More funding approved for Madeleine McCann

[Greg!]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5546721/The-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-CONTINUES-Home-Office-approves-Met-Polices-funding.html#comments

My first thought was ffs why are they spending even more taxpayer's money on this girl when there are literally thousands of missing children. But what if the "final line of enquiry" is that the parents did it? I've always had my suspicions that they are dodgy as ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:

Hopefully the sick child abductor will be brought to justice

Let's not have thread full of middle class hating prejudice

[LaLaLand]

I'm sorry but this whole thing has just been cover-up and pardons one after the other, the police should grow a pair and get those two in and grill them if they want to find anything out.

EVERYTHING points to them!

This has always stuck with me, too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html

[Marsh.]

:clap1:

Hopefully the sick child abductor will be brought to justice

Let's not have thread full of middle class hating prejudice

Scousers can't be middle-class. :nono: It's a rule.

[Jason.]

Does anyone actually care anymore? Sounds harsh, but way too much money has been spent on this that I don't see how any more is going to help.

[Marsh.]

Can you imagine the uproar if they did charge them with anything now after all the time and money that they've wasted?

They have more reason to cover any discovery up now than they did even back then in 2007.

[LaLaLand]

Tbh I think there are thousands+ people who would honestly just be happy to see them done for neglect/child cruelty, which they should have been.

Sedating your kids so you can go out and have a meal alone? Absolutely shocking.

[Marsh.]

Definitely but after the decade of appeals, TV specials, fund raising. Ugh. There'd be uproar.

Of course, there are those who have been against them from the start.

[jaxie]

I do wonder what they hope to achieve by spending more money on this after all this time. Surely if here was anything, anything at all in the way of evidence or clues, they'd have found it by now. If there was an abducter involved the trail is stone cold by now. If they were ever going to look critically at the parents they would have done so by now.

[Matthew.]

hope i’m alive to find out the truth

[Kazanne]

I do wonder what they hope to achieve by spending more money on this after all this time. Surely if here was anything, anything at all in the way of evidence or clues, they'd have found it by now. If there was an abducter involved the trail is stone cold by now. If they were ever going to look critically at the parents they would have done so by now.

I agree jaxie,i really don't know why more money is being thrown at this when this money could go towards other needy causes etc,it's just a waste,Madeline is long gone,plus as has been said before there are thousands of kids that are missing,why isn't money thrown at finding them ? also the mother of the toddler who died when the car slipped into the water is being investigated for neglect,so why weren't the McCanns investigated and charged with neglect,I do think they are well dodgy aswell.

[Nicky91]

:rolleyes: if she is still alive now i would find that a miracle from heaven

[Niamh.]

I do wonder what they hope to achieve by spending more money on this after all this time. Surely if here was anything, anything at all in the way of evidence or clues, they'd have found it by now. If there was an abducter involved the trail is stone cold by now. If they were ever going to look critically at the parents they would have done so by now.

Yep. Makes it look even more like a friends in high places cover up aswell, I mean no one gets that much police time and tax payers money thrown at them and still coming 11 years after the incident

[bots]

i'm quite happy for money to be continued to be allocated to it. For the duration that money is allocated, there is still the opportunity for there to be focus on exactly what happened, and if that means proving there has been a cover up etc, all the better. When money dries up, there is less accountability, less focus on what actually went on

[Niamh.]

i'm quite happy for money to be continued to be allocated to it. For the duration that money is allocated, there is still the opportunity for there to be focus on exactly what happened, and if that means proving there has been a cover up etc, all the better. When money dries up, there is less accountability, less focus on what actually went on

Yeah but 11 years down the line though? if they were going to look in any other direction other than the exact same one that's brought up nothing, why would they suddenly start now?

[Daniel-X]

The case of white, middle-class, blonde girl strikes again!

[Oliver_W]

At this point ... what's the point? Best case scenario is she was sold on the black market and adopted by a new family, and she'll have little to no memory of the McCanns - why whisk her away from what she sees as her family to give her to strangers who left her sedated and unsupervised?

[Niamh.]

At this point ... what's the point? Best case scenario is she was sold on the black market and adopted by a new family, and she'll have little to no memory of the McCanns - why whisk her away from what she sees as her family to give her to strangers who left her sedated and unsupervised?

