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So you're using links to the Daily Star because?
Oh that was what came up when i typed "does ant bully joe swash"
Cause you questioned my opinion and stated that I was the only one that had seen this.
The links were merely to point out you were talking horlicks....but still its not enough.
Jack_
20-03-2018, 08:12 PM
You are wrong jack, im not some daft idiot who doesnt know how tv shows work.:nono:
To me, i can see a deeper rooted problem with them 2...so joe shuts his mouth as he knows how it went for ants ex mrs.
With all due respect, if that's true, why are you missing the fact that they've been doing the same ribbing of one another for years on end? And that Joe's purpose on that show is to be the butt of everyone's jokes? And that in November 2017 (when the series we're discussing was on-air), Ant and Lisa had not yet officially split, let alone had she 'been sacked' (as you are falsely alluding to) from Saturday Night Takeaway?
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 08:13 PM
Oh that was what came up when i typed "does ant bully joe swash"
Yes, asking google that is undeniable proof. :joker:
Papers never exaggerate anything.
Most of the articles simply hint at a possible feud. Quite different from trying to spin a bullying story. But whatever.
AnnieK
20-03-2018, 08:17 PM
Wow.....lots of people are privy to an awful lot of private information on this thread. Where do you get your information??
Addicts are addicts, in some ways having the type of money Ant does enables his descent into addiction far more than a regular addict and I don't mean that he can afford the substances that he is abusing, I mean he can hide it far easier. A regular addict will steal and cheat to get a fix, Ant doesn't need to do that. He also has a strong inner circle paid to hide his addiction, if I had an addiction someone would notice it but Ant has people to hide that from everyone.
Yes he has money for rehab but to go into rehab an addict has firstly to acknowledge the problem and anyone who has been an addict or knows anyone who is /has been knows that is the single biggest issue of any addiction.
If Ant was over either drink drive or drug drive levels he should be treated exactly the same as any member of the public. He is foolish, irresponsible and ill.
People have very little sympathy for addicts, I am not one of them. I can sympathise due to personal experiences, I don't excuse but sympathise.
With all due respect, if that's true, why are you missing the fact that they've been doing the same ribbing of one another for years on end? And that Joe's purpose on that show is to be the butt of everyone's jokes? And that in November 2017 (when the series we're discussing was on-air), Ant and Lisa had not yet officially split, let alone had she 'been sacked' (as you are falsely alluding to) from Saturday Night Takeaway?
Ok fair enough about the wife.
But i still trust my judgement on this, and the judgement of many others.
You see it differently than i do and thats fine..but please dont make out your opinion is fact...
I see fun ribbing from dec, but ants usually just digging that bit nastier and to me when i watch it looks like he gets a kick the nastier he gets and further away from the sctipt they get...oh btw...ant and dec dont have a script for thier only segment in the aftershow, so its all ad lib...
Brillopad
20-03-2018, 08:25 PM
You literally said "what problems can he have".
Disgusting comment.
So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.
I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.
AnnieK
20-03-2018, 08:30 PM
So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.
I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.
He isn't a father, I think that issue is where some of the issues in the marriage came from. He and Lisa were unable to conceive. Again, as someone who has faced infertility (thankfully finally having a child), I can appreciate the stress that puts on a person and any relationship. Just because he is rich doesn't mean he doesn't face struggles as everyone else.
I agree though that he could have killed someone and thankfully the family were ok and that's why it is important he faces this, takes any punishment and kicks the addictions
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 08:37 PM
So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.
I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.
No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.
But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.
All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.
Brillopad
20-03-2018, 08:43 PM
No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.
But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.
All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.
No-one is saying he doesn’t feel pain but to act in a manner that could cause pain, suffering and death to others is not acceptable - celebrity or not.
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 08:43 PM
No-one is saying he doesn’t feel pain but to act in a manner that could cause pain, suffering and death to others is not acceptable - celebrity or not.
Nobody said it was acceptable.
Brillopad
20-03-2018, 08:44 PM
No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.
But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.
All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.
And clearly related to how others were stating he needed help!
Brillopad
20-03-2018, 08:48 PM
Nobody said it was acceptable.
Some have acted as though he was the only victim.
Tony Montana
20-03-2018, 08:51 PM
He needs to get serious help
Cherie
20-03-2018, 08:51 PM
n a statement an ITV spokesman said: “ITV has taken a joint decision with Ant and Dec’s team not to broadcast Saturday Night Takeaway this weekend. We will be reviewing options for the last two episodes of the series (March 31 and April 7) which would not feature Ant who is taking time off to seek treatment. We very much hope that he gets the help that he needs.”
Since that statement was issued, Good Morning Britain’s senior news correspondent Jonathan Swain, claims Dec will still be jetting out to Orlando to present the final episode as planned. He said: “The final episode was due to be live from Orlando, Florida with a planeload of competition winners. Well, Dec will now be hosting that without his long-term best friend and presenting partner.”
:clap2: hope this is true
AnnieK
20-03-2018, 08:53 PM
I don't believe Ant is a victim as such at all. I think he is an addict (a victim of circumstance maybe) and as an addict he should get help to get well again.
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 09:14 PM
Some have acted as though he was the only victim.
Who?
Morgan.
20-03-2018, 09:32 PM
Thought I'd put this here. I know someone who knows Ant (I'm assuming from rehab, but she's been in a well known rehab with celebs before) and she says she knows he is at home so he may be accepting other methods of threatment but he's not in rehab.
Jack_
20-03-2018, 09:35 PM
Ok fair enough about the wife.
But i still trust my judgement on this, and the judgement of many others.
You see it differently than i do and thats fine..but please dont make out your opinion is fact...
I see fun ribbing from dec, but ants usually just digging that bit nastier and to me when i watch it looks like he gets a kick the nastier he gets and further away from the sctipt they get...oh btw...ant and dec dont have a script for thier only segment in the aftershow, so its all ad lib...
The 'many others' being the Daily Express' clickbait articles and the few tweets they plucked out to support their fanciful claims?
I'm fully aware they don't have a script for their interview on Extra Camp, it's an interview. They do, however, have the same formula for how that plays out and have done for several years before this ever became a (non) issue. The boys walk in, Joe makes a silly jibe or flirts, Ant bites back, the two exchange some digs, the interview continues, and then Ant walks out and says 'shut up Joe' or something similar. Every night. Every series.
The rest of the show includes Joe making often deliberately dumb comments, so that everyone else can take the piss out of his perceived stupidity - only for him to sit there with a confused and embarrassed look. That's the gag, that's his shtick and his act.
The fact that this continues year after year, and the fact that Ant and Joe socialise when they're not filming, and the fact that Joe has seemingly not spoken to either Ant or his producers and asked for it to be toned down - suggests that he doesn't have a problem with it, because it's "part of the show". It's television, after all.
Ross.
20-03-2018, 09:38 PM
Has Holly Willoughby been announced as the new face of ITV's Saturday nights yet
kirklancaster
20-03-2018, 09:45 PM
Has Holly Willoughby been announced as the new face of ITV's Saturday nights yet
Here for that Ross - She is HOT. :hee:
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 09:48 PM
Has Holly Willoughby been announced as the new face of ITV's Saturday nights yet
Phil & Holly's Saturday Night Takeaway?
Has Holly Willoughby been announced as the new face of ITV's Saturday nights yet
I can’t stand her
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 09:51 PM
I can’t stand her
Jealous because you're still a fat unmarried ho?
kirklancaster
20-03-2018, 09:54 PM
I can’t stand her
:laugh: I'm old Cal - even Ann Widdicombe is beginning to look hot to me. :hee:
Ross.
20-03-2018, 09:54 PM
I can’t stand her
Shut up!
Lets face it, hes only seeking help again because he has neen found out again...he must have known he has a problem before this...so why not seek help before?...damage limitation...perhaps.
