Comic Relief ditch 'white saviour' celebrities such as Ed Sheeran and Dermot O'Leary

[Crimson Dynamo]

Comic Relief ditch 'white saviour' celebrities such as Ed Sheeran and Dermot O'Leary from 'poverty porn' fundraising films

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Comic Relief to stop using celebrities to tell stories of people living in poverty
Comes after clip of Ed Sheeran offering to pay for boy's housing was slammed
David Lammy MP also criticised charity for portrayal of Africa as poverty-ridden


Comic Relief has stopped using celebrities such as Ed Sheeran and Eddie Redmayne for 'poverty porn' appeals that reinforce white saviour stereotypes.

Liz Warner, CEO of Comic Relief, said the organisation had taken its 'first steps' towards change.

It comes after David Lammy MP slammed the charity for portraying Africa as a continent of poverty-stricken victims and stereotypes.

Aid watchdog SAIH also criticised a video of pop star Sheeran meeting a street boy in Liberia and offering to pay for his housing.

The watchdog said: 'This is a video is about Ed Sheeran. It’s literally poverty tourism.

'The video should be less about Ed shouldering the burden alone but rather appealing to the wider world to step in.

'Massive improvement in the end. But is Ed Sheeran willing to pay for the boy's housing forever?

'What an irresponsible thing to do, and for this video to glorify that is terrible.'

Other fundraising challenges fronted by celebrities included Dermet O'Leary's 24-hour Comic Relief Dance Challenge in 2015.

Ms Warner said Comic Relief had replaced celebrity storytellers with Africans, following a record-breaking 24-hour telethon that raised £55.4million in 2016.

She said it allowed Africans to speak for themselves.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5535749/Comic-Relief-ditch-white-saviour-celebs-fundraising-films.html


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[Oliver_W]

The main thing is - does it get people donating? If so, keep doing it, and let people moan about "white saviours" while the charity benefits.

[bots]

The main thing is - does it get people donating? If so, keep doing it, and let people moan about "white saviours" while the charity benefits.

that's the point of the exercise, and why celebs are used in the first place. Funny they don't seem interested in that side of it

[Mystic Mock]

It sounds a bit weird that people are moaning about celebrities promoting the charity, even if it's embellished videos by people like Ed Sheeran, if it does the charity some good then that's all that should matter surely?

[Oliver_W]

that's the point of the exercise, and why celebs are used in the first place. Funny they don't seem interested in that side of it

Exactly. I only watch CiN or similar shows because I like the celebrities involved, or because I want to see the Call the Midwife skit or the Dr Who trailer/clip, or to see the bands perform etc. and if the stories being presented make me feel so inclined, I'll make a little donation.

[Kizzy]

I'm conflicted here, I can see the 'white saviour' aspect that said hoe are comic relief going to reach the audiences to donate without the draw of 'pop culture' celebs?

[Oliver_W]

I'm conflicted here, I can see the 'white saviour' aspect that said hoe are comic relief going to reach the audiences to donate without the draw of 'pop culture' celebs?

By filming Africans talking about their lives, apparently.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They whole thing needs scrapping

[Ashley.]

I do think that there are other ways to encourage people to donate than this and I can completely understand why people disagree with it. Sometimes I've even thought to myself, 'Isn't that a bit insulting? What is that going to accomplish?' Yes, perhaps people are influenced by seeing their favourite artist/band flying out to an LEDC for a couple of days and showing us what they're living like, but we're not learning anything new about these conditions. I remember when I was younger, about seven or eight, my father showed me a newspaper clipping with a story about how young children were drinking their own urine because they were that dehydrated... I've helped to raise money for and donate to these charities since then. My point is, a celebrity has never encouraged me to donate. It was that conversation I had with my father eighteen years ago.

Of course, these celebrities play a good sized role in encouraging people to donate, but there are better ways of doing it. I don't feel as though it's necessary for them to fly over to poverty-stricken areas and fall into this "knight in shining armour" role, treating these countries like a tourist attraction, walking through their home and pointing out everything that's wrong about it. Could it encourage people to donate? Maybe. But it's at the expense of those who are less well-off than us.

[Kizzy]

I do think that there are other ways to encourage people to donate than this and I can completely understand why people disagree with it. Sometimes I've even thought to myself, 'Isn't that a bit insulting? What is that going to accomplish?' Yes, perhaps people are influenced by seeing their favourite artist/band flying out to an LEDC for a couple of days and showing us what they're living like, but we're not learning anything new about these conditions. I remember when I was younger, about seven or eight, my father showed me a newspaper clipping with a story about how young children were drinking their own urine because they were that dehydrated... I've helped to raise money for and donate to these charities since then. My point is, a celebrity has never encouraged me to donate. It was that conversation I had with my father eighteen years ago.