Unfortunately for her, I doubt that's the case :( Poor kid never left that apartment alive imo (and the two sniffer dogs)

[LaLaLand]

Unfortunately for her, I doubt that's the case :( Poor kid never left that apartment alive imo (and the two sniffer dogs)

The same dogs that discovered blood in the family's rental car that was found to be Madeleine's... yet nothing came of it...

[Niamh.]

The same dogs that discovered blood in the family's rental car that was found to be Madeleine's... yet nothing came of it...

mmhhmmm the same dogs that detected blood and cadaver odour in all these locations :


Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:
1. Apartment 5A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the child disappeared.
1.1. Cadaver odour
* Master bedroom, in a corner, by the wardrobe
* Living room, behind the sofa, by the side window
1.2. Blood dog:
* Living room behind the sofa, close to the lateral window (on the same spot signalled by the cadaver dog);
2. Front garden to the apartment 5A
2.1. Cadaver dog
* Flower bed (the dog handler commented on the 'lightness' of the odor)
3. Apartments where the rest of the group were staying
* NOTHING was detected by the dogs
4. Actual residence of the McCann
* NOTHING was detected on the house by any of the dogs
5. St Aldeia da Luz
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs
6. Clothes and belongings of McCann family
6.1. Cadaver dog:
* 2 pieces of clothing of Kate McCann
* One piece of Madeleine McCann
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
7. Vehicle used by McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2 Blood dog
* Marked the key
* Marked the interior of the booth
8. Car used by a family friend that was staying in the same resort, in some of the same days
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs
9. All the cars used by the arguido Robert Murat and the people that are close to him
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs

(In a total of 10 cars the cadaver dog and the blood dog only marked the car of the McCann family, rented at May 27th)

The places and the pieces marked and signalled by the blood dog are being subjected to forensic exams, part of which are already concluded.

Not less relevant is the refinement of the results that point towards Madeleine's DNA as being present at the apartment 5A behind the sofa, a place marked by the cadaver and blood dog. In every place marked by the blood dog it was confirmed there was DNA.

https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.ie/2016/10/eddie-and-keela.html

[LaLaLand]

That's actually terrifying!

As awful as it sounds, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to turn on the news one day and see that they've slipped up/admitted it.

[Niamh.]

That's actually terrifying!

As awful as it sounds, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to turn on the news one day and see that they've slipped up/admitted it.

I couldn't ever see them admitting it

[Maru]

Casey Anthony 2.0?... that one I'm still shocked about even thought it was obvious she changed her story to make it sound like she and her father covered up a drowning because it appeared they were losing...

'Casey Anthony:' Dad George Anthony calls drowning theory 'a bunch of bull'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/04/11/casey-anthony-an-american-murder-mystery-george-anthony-slams-drowning-theory-as-bunch-of-bull/100320622/

Don't know enough about this case though to compare, but would not be surprised to see justice go sideways... (edit) there's often some sort of self-serving optics when it comes to prosecutions... sad but true, but that is sometimes a factor in charges, especially overcharges. So that may be a concern too...

[Niamh.]

The McCann case is so interesting when you look into it Maru. I don't know loads about the Casey Anthony one but at least they were caught (I think)

[Maru]

The McCann case is so interesting when you look into it Maru. I don't know loads about the Casey Anthony one but at least they were caught (I think)

Unfortunately no, Casey Anthony (the mother) was let go on time already served only on charges for lying to police I think... they found chloroform in the back of her car and a bunch of other evidence that she murdered her own kid, but her mother covered for her saying she was the one who googled Chloroform or some other dodges like that... the attorney sold the jury on the story of her being the victim and I guess they bought it... it was a shock outcome.

The Jon Benet Ramsey case is probably the most comparable... I'll have to read up on the McCann case but it was in the news here many years ago.

[user104658]

I'm 100% convinced that the truth on the McCann case will come out in 40+ years when they're both dead. It'll be a historical "true crime documentary" or something.

[Marsh.]

I'm 100% convinced that the truth on the McCann case will come out in 40+ years when they're both dead. It'll be a historical "true crime documentary" or something.

Yeah, if they really are guilty of a coverup one of them will confess on their deathbed or something. Or leave a memoir behind.