Ross.
20-03-2018, 09:57 PM
Here for that Ross - She is HOT. :hee:
Phil & Holly's Saturday Night Takeaway?
They're COMING
https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2017/03/Holly-Willoughby-and-Phillip-Schofield-feat-622x830.jpg
Jack_
20-03-2018, 09:58 PM
n a statement an ITV spokesman said: “ITV has taken a joint decision with Ant and Dec’s team not to broadcast Saturday Night Takeaway this weekend. We will be reviewing options for the last two episodes of the series (March 31 and April 7) which would not feature Ant who is taking time off to seek treatment. We very much hope that he gets the help that he needs.”
Since that statement was issued, Good Morning Britain’s senior news correspondent Jonathan Swain, claims Dec will still be jetting out to Orlando to present the final episode as planned. He said: “The final episode was due to be live from Orlando, Florida with a planeload of competition winners. Well, Dec will now be hosting that without his long-term best friend and presenting partner.”
:clap2: hope this is true
Me too. Though I hope the penultimate show goes ahead too, I only remembered earlier it's the final one from The London Studios and I imagine they had some big send-off planned, it'll be a shame if that doesn't get to go ahead :sad:
AnnieK
20-03-2018, 10:08 PM
Lets face it, hes only seeking help again because he has neen found out again...he must have known he has a problem before this...so why not seek help before?...damage limitation...perhaps.
Quite possibly is damage limitation. Whatever the reason, help to beat an addiction can only be a good thing surely?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the single biggest thing to get an addict to do is accept they need help....but that help will only work if it is really what the addict wants. I only hope Ant realises that if he wants a normal life again, let alone salvage his career, his recovery needs to be complete, not a half hearted attempt this time.
I know you have no sympathy for him and that's your right , addicts cause pain and destruction. I personally just hope he can beat it and it doesn't consume him any more than it already has.
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 10:11 PM
Lets face it, hes only seeking help again because he has neen found out again...he must have known he has a problem before this...so why not seek help before?...damage limitation...perhaps.
Some people need things like this as a wake up call to actually do something. They wallow in the problem or the addiction until something happens to shake them or cause them to hit rock bottom.
Matthew.
20-03-2018, 10:13 PM
as much as i dont agree with drink driving at all, i was so annoyed at piers morgan on the good morning britain this morning saying that he’s had too much people be like “are you ok mate” and not enough “get a grip”
has it been confirmed how much he was over the limit by?
Denver
20-03-2018, 10:13 PM
We want Alan Carr's Saturday Night Takeaway
Firewire
20-03-2018, 10:14 PM
Who's we?
Marsh.
20-03-2018, 10:14 PM
Who's we?
Adam and his cat?
Denver
20-03-2018, 10:15 PM
The Great English Public
Firewire
20-03-2018, 10:15 PM
Oh good I'm glad I'm not part of that!
Denver
20-03-2018, 10:17 PM
But how could anyone not love the funniest an on TV after Peter Kay
Matthew.
20-03-2018, 10:17 PM
But how could anyone not love the funniest an on TV after Peter Kay
peter kay’s saturday night takeaway ****ing hell great idea
Quite possibly is damage limitation. Whatever the reason, help to beat an addiction can only be a good thing surely?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the single biggest thing to get an addict to do is accept they need help....but that help will only work if it is really what the addict wants. I only hope Ant realises that if he wants a normal life again, let alone salvage his career, his recovery needs to be complete, not a half hearted attempt this time.
I know you have no sympathy for him and that's your right , addicts cause pain and destruction. I personally just hope he can beat it and it doesn't consume him any more than it already has.
I think most addicts know they have a problem, so the hardest thing is getting them to seek the help they need.
I also know tramadols a bitch to come off of and it is similar to heroin in its withdrawal symptoms.
So why would a DR keep prescribing them to him after the public became aware of his problems last year?
Maybe because he is a powerfull tv star who can bend the rules? That is why i have no sympathy for him, but loads for his victims.
AnnieK
20-03-2018, 10:19 PM
as much as i dont agree with drink driving at all, i was so annoyed at piers morgan on the good morning britain this morning saying that he’s had too much people be like “are you ok mate” and not enough “get a grip”
has it been confirmed how much he was over the limit by?
Its not been confirmed if he was even over the limit at the station yet. All they have said is that he failed the roadside test. Its possible to fail that but pass the more accurate test. Whether the police and or media are not releasing info is not yet certain but they said he has been released pending investigation which is odd if he did blow over the limit they would normally charge there and then, they did with Wayne Rooney and Kristy Gallagher.
Matthew.
20-03-2018, 10:20 PM
Its not been confirmed if he was even over the limit at the station yet. All they have said is that he failed the roadside test. Its possible to fail that but pass the more accurate test.
exactly, so we shouldnt just assume he failed the blood test as well
Some people need things like this as a wake up call to actually do something. They wallow in the problem or the addiction until something happens to shake them or cause them to hit rock bottom.
...with addictions...’rock bottoms’ will vary as well, won’t they..?...which as Parmy has said in that Ant has sought help before, acknowledged his pain killer addiction...but that obviously wasn’t his ‘rock bottom’ though...he still had an alcohol addiction which he obviously hadn’t yet ‘acknowledged’ yet...so was beyond help from anyone around him until he did...that’s the thing with addiction..’only the addict can’../..can make the changes in their lives...and so difficult for those around him who love him to feel so helpless...
...he absolutely needs to face what he has done, completely...his actions could have taken lives...thank the Lord there was no loss of life or serious injuries...I doubt those involved in the other cars are feeling...hopefully Ant will get help now, that was lucky etc...but more, in a split moment ..we thought it was all going to end..and obviously for the small child as well...just horrendous to think about, what must have been felt by all involved in those moments...(..and maybe, I don’t know...)...there is now very much the thought of...he’s getting so much support and well wishes because he’s ‘Ant’...but what about us, we were ‘the victims’ and only ‘small cuts and injuries’ doesn’t come even close to describing those moments which will take some healing...and barely any media coverage..it’s all about him, type thing...so it’s a difficult one also....
...so yeah...I hope this is his rock bottom...with no loss of life...I hope he can now heal and become well...whatever happens in his career in the future...that’s the most important thing...career, money etc is nothing and of no importance if you’ve ‘lost yourself’ when alcohol becomes the person in its control over you../..the control that it’s being allowed...so sad to see in anyone, whether celebrity or not..:sad:...
....yeah sorry Marsh...what I meant to say was...I agree, a ‘wake up call’ is often what is needed to realise that rock bottom has been reached...I hope so much this is that call for Ant...
It may not be his rock bottom, no one died. He may selfishly ignore it all like he has done in the past.
But yeah, what about the victims, im hoping this incident and the way they have been ignored in all this does not sink them into a fit of despair and depression, cause it easily could.
Brillopad
21-03-2018, 07:59 AM
It may not be his rock bottom, no one died. He may selfishly ignore it all like he has done in the past.
But yeah, what about the victims, im hoping this incident and the way they have been ignored in all this does not sink them into a fit of despair and depression, cause it easily could.
Thankfully I have not been involved in a road accident - but no doubt such a traumatic experience could cause mental health problems for the victims, who were fortunate enough to escape significant physical injuries - due to Ant’s actions. Either way they are the real victims here but somehow the thread is all about poor Ant.
One only needs to look at George Best and Paul Gasgoine for examples of having plenty money etc, knowing they have a problem, and still not able to beat the demons.
I hope Ant isn't in the same category as those two examples, but it's looking increasingly like it.
Brillopad
21-03-2018, 10:12 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5853129/ant-mcpartlin-video-footage-families-involved-crash-about/
It seems it was the actions of the other mini driver to avoid a head-on crash that prevented more serious injuries. Ant certainly seems to have been driving recklessly.
