Do YOU think horse racing is cruel ?

[Kazanne]

I have seen an awful video today of one of the horses killed this week in this 'sport' the front leg was actually snapped the bone showing and leg bent wrong way up, I have always thought horse racing was cruel,this week 6 horses have died,

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My question is do you think it's cruel? If not why ? needless to say,I do, and I am surprised so many people partake in it and condone it.That horse must have been in complete agony.:rant:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/932819/Cheltenham-2018-Sandsend-broken-leg-Festival
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/kazanne/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kazanne/media/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg.html)

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[Underscore]

It's vile.

[RileyH]

no

[jaxie]

I do think it's cruel but what is worse is how these beautiful animals are discarded after they have served their purpose.

[AnnieK]

My god that picture is awful Kaz....:sad:

[Kazanne]

I do think it's cruel but what is worse is how these beautiful animals are discarded after they have served their purpose.

Yes ,that's another thing jaxie, it's like hunting dogs etc, they are treated like objects.

[Maru]

Yes

[Kazanne]

My god that picture is awful Kaz....:sad:

I know Annie ,the video is worse, I really hate that they suffer like that.

[y.winter]

Yes it is, and that's a fact with many receipts. We've had a discussion about it previously.
It's the same as circus with animals and it should have the same destiny.

[montblanc]

yes

[Toy Soldier]

Yes and I work in the betting industry. Jumps especially are awful. Greyhounds, too.

[Jamie89]

Yes. Pigeon racing as well! When I was younger one fell in our garden because it had a damaged wing so we looked after it till it healed. My dad called the owner (there were contact details attached to its leg) and he told him that if he did return it he wouldn't have any use for it anymore as it was damaged. It was bittersweet when it did heal and was able to fly away, knowing that it would probably fly back to the owner and to it's death :sad:

[Alf]

Do you think it's cruel to send humans to work, were they can and do suffer injury and death?

Should we ban work for humans?

[Kazanne]

Do you think it's cruel to send humans to work, were they can and do suffer injury and death?

Should we ban work for humans?

Humans have a choice Alf , horses don't.The only cruelty I see is dealt by humans:shrug:

[y.winter]

Do you ask humans if they want to work or not?
Do you ask horses if they want to go through this physical hell?

Is a choice being given?

[MTVN]

No, great sport

Race horses lead much better lives than most horses

[Alf]

Do you ask humans if they want to work or not?
Do you ask horses if they want to go through this physical hell?

Is a choice being given?If I want a roof over my head and food in my belly, I have no choice but to work for it. Same for an horse.

[y.winter]

If I want a roof over my head and food in my belly, I have no choice but to work for it. Same for an horse.You can choose what to do for work, no one will push you (and of they do, then is it right?)

And believe it or not, horses don't need you nor human help to survive. Go to the wild and see how animals happen to exist, naturally.

[Kizzy]

Shocking pic, is 6 racehorses a week the norm! I had no idea thought it was just a freak accident :(

[DemolitionRed]

No, great sport

Race horses lead much better lives than most horses

Until something happens to them that deems them unsuitable for racing. It doesn't take a broken leg to have a racehorse shot. When a race horse can no longer race, its worth more dead to its owner than alive.

[Brillopad]

I have seen an awful video today of one of the horses killed this week in this 'sport' the front leg was actually snapped the bone showing and leg bent wrong way up, I have always thought horse racing was cruel,this week 6 horses have died,

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My question is do you think it's cruel? If not why ? needless to say,I do, and I am surprised so many people partake in it and condone it.That horse must have been in complete agony.:rant:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/932819/Cheltenham-2018-Sandsend-broken-leg-Festival
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/kazanne/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kazanne/media/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg.html)

Petition here if anyone is interested in signing it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211950

Yes undoubtedly. That poor horse. It has always broken my heart how so many die every year like that and came as quite a shock when I first heard that. There should be tighter controls on any sports involving animals. It isn’t right.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes its cruel.
Race horses are backed before their skeleton has fully formed ensuring most ex race horses that are lucky enough to be sold on will have ongoing and often crippling back pain.

Race horses are purely a commodity. They are only worth what they win in a race or what the insurers pay out on their death.

Fit race horses eat an excessive amount of oats which often cause a condition called azoturia. This makes the horse go into excruciating cramp where its body ties up.

