Ian Austin MP / Boris : Putin will use Russia World cup like Hitler did at Olympics

[arista]

Long Time back Boris
not wise to say "Hitler"

Update:
It was Labour MP Ian Austin
who said the words and Boris agreed
ref: DP 23/3/18 BBC2HD last 8mins

Summer 1936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics
well done USA Jesse Owens beating the Blonde Germans


https://news.sky.com/story/live-boris-johnson-faces-grilling-over-russia-and-brexit-11298986


[The Foreign Secretary fields questions from the Foreign Affairs committee in Parliament.]

[DemolitionRed]

This is what happens when you give a mans job to a boy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is what happens when you give a mans job to a boy.

can you explain what you mean as Boris is not a boy and he made a comparison?

[MTVN]

It was a Labour MP who made the comparison initially, Boris just agreed with it

[arista]

It was a Labour MP who made the comparison initially, Boris just agreed with it


Labour MP
yes .

[Livia]

Boris Johnson said that Putin will use the World Cup in the same say that Hitler used the Olympics, ie: for propaganda purposes. And he's not the only one thinking it. I've had this self-same conversation with someone just recently. I'm sure most people will be able to understand the comparison Boris was making.

[arista]

So it was Labour MP Ian Austin that said those Nazi words, first
and Boris agreed

[smudgie]

So it was Labour MP Ian Austin that said those Nazi words, first
and Boris agreed

It was indeed.

[jaxie]

It was a Labour MP who made the comparison initially, Boris just agreed with it

Yeah this has been widely misreported as Boris saying it, he didn't, he said the Labour guy who said was probably right. :shrug: Even so it is probably right, Putin is going to use it as a propaganda tool.

[Tom4784]

I think it's a fair statement.

[Kizzy]

We were there in 36, we won gold in the ice hockey... Our football team were in Germany in 38 for the cup final... nazi salutes all round

jlbLHviSTPc

'Here is the English football team giving the Nazi salute to Germany in 1938. While Jewish, disabled, sick, and elderly Germans were being sent to concentration and death camps, it was business as usual as far as the UK establishment was concerned.'

No talk of boycotting the event though?...

https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2018/03/22/boris-johnson-russia-nazi-germany/

[jaxie]

I think Jess Owens is the most important and memorable thing about the Nazi Olympics.

[Kizzy]

I think Jess Owens is the most important and memorable thing about the Nazi Olympics.

The oppressed standing up to oppression? I agree.

[DemolitionRed]

So it was Labour MP Ian Austin that said those Nazi words, first
and Boris agreed

Then he's stupid and Boris was equally stupid to adopt what he said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Then he's stupid and Boris was equally stupid to adopt what he said.

but you dont say why?

[DemolitionRed]

Because more than two million Soviet Jews are believed to have died during the Holocaust and in warfare against the Nazi's and over six million Russian soldiers were killed fighting the Germans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because more than two million Soviet Jews are believed to have died during the Holocaust and in warfare against the Nazi's and over six million Russian soldiers were killed fighting the Germans.

Ok, but what has that to do with the Propaganda comparison using a world watched sporting event?

[arista]

Then he's stupid and Boris was equally stupid to adopt what he said.

Yes Fair Points DR

[Twosugars]

Ok, but what has that to do with the Propaganda comparison using a world watched sporting event?
that it will play very badly with ordinary Russians, even those against Putin

[Twosugars]

I get that Treeeza wants to keep bojo in the tent pissing out, but foreign affairs is probably the last brief he should have been given

[Crimson Dynamo]

that it will play very badly with ordinary Russians, even those against Putin

I dont think Putin is very interested in "ordinary Russians"..

[Twosugars]

but we are not interested in alienating ordinary Russians

[Crimson Dynamo]

but we are not interested in alienating ordinary Russians

they get lied to via controlled media, I doubt anything the UK says comes to them straight or they have been lied to for so long everything "plays badly"

[DemolitionRed]

they get lied to via controlled media, I doubt anything the UK says comes to them straight or they have been lied to for so long everything "plays badly"

And we don't?!? You believe we are told it straight... how it is? I think you'l find that we've been lied to quite a bit, especially about Russia.