Livia
21-03-2018, 10:43 AM
Some of the nicest, most reasonable people I know have drink driving convictions. Now, I'm not saying that's not a problem, a drink driver nearly killed me a couple of years ago. But let's get it into perspective.... he's a famous face, people filmed the incident and gave or sold it to the press, we watched the footage out of context, he was arrested for failing a roadside breath test but as far as I know he hasn't actually been charged with anything. No one was hurt... he's not the Pope, he's an entertainer, flawed like the rest of us. I can see why they've taken him off air for a while, but talk if his career being over is just wishful thinking on the part of all those people who've lost out in the BAFTAS to them over the last two decades.
Kazanne
21-03-2018, 10:47 AM
Some of the nicest, most reasonable people I know have drink driving convictions. Now, I'm not saying that's not a problem, a drink driver nearly killed me a couple of years ago. But let's get it into perspective.... he's a famous face, people filmed the incident and gave or sold it to the press, we watched the footage out of context, he was arrested for failing a roadside breath test but as far as I know he hasn't actually been charged with anything. No one was hurt... he's not the Pope, he's an entertainer, flawed like the rest of us. I can see why they've taken him off air for a while, but talk if his career being over is just wishful thinking on the part of all those people who've lost out in the BAFTAS to them over the last two decades.
I was annoyed on the news footage at that woman saying in an excited voice "They just arrested him in front of our eyes,I can't believe it" as though it was some claim to fame.:wavey:
Livia
21-03-2018, 11:09 AM
I was annoyed on the news footage at that woman saying in an excited voice "They just arrested him in front of our eyes,I can't believe it" as though it was some claim to fame.:wavey:
I know, I thought that was quite sickening.
Barry.
21-03-2018, 11:11 AM
How can you do rehab at home?
Morgan.
21-03-2018, 11:12 AM
How can you do rehab at home?
You can't. But there are other types of treatment you can accept which don't require going to rehab.
Jack_
21-03-2018, 12:40 PM
Dec's having meetings with ITV today about the remaining episodes of Takeaway. I presume something will be announced later so that the schedules can be confirmed (it is Wednesday after all)?
Fingers crossed they go ahead :fc:
Jack_
21-03-2018, 12:51 PM
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Bless him :love:
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 12:54 PM
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Bless him :love:
Good, it would have been very unfair for everyone involved in the show and the prize winners etc to cancel everything because of Ant. I'm kind of curious to see how Dec does on his own aswell tbh:laugh:
user104658
21-03-2018, 12:58 PM
I was annoyed on the news footage at that woman saying in an excited voice "They just arrested him in front of our eyes,I can't believe it" as though it was some claim to fame.:wavey:
I know, I thought that was quite sickening.
Well exactly... it is sickening, fame is a double-edged sword. People act like they adore celebrities.. that they are "national treasures"... but when they start falling apart - like ANY human being can, at any time - fame seems to mean being denied the privacy and human decency that most people get. Less privacy to an extent is to be expected when you choose to live in the public eye... but that doesn't mean that people have to treat someone who is struggling like a side-show.
It's getting worse, too, with the rise of reality TV. Reality TV stars deliberately put their lives and relationships "out there" and it's sort of spilled over into people thinking that ALL presenters / actors / musicians etc. personal lives are fair game as light entertainment. People's relationship problems, mental health struggles and addictions plastered all over the place. It really is sick.
user104658
21-03-2018, 01:02 PM
Good, it would have been very unfair for everyone involved in the show and the prize winners etc to cancel everything because of Ant. I'm kind of curious to see how Dec does on his own aswell tbh:laugh:
I sort of feel like they need to let him have a stand-in co host... he's in the bizarre position of having decades of presenting experience but absolutely NONE as a solo host, they surely can't just have him thrown in at the deep end :worry:. I mean I'd imagine it's quite a different thing, a double act bouncing off each other and a solo host communicating directly with the audience most of the time / "talking into the air".
Cherie
21-03-2018, 01:09 PM
I sort of feel like they need to let him have a stand-in co host... he's in the bizarre position of having decades of presenting experience but absolutely NONE as a solo host, they surely can't just have him thrown in at the deep end :worry:. I mean I'd imagine it's quite a different thing, a double act bouncing off each other and a solo host communicating directly with the audience most of the time / "talking into the air".
I reckon Stephen or Scarlett with be with him, as long as its not Emma who they rolled out a few weeks ago I'm happy!
Ninastar
21-03-2018, 01:15 PM
Good, it would have been very unfair for everyone involved in the show and the prize winners etc to cancel everything because of Ant. I'm kind of curious to see how Dec does on his own aswell tbh:laugh:
Honestly, I can see him joking about it...
God one of the things I miss the most about the UK is this show
I sort of feel like they need to let him have a stand-in co host... he's in the bizarre position of having decades of presenting experience but absolutely NONE as a solo host, they surely can't just have him thrown in at the deep end :worry:. I mean I'd imagine it's quite a different thing, a double act bouncing off each other and a solo host communicating directly with the audience most of the time / "talking into the air".
I'm sure Dec will be fine provided he has a stiff drink before going on :smug:
Crimson Dynamo
21-03-2018, 01:17 PM
Steven Mulhearn to open the show by arriving onstage on a mobility scooter filled with vodka bottles and knocking Dec off the stage?
Cherie
21-03-2018, 01:18 PM
Steven Mulhearn to open the show by arriving onstage on a mobility scooter filled with vodka bottles and knocking Dec off the stage?
:joker:
Kazanne
21-03-2018, 01:18 PM
I like Steven,I think he would be good with Dec.
Cherie
21-03-2018, 01:24 PM
Good, it would have been very unfair for everyone involved in the show and the prize winners etc to cancel everything because of Ant. I'm kind of curious to see how Dec does on his own aswell tbh:laugh:
its a rating winner already
user104658
21-03-2018, 01:25 PM
But from what I've seen of Steven Mulhearn, him and Dec are sort of really similar?
"Here are your hosts... Dec and... Dec!"
Barry.
21-03-2018, 01:27 PM
It is great Dec to keep going on with the show. I’m sure he will do good.
Jack_
21-03-2018, 01:27 PM
Judging by this, it sounds as if he really will be presenting alone
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I think it would've worked better with Stephen at his side, but maybe they'll get all the team to help him and keep solo links to a minimum. Going to be interesting either way
arista
21-03-2018, 01:30 PM
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Bless him :love:
Yes makes good sense.
smudgie
21-03-2018, 01:40 PM
I think most addicts know they have a problem, so the hardest thing is getting them to seek the help they need.
I also know tramadols a bitch to come off of and it is similar to heroin in its withdrawal symptoms.
So why would a DR keep prescribing them to him after the public became aware of his problems last year?
Maybe because he is a powerfull tv star who can bend the rules? That is why i have no sympathy for him, but loads for his victims.
Maybe his doctor didn’t want him to come off the Tremadols, maybe Ant wanted to come off them himself.:shrug:
I have done cold turkey twice with the Trams, both times my own choice and both times not pleasant.
But my doctors would still have me take them to control my pain better than my present meds, due to the awful side effects I prefer to take other meds and cope with considerably more pain.
I feel for him, having an alcohol problem as well must double his misery.
Maybe his doctor didn’t want him to come off the Tremadols, maybe Ant wanted to come off them himself.:shrug:
I have done cold turkey twice with the Trams, both times my own choice and both times not pleasant.
But my doctors would still have me take them to control my pain better than my present meds, due to the awful side effects I prefer to take other meds and cope with considerably more pain.
I feel for him, having an alcohol problem as well must double his misery.
But surely giving him them could be seen as malpractice after it was made public that he was addicted to them?
