Women wearing hijabs in beauty Pageants

[arista]

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This is a 19 year old


The BBC had another one in the UK
on their sloppy bbc breakfast show before 9AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5561777/Muslim-beauty-queen-Miss-England-contestant-wear-hijab.html
the UK one is aged 20



I guess they can be sexy

[jaxie]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.

[arista]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.


Yes for some
but the UK Lady aged 20 said
its a Charity backing her
and its all about how clever they are, as well

[Nicky91]

good for these beautiful women :love:

[arista]

good for these beautiful women :love:



Thats the Spirit
Nicky

[Crimson Dynamo]

just awful

[arista]

just awful


But will they Win it?

[Brillopad]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.

When it suits - as always. Sick to death of it and it is about time something was done about it in the West.

[Brillopad]

But will they Win it?

If they do it’s a political plan to make a point.

[ethanjames]

don't see what the issue is they look beautiful

[arista]

If they do it’s a political plan to make a point.


Yes it could be
but as a charity event
it would not be Up Top etc.

[arista]

don't see what the issue is they look beautiful


Yes Beautiful and Clever
then they can win.

[y.winter]

It's like that hair product ad that had a woman with a hijab covering her entire head :joker:

[arista]

It's like that hair product ad that had a woman with a hijab covering her entire head :joker:


Thats the idea

[jaxie]

don't see what the issue is they look beautiful

No one was making an issue were they?

[Kizzy]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.

The issue is apparent if you watch the vid.

[Withano]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.

Thats your interpretation, and your personal opinions on what you think is allowed based on your interpretation. The swimsuit round was covered in that video lol. Did you watch it?

[Withano]

But will they Win it?

If they do it’s a political plan to make a point.


This was also covered in that short video?! Did you watch it?!

[jaxie]

Thats your interpretation, and your personal opinions on what you think is allowed based on your interpretation. The swimsuit round was covered in that video lol. Did you watch it?

Er no it's not.

[Withano]

Er no it's not.

Lets be real here, Jaxie. You assumed it was a contradiction of her beliefs based on your incredibly narrow and short interpretation of what the hijab must mean to every single woman, including this one. You haven’t watched the video, what kind of discussion were you actually hoping for? :laugh:

[Brillopad]

This was also covered in that short video?! Did you watch it?!

Most of her was covered so how can she compete on an equal level - it is effectively cheating. She might have awful hair and a less attractive figure than the others - but how could anyone tell. On a physical level she is being judged on her face alone - whilst the others are being judged on other physical attributes too.

Never approved of the things anyway - but if they are competing and being judged they should do so on an equal playing-field.

[Withano]

Most of her was covered so how can she compete on an equal level - it is effectively cheating. She might have awful hair and a less attractive figure than the others - but how could anyone tell. On a physical level she is being judged on her face alone - whilst the others are being judged on other physical attributes too.

Never approved of the things anyway - but if they are competing and being judged they should do so on an equal playing-field.

Why did you quote me/that post in that rant?

[Brillopad]

Why did you quote me/that post in that rant?

What rant? Just pointed out that you can’t just dip your toe in the water or part sit an exam - it’s all or nothing otherwise it isn’t fair on the other contestants. More concessions for religion :rolleyes:

It’s called having your cake and eating it.

[Withano]

What rant? Just pointed out that you can’t just dip your toe in the water or part sit an exam - it’s all or nothing otherwise it isn’t fair on the other contestants. More concessions for religion :rolleyes:

It’s called having your cake and eating it.

I dont understand why you’ve chosen me to engage in this conversation with you.

Nither of us know how this competition is judged anyway, I can’t imagine either of us having much to add past our personal opinions and preconceptions of what makes a beauty pageant winner.

[Tom4784]

I don't have a problem with it, it's not like you can't see her face and the hijab would more likely go against her than serve as an advantage, which is quite a silly argument. As long as it's her choice, I don't see the issue with her wearing a scarf or choosing to remain covered in the swimwear section because that's her choice and it's one that probably didn't benefit her position in the competition in the long run.

[Cherie]

She is a beautiful girl, but I fail to see how she thought she could compete on a level playing field, if part of the criteria is you should your body in a swimsuit and obviously marks are awarded in this section.

It would be like a guy going into Mr Universe and refusing to show his muscles.

[jaxie]

Lets be real here, Jaxie. You assumed it was a contradiction of her beliefs based on your incredibly narrow and short interpretation of what the hijab must mean to every single woman, including this one. You haven’t watched the video, what kind of discussion were you actually hoping for? :laugh:

Oh you mean your narrow interpretation of what I am thinking. I forgot you think for me these days. Silly me.

