Girl dies in stolen car.

[Kazanne]

What a terrible story this is,that poor child,but ,something does not seem right here ,surely the person or people who stole this car would have known she was in it, and also ended up in the river aswell :conf:
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/girl-2-dies-after-being-rescued-from-car-in-cardigans-river-t/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Cdl-headline%26pLid%3D509904150_uk

[Cherie]

What a terrible story this is,that poor child,but ,something does not seem right here ,surely the person or people who stole this car would have known she was in it, and also ended up in the river aswell :conf:
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/girl-2-dies-after-being-rescued-from-car-in-cardigans-river-t/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Cdl-headline%26pLid%3D509904150_uk

Awful, you would think someone would have seen the car go into the river and like you say the person who stole it would have gone in as well, would be a fairly sick individual to push a car into the river with a child inside, its a murder investigation now?

[jaxie]

It is a dreadful story that poor baby. It's also very odd. How did the car end up in the water and what kind of monster would leave her in it?

[Wizard.]

What might be worse is that it's now been discovered that the car wasn't stolen - the mother 'accidentally' left the hand brake off and the car rolled in.

[Cherie]

What might be worse is that it's now been discovered that the car wasn't stolen - the mother 'accidentally' left the hand brake off and the car rolled in.


did she immediately go on social media to say the car had been stolen, rather than calling for help :umm2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Something just doesn't sit right with this, can't put my finger on what it is,but something doesn't feel good

[Crimson Dynamo]

i take it she came out and the car had gone and she just thought it had been stolen as she did not think it would have rolled into the river

tragic

[Marsh.]

Why did she leave the baby in the car?

[Cherie]

i take it she came out and the car had gone and she just thought it had been stolen as she did not think it would have rolled into the river

tragic

maybe that's it

[Nicky91]

Why did she leave the baby in the car?

exactly, very irresponsible behaviour are my thoughts about this

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why did she leave the baby in the car?

because getting a baby unclipped and out is a business and she just was nipping in for something.

but then this is precisely whey you never do that...

[Beso]

Similar thing happened with my nephew in edinburgh...father pops in to get the pub takings..comes out and car gone with wee nephew inside...thief left car and phoned police after discovering him..

[Kazanne]

I've been out all morning,what is the update on this? I just heard there was a blue building that was their business and the car was left there, not at the home,so I wonder why if this is an accident,why was the child left in the car ?:shrug:

[Marsh.]

because getting a baby unclipped and out is a business and she just was nipping in for something.

but then this is precisely whey you never do that...
"Nipping in" the lazy persons excuse.

She "nipped" for long enough that this car rolled out of sight so she could assume it was stolen.

[chuff me dizzy]

Just been reading about it on Facebook and it seems iffy ,apparently BOTH parents got out of the car and left the little girl alone ( why did both parents leave her?) and by looks of it the Dad was on Facebook posting smilies straight afterwards ? Very odd ,this is just one of the many comments left on the article


What a strange dad to be immediately on social media using words like 'mega' and using smiley emojis. It feels like he's having his 5 minutes of fame.
It seems to be a tragic accident that they may bear the guilt for...leaving her unattended and the car being faulty perhaps...but what a bizarre way to react to your child's death.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-news-father-posts-tribute-to-daughter-who-died-after-car-was-found-in-river-20180320?c=1521555096396


No I read it wrong, there was only the mother who left her to go into the Dads works to get some money ,but does anyone else find it strange that the police are not looking for suspects in the death ? IF the car was stolen,surely they would be looking for the thieves? Iffy as ....

[montblanc]

Similar thing happened with my nephew in edinburgh...father pops in to get the pub takings..comes out and car gone with wee nephew inside...thief left car and phoned police after discovering him..

wtf how scary!

[Livia]

I heard this on the news and like everyone else, I think it's fishy at best.

[bots]

i don't wan't this to be a sinister event and hope it isn't, but like many i'm suspicious and i expect the authorities will be too.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-43468076



If the police thought for one second the car had been stolen they would be looking for the thieves

[Crimson Dynamo]

A window must have been open or the car would have bobbed about with air trapped in it, with a window open it would have sunk

the small child died a horrific death

[AnnieK]

I thought it had now been decided that this was a tragic, avoidable accident. I thought the mum had nipped out leaving the baby in the car and not put the handbrake on? I thought the theft story was unsubstantiated.

Poor baby :sad:

[chuff me dizzy]

It stunk to me when i first read it, has anyone seen the father talking about "stacked up lemons" ? Ive seen it tweeted and on Facebook, but can't find the full comment its supposed to be on Wales online,but it wont open for me .... He also was supposed to have put smilies and emojis on too HOURS after his baby's death

[Beso]

It stunk to me when i first read it, has anyone seen the father talking about "stacked up lemons" ? Ive seen it tweeted and on Facebook, but can't find the full comment its supposed to be on Wales online,but it wont open for me .... He also was supposed to have put smilies and emojis on too HOURS after his baby's death

Some people deal with death in different ways...but it does sound like a weird thing to do.