AnnieK
21-03-2018, 01:54 PM
But surely giving him them could be seen as malpractice after it was made public that he was addicted to them?
Not really unless he was no longer in pain, that would be like stopping prescribing addictive anti-depressants because the user was addicted.
As it is an opiate, he would need a slow and controlled withdrawal period to manage the side effects but only if there was an alternative medication to manage his pain.
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 01:54 PM
I sort of feel like they need to let him have a stand-in co host... he's in the bizarre position of having decades of presenting experience but absolutely NONE as a solo host, they surely can't just have him thrown in at the deep end :worry:. I mean I'd imagine it's quite a different thing, a double act bouncing off each other and a solo host communicating directly with the audience most of the time / "talking into the air".
Yeah but he is very very experienced, I think he'd be fine and he may feel a lot more disloyal to have Ant replaced by someone else :laugh:
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 01:55 PM
Honestly, I can see him joking about it...
God one of the things I miss the most about the UK is this show
Best way to handle it tbf, although because another person was involved in the crash maybe he won't :worry:
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 01:56 PM
its a rating winner already
Might be Decs chance to shine on his own and start a new chapter
Lewismacfarlane
21-03-2018, 02:12 PM
I think Stephen will take ants place and Scarlett will do Stephen's job
Marsh.
21-03-2018, 02:14 PM
They'll probably get a bunch of guests in to co host different segments like Emma doing win the ads the other week.
Wizard.
21-03-2018, 02:43 PM
Might be Decs chance to shine on his own and start a new chapter
Dec was always my fav :flutter:
Crimson Dynamo
21-03-2018, 02:55 PM
well i am watching to support Dec
:love:
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 03:03 PM
Dec was always my fav :flutter:
Mine too :love:
well i am watching to support Dec
:love:
It clashes with the Voice :oh: I might watch it on plus one or something though
Cherie
21-03-2018, 03:03 PM
Might be Decs chance to shine on his own and start a new chapter
Actually if I was Dec I would probably be fuming because Ant has sullied their brand, all his issues aside there really is no need to be over the limit behind the wheel, like the rest of us mortals he could have got a taxi to where ever he was going
AnnieK
21-03-2018, 03:09 PM
Ant has been interviewed again today under caution but released again without charge pending further investigation according to the media. Still thinking they are going for driving offences rather than drink driving at this stage unless they have charged him prior to this and not publicised it.
Ashley.
21-03-2018, 03:39 PM
Ant has been interviewed again today under caution but released again without charge pending further investigation according to the media. Still thinking they are going for driving offences rather than drink driving at this stage unless they have charged him prior to this and not publicised it.
Ridiculous.
AnnieK
21-03-2018, 03:42 PM
Ridiculous.
I would imagine the further investigations will be relating to his culpability for the crash because you either are or not over the drink drive limit. Even if his legal team had insisted on blood alcohol levels being taken rather than breath alcohol, the results are quick and conclusive one way or another surely,
I would imagine they are trying to determine dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention.
Ashley.
21-03-2018, 03:52 PM
I would imagine the further investigations will be relating to his culpability for the crash because you either are or not over the drink drive limit. Even if his legal team had insisted on blood alcohol levels being taken rather than breath alcohol, the results are quick and conclusive one way or another surely,
I would imagine they are trying to determine dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention.
I assume that Ant's legal team are fighting hard to make sure that Ant gets as minor a charge as possible.
Jack_
21-03-2018, 03:53 PM
Yeah I think it's important to remember he's not actually been charged with anything yet, is it really beyond the realms of possibility he was over from the night before but then passed the test at the station? Because wouldn't he have been charged immediately if he'd failed again? And a full investigation is necessary to determine who and what caused the collision
If he's guilty then I'm sure everyone agrees he should face the consequences in the same way anyone else would, but it is an ongoing legal matter not a conclusive one
Crimson Dynamo
21-03-2018, 04:52 PM
He will get money justice...
user104658
21-03-2018, 05:02 PM
If it's his first driving offense it's hardly going to be a severe punishment anyway :shrug:. No one (thankfully) was seriously injured. He may well lose his licence etc. but it's not like he's going to prison for it.
Cherie
21-03-2018, 05:09 PM
Mine too :love:
It clashes with the Voice :oh: I might watch it on plus one or something though
The Voice UK? Impossible as they are on the same channel
Denver
21-03-2018, 05:42 PM
Yeah I think it's important to remember he's not actually been charged with anything yet, is it really beyond the realms of possibility he was over from the night before but then passed the test at the station? Because wouldn't he have been charged immediately if he'd failed again? And a full investigation is necessary to determine who and what caused the collision
If he's guilty then I'm sure everyone agrees he should face the consequences in the same way anyone else would, but it is an ongoing legal matter not a conclusive one
He was a drunken state when he left the car no way was that from the night before
Crimson Dynamo
21-03-2018, 05:43 PM
I'm guessing twice the limit plus of course pills
I'm guessing twice the limit plus of course pills
i would guess he was over the limit by the hair of a dog
Epic.
21-03-2018, 05:53 PM
Any updates on the poor little girl's health?
jaxie
21-03-2018, 05:54 PM
Actually if I was Dec I would probably be fuming because Ant has sullied their brand, all his issues aside there really is no need to be over the limit behind the wheel, like the rest of us mortals he could have got a taxi to where ever he was going
Well tbf a person with a drink problem isn't in their full faculties and don't know what they are doing in the way a sober person does. That doesn't mean I support drink driving in any way but I wonder what the people around him are doing. His mum was with him, why did she let him drive and get in the car with him? :shrug:
I've mentioned before my mum was an alcoholic and we used to hide the car key from her because she'd happily use them otherwise. She could barely walk sometimes but she thought she was fine and more than capable of driving.
And the people around him must know he is still drinking. While the alcoholic think they are devious at hiding it, their condition is pretty obvious to those around them as well as their hiding places.
I do feel very sorry for Dec.
Denver
21-03-2018, 05:57 PM
Any updates on the poor little girl's health?
The media don't care about her tbh
arista
21-03-2018, 05:59 PM
he has been charged now
Yes appears in court April the 4th/
https://news.sky.com/story/tv-presenter-ant-mcpartlin-charged-with-drink-driving-11299195
Yes appears in court April the 4th/
https://news.sky.com/story/tv-presenter-ant-mcpartlin-charged-with-drink-driving-11299195
Looks to me like he has already had preferential treatment.
Cherie
21-03-2018, 06:13 PM
Well tbf a person with a drink problem isn't in their full faculties and don't know what they are doing in the way a sober person does. That doesn't mean I support drink driving in any way but I wonder what the people around him are doing. His mum was with him, why did she let him drive and get in the car with him? :shrug:
I've mentioned before my mum was an alcoholic and we used to hide the car key from her because she'd happily use them otherwise. She could barely walk sometimes but she thought she was fine and more than capable of driving.
And the people around him must know he is still drinking. While the alcoholic think they are devious at hiding it, their condition is pretty obvious to those around them as well as their hiding places.
I do feel very sorry for Dec.
I think he has been enabled by those around him sadly
Niamh.
21-03-2018, 06:15 PM
The Voice UK? Impossible as they are on the same channelOh I forgot the Voice wasn't on BBC anymore [emoji23]
Jack_
21-03-2018, 06:15 PM
Completely reckless, I feel even more sorry for Dec now
I wonder what this means for all the taped items that include him on Takeaway now
He was a drunken state when he left the car no way was that from the night before
We may know that now, but it's worth pointing out that anyone who had just crashed at (allegedly) 50mph into someone and had an airbag go off in their face is likely to look pretty shaken and dazed when they emerge from the wreckage
Any updates on the poor little girl's health?
She's fine, she was only taken to hospital by her parents as a precaution
Crimson Dynamo
21-03-2018, 06:32 PM
When he got out the car he was wasted not shaken
How can you do rehab at home?I usually have a cup of tea. That sorts my head right out.