[Beso]

Whats owen jones tweeting Demo?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And we don't?!? You believe we are told it straight... how it is? I think you'l find that we've been lied to quite a bit, especially about Russia.

by who, be specific?

[DemolitionRed]

by who, be specific?

Oh come on! there is so much one sided bias (that can work both ways) with mainstream media. It feels like every newspaper has an agenda that pushes their own political interests/beliefs. The only daily paper that calls out the lies… be it tactfully, is the Independent but even with this paper there isn't anything like enough critical thinking necessary to stop people being brain washed. People honestly do become the regular paper they read!
Mainstream media are full of opinions without facts. Nothings transparent and when its not transparent, its readers aren't able to make choices. I could sit and read the Daily Mails political section and quickly point out its superficial inaccuracies and I can do the same with The Guardian but what's the point?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh come on! there is so much one sided bias (that can work both ways) with mainstream media. It feels like every newspaper has an agenda that pushes their own political interests/beliefs. The only daily paper that calls out the lies… be it tactfully, is the Independent but even with this paper there isn't anything like enough critical thinking necessary to stop people being brain washed. People honestly do become the regular paper they read!
Mainstream media are full of opinions without facts. Nothings transparent and when its not transparent, its readers aren't able to make choices. I could sit and read the Daily Mails political section and quickly point out its superficial inaccuracies and I can do the same with The Guardian but what's the point?

You are not seriously comparing our media to that of Russia?

[DemolitionRed]

You are not seriously comparing our media to that of Russia?

You're not seriously saying you believe everything you are told?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're not seriously saying you believe everything you are told?

not only is that a rather silly question, it does not answer mine?

[DemolitionRed]

If you choose to align yourself with the popular story. If you choose to believe it and adopt it as truth, then you make yourself very safe in the context of society and tribal living. Its like religion. If you want to be able to put reason to everything then religion supplies you with that, whereas science doesn't.

[Beso]

If you choose to align yourself with the popular story. If you choose to believe it and adopt it as truth, then you make yourself very safe in the context of society and tribal living. Its like religion. If you want to be able to put reason to everything then religion supplies you with that, whereas science doesn't.


Scientists, tell you that..you were brainwashed from school.

[DemolitionRed]

not only is that a rather silly question, it does not answer mine?

Yours was a silly question because I don't speak or read Russian and therefore can only answer your question on the British angle.

[jet]

Oh come on! there is so much one sided bias (that can work both ways) with mainstream media. It feels like every newspaper has an agenda that pushes their own political interests/beliefs. The only daily paper that calls out the lies… be it tactfully, is the Independent but even with this paper there isn't anything like enough critical thinking necessary to stop people being brain washed. People honestly do become the regular paper they read!
Mainstream media are full of opinions without facts. Nothings transparent and when its not transparent, its readers aren't able to make choices. I could sit and read the Daily Mails political section and quickly point out its superficial inaccuracies and I can do the same with The Guardian but what's the point?

So where do you get your absolute facts from if you can tell all the papers report lies/inaccuracies and not their own opinions of facts (which will obviously be biased to a lesser or greater degree, and which anyone of average intelligence can ascertain by reading between the lines).
The BBC? Sky News? :hee: Where? As you seem to know they are lies, inaccuracies, and just opinions, spill your 100% factual sources as I'd like to be in the know as well.

[MTVN]

Oh come on! there is so much one sided bias (that can work both ways) with mainstream media. It feels like every newspaper has an agenda that pushes their own political interests/beliefs. The only daily paper that calls out the lies… be it tactfully, is the Independent but even with this paper there isn't anything like enough critical thinking necessary to stop people being brain washed. People honestly do become the regular paper they read!
Mainstream media are full of opinions without facts. Nothings transparent and when its not transparent, its readers aren't able to make choices. I could sit and read the Daily Mails political section and quickly point out its superficial inaccuracies and I can do the same with The Guardian but what's the point?

The Indy has not been a serious news source since it went out of print

[DemolitionRed]

So where do you get your absolute facts from if you can tell all the papers report lies/inaccuracies and not their own opinions of facts (which will obviously be biased to a lesser or greater degree, and which anyone of average intelligence can ascertain by reading between the lines).
The BBC? Sky News? :hee: Where? As you seem to know they are lies, inaccuracies, and just opinions, spill your 100% factual sources as I'd like to be in the know as well.