[Kazanne]

No, great sport

Race horses lead much better lives than most horses

That's not quite true though is it MTVN ? many horses are treated cruelly to make them jump when being trained,even electric prods were used not sure if they are still allowed but behind the scenes is not as pretty as some like to think,there are numerous stories about this, I really don't think anything about it is 'great' except maybe the amount of money that passes hands.So many are injured because they are far too young to be worked so hard, but the bigger issue is the thousands that are slaughtered each year because they were not fast enough, didn't jump high enough, just didn't make the grade.

[DemolitionRed]

It should also be said, polo is an incredibly cruel sport. The training process for these horses (called ponies) is so harsh, that it loses all its natural spirit and becomes zombified. I worked for a couple of weeks in a polo yard but I couldn't stand it and still have nightmares about that experience.

[Kazanne]

It should also be said, polo is an incredibly cruel sport. The training process for these horses (called ponies) is so harsh, that it loses all its natural spirit and becomes zombified. I worked for a couple of weeks in a polo yard but I couldn't stand it and still have nightmares about that experience.

That sounds awful,not surprised you left,I do hate they way we use animals in the name of sport.

[Marsh.]

Do you think it's cruel to send humans to work, were they can and do suffer injury and death?

Should we ban work for humans?

Humans aren't forced into life threatening situations. They have a choice.

Humans don't need to enter life threatening situations to pay the bills, so human jobs aren't comparable. Horses/animals don't need to "work" to survive.

But you know that.

[michael21]

I have seen an awful video today of one of the horses killed this week in this 'sport' the front leg was actually snapped the bone showing and leg bent wrong way up, I have always thought horse racing was cruel,this week 6 horses have died,

Mossback
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Sandsend
North Hill Harvey
Dresden
Some Plan

My question is do you think it's cruel? If not why ? needless to say,I do, and I am surprised so many people partake in it and condone it.That horse must have been in complete agony.:rant:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/932819/Cheltenham-2018-Sandsend-broken-leg-Festivalues
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/kazanne/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kazanne/media/horse%20leg_zps9btpsdq6.jpg.html)

Petition here if anyone is interested in signing it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211950

What about showjumping

Showjumping might not seem cruel but the horse are put thought hours of training

I bet on football not horse

[Niamh.]

Yes

[michael21]

Yes

:laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

Do you think it's cruel to send humans to work, were they can and do suffer injury and death?

Should we ban work for humans?Is a horse there voluntarily? Do horses get paid in anything other than food and shelter? No?

Then a human in that situation would not be considered to have a job... Instead, that would be slavery.

What you get up to at the weekends is your own business Alf, but most people do NOT want to be slaves.

[Niamh.]

[emoji23]**** off

[michael21]

**** off

I posted :laugh:

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

[MTVN]

Blimey

[michael21]

Blimey

I blame the queen

[Marsh.]

**** off

:joker::joker::joker:

[Alf]

Grand National next month.

Can't wait! Love those big fences!

[michael21]

:joker::joker::joker:

She might be drunk :fist::fist::fist:

[michael21]

Grand National next month.

Can't wait! Love those big fences!

April 14th the same day as spurs play man city at 7.45 on sky

And it live :wavey:

[Marsh.]

Grand National next month.

Can't wait! Love those big fences!

Oh look at him! Mocking a serious debate with his edgy comments! Isn't he clever!

[Ammi]

..that poor horse, Kaz..Sandsend..:sad:..heartbreaking and also thinking of how long the ecruitiating pain he endured would have been before he was ‘put down’...also the first sentence of that article being...’he had, had a decent chance of winning’...that being more the prime thing..?...awful...in general, horses and meant to be mounted with a rider and bear that weight, surely...because if they were, then why would a wild horse in a natural habitat have to be ‘tamed’ in order to be ridden...or ‘broken’ as it’s referred to also...animals are not meant to be or feel ‘broken’...and especially not for a sport, a money making form of entertainment as horse racing is...we have progressed so much in ‘human time on earth’...surely we don’t have to ‘break living creatures’, to fulfill entertainment in the sporting/competitive world...we must have advanced beyond that ...these horses are bred specifically for, so just wouldn’t be../..wouldn’t have existence if horse racing was not a thing...so there’s that as well, there will be no option of a ‘different life’ for them, because they just wouldn’t be, I assume...but sadly that’s (for me..)..the better option...

[Niamh.]