Of course, these celebrities play a good sized role in encouraging people to donate, but there are better ways of doing it. I don't feel as though it's necessary for them to fly over to poverty-stricken areas and fall into this "knight in shining armour" role, treating these countries like a tourist attraction, walking through their home and pointing out everything that's wrong about it. Could it encourage people to donate? Maybe. But it's at the expense of those who are less well-off than us.

We wouldn't be doing it if they weren't would we?

Not all the celebs are white that highlight issues in Africa, I can't help but think it's counterproductive, for genuinely involved people like Ed Sheeran to reduce him to his skin colour to prohibit him from contributing his money and efforts is unfair and effectively prejudiced.

The UK is predominantly a white country, there will be white people donating, what's wrong with white people promoting the cause? :/

In the name of inclusion and integration this is a bad call, worse it's regressive. The image of the colonialist white saviour was nothing like Ed Sheeran... surely that's apparent?

[user104658]

It's not just that it's insulting, it furthers an image of Africa as "poor and dirty" that actively damages Africa, stops African nations from being taken seriously as real nations, and KEEPS African people in a cycle of poverty. African nations need help being taken seriously as places where real trade, tourism, and economic development can occur for things to ever change in any meaningful way... they don't need Ed Sheeran digging a well whilst wiping a single tear from his cheek.

[user104658]

We wouldn't be doing it if they weren't would we?

Not all the celebs are white that highlight issues in Africa, I can't help but think it's counterproductive, for genuinely involved people like Ed Sheeran to reduce him to his skin colour to prohibit him from contributing his money and efforts is unfair and effectively prejudiced.

The UK is predominantly a white country, there will be white people donating, what's wrong with white people promoting the cause? :/

In the name of inclusion and integration this is a bad call, worse it's regressive. The image of the colonialist white saviour was nothing like Ed Sheeran... surely that's apparent?

It's not really about the literal colour of his skin in my opinion; these videos and propaganda are just as much of a problem when it's black "rich western celebs" sitting wringing their hands.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And funny how often its the artists who have something to sell themselves that miraculously are able to donate "their time" to the cause.....

[Kizzy]

It's not just that it's insulting, it furthers an image of Africa as "poor and dirty" that actively damages Africa, stops African nations from being taken seriously as real nations, and KEEPS African people in a cycle of poverty. African nations need help being taken seriously as places where real trade, tourism, and economic development can occur for things to ever change in any meaningful way... they don't need Ed Sheeran digging a well whilst wiping a single tear from his cheek.

It's not an image, there are huge swathes that are poor and dirty, you can't coddle people from that. Whether Ed is there wiping tears or not they will still be there still be poor and still be dirty... What's the alternative?

Govts don't decide who to trade with based on how many telethons their country has, corruption and exploitation play a part.

[Twosugars]

Celebs could still provide entertainment and make appeals, just not star in those reports from Africa. Instead let the locals tell the story.

[Kizzy]

It's not really about the literal colour of his skin in my opinion; these videos and propaganda are just as much of a problem when it's black "rich western celebs" sitting wringing their hands.

It's still highlighting the issue though isn't it and bringing it to a wider audience, as I said what's the alternative, if it's a corrupt government failing their citizens how do you convey that to a wider audience... how does it help those people survive now?

[Kizzy]

Celebs could still provide entertainment and make appeals, just not star in those reports from Africa. Instead let the locals tell the story.

They do don't they? There are lots of personal accounts on comic relief. There might be one or two celebs that make the effort to travel to Africa to actually report annually... It can't be Lenny Henry forever :/

[Twosugars]

And funny how often its the artists who have something to sell themselves that miraculously are able to donate "their time" to the cause.....
yeah
there's always a new single/book/show/film etc

[bots]

i'm not interested in the video stories, its always contrived to invoke an emotional response and make you part with cash. Very little of it reflects how life really is there. Go to any city in the world and you could film a kid experiencing hard times. It's emotional blackmail, and shouldn't be broadcast with out a "you are being exploited" warning.

[Twosugars]

They do don't they? There are lots of personal accounts on comic relief. There might be one or two celebs that make the effort to travel to Africa to actually report annually... It can't be Lenny Henry forever :/
then have charity workers do that, imo

[user104658]

It's not an image, there are huge swathes that are poor and dirty, you can't coddle people from that. Whether Ed is there wiping tears or not they will still be there still be poor and still be dirty... What's the alternative?