Ashley.
21-03-2018, 06:36 PM
When he got out the car he was wasted not shaken
Quite right. Yes, he wasn't in the "right mind" but neither is anybody who drink drives, and I don't see much sympathy for them.
Ashley.
21-03-2018, 06:37 PM
I usually have a cup of tea. That sorts my head right out.
:joker:
Marsh.
22-03-2018, 12:39 AM
Is it just me or did Dec always seem like the most popular of the two either way?
:hehe: If either was gonna make a go of it alone, it was always him.
Jack_
23-03-2018, 03:41 PM
also suzuki sponsor the show and they do loads of ads for them :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
That'll be pulled first
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Matthew.
23-03-2018, 03:49 PM
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Jack_
23-03-2018, 03:52 PM
Yeah I was just reading that too, what a weird era this is going to be
Meanwhile all of the scenes of Ant driving (as he usually does cause he's on the left) for any BGT episode openings are on the cutting room floor
Cherie
23-03-2018, 03:52 PM
Is this the end of Ant and Dec?
Great that Dec is going forward on is own
Marsh.
23-03-2018, 06:10 PM
Is this the end of Ant and Dec?
Great that Dec is going forward on is ownNo don't think so.
It'll be a challenging blip that they will be able to move on from.
Unless Ant just goes completely off the rails now.
Sad what Ant is going through but it doesn’t need to be glorified by some people (not on here).
Dec was always the better of the two and I wish him the best of luck going forward. I don’t think he’ll be a solo presenter permanently but certainly 2018.
Ramsay
23-03-2018, 06:42 PM
Poor Dec, it will be so weird for him.
Marsh.
23-03-2018, 06:43 PM
Tbh I think that. Dec was always the more popular out of the two. Just a feeling I get.
If Dec was the one in trouble I don't know how confident I'd feel for Ant but actually think Dec will be fine for the time being.
user104658
23-03-2018, 08:05 PM
Tbh I think that. Dec was always the more popular out of the two. Just a feeling I get.
If Dec was the one in trouble I don't know how confident I'd feel for Ant but actually think Dec will be fine for the time being.I dunno, the cheeky double act was always their gimmick. I can see Dec doing FINE on his own, i.e. getting steady work presenting, and they're already rich enough that money is hardly going to be a problem... But, I can't see him booking as many really high-profile shows on his own as they have as a duo.
Whether or not Ant and Dec ever "come back", it entirely depends on how Ant's recovery goes. If he makes a genuine full recovery, then we'll definitely see them back. If his struggles continue to be intermittent and ongoing then most likely not.
Marsh.
23-03-2018, 08:11 PM
I dunno, the cheeky double act was always their gimmick. I can see Dec doing FINE on his own, i.e. getting steady work presenting, and they're already rich enough that money is hardly going to be a problem... But, I can't see him booking as many really high-profile shows on his own as they have as a duo.
Whether or not Ant and Dec ever "come back", it entirely depends on how Ant's recovery goes. If he makes a genuine full recovery, then we'll definitely see them back. If his struggles continue to be intermittent and ongoing then most likely not.Oh definitely. Together they are the brand not individually.
I just think in terms of one being left alone to keep everything together for a little while, Dec is always the safer option imo. Had it been the other way around I don't think Ant would've worked. :think:
Crimson Dynamo
23-03-2018, 08:13 PM
you cant make a recovery with unlimited funds and so much spare time
its a no, from me
Jack_
23-03-2018, 08:15 PM
The thing is, if some of the rumours about the full extent of Ant's addictions are to be believed then this whole saga may only just be beginning :think:
On the one hand I would hope they don't come out, but if they are actually true it begs the question - does he really just need to be honest with himself and everyone else in order to fully move on? It's a protecting the brand/enabling your recovery dilemma.
I already have visions of his first return to television being a tell-all interview on Piers Morgan's Life Stories tbh. There has to be some sort of statement of apology this time either way (maybe it will come after sentencing), it will look a bit ridiculous if he just turns up in Australia and they're all jovial about it again :shrug:
Watching paddy mcguiness on sport relief i cant help thinking ants problems began when dec became the butt of being small jokes when he himself, minus the forehead. Isn't that tall.
Jack_
24-03-2018, 11:57 PM
Dec and Ali are expecting
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/baby-joy-dec-donnelly-its-12248108
:love:
Gstar
25-03-2018, 12:06 AM
This will be forgotten in a year. Gonna be weird having Dec host BGT on his own though
Marsh.
25-03-2018, 12:55 AM
Dec and Ali are expecting
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/baby-joy-dec-donnelly-its-12248108
:love:
Yikes, what kind of timing.
Marsh.
25-03-2018, 12:57 AM
You never know this might have contributed in some small way. If Ant and Lisa's attempts at conceiving have been part of their problems. :(
Jack_
25-03-2018, 01:02 AM
Must've been awkward really :sad:
Jack_
25-03-2018, 07:28 PM
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GoldHeart
26-03-2018, 11:49 AM
Ant is doing too many jobs , he should of stayed in rehab from last year,he's clearly not fully recovered yet .
Crimson Dynamo
26-03-2018, 12:03 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/26/10/4A90079700000578-5544155-Ray_McPartlin_63_a_heating_engineer_who_earns_10_a n_hour_picture-a-30_1522057680625.jpg
Ant in rehab
Mitchell
26-03-2018, 03:35 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/26/10/4A90079700000578-5544155-Ray_McPartlin_63_a_heating_engineer_who_earns_10_a n_hour_picture-a-30_1522057680625.jpg
Ant in rehab
I love Arista
Brillopad
07-04-2018, 10:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5587937/Ant-McPartlin-twice-legal-limit.html
Ant was more than twice the legal limit when he caused that crash. There are no excuses.
Matthew.
07-04-2018, 10:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5587937/Ant-McPartlin-twice-legal-limit.html
Ant was more than twice the legal limit when he caused that crash. There are no excuses.
saw this earlier, am very disappointed :(
Crimson Dynamo
07-04-2018, 10:37 PM
He looked it
saw this earlier, am very disappointed :(
Scum.
Jack_
16-04-2018, 03:03 PM
£86,000 fine and a 20 month driving ban (reduced to 15 if he completes a referral course by May 2019)
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And the statement he gave when interviewed:
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Crimson Dynamo
16-04-2018, 03:08 PM
So why did his mum let him drive is what I want to know??
He is only sorry because he got caught. If he had not been caught he would still be doing it. No sympathy from me.
Jack_
16-04-2018, 03:16 PM
McPartlin's barrister said his client had been seeking help for "alcohol and emotional issues" at the time of the crash.
He told the judge the incident was down to "a brief relapse" unbeknownst to McPartlin's mother.
"Anthony McPartlin is sorry and is doing everything he can to ensure this never happens again," Mr Walker said.
"He hopes that in time he can make himself better and that he might be forgiven by all of the many people he knows and he feels he has let down terribly."
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Crimson Dynamo
16-04-2018, 03:23 PM
yeah he was twice over so pretending you did not know is as bad as driving the car
dozy old bag
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 03:25 PM
Its hard to feel sorry for him as he could have seriously hurt or killed someone. On the other hand he is obviously suffering from some issues himself. I know I will be jumped all over for saying that and I do not condone his behaviour but he has pleaded guilty, taken the punishment, apologised publicly and only time will tell if his career can survive so there is not much more he can do now although people will still want blood I'm sure.
Cherie
16-04-2018, 03:27 PM
Is anyone buying that his Mum was sat next to him in an enclosed space and didn't know he had been drinking?
Is anyone buying that his Mum was sat next to him in an enclosed space and didn't know he had been drinking?
not for a second. Looking at the photo of him at the scene, he was quite clearly drunk as a skunk
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 03:35 PM
Scum.
me?
