Migrants stop working harder than Brits after two years

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Migrants stop working harder than British people after they have been in the country for two years, research has shown.

A study by the University of Bath found Central and Eastern Europe migrants' tendency to take fewer absent days from work than British workers may be nothing more than a temporary phenomenon.

When their attendance rates were measured over two to four years they were more than three times less likely to be absent from work than native UK workers.

But after this period their absences from work increased to similar levels recorded for native UK workers. It means native UK workers may be unfairly overlooked for jobs because employers have a preconception that migrants are harder workers.

Employment experts suggested migrants were making a special effort to avoid sick days in the initial stages of their UK employment to prove that they were worth hiring over UK workers and to make up for their lack of language skills.

Dr Chris Dawson, senior lecturer in Business Economics at the University of Bath, said: "Our work backs up managers' perceptions that Polish and other Central and Eastern European migrants are harder working than UK employees, but importantly only for around two years from their arrival in the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/migrants-stop-working-harder-brits-two-years-study-finds/


What are your thoughts on this?

[Niamh.]

That they're making an effort to integrate and pick up local traditions? :fan:

[Brillopad]

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Migrants stop working harder than British people after they have been in the country for two years, research has shown.

A study by the University of Bath found Central and Eastern Europe migrants' tendency to take fewer absent days from work than British workers may be nothing more than a temporary phenomenon.

When their attendance rates were measured over two to four years they were more than three times less likely to be absent from work than native UK workers.

But after this period their absences from work increased to similar levels recorded for native UK workers. It means native UK workers may be unfairly overlooked for jobs because employers have a preconception that migrants are harder workers.

Employment experts suggested migrants were making a special effort to avoid sick days in the initial stages of their UK employment to prove that they were worth hiring over UK workers and to make up for their lack of language skills.

Dr Chris Dawson, senior lecturer in Business Economics at the University of Bath, said: "Our work backs up managers' perceptions that Polish and other Central and Eastern European migrants are harder working than UK employees, but importantly only for around two years from their arrival in the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/migrants-stop-working-harder-brits-two-years-study-finds/


What are your thoughts on this?

No surprise really as it is only to be expected that those wanting to get work, and trying to make a good impression, will make an extra effort. Self interest is the key rather than being harder workers per se. Did anyone actually believe it was anything else!

[Crimson Dynamo]

No surprise really as it is only to be expected that those wanting to get work, and trying to make a good impression, will make an extra effort. Self interest is the key rather than being harder workers per se. Did anyone actually believe it was anything else!

I think a lot ofg employers just use the "harder workers" "do work brits wont" to hide the fact they can pay them less/work them more and make more profit

[jaxie]

I think a lot ofg employers just use the "harder workers" "do work brits wont" to hide the fact they can pay them less/work them more and make more profit

Yeah pretty much this. It's all a smokescreen to get as much work as possible out of them for the least pay.

[user104658]

I wonder though... is it that they're putting in "extra" effort to make a good impression, or IS that their normal level, but then once they;ve been here a while our lack of work ethic starts to rub off on them? :joker:

So you could argue... it's just that they've become "more British" :hehe:.

[Niamh.]

I wonder though... is it that they're putting in "extra" effort to make a good impression, or IS that their normal level, but then once they;ve been here a while our lack of work ethic starts to rub off on them? :joker:

So you could argue... it's just that they've become "more British" :hehe:.

Well yeah that's what I was saying earlier (half jokingly but half not) Like I reckon if I moved to Spain I'd get into their nice laid back attitude no bother :hee:

[Kazanne]

They probably realise that they can get things without working so do not bother working so much.

[Niamh.]

They probably realise that they can get things without working so do not bother working so much.

Like the UK workers you mean? cos that's what it says in the article, they now work just like their UK colleagues :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe they just learn how to be more efficient

[Niamh.]

maybe they just learn how to be more efficient

:laugh: Could be LT, good for them

[Brillopad]

I wonder though... is it that they're putting in "extra" effort to make a good impression, or IS that their normal level, but then once they;ve been here a while our lack of work ethic starts to rub off on them? :joker:

So you could argue... it's just that they've become "more British" :hehe:.

You could - but it would just be supposition. From what I have seen there is no reason to believe they are harder workers other than to get their foot in the door in the first place. Once in and feeling more secure they ‘relax’ a bit more - it was always just a case of ‘wishful thinking’ for those with a left agenda.