Govts don't decide who to trade with based on how many telethons their country has, corruption and exploitation play a part.

Part of the reason for them being poor and dirty is that people consider them to be poor and dirty, though. It's a vicious circle, and parading these nations as victims on national television doesn't help matters. They might raise £50 million but that is absolute piss in the ocean when it comes down to the sort of economic troubles that these countries have.

Many African nations themselves have said that rather than feeling sorry for them and sending chump change, it would be much better if people simply started buying from these countries, visiting these countries, and basically allowing them to function as a "real" country.

The perception of the African continent as the world's poor neighbour is massively damaging.

[Kizzy]

i'm not interested in the video stories, its always contrived to invoke an emotional response and make you part with cash. Very little of it reflects how life really is there. Go to any city in the world and you could film a kid experiencing hard times. It's emotional blackmail, and shouldn't be broadcast with out a "you are being exploited" warning.

Are you saying the people depicted are actually in real life comfortably off?

[Kizzy]

Part of the reason for them being poor and dirty is that people consider them to be poor and dirty, though. It's a vicious circle, and parading these nations as victims on national television doesn't help matters. They might raise £50 million but that is absolute piss in the ocean when it comes down to the sort of economic troubles that these countries have.

Many African nations themselves have said that rather than feeling sorry for them and sending chump change, it would be much better if people simply started buying from these countries, visiting these countries, and basically allowing them to function as a "real" country.

The perception of the African continent as the world's poor neighbour is massively damaging.

Have you ever been to Goa.... How has that concept helped the poor there?
Billions are spent there and there are STILL areas of absolute and total destitution, undeveloped urban areas.
We have great trading links with India so what's gone wrong there then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you ever been to Goa.... How has that concept helped the poor there?
Billions are spent there and there are STILL areas of absolute and total destitution, undeveloped urban areas.
We have great trading links with India so what's gone wrong there then?

I would direct that question to the people who run business and government there. ie the people who live there.

[Twosugars]

i'm not interested in the video stories, its always contrived to invoke an emotional response and make you part with cash. Very little of it reflects how life really is there. Go to any city in the world and you could film a kid experiencing hard times. It's emotional blackmail, and shouldn't be broadcast with out a "you are being exploited" warning.
it is emotional blackmail and it goes for all charity appeals, the clue is in the name: appeal for charity by presenting the cause and asking for help
all charities do that; I donate to Dogs Trust and rspca and the letters I get are this and that dog is in a bad way (cue upsetting phots), give some more and we'll be able to save them

[Kizzy]

then have charity workers do that, imo

Would the charity workers have to be black, otherwise what's the difference?

[Kizzy]

I would direct that question to the people who run business and government there. ie the people who live there.

ok

[Twosugars]

Would the charity workers have to be black, otherwise what's the difference?
they can be white, preferably based on the ground
the difference would be that they do that day in day out, it's their life passion, not a holiday, however well-meaning

[smudgie]

Ok Mr.Lammy, we will stop showing the poor people in Africa, and then stop donating.
Just what that solves is a mystery to me.:shrug:

[jaxie]

I think the films with celebrities create publicity and publicity is good for charity. This feels like someone making an issue where there doesn't really need to be one perhaps. I've found some reports very moving and still remember them like the ones on malaria with David Tennant and Lenny Henry with the children who lived in the slum and he bought them a new house.

Maybe its about perspectives. Personally I've never thought of Africa as 'dirty' and I find the promotion of that idea in poor taste from all aspects. I do think of Africa as being largely poor, often run by dictators who help keep it that way by lining their own corrupt pockets. By helping educate and survival trough charity you hope you help sew the seeds of change for future generations you hope.

I've been donating to Zimbabwe's forgotten children since that documentary was first shown and without media I would never have known about it. As a result of the documentary many schools and children have been helped across the country by paying the fees for children to attend and making sure they have a good meal every day. I've found it something very inspirational to be involved with but it doesn't have the exposure that comic relief has and those celebrities are probably part of the reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mKndUkWik

http://zimbabweschildren.org/

[Kizzy]

they can be white, preferably based on the ground
the difference would be that they do that day in day out, it's their life passion, not a holiday, however well-meaning

So to promote a charity you have to be a charity worker only? That's rather restrictive and not at all beneficial to a cause such as comic relief.