Denver
16-04-2018, 03:36 PM
If he wasn't famous he would be in prison
user104658
16-04-2018, 03:39 PM
If he wasn't famous he would be in prison
Not necessarily if it's a first offence.
LukeB
16-04-2018, 03:45 PM
Not necessarily if it's a first offence.
You're right. Civilians do get a fine and banned from driving etc on their first offence so Ant isn't getting no special treatment there
however, i do believe because he is a loved celebrity he gets sympathy but if he wasn't people wouldn't be happy with this story.
user104658
16-04-2018, 04:05 PM
You're right. Civilians do get a fine and banned from driving etc on their first offence so Ant isn't getting no special treatment there
however, i do believe because he is a loved celebrity he gets sympathy but if he wasn't people wouldn't be happy with this story.
I dunno, it's a tough one. He did something really stupid (but hardly monstrous) and could have seriously hurt someone. On the other hand... it's not like he's been partying / living it up for the last couple of years care-free or anything like that. He's quite clearly a very unhappy individual, probably clinically depressed. I personally do feel sympathy for anyone going through that; it's certainly not a picnic.
Crimson Dynamo
16-04-2018, 04:12 PM
the £86k fine was because it was 2/3 of his weekly wages of 130K
:skull:
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 04:13 PM
I dunno, it's a tough one. He did something really stupid (but hardly monstrous) and could have seriously hurt someone. On the other hand... it's not like he's been partying / living it up for the last couple of years care-free or anything like that. He's quite clearly a very unhappy individual, probably clinically depressed. I personally do feel sympathy for anyone going through that; it's certainly not a picnic.
Completely agree TS.
I feel people think because he's rich and famous he is infallible. His wealth and fame will have compounded his problems. I just hope this rehab will help him lay his demons to rest
Jack_
16-04-2018, 04:30 PM
This is the best bit :joker:
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arista
16-04-2018, 05:09 PM
Yes he got lucky
The 86K fine and temp ban on Driving
https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpartlin-truly-sorry-over-drink-driving-crash-11333927
https://e3.365dm.com/18/04/1096x616/skynews-ant-mcpartlin-arrives-court_4284508.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180416141806
chuff me dizzy
16-04-2018, 05:10 PM
Is anyone buying that his Mum was sat next to him in an enclosed space and didn't know he had been drinking?
Not for a second !
user104658
16-04-2018, 06:03 PM
Yes he got lucky
The 86K fine and temp ban on Driving
https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpartlin-truly-sorry-over-drink-driving-crash-11333927
https://e3.365dm.com/18/04/1096x616/skynews-ant-mcpartlin-arrives-court_4284508.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180416141806
https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2018/04/16/thant.png
kirklancaster
16-04-2018, 06:23 PM
It is time to LET GO in my opinion.
He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.
Ashley.
16-04-2018, 06:31 PM
It is time to LET GO in my opinion.
He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.
Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.
Denver
16-04-2018, 06:46 PM
Hope he never works again
Kazanne
16-04-2018, 06:46 PM
Yes he got lucky
The 86K fine and temp ban on Driving
https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpartlin-truly-sorry-over-drink-driving-crash-11333927
https://e3.365dm.com/18/04/1096x616/skynews-ant-mcpartlin-arrives-court_4284508.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180416141806
He looks really ill tbh,I don't know what else he can do,he has apologised and it maybe the shock he needed,I am not condoning his stupid actions,but we have all been reckless and stupid at times,I just hope he takes a back seat and gets himself well as he looks like he needs help.
Kazanne
16-04-2018, 06:51 PM
Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.
It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,
Denver
16-04-2018, 06:54 PM
It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,
It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?
Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?
Ashley.
16-04-2018, 07:02 PM
It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,
I never said it should ruin the rest of his life. He's paid for his crime, had a lucky escape and he's accepted he was wrong, that's good enough for me. I don't want him to suffer for all of eternity, I'm just laying out the facts.
Kazanne
16-04-2018, 07:05 PM
It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?
Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?
Who said he is a person I like,I have no feeling about him one way or another he is a person as you and I are, I have known several people who HAVE actually killed someone and got lenient sentences,that's the British judicial system for you,i don't see your point:shrug: Did you want him to go to prison? he has lost his wife,his reputation along with his sentence today what else could they have done?
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:09 PM
It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?
Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?
How he been let off leniently? The sentence he got is the same as any first time offender caught at double the drink drive limit.
kirklancaster
16-04-2018, 07:11 PM
Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.
What part of my post prompts you to respond with the above Ashley? Here it is below:
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post:
It is time to LET GO in my opinion.
He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.
arista
16-04-2018, 07:11 PM
He looks really ill tbh,I don't know what else he can do,he has apologised and it maybe the shock he needed,I am not condoning his stupid actions,but we have all been reckless and stupid at times,I just hope he takes a back seat and gets himself well as he looks like he needs help.
Very True Kaz
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:13 PM
How he been let off leniently? The sentence he got is the same as any first time offender caught at double the drink drive limit.
Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:15 PM
It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?
Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?
He didn't kill or even (really) hurt anyone (scrapes and bruises) so that shouldn't ruin ANYONE'S life :shrug:. Pnishments aren't doled out based on what "could have" happened... if they were, half of the population would be in prison :umm2:.
Also, similarly to how he shouldn't be let off easily because of his status, you also can't make his punishment more severe because of his status... he got the same punishment as what anyone else would have gotten - the major part of it being losing his license. Now... for him, that's probably not a huge deal as he can likely afford a driver... for the average person, losing your license for 18 months could be life-ruining. But that's not really the point. You can't just say "Well, because it matters less to him, the punishment should be altered to be worse".
I think in general in these cases, some sort of community service would probably be a good idea, but again, I'd say that if it was just a celeb being reckless and driving home from a party drunk. In this case, to be honest he's quite blatantly a complete wreck and it wouldn't be appropriate.
I for one hope he sorts himself out. TBH continuing to live like that is a far worse than a prison sentence.
Ashley.
16-04-2018, 07:17 PM
What part of my post prompts you to respond with the above Ashley? Here it is below:
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post:
It is time to LET GO in my opinion.
He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.
Thanks for putting it in bold, Kirk. You must think I'm extra stupid.
I was responding to the general attitude of "he's apologised, so let's forget about it." And I disagree... I think that although he's apologised, we shouldn't forget about it. I don't quite understand why nothing other than a difference of opinion required such a patronising response.
Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again
that's a comment coming from your personal dislike of him and that's not how the law works
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:18 PM
Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again
I don't think there's any evidence of that yet, though? If he doesn't genuinely commit to getting help and doesn't seem to be remorseful down the line, then sure, he would deserve some "judgement" but at this point there's no evidence at all that he's being treated like it didn't happen, or that he's treating it like it didn't happen, or really that he's doing anything at all other than apologising and seeking help.
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:19 PM
Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again
So you think he should be eternally punished? That is not what would happen to you or I if we he drink drove, so why should it happen to him?
I guess the question you asked Kaz could be flipped for you......he should be treated more harshly than a normal citizen because you think he is overrated??
Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 07:22 PM
he looks unwell there, as if he’s lost :bawling:
i feel sorry for him - NOT excusing drink driving - however I do feel desperately sorry for him here and i hope he gets all the treatments that he needs to get back on track and back to normal at the pace that he needs.
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:22 PM
So you think he should be eternally punished? That is not what would happen to you or I if we he drink drove, so why should it happen to him?
I guess the question you asked Kaz could be flipped for you......he should be treated more harshly than a normal citizen because you think he is overrated??
Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?
He lied though which makes it even worse
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:22 PM
Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?