[user104658]

Yeah, if they really are guilty of a coverup one of them will confess on their deathbed or something. Or leave a memoir behind.Or it'll just start to surface when they're not there to bury it with lawyers and friends in high places...

[Niamh.]

I'm 100% convinced that the truth on the McCann case will come out in 40+ years when they're both dead. It'll be a historical "true crime documentary" or something.Yeah was thinking that's the only way it will ever come out aswell

[Niamh.]

Or it'll just start to surface when they're not there to bury it with lawyers and friends in high places...Jimmy Saville esque

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.ie/2016/10/eddie-and-keela.html

what do you know about this site, who made it, what credentials do they have and what motive is behind it?

[kirklancaster]

I agree jaxie,i really don't know why more money is being thrown at this when this money could go towards other needy causes etc,it's just a waste,Madeline is long gone,plus as has been said before there are thousands of kids that are missing,why isn't money thrown at finding them ? also the mother of the toddler who died when the car slipped into the water is being investigated for neglect,so why weren't the McCanns investigated and charged with neglect,I do think they are well dodgy aswell.

Yeah Kaz, but think about those poor, unfortunate investigating British Police Officers who have to keep flying to Portugal and staying there as part of their duty while ever this investigation continues.

I wonder if this case would have still received further funding if the 'Scene of Crime' had been 'Grimdyke On Bog' in the good 'ole North of England?

[Kazanne]

Yeah Kaz, but think about those poor, unfortunate investigating British Police Officers who have to keep flying to Portugal and staying there as part of their duty while ever this investigation continues.

I wonder if this case would have still received further funding if the 'Scene of Crime' had been 'Grimdyke On Bog' in the good 'ole North of England?

Well,yes,there is that Kirk:laugh:a yearly holiday guaranteed,can't be bad.:hehe:

[Niamh.]

what do you know about this site, who made it, what credentials do they have and what motive is behind it?
It matters not LT because there's actually video's of the dogs backing up exactly what I posted

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also, here is the actual Police files on it as well :

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[Crimson Dynamo]

It matters not LT because there's actually video's of the dogs backing up exactly what I posted

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also, here is the actual Police files on it as well :

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Ok so what is it that you have found that Scotland Yard have missed?

[Niamh.]

Ok so what is it that you have found that Scotland Yard have missed?

lol moving the goal posts eh? Nothing, I'm sure they're more than aware of these findings, they just choose not to go down that route (oddly the only one that has any kind of evidence) Major cover up it looks like to me, friend's in high places I would imagine. You can act like ooh tin foil hats blah blah but it's not unheard of for people to be protected (hello jimmy Saville)

Oh also Hi there Liverpool 96

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol moving the goal posts eh? Nothing, I'm sure they're more than aware of these findings, they just choose not to go down that route (oddly the only one that has any kind of evidence) Major cover up it looks like to me, friend's in high places I would imagine. You can act like ooh tin foil hats blah blah but it's not unheard of for people to be protected (hello jimmy Saville)

Oh also Hi there Liverpool 96

You are equating random 2 doctors to an entire police force?

[Niamh.]

You are equating random 2 doctors to an entire police force?

Nope not at all, just giving you a couple of examples where guilty parties have been protected :hee: The Portuguese Police believed it was them. Hey, did you hear the book the head of the original investigation wrote on the case saying he and his team believed they were guilty was allowed to stand because a judge ruled no information in there was lies and that they had NOT been proved innocent?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope not at all, just giving you a couple of examples where guilty parties have been protected :hee: The Portuguese Police believed it was them. Hey, did you hear the book the head of the original investigation wrote on the case saying he and his team believed they were guilty was allowed to stand because a judge ruled no information in there was lies and that they had NOT been proved innocent?

I would much rather listen to the UK police than the.. Portuguese Police

Our Police do not suspect Kate and her husband

[Niamh.]

I would much rather listen to the UK police than the.. Portuguese Police

Our Police do not suspect Kate and her husband

Well I have loyalties with neither the UK nor Portugese Police but personally I think the Portugese had it right, I understand you want to be loyal to your country and not feel duped though so carry on

[Ammi]

...but it’s th UK police who are applying for the funding though, surely..?...for it to be granted continuously it would have to be applied for by our own police...as Portugal won’t be giving any funding anymore for something which doesn’t involve an ‘own citizen’..?...so that’s also ‘listening’...as well...if they didn’t suspect also, why would funding be asked for to be granted..and then with no substantial evidence presented, why would it be granted in the revealing of any evidence etc ..that must be the thing with these things...