She might be drunk :fist::fist::fist:I was a little bit drunk sorry :fan:

[Kazanne]

What about showjumping

Showjumping might not seem cruel but the horse are put thought hours of training

I bet on football not horse

All sport on horseback is cruel,imo, and for what purpose ? money

[Kazanne]

..that poor horse, Kaz..Sandsend..:sad:..heartbreaking and also thinking of how long the ecruitiating pain he endured would have been before he was ‘put down’...also the first sentence of that article being...’he had, had a decent chance of winning’...that being more the prime thing..?...awful...in general, horses and meant to be mounted with a rider and bear that weight, surely...because if they were, then why would a wild horse in a natural habitat have to be ‘tamed’ in order to be ridden...or ‘broken’ as it’s referred to also...animals are not meant to be or feel ‘broken’...and especially not for a sport, a money making form of entertainment as horse racing is...we have progressed so much in ‘human time on earth’...surely we don’t have to ‘break living creatures’, to fulfill entertainment in the sporting/competitive world...we must have advanced beyond that ...these horses are bred specifically for, so just wouldn’t be../..wouldn’t have existence if horse racing was not a thing...so there’s that as well, there will be no option of a ‘different life’ for them, because they just wouldn’t be, I assume...but sadly that’s (for me..)..the better option...

To be honest Ammi,I would rather see the breed die out so they dont have to go through this sort of thing,I would rather not see them at all than to see them suffer.

[Kazanne]

Grand National next month.

Can't wait! Love those big fences!

You probably wouldn't if you had to jump them ,with someone kneeing you in the nether regions and beating you.:fist:

[bots]

On balance, i don't think horse racing is cruel because horses love to run. What is cruel, is doing things like beating them to run faster, or mistreating them in the name of sport. Putting them in danger or too much stress with large fences etc, I also think is incorrect.

So race them by all means, but look after them and treat them with respect.

[Kazanne]

Oh look at him! Mocking a serious debate with his edgy comments! Isn't he clever!

Bit disappointed in Alf with his response really:nono:

[Jamie89]

..that poor horse, Kaz..Sandsend..:sad:..heartbreaking and also thinking of how long the ecruitiating pain he endured would have been before he was ‘put down’...also the first sentence of that article being...’he had, had a decent chance of winning’...that being more the prime thing..?...awful...in general, horses and meant to be mounted with a rider and bear that weight, surely...because if they were, then why would a wild horse in a natural habitat have to be ‘tamed’ in order to be ridden...or ‘broken’ as it’s referred to also...animals are not meant to be or feel ‘broken’...and especially not for a sport, a money making form of entertainment as horse racing is...we have progressed so much in ‘human time on earth’...surely we don’t have to ‘break living creatures’, to fulfill entertainment in the sporting/competitive world...we must have advanced beyond that ...these horses are bred specifically for, so just wouldn’t be../..wouldn’t have existence if horse racing was not a thing...so there’s that as well, there will be no option of a ‘different life’ for them, because they just wouldn’t be, I assume...but sadly that’s (for me..)..the better option...

I agree. It's often said 'well they wouldn't be alive in the first place if it wasn't for horse racing' but I doubt those people would be in favour of breeding humans for sport and justifying it by saying 'well those humans wouldn't be alive if we didn't'.

[Marsh.]

Bit disappointed in Alf with his response really:nono:
Oh he doesn't actually mean it. He posts contrary comments for the reaction.

[Ammi]

I agree. It's often said 'well they wouldn't be alive in the first place if it wasn't for horse racing' but I doubt those people would be in favour of breeding humans for sport and justifying it by saying 'well those humans wouldn't be alive if we didn't'.

...yeah, like impregnating to create ‘human slaves’...but you wouldn’t have the pleasure of being a slave for your whole life if we hadn’t created youand we feed and groom you as well so hush down...:fist:...only there isn’t even any ‘purpose’ to it, other than sport../...entertainment ...and money making...

[Toy Soldier]

Just as a side thought to this terrifying distopian idea: d'you think if we DID specifically breed and train humans for sport, they would end up totally smashing world records? Like would the ones bred for speed be running the 100m in like 6 seconds? And would we have Olympic swimmers with massive flipper feet due to selective breeding? :think:. I mean it's horrifying but... Sort of fascinating...

Like I've always said that I'd totally watch an Olympics where there were no bans on performance enhancing drugs. Just to see what would happen :joker:

[Marsh.]

Just as a side thought to this terrifying distopian idea: d'you think if we DID specifically breed and train humans for sport, they would end up totally smashing world records? Like would the ones bred for speed be running the 100m in like 6 seconds? And would we have Olympic swimmers with massive flipper feet due to selective breeding? :think:. I mean it's horrifying but... Sort of fascinating...

Like I've always said that I'd totally watch an Olympics where there were no bans on performance enhancing drugs. Just to see what would happen :joker:
I just pictured a bunch of smack heads drowning for some reason.