Rip little mite.

[smudgie]

Looking at the scene, it does look like an accident.
Mother may have forgot to put the handbrake on.
The little girl could have unclipped her seat and been playing, whatever happened, it is an awful tragedy.
My thoughts go out to the family. :sad:

[Brillopad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-43468076



If the police thought for one second the car had been stolen they would be looking for the thieves

It’s too horrible to contemplate!

[Ammi]

...so when the car had rolled was when it was reported../..thought to be stolen then..?...


...Kiara..so sad, so tragic...I can’t think what her family must be going through right now...awful..:sad:...

[Kazanne]

Looks like it was a tragic accident according to the news,how very sad,poor child.

[Cal.]

Poor little girl :(

Her mum and dad seem very strange.

[kirklancaster]

I read that the poor little child had 'Learning Difficulties'.

Whether that turns out to be 'relevant' or not remains to be seen, but 'something' about this tragic incident does not 'sit right' with me.

Just my opinion.

[Kazanne]

Poor little girl :(

Her mum and dad seem very strange.

Yes their reactions were strange to say the least, both on FB after her death, plus that car was in the water for two hours before it was found, so how come she was pulled out and died in hospital ?surely after two hours she would have been dead at the scene.I have to admit I have wondered if this was an accidently on purpose 'accident' I hope I am wrong.

[Cherie]

Who leaves their 3 year old girl in a car on her own though, it's one thing to nip in to pay for your petrol if you have a baby in the back fast asleep who can't release themselves even if they do wake up, but a girl of 3, why didn't they take her with them or one of them stay in the car, if it is a tragic accident I don't know how they will ever get over doing that. Its negligence on par with the McCanns (at the risk of triggering LT)

[Brillopad]

Yes their reactions were strange to say the least, both on FB after her death, plus that car was in the water for two hours before it was found, so how come she was pulled out and died in hospital ?surely after two hours she would have been dead at the scene.I have to admit I have wondered if this was an accidently on purpose 'accident' I hope I am wrong.

Oh me too. Too horrible to think her own parents could conspire to kill her like that. Imagine if there is a higher plane to which our ‘souls’ go after death and she was aware of that. Poor little thing.

It would also make you wonder how she may have been treated in her short life by people capable of doing that to their own little girl. I really don’t know what to think.

[arista]

So the Car was not Stolen at all.

It rolled down the hill into the water
the mother failed to put the hand brake on
proper.

She needed some cash from her Desk draw
so ran up to it
there was snow so she left the car heater on etc.


Ref : The Sun
and Ch5HD Paper review at 10:03AM today.

[Livia]

Like Cal, Kaz, Kirk and Cherie... it seems kind of odd, and so do the parents. Tragic of course, for the child. And if the mother left off the handbrake like it has been reported, not sure how someone could live with that.

[Cherie]

So the Car was not Stolen at all.

It rolled down the hill into the water
the mother failed to put the hand brake on
proper.

She need some cash from her Desk draw
so ran up to it
there was snow so she left the car heater on etc.


Ref : The Sun
and Ch5HD Paper review at 10:03AM today.

so she left the engine running :umm2:

[Kazanne]

Who leaves their 3 year old girl in a car on her own though, it's one thing to nip in to pay for your petrol if you have a baby in the back fast asleep who can't release themselves even if they do wake up, but a girl of 3, why didn't they take her with them or one of them stay in the car, if it is a tragic accident I don't know how they will ever get over doing that. Its negligence on par with the McCanns (at the risk of triggering LT)

Their reaction after ,seems remarkably like theirs aswell.

[Crimson Dynamo]

people leave kids strapped in cars all the time I think

In the McCanns case an abductor was the key element not the situation

[Cal.]

Their reaction is very much:

Can’t believe our little girl is gone! Thank you for all your messages! She was a lovely little girl! We will never live with ourselves!

[Kazanne]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5863256/kiara-moore-mum-quizzed-police-river-death/

Hmm,still not sure about this.

[smudgie]

So sad.
To lose a child is horrendous, but to know it was down to a mistake you made must be very hard to live with.

[jaxie]

This whole thing seems really odd, more so after a picture of where the car was parked. What sort of idiot leaves a young child unattended in a car on a steep slipway that point straight at the water. It may be a tragic accident but still it seems incredibly careless and dangerous for a parent to do that.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but if you were on a steep incline and forgot to put the handbrake on wouldn't the car just keep going if you took your foot off the break?