[Crimson Dynamo]

If they find out that Kate and Her husband did it

witness LT doing the classic Nicky91 Volte Face in the space of a morning

"Of course I knew all along it was them, HANG THEM" :fist:



:hee:

[Niamh.]

If they find out that Kate and Her husband did it

witness LT doing the classic Nicky91 Volte Face in the space of a morning

"Of course I knew all along it was them, HANG THEM" :fist:



:hee:

:laugh2:

[Brillopad]

Well I have loyalties with neither the UK nor Portugese Police but personally I think the Portugese had it right, I understand you want to be loyal to your country and not feel duped though so carry on

How is anyone being duped? There is no real evidence to convict the McCanns of anything. The ‘evidence’, and often vitriol, is supposition at best. Motive is one of the main requirements to convict someone of such a crime - what is the motive? The ‘accidental sedative overdose’ implications - apart from being extremely unlikely from a cardiac surgeon and GP - are again pure supposition.

[Niamh.]

How is anyone being duped? There is no real evidence to convict the McCanns of anything. The ‘evidence’, and often vitriol, is supposition at best. Motive is one of the main requirements to convict someone of such a crime - what is the motive? The ‘accidental sedative overdose’ implications - apart from being extremely unlikely from a cardiac surgeon and GP - are again pure supposition.

Well tbf I just posted pretty good pysical evidence that supports Maddie having died in the apartment but ok :laugh:

Actually the most popular theory isn't accidental overdose, it's that Maddie woke up, got out of bed (possibly groggy from sleep/being sedated), climbed on the back of the couch near the window to look out to see if she could find her parents and had an awkward fall. Where the dogs found blood splatter and cadavar odour behind the couch would support that theory.

ETA : The apartment was relatively new and no one had ever died in there so Cadaver odour should not have been there at all

[user104658]

Our Police do not suspect Kate and her husband

You have absolutely no way of knowing that :think:.

[Nicky91]

If they find out that Kate and Her husband did it

witness LT doing the classic Nicky91 Volte Face in the space of a morning

"Of course I knew all along it was them, HANG THEM" :fist:



:hee:

say what :suspect:

[jet]

If they killed her it doesn't make sense to me why they would want to keep the case alive all these years, wanting the authorities to investigate deeper, never letting it go etc. Surely they would have just let it all quietly die? It's all very odd.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You have absolutely no way of knowing that :think:.

I do as it was discussed at the lodge the other night

[Crimson Dynamo]

If they killed her it doesn't make sense to me why they would want to keep the case alive all these years, wanting the authorities to investigate deeper, never letting it go etc. Surely they would have just let it all quietly die? It's all very odd.

dont apply logic to the conspiracy theories :joker:

[Niamh.]

dont apply logic to the conspiracy theories :joker:

It's hardly a conspiracy theory to think the parents were involved though, in the vast majority of cases like these where a child is involved, it's the parents/a relative/a friend. Stranger abductions are very very rare.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's hardly a conspiracy theory to think the parents were involved though, in the vast majority of cases like these where a child is involved, it's the parents/a relative/a friend. Stranger abductions are very very rare.

not on an overseas holiday with friends is certainly isnt

[Niamh.]

not on an overseas holiday with friends is certainly isnt

It doesn't matter where it happened :/

[Kazanne]

Ben Needhams mom is on TV right now,still looking distraught and still looking for her boy,no money thrown at that one,I wonder why?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben Needhams mom is on TV right now,still looking distraught and still looking for her boy,no money thrown at that one,I wonder why?

Did she kill her son?

[Kazanne]

Did she kill her son?

No.she also answered questions put to her,and she never left him alone ,she left him with her grandparents, who let him play outside ,and it's believed he was run over by a digger as a driver confessed on his death bed, and she is not asking for money.

[Niamh.]

No.she also answered questions put to her,and she never left him alone ,she left him with her grandparents, who let him play outside ,and it's believed he was run over by a digger as a driver confessed on his death bed, and she is not asking for money.