But then also that tournament from Harry potter where they could use any magic they liked in the tasks so you ended up with players with shark head and gills.

[Morgan.]

Completely cruel

[Vicky.]

Just as a side thought to this terrifying distopian idea: d'you think if we DID specifically breed and train humans for sport, they would end up totally smashing world records? Like would the ones bred for speed be running the 100m in like 6 seconds? And would we have Olympic swimmers with massive flipper feet due to selective breeding? :think:. I mean it's horrifying but... Sort of fascinating...

Like I've always said that I'd totally watch an Olympics where there were no bans on performance enhancing drugs. Just to see what would happen :joker:

Well theres an interesting thought D:

I think they would definitely smash the records, but even thinking about this is making me feel a bit dodgy :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

We could allow cybernetic enhancements... And the wrestling would be like Robot Wars!

[Shaun]

I just find it incredibly boring. The actual race is thrilling, sure, but the entire environment of rich, upper-class horsey bores that surrounds the sport is very draining. I wouldn't miss it if it stopped.

[Marsh.]

I just find it incredibly boring. The actual race is thrilling, sure, but the entire environment of rich, upper-class horsey bores that surrounds the sport is very draining. I wouldn't miss it if it stopped.

Or the opposite, scruffy layabouts putting 50p on an each way in a crummy shop in a backstreet somewhere and then almost having a heart attack screaming at the TV when they lost their FITY THOUS.... erm, fifty pence.

*shudders*

:laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

Or the opposite, scruffy layabouts putting 50p on an each way in a crummy shop in a backstreet somewhere and then almost having a heart attack screaming at the TV when they lost their FITY THOUS.... erm, fifty pence.

*shudders*

[emoji23]

It's the scruffy layabouts that ARE betting £100+ per race that are a real headscratcher :think:. Well I mean not that much of a headscratcher but... "Officially" a headscratcher. "Where does he get his money? Oh I have no idea, he certainly isn't selling mountains of street vallium, officer."

[Marsh.]

It's the scruffy layabouts that ARE betting £100+ per race that are a real headscratcher :think:. Well I mean not that much of a headscratcher but... "Officially" a headscratcher. "Where does he get his money? Oh I have no idea, he certainly isn't selling mountains of street vallium, officer."

:joker:

[waterhog]

as bad as it is we must remember the horse that race are extremely well looked after and have the best food to keep them in mint condition. yes it sad when things like this happen but this story is of the minority and not the majority.

( I bet on poetic justice last grand national - it came last and he went round the track backwards. )

[Alf]

Oh look at him! Mocking a serious debate with his edgy comments! Isn't he clever!Can't you ever keep on topic?

Your post here is, you trying to entice me into a argument, nothing in your post is on topic, but yet you try telling me that my posts are never on topic.

[Marsh.]

Can't you ever keep on topic?

Your post here is, you trying to entice me into a argument, nothing in your post is on topic, but yet you try telling me that my posts are never on topic.

Your post there was, trying to bait everyone who is against horse racing into believing you were filled with glee at the prospect of those big fences at the Grand National. Clever.

[Alf]

Bit disappointed in Alf with his response really:nono:Don't be dissapointed in me.

I understand the reasons why you'd be against horse racing. But there is dangers in all walks of life. The horses love racing and the deaths are quite rare, considering hundreds of horses are running every single day.

My favourite sport is rugby league, there has been deaths on the field in that sport too recently, and injuries are picked up every week. Players that actually play that sport, think the game is going soft, with the constantant rule changes for safety.

Horses will refuse to run if they don't want to.

[Kazanne]

6 horses died in this festival and it seems to have been glossed over by the media,money again.here is another one that died.
https://i.imgur.com/D5JZ0SZ.jpg

[michael21]

I was a little bit drunk sorry :fan:

That cool dont worry :banana:

[michael21]

All sport on horseback is cruel,imo, and for what purpose ? money

Your right also in horse racing the jokey use wipe to make the horse run faster

I don't think it get ban altogether but a wipe ban should of be apose a long time ago

[DemolitionRed]

On balance, i don't think horse racing is cruel because horses love to run. What is cruel, is doing things like beating them to run faster, or mistreating them in the name of sport. Putting them in danger or too much stress with large fences etc, I also think is incorrect.

So race them by all means, but look after them and treat them with respect.