Indeed; or what about Robert Downey Junior? He was arrested speeding down a highway with a car (and presumably, himself) full of drugs. Plus he had a gun in the car :umm2:. But if he hadn't been "forgiven" and turned his life around, we wouldn't have Iron Man. Maybe no Avengers at all :worry:.
kirklancaster
16-04-2018, 07:24 PM
Thanks for putting it in bold, Kirk. You must think I'm extra stupid.
I was responding to the general attitude of "he's apologised, so let's forget about it." And I disagree... I think that although he's apologised, we shouldn't forget about it. I don't quite understand why nothing other than a difference of opinion required such a patronising response.
I don't think that you are stupid at all, but I do think you are being unnecessarily aggressive and also misperceiving MY response because I am not patronising you at all.
I did not say 'Let's forget about it' I said 'It is time to LET GO - in my opinion' which means - as the rest of my post explained - that he has been caught and punished, has expressed remorse and an intent to get help for his problems, so it is time to Let it Go.
As for 'difference of opinion' - there is not even one if you read what I actually wrote and compare it with what you have had to say.
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:24 PM
He lied though which makes it even worse
When did he lie? Serious question as I've not followed the case that closely
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:25 PM
When did he lie? Serious question as I've not followed the case that closely
Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinking
When did he lie? Serious question as I've not followed the case that closely
He said Santa was real.
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:26 PM
Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinking
He lied to... protect his mum. A criminal mastermind.
LukeB
16-04-2018, 07:26 PM
He said Santa was real.
:joker:
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 07:27 PM
umm i don’t want my thread to be closed so stop it thanks x
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:27 PM
He lied to... protect his mum. A criminal mastermind.
I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:28 PM
I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable
How does lying about his mum knowing whether or not he had been drinking, make him be seen as vulnerable?
user104658
16-04-2018, 07:28 PM
umm i don’t want my thread to be closed so stop it thanks x
This is totally normal on-topic debate :nono:
Plus all of the mods have quit innit...
I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable
i think you have a problem with the person rather than the offense that he committed. He never lied about the offense. He took full responsibility for it and pleaded guilty.
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 07:30 PM
This is totally normal on-topic debate :nono:
Plus all of the mods have quit innit...
maybe so but i still dont want it to be closed thank you very much x
Marsh.
16-04-2018, 07:30 PM
Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated againTranslation: you don't like him anyway so spitefully want his career ruined.
If you mean, a year from now/five years from now most people will have forgotten then that's normal and what should happen. Once the crime has been punished, he's apologised then what a complete waste of time and energy it would be to hold it over him the rest of his life.
Unless of course he doesn't learn and something happens again. But, underneath it he seems a decent person and hasn't done something like this before. So this may have been the wake up call he needed to get himself better.
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:30 PM
Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinking
But maybe she didnt? Who knows? Alcoholics are masters of deceit. And the fact that he is not trying to deflect his guilt shows me he is shouldering the full responsibility of HIS drink driving and pleased guilty. Easy to shove the blame elsewhere but he hasn't.
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:31 PM
How does lying about his mum knowing whether or not he had been drinking, make him be seen as vulnerable?
He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demons
kirklancaster
16-04-2018, 07:34 PM
Translation: you don't like him anyway so spitefully want his career ruined.
If you mean, a year from now/five years from now most people will have forgotten then that's normal and what should happen. Once the crime has been punished, he's apologised then what a complete waste of time and energy it would be to hold it over him the rest of his life.
Unless of course he doesn't learn and something happens again. But, underneath it he seems a decent person and hasn't done something like this before. So this may have been the wake up call he needed to get himself better.
:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said Marsh - and I agree that if he repeat offends THEN 'Throw The Book' at him.
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:36 PM
He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demons
Again serious question and not meant to be patronising, do you know many addicts Adam? They will tell you they need help and want it and quite often they do but the addiction often had a stronger hold. They will lie, deflect and cheat to get a fix, very few addicts ever fully recover forever and rarely on their first treatment cycle. Addiction often goes hand in hand with mental illness too.
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 07:37 PM
why should we immediately write him off? seems very harsh tbh considering that if you knew Ant as a person, it would be a different story
Marsh.
16-04-2018, 07:40 PM
Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinkingBecause clearly that's the most vital piece of information about the whole crime. What an absolute piece of scum he is.
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:40 PM
Again serious question and not meant to be patronising, do you know many addicts Adam? They will tell you they need help and want it and quite often they do but the addiction often had a stronger hold. They will lie, deflect and cheat to get a fix, very few addicts ever fully recover forever and rarely on their first treatment cycle. Addiction often goes hand in hand with mental illness too.
I actually have a former drug addict in my family actually.
You ever heard the saying you can't be helped until you help yourself
Marsh.
16-04-2018, 07:41 PM
He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demonsEh? He went into rehab last summer. :unsure:
Denver
16-04-2018, 07:43 PM
Eh? He went into rehab last summer. :unsure:
And left without finishing it which was the !main reason his wife left him
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 07:47 PM
I actually have a former drug addict in my family actually.
You ever heard the saying you can't be helped until you help yourself
Absolutely, and therein lies the problem. As an addict they want the help but they also want the fix. I t depends what pull is stronger.
I won't pry about your family member but I am pleased you said former drug addict which indicates they got well and are one of the lucky ones. I have a very close family member with an addiction which has torn the family apart. I've also lost friends to drug addictions so have seen the devastation close up that addiction can bring so can emphasis that having family member struggling with addiction is tough
Marsh.
16-04-2018, 07:51 PM
And left without finishing it which was the !main reason his wife left himWell... he's an addict so it's not going to be an easy ride and him fixing his problems overnight.
Nobody knows the "main reason" that led to his separation anymore than we know all of the reasons behind his descent into addiction. We don't know them.
Crimson Dynamo
16-04-2018, 07:56 PM
But maybe she didnt? Who knows? Alcoholics are masters of deceit. And the fact that he is not trying to deflect his guilt shows me he is shouldering the full responsibility of HIS drink driving and pleased guilty. Easy to shove the blame elsewhere but he hasn't.
what?
do you know what you have to drink to be 2x over?
have you been in a car with someone who is?
I would guess its a no
to both
AnnieK
16-04-2018, 08:06 PM
what?
do you know what you have to drink to be 2x over?
have you been in a car with someone who is?
I would guess its a no
to both
You have absolutely no idea about anything about me or my life experience so please don't feel you can patronize me by bolding your point, it really doesn't wash with me LT.
But the answer to your question is yes I do. I had no idea he had been drinking and we were stopped and guess what........a 20 month ban and fine was handed out by the court (and a divorce by the way).
jaxie
16-04-2018, 08:13 PM
I hope he can get his act together. He has more than a lot of people do to lose if he stays in self destruct.
Tozzie
16-04-2018, 08:42 PM
I hope he can get his act together. He has more than a lot of people do to lose if he stays in self destruct.
me too, I wish him well, he did the crime, he pled guilty, he got a fine just as most first time drink drivers do so I really hope he can get well and move on with his life . I think he has probably learned his lesson.
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 08:45 PM
i hope that now the matter is behind us that people can get off of his back. afterl all, he does need space to recover.
Tomorrows chip wrapper..hopefully just like him.
Matthew.
16-04-2018, 09:23 PM
Tomorrows chip wrapper..hopefully just like him.
i don’t think that this is the way of going about it. we should allow him as much time as he needs to recover without completely writing him off.
Cherie
16-04-2018, 09:26 PM
:joker:this thread woulld have won a razzie back in the day
Crimson Dynamo
17-06-2018, 02:04 PM
So as per he was banging his PA the dirty cheat
:idc:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5852475/Ant-McPartlin-finds-love-personal-assistant-Anne-Marie-Corbett-42.html
Nicky91
17-06-2018, 02:05 PM
So as per he was banging his PA the dirty cheat
:idc:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5852475/Ant-McPartlin-finds-love-personal-assistant-Anne-Marie-Corbett-42.html
:omgno:
Barry.