:clap1:

That poor woman looks so broken even still all this time later as well :( Oddly enough she also feels guilty about it even though she did nothing wrong. The McCanns however still think leaving their babies home alone while they go drinking is perfectly ok

[Crimson Dynamo]

No.she also answered questions put to her,and she never left him alone ,she left him with her grandparents, who let him play outside ,and it's believed he was run over by a digger as a driver confessed on his death bed, and she is not asking for money.

so this case is unrelated to Kate and her husband who had a daughter abducted

[Niamh.]

so this case is unrelated to Kate and her husband who had a daughter abducted

allegedly*

[bots]

if i were to predict the future, i would say the best bet of getting answers lies with their other children. They will know if the parents are guilty or not.

[Brillopad]

Well tbf I just posted pretty good pysical evidence that supports Maddie having died in the apartment but ok :laugh:

Actually the most popular theory isn't accidental overdose, it's that Maddie woke up, got out of bed (possibly groggy from sleep/being sedated), climbed on the back of the couch near the window to look out to see if she could find her parents and had an awkward fall. Where the dogs found blood splatter and cadavar odour behind the couch would support that theory.

ETA : The apartment was relatively new and no one had ever died in there so Cadaver odour should not have been there at all

Maybe an intruder killed her - intentionally or otherwise. There are still too many unknowns for anyone to be sure of anything.

[Niamh.]

if i were to predict the future, i would say the best bet of getting answers lies with their other children. They will know if the parents are guilty or not.

Will they though and they were far too young to remember anything

Maybe an intruder killed her - intentionally or otherwise. There are still too many unknowns for anyone to be sure of anything.

Killed her and ran off with her dead body? Why on earth would they do that? :laugh:

[Brillopad]

Will they though and they were far too young to remember anything



Killed her and ran off with her dead body? Why on earth would they do that? :laugh:

I don’t know - maybe he was worried about DNA or something if there was some kind of struggle and he just wanted to get rid of any evidence. How can any of us know what goes on in the head off someone like that.

I don’t find it any less likely than a little girl falling off a couch and killing herself. If she had hit her head on something sharp like a radiator or something wouldn’t they know that.

[Niamh.]

I don’t know - maybe he was worried about DNA or something if there was some kind of struggle and he just wanted to get rid of any evidence. How can any of us know what goes on in the head off someone like that.

I don’t find it any less likely than a little girl falling off a couch and killing herself. If she had hit her head on something sharp like a radiator or something wouldn’t they know that.

She wouldn't have needed to hit her head off something sharp, she could have just landed awkwardly.

[Brillopad]

She wouldn't have needed to hit her head off something sharp, she could have just landed awkwardly.

Maybe - thing is there are too many maybes’ for my liking.

However I guess falling and banging her head would be better than some creep taking her and doing god knows what.

[Niamh.]

Maybe - thing is there are too many maybes’ for my liking.

However I guess falling and banging her head would be better than some creep taking her and doing god knows what.

Oh absolutely, I hope for her sake that's what happened too :(

also re the maybes, there is nothing but maybes in the case tbf and that includes an abductor of which no evidence at all exists

[Kazanne]

so this case is unrelated to Kate and her husband who had a daughter abducted

It doesn't seem to have affected them too much LT this is 2 days after she was 'abducted as they claim

http://i.imgur.com/7VigVSn.jpg (https://imgur.com/7VigVSn)

http://i.imgur.com/NgHsWtP.jpg (https://imgur.com/NgHsWtP)

http://i.imgur.com/4fSRuCJ.jpg (https://imgur.com/4fSRuCJ)

http://i.imgur.com/eyGi2Yw.jpg (https://imgur.com/eyGi2Yw)
I feel dead sorry for them.:nono:

[Amy Jade]

I would rather thry spent it on anything NHS related

[LukeB]

http://i.imgur.com/7VigVSn.jpg (https://imgur.com/7VigVSn)

http://i.imgur.com/NgHsWtP.jpg (https://imgur.com/NgHsWtP)

http://i.imgur.com/4fSRuCJ.jpg (https://imgur.com/4fSRuCJ)

http://i.imgur.com/eyGi2Yw.jpg (https://imgur.com/eyGi2Yw)
I feel dead sorry for them.:nono:

They look like they lost a bit of money or something not a child! no parent ever will smile like that when their child is missing.