[Kazanne]

This whole thing seems really odd, more so after a picture of where the car was parked. What sort of idiot leaves a young child unattended in a car on a steep slipway that point straight at the water. It may be a tragic accident but still it seems incredibly careless and dangerous for a parent to do that.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but if you were on a steep incline and forgot to put the handbrake on wouldn't the car just keep going if you took your foot off the break?

Plus would a car roll down in a straight line ? they usually veer to the left or right if they are not steered.

[bots]

Plus would a car roll down in a straight line ? they usually veer to the left or right if they are not steered.

freak accidents do happen. The case where that Star trek actor ran himself over comes to mind. However, a lot of things had to happen for this to end up in the tragedy that it did. First, the car would need to be left out of gear with the handbrake not fully engaged, then it would need to be exactly aligned to fall down the path into the water, then sufficient time passed for it to have sunk without a trace (and without a sound) so that they could assume it was stolen .... cars don't sink quickly, it wouldn't have gone into the water at speed.

So, how long does it take to pick up some money from the office. 1 minute, 2? Certainly wouldn't expect it to be more than that, else why leave the baby in the car. A car would not have sunk without trace in that time, so it would have been visible. For me its an awful lot of coincidences

[Kazanne]

freak accidents do happen. The case where that Star trek actor ran himself over comes to mind. However, a lot of things had to happen for this to end up in the tragedy that it did. First, the car would need to be left out of gear with the handbrake not fully engaged, then it would need to be exactly aligned to fall down the path into the water, then sufficient time passed for it to have sunk without a trace (and without a sound) so that they could assume it was stolen .... cars don't sink quickly, it wouldn't have gone into the water at speed.

So, how long does it take to pick up some money from the office. 1 minute, 2? Certainly wouldn't expect it to be more than that, else why leave the baby in the car. A car would not have sunk without trace in that time, so it would have been visible. For me its an awful lot of coincidences

Plus would a credit card snap if you sat one it ? and they say the car was in the water for 2 hours :shrug:

[jaxie]

Plus would a credit card snap if you sat one it ? and they say the car was in the water for 2 hours :shrug:

I've always found credit cards pretty bendy. It's quite hard to snap one forcefully with your hands. :shrug:

[jaxie]

From a news report in the mirror today "Police are investigating the tragedy and could question the 25-year-old as to whether she put Kiara "at risk" by leaving her alone in a car on a steep slope. "

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes their reactions were strange to say the least, both on FB after her death, plus that car was in the water for two hours before it was found, so how come she was pulled out and died in hospital ?surely after two hours she would have been dead at the scene.I have to admit I have wondered if this was an accidently on purpose 'accident' I hope I am wrong.

2 hours and died in hospital ? what the hell :shocked: Sounds even more iffy now

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5863256/kiara-moore-mum-quizzed-police-river-death/

Hmm,still not sure about this.

That looks a very narrow gap for any car to go down when its not being steered

[Crimson Dynamo]

the car would have gone straight. This is how quick it could have taken on water

2YaMEW30bv4

so pretty quick actually

[chuff me dizzy]

the car would have gone straight. This is how quick it could have taken on water

2YaMEW30bv4

so pretty quick actually

Its the width of the gap the car had to go through thats seems odd to me ,with brick walls on either side ,and a ledge that could have stopped it going in

[chuff me dizzy]

Has anyone seen the photo that the Dad removed the little girls face from ? why would you do that ?

[Cherie]

people leave kids strapped in cars all the time I think

In the McCanns case an abductor was the key element not the situation

and most kids once they can toddle can unstrap themselves and open doors so it's just lazy not to take them out with you :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and most kids once they can toddle can unstrap themselves and open doors so it's just lazy not to take them out with you :nono:

they cant press a centrepin harness so they are quite secure

unless you get robbed or the car rolls into a river or its too hot or a car crashes into it or something falls on it from above or the car catches fire

[Kazanne]

Here are pics Chuff found,this one the girls image has been taken off

http://i.imgur.com/ykL2wQDs.png (https://imgur.com/ykL2wQD)

And the one where the car was found


http://i.imgur.com/xykZJC8b.png (https://imgur.com/xykZJC8)

[Kazanne]

Has anyone seen the photo that the Dad removed the little girls face from ? why would you do that ?

I have now,plus they actually looked for the car in the river before she was reported stolen, it's a strange one this for sure

[chuff me dizzy]

Here are pics Chuff found,this one the girls image has been taken off

http://i.imgur.com/ykL2wQDs.png (https://imgur.com/ykL2wQD)

And the one where the car was found


http://i.imgur.com/xykZJC8b.png (https://imgur.com/xykZJC8)

Seems odd he says "car found" and not his child to me