[Ammi]

...not us staying over here and stealing all of their great work ethics.../...poor migrant people..

[Niamh.]

...not us staying over here and stealing all of their great work ethics.../...poor migrant people..

:laugh:

[user104658]

...not us staying over here and stealing all of their great work ethics.../...poor migrant people..

"I don't know what's wrong with me..." said our source, "I used to be up at 6am and the first one in to do a full days work. And I enjoyed it! But now, all I want to do is watch Netflix and argue with people on the internet. I haven't been to work for nearly 6 months, and in the last year my wife has had 3 children just for the Tax Credits. My boss hasn't even noticed my absence, because he's never there either... he left in the middle of the day to play Call of Duty and eat Doritos and hasn't come back."

[Crimson Dynamo]

"I don't know what's wrong with me..." said our source, "I used to be up at 6am and the first one in to do a full days work. And I enjoyed it! But now, all I want to do is watch Netflix and argue with people on the internet. I haven't been to work for nearly 6 months, and in the last year my wife has had 3 children just for the Tax Credits. My boss hasn't even noticed my absence, because he's never there either... he left in the middle of the day to play Call of Duty and eat Doritos and hasn't come back."

wait, how did you know they were teachers?

:suspect:

[Ammi]

"I don't know what's wrong with me..." said our source, "I used to be up at 6am and the first one in to do a full days work. And I enjoyed it! But now, all I want to do is watch Netflix and argue with people on the internet. I haven't been to work for nearly 6 months, and in the last year my wife has had 3 children just for the Tax Credits. My boss hasn't even noticed my absence, because he's never there either... he left in the middle of the day to play Call of Duty and eat Doritos and hasn't come back."

...it’s good that the migrants have better work ethics than you Scottish people, TS....we always knew those are the stories of your average working days...which is why we keep you Scotland../...so that you don’t integrate...we’ll have the migrants...but please Lord not the pesky Scottish and their game consoles...

[user104658]

...it’s good that the migrants have better work ethics than you Scottish people, TS....we always knew those are the stories of your average working days...which is why we keep you Scotland../...so that you don’t integrate...we’ll have the migrants...but please Lord not the pesky Scottish and their game consoles...

You joke (I think) Ammi but my ACTUAL 10 hour working day is literally about 2 hours of work, 1 hour of lunch, and 7 hours of ****ing about on TiBB and Imgur...

It's worse when you're in charge because there's no one to impress! Sometimes I pretend to be doing compliance stuff in the staff room but I'm actually watching "10 things you never noticed in the MCU!" on YouTube :(.

[jet]

Yeah, I think at first they work harder to make a good impression and to go further/earn more, just like most do when in a new job. Then just like most, migrant or not, over time they revert to their natural individual pace - there are hardworking migrants and hardworking British, and lazier migrants and lazier British.:shrug:

[user104658]

Yeah, I think at first they work harder to make a good impression and to go further/earn more, just like most do when in a new job. Then just like most, migrant or not, over time they revert to their natural individual pace - there are hardworking migrants and hardworking British, and lazier migrants and lazier British.:shrug:

Where are these hardworking new-starts? All the ones I get are utterly dire :fist:.

[Brillopad]

Yeah, I think at first they work harder to make a good impression and to go further/earn more, just like most do when in a new job. Then just like most, migrant or not, over time they revert to their natural individual pace - there are hardworking migrants and hardworking British, and lazier migrants and lazier British.:shrug:

I agree. From my experience being a hard worker has more to do with character and individual motive rather than nationality.

[Cherie]

That they're making an effort to integrate and pick up local traditions? :fan:

:joker:

[Cherie]

Where are these hardworking new-starts? All the ones I get are utterly dire :fist:.

Are they taking their lead from their role model manager :fan:

[arista]

...not us staying over here and stealing all of their great work ethics.../...poor migrant people..


They are saying
after March 2019
some migrants will leave.


So infact,
they may end up Very Poor with no Job or lower pay
back in the EU.

[jet]

Are they taking their lead from their role model manager :fan:

You beat me to it Cherie. :hee:

[Kazanne]

Like the UK workers you mean? cos that's what it says in the article, they now work just like their UK colleagues :hehe:

Yes ,exactly like some of them,there is lazy sods in all quarters.:hee:

[Cherie]

Let's face it people aren't stupid, if they see someone else doing less and being paid the same money or more! they will slow down

[arista]

Let's face it people aren't stupid, if they see someone else doing less and being paid the same money or more! they will slow down

Yes Logical
at their low level.