I'm not being heartless because what happened to Maddy is horrible but it's been 11 years now and it annoys me that other missing kids don't have this type of media or money spent on looking for them. They should stop the funding and give it to those who are looking for their kids or the NHS.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5546721/The-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-CONTINUES-Home-Office-approves-Met-Polices-funding.html#comments

My first thought was ffs why are they spending even more taxpayer's money on this girl when there are literally thousands of missing children. But what if the "final line of enquiry" is that the parents did it? I've always had my suspicions that they are dodgy as ****.

The parents and none of the tapas group have even been re-questioned or even re-interviewed

[Niamh.]

They look like they lost a bit of money or something not a child! no parent ever will smile like that when their child is missing.

I'm not being heartless because what happened to Maddy is horrible but it's been 11 years now and it annoys me that other missing kids don't have this type of media or money spent on looking for them. They should stop the funding and give it to those who are looking for their kids or the NHS.

They never physically searched for her either which is odd, really odd. Any parent who's ever "lost" a child the first thing they do is frantically search

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree jaxie,i really don't know why more money is being thrown at this when this money could go towards other needy causes etc,it's just a waste,Madeline is long gone,plus as has been said before there are thousands of kids that are missing,why isn't money thrown at finding them ? also the mother of the toddler who died when the car slipped into the water is being investigated for neglect,so why weren't the McCanns investigated and charged with neglect,I do think they are well dodgy aswell.

McCanns would LOVE to be charged with neglect as it was their alibi ,one adult was "ill"every night ( not one of these sickness bugs were reported to Warners though:conf: ) which gives them a babysitter every night .... Its widely believed by people who have studied and delved into this case from 2007 that neglect DIDNT happen, but by Mc claiming it had, gave them the chance to pass over the lie of abduction

[chuff me dizzy]

They never physically searched for her either which is odd, really odd. Any parent who's ever "lost" a child the first thing they do is frantically search

And set up a LTD CO (not a charity as many believe ) within 6 DAYS !!

[Niamh.]

And set up a LTD CO (not a charity as many believe ) within 6 DAYS !!

as you do when your child is abducted mmmm

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

Ex Met officer ^^^

[LukeB]

They never physically searched for her either which is odd, really odd. Any parent who's ever "lost" a child the first thing they do is frantically search

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers :think: their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

[Niamh.]

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers :think: their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

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[chuff me dizzy]

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

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Not a fan of his, he's got some very dodgy bedfellows !!

[Niamh.]

Not a fan of his, he's got some very dodgy bedfellows !!

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

[chuff me dizzy]

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

Thats not Peter Hyatt .... Its doing my head in who it is, but its not Hyatt

[chuff me dizzy]

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

Its Richard D Hall .....hes lost a lot of credibility by who he's got in tow now

[Niamh.]

Its Richard D Hall .....hes lost a lot of credibility by who he's got in tow now

The video is Richard D hall and Peter Hyatt, i was asking which of them you didn't like anymore? Richard D Hall did seem a bit strange but I think Peter Hyatt is really good, I've read other stuff of his as well. Its Richard d hall interviewing Peter Hyatt and Peter Hyatt doing the analysis

[Niamh.]

Thats not Peter Hyatt .... Its doing my head in who it is, but its not Hyatt

yes it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers :think: their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

They don't work

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The video is Richard D hall and Peter Hyatt, i was asking which of them you didn't like anymore? Richard D Hall did seem a bit strange but I think Peter Hyatt is really good, I've read other stuff of his as well. Its Richard d hall interviewing Peter Hyatt and Peter Hyatt doing the analysis

Hall is in cahottes with Bennett who is poison and a fake Maddie defender who's spreads lies as truths,but people have wised up to him now ,he helps Hall with his videos ... Hyatt is very good

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yes it is

Right the photo that showed up was Hall,sorry

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html


Why would they do this ? 1 reason ... The efit is the double of Gerry ....... When it was shown on Crimewatch THOUSANDS out of Maddie groups named him,but nothing has been done

[AnnieK]

LT - why do you always say Kate and her husband but never use his name? Just curious.

However it happened, Maddie died a long time ago. I don't believe more money should be spent on this when there are far needier causes now.

[MTVN]

Police still investigate stuff from years ago all the time tbf, don't see the problem if they think there's still a chance of uncovering what happened. Ben Needham disappeared in 1991 and the police have still been investigating that recently

[Vicky.]