When they train and select runners, they always look for a horse that likes to be out at the front. You're right, the sort of horse that's picked out to be a race horse is a horse that loves to gallop. When you're bringing a horse up for the race track, it spends a huge amount of time on the gallops and from the moment it hits that grass/sand, its eager to run.

The problems I see is too many horses. These horses can clear these fences with ease but when you have 15 or more horses approaching a four an a half foot fence with an added half foot of spruce added on top, it only takes one horse to hesitate or veer sideways to cause accidents and subsequent injuries/deaths.
In the GN they run 40 horses over 30 fences, some of them 6ft in height, which makes it the most likely race a horse will meet its maker. If they halved the number of horses and got rid of beeches brook we wouldn't get anything like number of horse fatalities we see at the moment.

[Kazanne]

IF they are born to 'race' as some claim ,then why do they have too be 'BROKEN in' horses throw people from their backs until they are 'broken' in, it's not natural for them to have someone on their backs pushing their knees into them and being whipped, I get they love to run,but only at the pace they choose I would bet. There are too many horses and the fences aren't needed, about time these so called animal lovers got a grip and did something about it.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not as mad on the fences, I don't mind the flat racing though.

[DemolitionRed]

IF they are born to 'race' as some claim ,then why do they have too be 'BROKEN in' horses throw people from their backs until they are 'broken' in, it's not natural for them to have someone on their backs pushing their knees into them and being whipped, I get they love to run,but only at the pace they choose I would bet. There are too many horses and the fences aren't needed, about time these so called animal lovers got a grip and did something about it.

Horses have been successfully ridden for over 5 thousand years. As a keen horse rider and long time owner of horses and having backed gently (not broken) horses myself, I can tell you that most horses don't try and buck a rider off. There are kind ways to back a fully grown horse as a three or even four year old and its done through time, trust and patience. People often use a method called 'natural horsemanship' where they speak the language of the horse and don't ever use a whip to frighten the animal and certainly never dig their knees into it.

Wild horses tend to be used for the meat market. Many Dartmoor ponies are rounded up once a year for the abattoir. If horses weren't ever kept as pets and ridden, they would just become another part of the meat chain. My first pony lived to the ripe old age of 30 and was a much loved member of our family.

[Kazanne]

Horses have been successfully ridden for over 5 thousand years. As a keen horse rider and long time owner of horses and having backed gently (not broken) horses myself, I can tell you that most horses don't try and buck a rider off. There are kind ways to back a fully grown horse as a three or even four year old and its done through time, trust and patience. People often use a method called 'natural horsemanship' where they speak the language of the horse and don't ever use a whip to frighten the animal and certainly never dig their knees into it.

Wild horses tend to be used for the meat market. Many Dartmoor ponies are rounded up once a year for the abattoir. If horses weren't ever kept as pets and ridden, they would just become another part of the meat chain. My first pony lived to the ripe old age of 30 and was a much loved member of our family.

I totally get all that ,but it's the racing I find cruel and not everyone cares for them as you obviously do,they are just a money making commodity to some and are not treated so good,some are raced when they are too young, they are poked and prodded to run faster ,and the jumps are just ridiculous.

[DemolitionRed]

I totally get all that ,but it's the racing I find cruel and not everyone cares for them as you obviously do,they are just a money making commodity to some and are not reated so good,some are raced when they are too young, they poked and prodded to run faster ,and the jumps are just ridiculous.

I agree with all of that.
Of course, some failed racehorses get sold on for team chasing, which is equally dangerous but many get sold on to naive newbie horse owners who can't believe what a bargain such a fine looking horse is and WOW an 'ex racehorse!!" They then discover that every time their horse gets gets on turf, it wants to gallop and there's no stopping it or its so fizzy they daren't ride it and they often find the horse has massive skeleton problems and deemed unfit for purpose. It then gets sold on again and again.

The life of a racehorse isn't great but the life of an ex racehorse is equally concerning.

[Beso]

No not really, the horses seem to enjoy it. If anyone has ever worked in a stable they will know how much a horse enjoys human contact.

But then again if a horse falls and breaks a leg it will be shot on the track because it would take to long to safely remove it without further injuring it..therefore the next race would be held up and TS and his bookmaking chums would lose out.

So, i would say the betting industry is cruel as most owners run the horses for enjoyment rather than profit.

[waterhog]

I was racing a horse this morning and it went 3 times round the track and lapped me. and it showed its big nashers at me and done meyourrrrrrrrrrr and I think that's cruel - anyone on my side :joker:

[Beso]

Isnt there someone on here who owns racehorses?...im sure ive tipped one of thiers b4..hellobud i think it was.