[Kizzy]

I think the films with celebrities create publicity and publicity is good for charity. This feels like someone making an issue where there doesn't really need to be one perhaps. I've found some reports very moving and still remember them like the ones on malaria with David Tennant and Lenny Henry with the children who lived in the slum and he bought them a new house.

Maybe its about perspectives. Personally I've never thought of Africa as 'dirty' and I find the promotion of that idea in poor taste from all aspects. I do think of Africa as being largely poor, often run by dictators who help keep it that way by lining their own corrupt pockets. By helping educate and survival trough charity you hope you help sew the seeds of change for future generations you hope.

I've been donating to Zimbabwe's forgotten children since that documentary was first shown and without media I would never have known about it. As a result of the documentary many schools and children have been helped across the country by paying the fees for children to attend and making sure they have a good meal every day. I've found it something very inspirational to be involved with but it doesn't have the exposure that comic relief has and those celebrities are probably part of the reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mKndUkWik

http://zimbabweschildren.org/

Well said Jaxie, thanks for the links :)

[y.winter]

Ridiculous. It has nothing to do to them being "white" - they are celebrities nd they are being used to promote a good cause.
Calling them "white saviours" is mainly racist. Is sending a black celebrity (=privileged) better?
Nonsense.

[arista]

They whole thing needs scrapping


I agree.

[Tom4784]

I always found those appeals grotesque as it's always about the celeb and not really about the people these charities are meant to help. When you hear the news stories it's always '_____ brought to tears on Comic Relief trip to Africa' and words to that effect, we're supposed to care more about the millionaires' tears then we are about the reason why they are there.

[jaxie]

Well said Jaxie, thanks for the links :)

:wavey: You're welcome. It's a really harrowing documentary to watch you might need a big box of tissues!

[Cherie]

Will tune in later for Michael McIntyres midnight game show with Andy Murray, two more white saviours

[Cherie]

Celebs could still provide entertainment and make appeals, just not star in those reports from Africa. Instead let the locals tell the story.

then they would be accused of not getting their hands dirty, you can't win, that said this has been going on for years and we haven't enough mosquito nets or clean water yet despite all the millions sent, it really is time to scrap it

[chuff me dizzy]

Glad Ive never watched this load of tripe

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welcome to Sheeran-ville! Newly-engaged Ed Sheeran splashes out £1.5m on TWO MORE houses next door to his Suffolk mansion (which will soon have an underground man cave)


Ed Sheeran, The singer, 26, is said to be worth a huge £40million and now owns four homes close to one another
He is building an underground ‘man cave’, with a music room and cinema...


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/24/09/4887D5B100000578-0-image-a-15_1516785601433.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/22/16/485A7B0700000578-5298295-image-m-293_1516636798178.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5302461/Ed-Sheeran-purchases-two-houses-mansion.html


Ed Sheeran buys £2million ranch right next door to Taylor Swift

Lego House star bought plush property in the States three weeks ago as a 22nd birthday present to himself

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1737204.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Taylor%20Swift%20and%20Ed%20Sheeran.jpg

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ed-sheeran-buys-2million-ranch-1794568

[Twosugars]

then they would be accused of not getting their hands dirty, you can't win, that said this has been going on for years and we haven't enough mosquito nets or clean water yet despite all the millions sent, it really is time to scrap it
they'd do what they do best - entertain, free of charge, so that'd be their contribution and their way of mucking in

as to why there's still not enough, you have point; I think we all would like to know for example how the money raised last time was distributed, like a proper breakdown, and then shown how it was used and where, again with clear signs of progress and what and why is still needed, in short, strict and clear accountability

[chuff me dizzy]

Welcome to Sheeran-ville! Newly-engaged Ed Sheeran splashes out £1.5m on TWO MORE houses next door to his Suffolk mansion (which will soon have an underground man cave)


Ed Sheeran, The singer, 26, is said to be worth a huge £40million and now owns four homes close to one another
He is building an underground ‘man cave’, with a music room and cinema...


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/24/09/4887D5B100000578-0-image-a-15_1516785601433.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/22/16/485A7B0700000578-5298295-image-m-293_1516636798178.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5302461/Ed-Sheeran-purchases-two-houses-mansion.html


Ed Sheeran buys £2million ranch right next door to Taylor Swift

Lego House star bought plush property in the States three weeks ago as a 22nd birthday present to himself

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1737204.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Taylor%20Swift%20and%20Ed%20Sheeran.jpg

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ed-sheeran-buys-2million-ranch-1794568

Good on him !! his cash to spend as he chooses

[kirklancaster]

We wouldn't be doing it if they weren't would we?