17-06-2018, 03:29 PM
Ant really needs help.
RileyH
17-06-2018, 03:37 PM
Ffs
user104658
17-06-2018, 04:34 PM
Alternative narrative; His ex who is friends with Nicola McClean of all people drove the poor bugger to drink and now she's begruding him finding happiness with someone else, even though they've been separated for ages. :think:
"Girl Code!" crap is for 12 year olds. "U can't be wif my ex coz u r menna b my bfffff!!!"
They're in their 40's ffs.
hijaxers
17-06-2018, 04:35 PM
Watch out for bad karma the pair of you.
Marsh.
17-06-2018, 05:38 PM
So as per he was banging his PA the dirty cheat
:idc:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5852475/Ant-McPartlin-finds-love-personal-assistant-Anne-Marie-Corbett-42.html
I really detest the way articles like this are written. As though they know the ins and outs of anyone's marriage. Relationships, especially ones going through sh*t like they have are ****ing complex so writing sh*t like his new girl has "brought him back from the brink" insinuating she's saved him when it's his wife who has been by his side all these years is so ****ing disrespectful it boils my blood.
Mokka
18-06-2018, 01:56 AM
I really detest the way articles like this are written. As though they know the ins and outs of anyone's marriage. Relationships, especially ones going through sh*t like they have are ****ing complex so writing sh*t like his new girl has "brought him back from the brink" insinuating she's saved him when it's his wife who has been by his side all these years is so ****ing disrespectful it boils my blood.
I read this article yesterday when it popped up in my feeds and I thought similar to you... but more along the lines that there is no actual relationship there. There are no pics of them as a couple, there is only some "close friend" they made up saying there is a relationship. Absolute bunk with no merit. They truely don't know the one and outs of the relationship.... They haven't even shown she is anything more than his P.A.
Livia
18-06-2018, 09:21 AM
Taking to Twitter to discuss this is as childish as pretending there's a girl code. They're divorcing, is this news to his ex? Or is it that she's more heartbroken now he's found someone else? They gave it a shot, they're obviously not right for each other and the woman scorned is trying to blacken his name using this childish display of supposed female solidarity.
Crimson Dynamo
18-06-2018, 09:24 AM
I really detest the way articles like this are written. As though they know the ins and outs of anyone's marriage. Relationships, especially ones going through sh*t like they have are ****ing complex so writing sh*t like his new girl has "brought him back from the brink" insinuating she's saved him when it's his wife who has been by his side all these years is so ****ing disrespectful it boils my blood.
I presume its a pr inspired story from his camp?
user104658
18-06-2018, 09:36 AM
Taking to Twitter to discuss this is as childish as pretending there's a girl code. They're divorcing, is this news to his ex? Or is it that she's more heartbroken now he's found someone else? They gave it a shot, they're obviously not right for each other and the woman scorned is trying to blacken his name using this childish display of supposed female solidarity.
I just find the whole idea insane... I mean, I'm not saying they are, and apparently they might not even be together, BUT what if they are and what if they're great together? What reason would anyone have to stop that. I would understand if she was saying they were secretly having an affair before they separated, but she seems to just be annoyed even though it was after, in some weird school yard "You're not allowed to go out with your friend's ex boyfriend!!" thing.
"Oh yes well I found the love of my life, it was perfect but sadly he was my friend's ex-partner so I'll just be single forever"
Niamh.
18-06-2018, 09:38 AM
Taking to Twitter to discuss this is as childish as pretending there's a girl code. They're divorcing, is this news to his ex? Or is it that she's more heartbroken now he's found someone else? They gave it a shot, they're obviously not right for each other and the woman scorned is trying to blacken his name using this childish display of supposed female solidarity.
All she did was post an emoji :laugh: How is she trying to blacken his name or have I missed something? They were together almost 20 years tbf
user104658
18-06-2018, 09:47 AM
All she did was post an emoji :laugh: How is she trying to blacken his name or have I missed something? They were together almost 20 years tbf
I'm sure I saw screenshots of her posting really passive-aggressive stuff and I'm sure it was on a link on this thread but now I can't find it :think:. Have I just imagined it? :umm2:...
Niamh.
18-06-2018, 09:53 AM
I'm sure I saw screenshots of her posting really passive-aggressive stuff and I'm sure it was on a link on this thread but now I can't find it :think:. Have I just imagined it? :umm2:...
I don't know I just read that article in the latest link
Jack_
18-06-2018, 09:56 AM
They still exist
www.twitter.com/lisaAmakeup
don't even see how its in any way relevant. The focus surely is not on his love life or the people that support him. The focus should be on has he learned his lesson and is he not going to make the same mistake again.
Denver
18-06-2018, 09:59 AM
Hopefully she takes him to the cleaners the dirty scumbag
Niamh.
18-06-2018, 09:59 AM
They still exist
www.twitter.com/lisaAmakeup
Is she implying that this was going on before they split?
"Im so sorry for you @lisaAmakeup he was seemingly hiding someone all along 😢 you deserve so much more than that xxx"
Crimson Dynamo
18-06-2018, 10:01 AM
don't even see how its in any way relevant. The focus surely is not on his love life or the people that support him. The focus should be on has he learned his lesson and is he not going to make the same mistake again.
well rule one for AA recovery is dont get involved in a messy relationship and he will have been told that time and time again
Denver
18-06-2018, 10:03 AM
He clearly has no intentions on giving up alcohol
Crimson Dynamo
18-06-2018, 10:39 AM
Ant McPartlin's new girlfriend Anne-Marie Corbett emerges days after their relationship is confirmed
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/18/09/4D5D87EB00000578-5855699-image-m-28_1529310510075.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/18/09/4D5D87E600000578-5855699-image-m-42_1529311541655.jpg
So the rehab stuff was a PR fake as there is NO way they would have sanctioned this relationship until he was at least a year sober.
:bored:
Crimson Dynamo
18-06-2018, 10:39 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5855699/Ant-McPartlins-new-girlfriend-Anne-Marie-Corbett-emerges.html
Niamh.
18-06-2018, 10:46 AM
Ant McPartlin's new girlfriend Anne-Marie Corbett emerges days after their relationship is confirmed
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/18/09/4D5D87EB00000578-5855699-image-m-28_1529310510075.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/18/09/4D5D87E600000578-5855699-image-m-42_1529311541655.jpg
So the rehab stuff was a PR fake as there is NO way they would have sanctioned this relationship until he was at least a year sober.
:bored:
Yeah and tbf I could see how his ex wife would be annoyed by the suggestion too that this new g/f is going to save him aswell. Living with an alcoholic would be a complete nightmare and I can only imagine what she went through with him/trying to help him out of it. The reality is no one can help an alcoholic but themselves
Crimson Dynamo
18-06-2018, 10:47 AM
Yeah and tbf I could see how his ex wife would be annoyed by the suggestion too that this new g/f is going to save him aswell. Living with an alcoholic would be a complete nightmare and I can only imagine what she went through with him/trying to help him out of it. The reality is no one can help an alcoholic but themselves
and at the same time giving the PA the "my wife does not understand me" routine
Niamh.
18-06-2018, 10:49 AM
and at the same time giving the PA the "my wife does not understand me" routine
I'd bet money that those words came out of his mouth :laugh:
Yeah and tbf I could see how his ex wife would be annoyed by the suggestion too that this new g/f is going to save him aswell. Living with an alcoholic would be a complete nightmare and I can only imagine what she went through with him/trying to help him out of it. The reality is no one can help an alcoholic but themselves
She divorced him 6 months ago according to the article, so what the hell has her opinion got to do with anything. Also, if there was genuine care for the man rather than concern over payment for a story, I don't think she would have commented.
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