Bloody ridiculous. The amount of missing kids there is and I bet this case has had more spent on it than the others all combined. I know Ben Needhams mother had to fight tooth and nail for 800k I think it was, whilst this case just gets millions chucked over and over. I genuinely do think the police are now just using it as an excuse for long paid holidays.

[Vicky.]

They look like they lost a bit of money or something not a child!

Gerry actually said something really odd along these lines. Its been a long long time since I looked into this case as its just too depressing and I have my own theory but **** knows what actually happened (though there is more evidence of death than an abductor)

He said something along the lines of...it was like discovering your account was overdrawn, when asked how it felt when they discovered her missing.

[Kazanne]

Gerry actually said something really odd along these lines. Its been a long long time since I looked into this case as its just too depressing and I have my own theory but **** knows what actually happened (though there is more evidence of death than an abductor)

He said something along the lines of...it was like discovering your account was overdrawn, when asked how it felt when they discovered her missing.

There where a few things they said and did that were very strange .

[jaxie]

Thanks for the links, I did get half way through the video but ran out of time so will watch the rest. It was interesting but didn't seem a lot more than speculation.

I was quite proud of my sons teeth after cleaning them and teaching him well in his early years. Scared to say it now in case anyone thinks I'm a perv! That whole talking about teeth cleaning being some sort of disclaimer for child abuse was just a bit out there.

Having said all that they are an odd couple, and they seem almost relaxed about the whole thing. I'm not sure I could get out of bed in the mornings if a child of mine went missing but maybe you do.

[Ammi]

..that was a really absorbing watch, Niamh...not just relating to Madeleine’s disappearance ..but also in general of statement analysis...I hadn’t known there was such a thing actually...(...actually is a red flag word I think..ooooops..)...


...but yeah..the past tense thing ...(...with always the belief that she was taken but still alive..)...has always felt a bit odd...and also in a time of such extreme panic and chaos emotionally and with their thoughts etc... when she was discovered gone...Kate said her immediate thoughts were of what Madeleine had said, which is why she knew she had been taken...so it was not acted on in leaving the children alone again but it was the first immediate thought...?...I don’t think chaotic and panicked minds have immediate thoughts, do they..?...and not connecting in that way to what Madeleine had said...connection comes when the mind becomes less chaotic, surely...connection requires a calm mind ..?...anyways yeah...an absorbing and interesting vid, thank you Niamh..:love:..

[kirklancaster]

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

uS6ucYudNAo

Thank you for this.

I've been up since 2 am and have to set off for work at 6.30 but I have started to watch this very interesting video and will finish watching it tonight. I wish that SOMEONE could resolve this mystery. Poor Maddie.

[user104658]

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked. :think:

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

[Ammi]

...actually..maybe they had the ability to calm their minds in finding Madeleine gone...I do think there was ‘story telling’ and has been storytelling as the analyst said...but I don’t think that storytelling necessarily indicates the extreme of having harmed her in anyway...either intentionally or unintentionally...maybe more, a calming of their minds and self thoughts to realise ...they could be prosecuted for neglect in leaving Madeleine in the apartment...they could lose the other two children, they could lose jobs etc...because they did feel their own responsibility of her being taken../...they left the children alone...so the storytelling of painting ‘good parents’..would or could be because of their guilt and the potential consequences ...


...although the analysis stuff is interesting...I am I think still in the vein with LT with this...if there was pre- thought in that there was intention to harm her ...then why choose somewhere they had no knowledge of in concealing her body...that wouldn’t make sense to me...that they would or could be so sure to immediately say ‘she’s been taken’...that’s also surely something a parent would never say or think unless it was truly believed...that a body wouldn’t be found because there was no ‘knowledge of guilt’...of having harmed her...but there was knowledge of having left her ...so a knowledge of the potential consequences and impact of that....

...if it was unintentional...as in she came to harm because of the ‘neglect’...then that would take some thought processes of confidence to conceal her body also ...of a concealed area they could be sure of and with panicked thoughts...to be able to say in an immediate reaction..’she’s been taken’...being in such an unfamiliar place would indicate that statement and that reaction were believed as well...


