in on behalf of his future pay off by giving him a decent lifestyle, he will no doubt, be 'a lucky b*****d' to some.
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 01:36 AM
There's always going to be struggles, that's life.
But do I think that the past generations that have been running this country have made some things worse for the Millennials? Sadly I do have to say yes. Especially when we look at stuff such as Council Houses being bought up by Landlords all because of that Margaret Thatcher policy that she made when she was in charge.
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 01:42 AM
:joker: yeah you never see students or people in their 20's partying...or going on holiday or stuff :umm2:
I get what DemolitionRed is saying, his family will not be able to live out actual lives very often, it will mainly just be work, work, and more work.
Not if your my daughters generation who at 22 was saddled with more debt than most people my age accrue in a lifetime just for higher education.
Well, the thinking is if you get the higher education you also get a well paid job at the end of it which is the whole point of paying for that privilege. Then you pay it back gradually when you are employed and can afford to. Sounds fair enough to me. Student loans also include accommodation, food and utility bills - nobody can expect to get all that for free.
Too many students are accepted for and take degrees in subjects which have no specific demand in the workplace/too many after just one job.
These days, uni's accept people they wouldn't have years ago and it's not fair on the students; entry levels should be much higher and fees reduced - imo only the very brightest and those who will be most in demand to fill certain jobs should be accepted.
Not saying your daughter isn't in that category of course!
..this thread topic makes me think of Mike and the Mechanics lyrics...which actually are probably quite true...
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 05:21 AM
Well, the thinking is if you get the higher education you also get a well paid job at the end of it which is the whole point of paying for that privilege. Then you pay it back gradually when you are employed and can afford to. Sounds fair enough to me. Student loans also include accommodation, food and utility bills - nobody can expect to get all that for free.
Too many students are accepted for and take degrees in subjects which have no specific demand in the workplace/too many after just one job.
These days, uni's accept people they wouldn't have years ago and it's not fair on the students; entry levels should be much higher and fees reduced - imo only the very brightest and those who will be most in demand to fill certain jobs should be accepted.
Not saying your daughter isn't in that category of course!
I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?
James
10-03-2018, 07:26 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5762427/millennial-snowflake-internet-rant-tumblr/
When will these youngsters get it through their heads that few people have things handed on a plate. All generations struggle. But this latest fad of blaming previous generations does seem to suggest a refusal by some of the millenial generation to take responsibility for their life choices and instead pass the buck. Are they the generation that have had too much too soon and now expect it all without waiting and saving? Do parents need a rethink?
The comments section made an interesting read.
Another thing is that this is these kinds of opinions exist mainly on social media (and clickbaity articles) - millennials blaming the older generation, and millennials being labeled 'snowflakes'. I don't think that it reflects how people think and behave in the real world. Most people just get on with their lives and try and make the best of whatever is dealt to them.
The writer of the Tumblr post has probably read some clickbait opinion piece on his generation, and reacted with the post.
It's just a rhetorical battle.
AnnieK
10-03-2018, 08:16 AM
..this thread topic makes me think of Mike and the Mechanics lyrics...which actually are probably quite true...
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
That song is stuck in my head now Ammi :laugh:
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 09:06 AM
I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?
No they won’t. They will simply have to pay back their fees once they get a well paid job like every other uni student.
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 09:08 AM
My son has worked in part-time jobs all through his Senior school and has racked up over £20K in 'Student Loans' thus far studying for his Law degree.
He still works part-time now and is saving hard at the same time while his friends are out partying, in a few years, when the hard studying and sacrifices which he has invested in on behalf of his future pay off by giving him a decent lifestyle, he will no doubt, be 'a lucky b*****d' to some.
Very true Kirk!
thesheriff443
10-03-2018, 09:33 AM
Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.
Lif is hard deal with it!.
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 09:49 AM
Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.
Lif is hard deal with it!.
:thumbs:
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 10:03 AM
No they won’t. They will simply have to pay back their fees once they get a well paid job like every other uni student.
And therefore not living out their lives but instead are worried about an expensive debt to pay back.
I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?
They only pay back their fees gradually when they get a job, and then only an affordable percentage of their wages. If they don't have a job, they don't pay until they do. That's how it is in N. Ireland anyway. Is it different in the UK?