Not all the celebs are white that highlight issues in Africa, I can't help but think it's counterproductive, for genuinely involved people like Ed Sheeran to reduce him to his skin colour to prohibit him from contributing his money and efforts is unfair and effectively prejudiced.

The UK is predominantly a white country, there will be white people donating, what's wrong with white people promoting the cause? :/

In the name of inclusion and integration this is a bad call, worse it's regressive. The image of the colonialist white saviour was nothing like Ed Sheeran... surely that's apparent?

I'm amazed at myself :hee: But credit where it's due:

I TOTALLY agree. Well said. :clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Ridiculous. It has nothing to do to them being "white" - they are celebrities nd they are being used to promote a good cause.
Calling them "white saviours" is mainly racist. Is sending a black celebrity (=privileged) better?
Nonsense.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well written Y.Winter.

It is RACIST and it is NONSENSE.

Celebrities figure-heading these Charity appeals are usually 'Current' and do NOT need to cynically use such broadcasts to 'Promote' themselves.

They are doing it because they CARE.

They have been approached by the charity/Appeal organisers specifically BECAUSE these Celebrities ARE Celebrities - to attract as large an audience as possible and retain the interest of that audience in the hope that as many of that audience as possible is actually 'moved' by the 'message' to cause them to donate.

This is the very reason why Celebrities are paid ludicrous fees to advertise and endorse products in commercials - IT WORKS and SALES INCREASE.

I find the term 'White-Saviour; unnecessary, offensive and annoying, and I'm not even White.

[Brother Leon]

Surely a compromise would be to use Celebs originally from that Country? Problem solved.

[Marsh.]

And funny how often its the artists who have something to sell themselves that miraculously are able to donate "their time" to the cause.....

Surely all artists have "something to sell", that's how they earn a living.

You'd be hard pressed to find a celebrity who isn't selling something. Their fortune doesn't fall from the sky.

[Wizard.]

It's not just that it's insulting, it furthers an image of Africa as "poor and dirty" that actively damages Africa, stops African nations from being taken seriously as real nations, and KEEPS African people in a cycle of poverty. African nations need help being taken seriously as places where real trade, tourism, and economic development can occur for things to ever change in any meaningful way... they don't need Ed Sheeran digging a well whilst wiping a single tear from his cheek.

I agree. Reminds me of a funny video african people made up about donating radiators to Norwegians because there country's cold :joker:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely all artists have "something to sell", that's how they earn a living.

You'd be hard pressed to find a celebrity who isn't selling something. Their fortune doesn't fall from the sky.

there are tons who do not have any current material. they have to write and record. you watch the up and coming stuff they will all have current stuff on offer

[Marsh.]

there are tons who do not have any current material. they have to write and record. you watch the up and coming stuff they will all have current stuff on offer

But then if they had nothing you'd say, look at them trying to get relevance back, trying to garner interest for a comeback. They can't win.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But then if they had nothing you'd say, look at them trying to get relevance back, trying to garner interest for a comeback. They can't win.

lets just say its not the goodness of their hearts..

[Marsh.]

lets just say its not the goodness of their hearts..

You don't know them though?

I hardly think the likes of Ed Sheeran needs the likes of Comic Relief to earn him an extra few bob. It's more likely the has-beens who show up after 10 years away.

But you just posted an irrelevant article about... Sheeran's house so there's not much logic to your argument at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don't know them though?

I hardly think the likes of Ed Sheeran needs the likes of Comic Relief to earn him an extra few bob. It's more likely the has-beens who show up after 10 years away.

But you just posted an irrelevant article about... Sheeran's house so there's not much logic to your argument at all.

If you cant see the irony then i can only think you are on the wind up?

[Marsh.]

If you cant see the irony then i can only think you are on the wind up?The irony of what?

Ed Sheeran daring to spend his money on homes?

Must he donate every penny he has to Africa, live in a bus shelter or forever be a hypocrite? No.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The irony of what?

Ed Sheeran daring to spend his money on homes?

Must he donate every penny he has to Africa, live in a bus shelter or forever be a hypocrite? No.

i would think that such a bleeding heart socialist might do more

yes

[Marsh.]

i would think that such a bleeding heart socialist might do more

yesYou expect Ed Sheeran to cure Africa with his 40 million drop in the ocean? Yeah. Ok.

What constitutes "more" considering you're up to speed on everything he does and doesn't Do?