[Cherie]

Yes Logical
at their low level.

and hence why TS gets dire workers :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

with wives this tends to happen after 10 years

[Brillopad]

with wives this tends to happen after 10 years

With husbands - more like 10 months. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:oh:

[Tom4784]

No surprise really as it is only to be expected that those wanting to get work, and trying to make a good impression, will make an extra effort. Self interest is the key rather than being harder workers per se. Did anyone actually believe it was anything else!

Grr! How dare they work hard just for their own interest when the entirety of the British workforce are completely SELFLESS when it comes to work! Most months I turn to my employer and say 'Nope! I don't need to be paid this month, job satisfaction is enough to keep me going!'

[Ashley.]

Grr! How dare they work hard just for their own interest when the entirety of the British workforce are completely SELFLESS when it comes to work! Most months I turn to my employer and say 'Nope! I don't need to be paid this month, job satisfaction is enough to keep me going!'

:joker:

I mean of course they're going to try harder to impress... They're already at a disadvantage when it comes to employment. Through no fault of their own, might I add.

[Brillopad]

Grr! How dare they work hard just for their own interest when the entirety of the British workforce are completely SELFLESS when it comes to work! Most months I turn to my employer and say 'Nope! I don't need to be paid this month, job satisfaction is enough to keep me going!'

There you go - people coming in who want to stay have more to prove so they would work harder. It’s commonsense. When did I say self-interest was necessarily a negative thing. And where did I mention job satisfaction. I was just pointing out that it was to be expected in response to ridiculous claims that other nationalities work harder than the British per se. That is an easy claim to make - but not so easy to prove.

Do you actually believe Europeans work for nothing. If they work for low pay it’s because they choose to because they earn more here than at home. No it isn’t right for employers’ to take advantage of that - but it was still a decision people made to further their future opportunities. Eventually they expect it to pay off and gat paid the same as others once they have proved themselves. We would likely do the same if it was the other way round.

[Withano]

I wonder though... is it that they're putting in "extra" effort to make a good impression, or IS that their normal level, but then once they;ve been here a while our lack of work ethic starts to rub off on them? :joker:

So you could argue... it's just that they've become "more British" :hehe:.

Seems plausible. I think what Brits constitue as ‘unfit to work’ doesnt match up with most of the world. When these migrants start to work out that Jan from accounting took 3days off for having a bit of a cold, they’ll grow accustom to doing the same.

[Tom4784]

There you go - people coming in who want to stay have more to prove so they would work harder. It’s commonsense. When did I say self-interest was necessarily a negative thing. And where did I mention job satisfaction. I was just pointing out that it was to be expected in response to ridiculous claims that other nationalities work harder than the British per se. That is an easy claim to make - but not so easy to prove.

Do you actually believe Europeans work for nothing. If they work for low pay it’s because they choose to because they earn more here than at home. No it isn’t right for employers’ to take advantage of that - but it was still a decision people made to further their future opportunities. Eventually they expect it to pay off and gat paid the same as others once they have proved themselves. We would likely do the same if it was the other way round.

Umm, Brillo? That was the joke, dear.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if Is is terrorists migrants get less terrory after 2 years :think:

[Brillopad]

Seems plausible. I think what Brits constitue as ‘unfit to work’ doesnt match up with most of the world. When these migrants start to work out that Jan from accounting took 3days off for having a bit of a cold, they’ll grow accustom to doing the same.

You just appear to hate Brits. :shrug: The world is a very big place!

[Brillopad]

Umm, Brillo? That was the joke, dear.....

Oh no dear!

[Withano]

You just appear to hate Brits. :shrug: The world is a very big place!

Odd summary.

[kirklancaster]

"I don't know what's wrong with me..." said our source, "I used to be up at 6am and the first one in to do a full days work. And I enjoyed it! But now, all I want to do is watch Netflix and argue with people on the internet. I haven't been to work for nearly 6 months, and in the last year my wife has had 3 children just for the Tax Credits. My boss hasn't even noticed my absence, because he's never there either... he left in the middle of the day to play Call of Duty and eat Doritos and hasn't come back."

:joker: