Should national service be re introduced.

[Parmy]

I think I would like 1 years service from 18-25 year olds in either a military or charitable role


Sorry, i forgot the link.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/national-service-uk-reinstatement-693/amp/

[Cherie]

No I think it should be an option, but not compulsory

[Kazanne]

I think some teens could benefit from it,so many are ferrel and have no respect,so especially for young offenders it coud be a good thing. It may work off some of thier anger,aggresion and disrespect.

[Parmy]

No I think it should be an option, but not compulsory

It would have to be compulsory for it to work.

I know the government were thinking about discussing it in 2013.

They need to hurry up.

[RichardG]

i'd rather kill myself than go in the military

i'm not sure i'd particularly enjoy one year in a charitable role either. for me it would certainly take the 'charitable'-ness out of the act if you're forced into doing it.

[Cherie]

It would have to be compulsory for it to work.

I know the government were thinking about discussing it in 2013.

They need to hurry up.

I wouldn’t be happy to see my children forced into doing something they have no interest in, would you.?

[Parmy]

I think some teens could benefit from it,so many are ferrel and have no respect,so especially for young offenders it coud be a good thing. It may work off some of thier anger,aggresion and disrespect.

I think teens are too young, i prefer giving them the option to do the year later on when they are into thier 20s.

All must do it though.

[Parmy]

I wouldn’t be happy to see my children forced into doing something they have no interest in, would you.?

Probably not, but if its for the good of the country and was proven to better them then i would put up with it.

[Parmy]

They could even spread the year over the 7 years.

[Brother Leon]

Nope.

[smudgie]

No.
If it’s not a free choice then it wouldn’t work.

[Marsh.]

Nope. Forcing something like that would be an incredibly backwards step.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes - it would benefit the multitudes of ill educated chavs we produce through poor sexual education and discipline.

[arista]

I think I would like 1 years service from 18-25 year olds in either a military or charitable role


YES

[Underscore]

NO.

Full stop.

[Tom4784]

**** no. Military service should be a choice, not something that's forced upon people.

It didn't help solve society's problems ills back when it was a thing and it won't solve any problems now.

[Kizzy]

No.

[Tom4784]

We don't take care of the veterans that chose military service, why would you want to throw people unwilling and unsuited to military service into situations they aren't prepared for and created more people that are damaged by their experiences and ignored by the state for it?

[Parmy]

**** no. Military service should be a choice, not something that's forced upon people.

It didn't help solve society's problems ills back when it was a thing and it won't solve any problems now.

You get the choice, military or charitable.

[Parmy]

We don't take care of the veterans that chose military service, why would you want to throw people unwilling and unsuited to military service into situations they aren't prepared for and created more people that are damaged by their experiences and ignored by the state for it?

They can pick charity work then.

[Marsh.]

What constitutes "charitable"?

Working for free in a charity shop? Flying to a war zone to feed the starving? A big spectrum.

[Withano]

Oh you wanna study medicine to become a doctor? Thats great. One year in Iraq first though. Laters.

[Cherie]

I would hate to be ordered to give up my time :worry: so I wouldn't wish it on anyone

[Tozzie]

I think it would be a good idea to sign up the unruly young people and repeat offenders. It could instil some discipline and respect into them. Also it may learn them how to take responsibility for their own actions.

[jaxie]

I think some would certainly benefit from it but I don't think it should be forced.

[Matthew.]

no **** that

what an awful idea

[user104658]

Compulsory indoctrination to unquestioning obedience of authority figures?

Is there a stronger word for "no"? :think:

[Tom4784]

I think it would be a good idea to sign up the unruly young people and repeat offenders. It could instil some discipline and respect into them. Also it may learn them how to take responsibility for their own actions.

Life isn't like Suicide Squad, throwing criminals into armed service is just a bad idea all round.

[Tom4784]

You get the choice, military or charitable.

Is it really charity if it's forced on people? As someone else said, what does charitable national service look like? What would be the point?

Typically when people speak of bringing back National Service, I tend to think it's a case of them looking back with rose tinted glasses. I don't think it worked much back then and it certainly wouldn't work now as the world is a different place.

[Parmy]

Oh you wanna study medicine to become a doctor? Thats great. One year in Iraq first though. Laters.

Or become the doctor first then do your years charity work.:shrug:

[Withano]

Or become the doctor first then do your years charity work.:shrug:

Excellent use of a doctors time yes.

[Parmy]

Excellent use of a doctors time yes.

Im glad youve finally seen the point.

[Marsh.]

Wait, so they get to decide when they get a year of their life taken away from them for no possible reason?

[Marsh.]

Excellent use of a doctors time yes.

"Before you save lives, come and help to end them!"

[Withano]

"Before you save lives, come and help to end them!"

Remember that time I was about to perform life-saving surgery, but I was asked to hang up second hand clothes in a charity shop instead so I didnt.

[Marsh.]

Remember that time I was about to perform life-saving surgery, but I was asked to hang up second hand clothes in a charity shop instead so I didnt.:joker:

[Parmy]

Wait, so they get to decide when they get a year of their life taken away from them for no possible reason?

Who?

[Marsh.]

Who?The person being sent off to national service?

"We're going to take a year from you and force you to do something, which year would you like that to be?"

[Parmy]

The person being sent off to national service?

"We're going to take a year from you and force you to do something, which year would you like that to be?"


Yes....whats up with that?

You would obviously get tax benifits for the year off!

[Greg!]

I think some teens could benefit from it,so many are ferrel and have no respect,so especially for young offenders it coud be a good thing. It may work off some of thier anger,aggresion and disrespect.

On the whole old people are more disrespectful than the young though? Especially to shop workers etc.

[Tom4784]

Yes....whats up with that?

You would obviously get tax benifits for the year off!

It's a massive waste of time, you're either forcing people to delay their lives (and potentially end/ruin them) with military service or with pointless busy work in the guise of charity. It's utterly pointless either way.

[Parmy]

On the whole old people are more disrespectful than the young though? Especially to shop workers etc.

I was thinking 65-70 year olds should do the same if they missed out on the 18-25.

[Parmy]

It's a massive waste of time, you're either forcing people to delay their lives (and potentially end/ruin them) with military service or with pointless busy work in the guise of charity. It's utterly pointless either way.

In your head..not mine.

[Tom4784]

I think some teens could benefit from it,so many are ferrel and have no respect,so especially for young offenders it coud be a good thing. It may work off some of thier anger,aggresion and disrespect.

Military service would not bestow 'respect' (I'd say the phrase you are looking for is compliance) upon people today anymore than it did when National Service was a thing, which is to say, it didn't.

National Service was a waste of time and resources back then and it would be a waste of time and resources now.

[Parmy]

Charity work for the right people in the right places would instill respect.

[Tom4784]

In your head..not mine.

Tell me the actual benefits then, What is the benefits of wasting a year of someone's life in military service that they do not want or might not be suitable for (and could easily cause them harm or death) OR having them waste time working in a Charity shop when they could be in training or forging their own career?

There's no benefits to it. It's just a waste of time that's designed to punish the younger generations.

[Marsh.]

Yes....whats up with that?

You would obviously get tax benifits for the year off!

You can't see what's up with forcing people to give up a year of their lives to do something they probably don't want to do, or even worse, will not be able to handle it?

[Tom4784]

Charity work for the right people in the right places would instill respect.

And it's a complete fantasy if you think that you could find enough placements in meaningful charity work for everyone who would be forced to do it. People would just end up in a charity shop for a year of their lives and they would have nothing to show for it.

[Parmy]

Tell me the actual benefits then, What is the benefits of wasting a year of someone's life in military service that they do not want or might not be suitable for (and could easily cause them harm or death) OR having them waste time working in a Charity shop when they could be in training or forging their own career?

There's no benefits to it. It's just a waste of time that's designed to punish the younger generations.

Id rather not talk with you, you're mind wont be changed and im not having you pick holes in my answers all night. But thanks all the same though.

[Marsh.]

Charity work for the right people in the right places would instill respect.

But, that's an ambiguous term, so by charity work you mean what exactly?

[Marsh.]

Id rather not talk with you, you're mind wont be changed and im not having you pick holes in my answers all night. But thanks all the same though.

So... you will only discuss with people who will change their minds to line up with yours and who won't question what you're suggesting?

So, "Here's a serious debate, but no debate please".

:joker: I knew this forum was getting laughable but this takes the biscuit.

[Parmy]

So... you will only discuss with people who will change their minds to line up with yours and who won't question what you're suggesting?

:joker: I knew this forum was getting laughable but this takes the biscuit.

No, just folk that dont argue for the sake of arguing.

Youve obviously no interest in the subject as you find the idea so ridiculous.


Why would i waste my energy?...gnight.

[Marsh.]

No, just folk that dont argue for the sake of arguing.

So, you don't want a debate then?

So quite why you started one in the debates section is a mystery to everyone.

[Parmy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/national-service-uk-reinstatement-693/amp/

[Parmy]

I fixed the front page. I did wonder why everyone was having a go.

[Marsh.]

So that raises two questions.

1) Why didn't you start the thread with a news story if you wanted discussion on that? Rather than a debate question you were providing.

and

2) What drew your attention to a news article four and a half years old?

[Marsh.]

I fixed the front page. I did wonder why everyone was having a go.

*disagreeing with you.

[Parmy]

So that raises two questions.

1) Why didn't you start the thread with a news story if you wanted discussion on that? Rather than a debate question you were providing.

and

2) What drew your attention to a news article four and a half years old?

to be honest i couldnt be bothered to get into it tonight as something came up in between making it and getting involved in it.

My heart just wasnt in it when i came back....so gave up...

Then acted a bit petulantly..my apologies.:wavey:

[Tom4784]

Id rather not talk with you, you're mind wont be changed and im not having you pick holes in my answers all night. But thanks all the same though.

So you don't actually want to debate the topic? The topic you posted in the Serious Debates section?

[Parmy]

So you don't actually want to debate the topic? The topic you posted in the Serious Debates section?

I will when im ready to respond properly, if of course you are ok with that.

[Marsh.]

to be honest i couldnt be bothered to get into it tonight as something came up in between making it and getting involved in it.

My heart just wasnt in it when i came back....so gave up...

Then acted a bit petulantly..my apologies.:wavey:

I will when im ready to respond properly, if of course you are ok with that.

Fair enough. Maybe you should've just left it and responded appropriately later on or in the morning. The thread will still be here.

[Parmy]

Fair enough.



Thank you.

[Tom4784]

I will when im ready to respond properly, if of course you are ok with that.

That's fine.

[Parmy]

6.54-8.03


Get in there my son; something did indeed come up.

[Marsh.]

6.54-8.03


Get in there my son; something did indeed come up.

:unsure:

[Parmy]

I edited that.

[Mystic Mock]

People should not be forced to do something against their will.

It's kind of common sense.

[Niamh.]

Absolutely not

[Livia]

The army doesn't want conscripts. You have to be educated to be in today's army, they only take people with good grades... the last thing the Services want is a bunch of disengaged, resentful teenagers.

[kirklancaster]

The army doesn't want conscripts. You have to be educated to be in today's army, they only take people with good grades... the last thing the Services want is a bunch of disengaged, resentful teenagers.

:clap1: My thoughts exactly.

[Morgan.]

The issue is that teens are forced to do a lot more now compared to before when this was around and have tons more pressure - having to take 30 odd exams in a 2/3 week period, than having to remain in education for at least 2 more years amongst other things. These things make sine teens lives misery so you want to make it worse? Sure.

[Livia]

The issue is that teens are forced to do a lot more now compared to before when this was around and have tons more pressure - having to take 30 odd exams in a 2/3 week period, than having to remain in education for at least 2 more years amongst other things. These things make sine teens lives misery so you want to make it worse? Sure.

Every generation claims their teenage years are harder than everyone else's. And they're not. Wait till you're older and you experience a plethora of more important things that you will then have to worry about.

[Marsh.]

Every generation claims their teenage years are harder than everyone else's. And they're not. Wait till you're older and you experience a plethora of more important things that you will then have to worry about.

That's not relevant though?

Whatever hardships he faces when he's older, he'll face them as an older (and hopefully wiser) adult. He's talking about the life of teenagers.

[user104658]

The army doesn't want conscripts. You have to be educated to be in today's army, they only take people with good grades... the last thing the Services want is a bunch of disengaged, resentful teenagers.

Is that true? And if so is it a relatively new thing (as in the last 15 year or less)? Because there are people I went to school with who are in the army and... well... let's just say I know for a fact that they didn't get good grades :umm2:. I know of a guy who drives tanks now and it's a thought that terrifies me to my very core, because based on school I think it'd be risky to put him on a moped.

[user104658]

It has been psychologically proven that conscripts make crappy soldiers in general, though, which is why modern armies just don't do it.

[Eddie.]

There's national service where I live, and its compulsory, I certainly had no interest in doing this at all, worst two years in my life.

So for the UK, hell no!

[Matthew.]

There's national service where I live, and its compulsory, I certainly had no interest in doing this at all, worst two years in my life.

oh my god that’s terrible

did you get a choice as to what service you did (army, police etc)