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 10:07 AM
And therefore not living out their lives but instead are worried about an expensive debt to pay back.
Poor them. They can take it out of that considerably higher salary they will have over many others. Just a thought.
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 10:08 AM
Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.
Lif is hard deal with it!.
You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.
I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 10:14 AM
You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.
I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.
I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.
Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!
Mystic Mock
10-03-2018, 10:19 AM
I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.
Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!
I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 10:34 AM
I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.
I’m all for further education and earning a good salary but I feel that at that point, as people will generally benefit considerably from it, they should expect to pay for the privilidge - and it is a privilidge, as another poster said, not everyone will be in the position to do so. But the fact that some don’t even seem to get that and simply see it as an entitlement speaks volumes to me.
Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.
You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.
I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.
Back then there were far fewer numbers accepted for uni, and those that were had to pay for accommodation, utilities etc without the benefit of loans, which meant some just couldn't afford to go at all.
user104658
10-03-2018, 10:45 AM
Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.
Thisnis what really confuses me; the fact that all courses have basically the same (the maximum) fee when the actual content obviously doesn't have the same cost? For example, I've studied a (ridiculous) tonne of things at University. English language and literature, philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, computer science... And many of the courses just aren't comparable if they were to be taken to degree level. For example, philosophy and English literature are VERY light on class time for obvious reasons; a lot of the course is reading, writing essays, and self driven study and that's how it should be and the only way it can be. On the flip side, Computer Science involves dozens of hours of lab time per week, lots of tutorial and face time with staff, access to expensive equipment and software, etc. Psychology, economics, politics fall somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really make sense that a year's tuition for a self driven study course like Philosophy, and a year's tuition for a heavy technical course like CompSci, have the same tuition fee.
Brillopad
10-03-2018, 11:02 AM
Thisnis what really confuses me; the fact that all courses have basically the same (the maximum) fee when the actual content obviously doesn't have the same cost? For example, I've studied a (ridiculous) tonne of things at University. English language and literature, philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, computer science... And many of the courses just aren't comparable if they were to be taken to degree level. For example, philosophy and English literature are VERY light on class time for obvious reasons; a lot of the course is reading, writing essays, and self driven study and that's how it should be and the only way it can be. On the flip side, Computer Science involves dozens of hours of lab time per week, lots of tutorial and face time with staff, access to expensive equipment and software, etc. Psychology, economics, politics fall somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really make sense that a year's tuition for a self driven study course like Philosophy, and a year's tuition for a heavy technical course like CompSci, have the same tuition fee.
It is ridiculous that courses with different earning potentials and different levels of content and related expense cost the same. We agree on that at least. I see no valid reason why different types of courses should all cost the same and any government in charge should exercise common sense and look into that.
No doubt some will say the government do so deliberately for monatory gain, maybe so, but to me with the other issues in this country, that would not be on my list of priorities personally, although to others that would not be the case. I do not however agree that free education at that level should be free for all. It is a priviledge not a right.
Kizzy
10-03-2018, 11:40 AM
Well, the thinking is if you get the higher education you also get a well paid job at the end of it which is the whole point of paying for that privilege. Then you pay it back gradually when you are employed and can afford to. Sounds fair enough to me. Student loans also include accommodation, food and utility bills - nobody can expect to get all that for free.
Too many students are accepted for and take degrees in subjects which have no specific demand in the workplace/too many after just one job.
These days, uni's accept people they wouldn't have years ago and it's not fair on the students; entry levels should be much higher and fees reduced - imo only the very brightest and those who will be most in demand to fill certain jobs should be accepted.
Not saying your daughter isn't in that category of course!
Then the thinking is flawed, the lecturers delivering the courses do not get these fees, when tuition was trebled their salary didn't multiply.. Tutors were protesting alongside students in 2010 they knew the changes were only to line the pockets of private interest.
I'm referring specifically to tuition fees. Food and accommodation have always been extra.
All unis have entry criteria, they haven't lowered standards, if it's an AAA course then 3 A grade ( or modern equivalent) A levels are required still. ( my daughter filled this criteria)
I have no issue to be fair with charging for some degrees if I'm honest, it's the vocational such as nursing or engineering, or subjects like maths, English or the sciences that should be free for all.
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