...obviously there are other things as well that wouldn’t make sense if they had harmed her...intentionally or intentionally...why for so long have they kept the focus on...if they had successfully ‘covered up’...the focus could still surely discover her body..(...if they believed she was dead..)...


...I do agree that ‘disappearances’ are often connected within family/friend circles etc...the ‘known person’...those are the higher percentages with these things...and because of that, we become conditioned to ‘suspect’...and start to analyse ourselves...The media had Kate smiling etc shortly after Madeleine ‘was taken’...that’s hard to connect to feelings we would expect to see...but For someone so ‘intellegent’...as to have concealed Madeleine’s body in an unfamiliar place and to be ‘storytelling’....why would she then behave in the exact opposite way to apparent grief..?....that doesn’t make sense in my thoughts...she can remain controlled, they both can remain so controlled ...but couldn’t even ‘contol grief’ in their immediate public appearances....hmmmm....when we’ve seen other cases of child disappearances ...that ‘storytelling grief’ has been a big thing in concealment with many or most cases...but not with Gerry and Kate...


...anyway I haven’t read any of the files etc...but for there to be the evidence of blood etc in the places there were...then there seems to be a lot missing for two ‘medical people’ to have not paid attention to in removing obvious ‘evidence’...and yet be supremely confident that a body would never be found ...to be able to state so absolutely..’she’s been taken’...

[Ammi]

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked. :think:

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

...I do believe that ‘taken by someone’ did connect with her conversation with Madeleine immediately in her thoughts...but they left the children anyway...and then that connection happened immediately...I don’t know all of the ‘inconsistencies’ though..and am rushing off now...so yeah, many have studied it all more than I have...etc...

[thesheriff443]

Not an ounce of emotion from them!.
I have tryed to sit on the fence with this but after watching that analyst i truly believe she died in that apartment and they covered it up.

[bots]

I think the parents came from a position of guilt from the very beginning. They left their children and went out drinking with friends.

Something then went wrong, and Maddie either had an accident or was taken, and from that point forward the parents have been trying to minimize their own culpability. They were not honest from the outset and I don't believe they have been honest at any point to this day. I blame the parents without reservation, whether that be for abduction, an accident or murder. They remain responsible for the situation and I don't know why they haven't had to face the consequences in a court of law.

[Niamh.]

I think the parents came from a position of guilt from the very beginning. They left their children and went out drinking with friends.

Something then went wrong, and Maddie either had an accident or was taken, and from that point forward the parents have been trying to minimize their own culpability. They were not honest from the outset and I don't believe they have been honest at any point to this day. I blame the parents without reservation, whether that be for abduction, an accident or murder. They remain responsible for the situation and I don't know why they haven't had to face the consequences in a court of law.

Yes exactly, they've never admitted that leaving them alone was wrong, I believe the most they have ever said was that they were sorry that they weren't there when it happened......but the whole point is that (if we're going with the abduction narrative) it wouldn't have happened if they were there

[Niamh.]

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked. :think:

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

Yeah they insisted that the window had been "jemmied" but it was examined and that was proved false so then they changed their story to the door being left opened. I mean if your child had actually been kidnapped by a potential pedophile ring or whatever, you're not going to lie and potentially hamper finding her no way a parent isn't going to be thinking about themselves when their child is in so much danger, not unless they already know that she can no longer be helped

[Niamh.]

..that was a really absorbing watch, Niamh...not just relating to Madeleine’s disappearance ..but also in general of statement analysis...I hadn’t known there was such a thing actually...(...actually is a red flag word I think..ooooops..)...


...but yeah..the past tense thing ...(...with always the belief that she was taken but still alive..)...has always felt a bit odd...and also in a time of such extreme panic and chaos emotionally and with their thoughts etc... when she was discovered gone...Kate said her immediate thoughts were of what Madeleine had said, which is why she knew she had been taken...so it was not acted on in leaving the children alone again but it was the first immediate thought...?...I don’t think chaotic and panicked minds have immediate thoughts, do they..?...and not connecting in that way to what Madeleine had said...connection comes when the mind becomes less chaotic, surely...connection requires a calm mind ..?...anyways yeah...an absorbing and interesting vid, thank you Niamh..:love:..

He's very interesting Ammi, he did an analysis on Steve Avery too (he thinks he's guilty)

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4588686/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-tapas-seven-never-quizzed-british-police/