When it comes to fiscal spending, most of the reporters in the national press simply don't understand how it works and so parrot the lies of the politicians. That's just lazy journalism but its lazy journalism that controls public thinking. If you want to understand about how tax works (and most people don't) and if you want to understand how and why we have austerity or if you want to understand the difference between household spending and government spending, start studying and stop reading blurry reporting because only then can you separate fact from fiction.

Also stop reading the paper that just suits your agenda and polarizes your views. Just because the paper says what you want it to say, doesn't make it truth. Stop reading what sells because its bulked out with exaggeration and sensationalizing. Most national papers treat us like idiots with their alarmist rhetoric.

In these modern times we have both neutral and factual information at our finger tips. Its easy enough to fact check.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't like Putin. I believe he's a thug and I believe his propaganda machine is worse than ours. But since Cameron took the throne we've been treating Russia (Putin) as the enemy. What happened in Ukraine was a reaction to EU expansion and although I still somewhat sit on the side of the EU and Washington, I fully understand why, when we encroached onto Russians Black Sea, there was a strong reaction from the Putin. Would the EU allow the UK to fall into Russian hands? Did Washington allow Cuba to align itself with Russia?!? What we were doing was weakening Russian borders. We now have NATO patrolling the Black Sea. Thats like Russia patrolling the English Channel!

As for Syria and the attempt to topple Assad. We aligned ourselves with Islamic jihadists and attempted to hand Syria over to Islamic State and we tried to do that, not because Assad is an evil dictator (which he possibly is) but because Syria aligns itself with Iran and Russia and had apposed a pipeline from the Gulf States to Europe.

If there's one thing I would praise Trump for, it was his initial attempt to reduce tension between Putin and the West. Perhaps he naively believed he could stop this drive on a new Cold War with Russia.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Indy has not been a serious news source since it went out of print

correct it is mere clickbait now in order to survive

notice how it continuously triggers Kizzy, for example

[jet]

When it comes to fiscal spending, most of the reporters in the national press simply don't understand how it works and so parrot the lies of the politicians. That's just lazy journalism but its lazy journalism that controls public thinking. If you want to understand about how tax works (and most people don't) and if you want to understand how and why we have austerity or if you want to understand the difference between household spending and government spending, start studying and stop reading blurry reporting because only then can you separate fact from fiction.

Also stop reading the paper that just suits your agenda and polarizes your views. Just because the paper says what you want it to say, doesn't make it truth. Stop reading what sells because its bulked out with exaggeration and sensationalizing. Most national papers treat us like idiots with their alarmist rhetoric.

In these modern times we have both neutral and factual information at our finger tips. Its easy enough to fact check.


I read a variety of papers and have a mind of my own, thanks.

[Brillopad]

I read a variety of papers and have a mind of my own, thanks.

Honestly Jet - could DRs posts get any more patronising and belittling.

If we don’t support Corbyn or mass migration we are allegedly all a bunch of uneducated drones. Getting really tiresome - but most of all, especially from her
Point of few, it is unlikely to convert others to her way of thinking.

[DemolitionRed]

Honestly Jet - could DRs posts get any more patronising and belittling.

If we don’t support Corbyn or mass migration we are allegedly all a bunch of uneducated drones. Getting really tiresome - but most of all, especially from her
Point of few, it is unlikely to convert others to her way of thinking.

Oh what's wrong Brillo, you took it all personally and therefore have nothing to debate :hehe:

[jet]

Oh what's wrong Brillo, you took it all personally and therefore have nothing to debate :hehe:

Just DR being patronising and belittling again brillo.

[Brillopad]

Oh what's wrong Brillo, you took it all personally and therefore have nothing to debate :hehe:

Nope. Personally I would say the same about your increasingly patronising posts.

Such a tone often stems from desperation - or alternatively is exactly how it comes across - as put-down, condescending garbage from those who see their views as more knowledgable. It is pompous nonsense in my opinion.

[JoshBB]

To be honest.. I can understand the comparison, but as Foreign Secretary, surely Boris could use a more diplomatic tone