[Brillopad]

I dont understand why you’ve chosen me to engage in this conversation with you.

Nither of us know how this competition is judged anyway, I can’t imagine either of us having much to add past our personal opinions and preconceptions of what makes a beauty pageant winner.

Was it you or was it not who accused me of not having watched the video and therefore not a valid opinion. :rolleyes:

[Withano]

Was it you or was it not who accused me of not having watched the video and therefore not a valid opinion. :rolleyes:

You responded to a post asking whether she can win as if you were unaware. I asked if you watched it, not for your rant on it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id need to see her in a swim suit before I can make any judgement

[Withano]

Oh you mean your narrow interpretation of what I am thinking. I forgot you think for me these days. Silly me.

You realise your original post spoke for millions of people, includig the pageant contestant herself haha.

[Withano]

People get angry when you call them out for not watching the video before making their minds up. Hmm.

[Brillopad]

You responded to a post asking whether she can win as if you were unaware. I asked if you watched it, not for your rant on it.

Don’t quote mine and I may not quote yours. If you do, judging by many of your previous responses, I likely will. Clear as I can be.

[Withano]

Don’t quote mine and I may not quote yours. If you do, judging by many of your previous responses, I likely will. Clear as I can be.

I’m fine with you quoting me, I was just confused why you quoted a specific post of mine to engage me in a discussion completely unrelated in the post. Its a bit weird.

[arista]

She is a beautiful girl, but I fail to see how she thought she could compete on a level playing field, if part of the criteria is you should your body in a swimsuit and obviously marks are awarded in this section.

It would be like a guy going into Mr Universe and refusing to show his muscles.


No it is not
only her hair is hidden

[arista]

Id need to see her in a swim suit before I can make any judgement


I am Sure they will do that LT

[Brillopad]

No it is not
only her hair is hidden

And her figure. I should imagine many of the women aren’t keen to do the swimsuit bit, like a piece of meat - so why should she be let off the hook! No-one forced her to enter so she competes properly or not at all.

[Tom4784]

It's a swimsuit section, not a bikini section, She could rock up in a scuba suit if she wanted and that would probably count.

Honestly Brillo, the whole 'SHE'S CHEATING' angle is quite irrational and nonsensical. Wearing a hijab and covering up for the Swimsuit section would count against her and if you actually watched the video you'd know that she didn't come close to winning.

Someone that's covered up in a beauty competition will not win against someone that's blonde, got a body like Jessica Rabbit and isn't shy about it. A girl wearing a hijab is not at an advantage, it's a disadvantage to cover up.

[arista]

And her figure. I should imagine many of the women aren’t keen to do the swimsuit bit, like a piece of meat - so why should she be let off the hook! No-one forced her to enter so she competes properly or not at all.


If that's the case
none will Win.

The 19 year year old in USA
would do swim gear
Not sure about the 20 year old UK Lady

[Brillopad]

It's a swimsuit section, not a bikini section, She could rock up in a scuba suit if she wanted and that would probably count.

Honestly Brillo, the whole 'SHE'S CHEATING' angle is quite irrational and nonsensical. Wearing a hijab and covering up for the Swimsuit section would count against her and if you actually watched the video you'd know that she didn't come close to winning.

Someone that's covered up in a beauty competition will not win against someone that's blonde, got a body like Jessica Rabbit and isn't shy about it. A girl wearing a hijab is not at an advantage, it's a disadvantage to cover up.

That depends on whose judging it and how far political stances gets in the way.

[Withano]

And her figure. I should imagine many of the women aren’t keen to do the swimsuit bit, like a piece of meat - so why should she be let off the hook! No-one forced her to enter so she competes properly or not at all.

Theres a photo of her swimsuit look alongside an explanation in the video. WHy are you still so vocal about it when you havent even watched it haha.

[Tom4784]

That depends on whose judging it and how far political stances gets in the way.

She didn't come close to winning, that's a fact that's stated in the video. I'm guessing, like I said before, someone blonde and buxom that looks good in a Bikini probably won, this contestant stood no chance by putting herself at a disadvantage by covering up.

[bots]

She is making a religious/political statement which has nothing to do with a beauty contest. I don't agree with the concept of beauty contests anyway and they are hardly mainstream events anymore so I would have thought other events would have been more appropriate

[arista]

She is making a religious/political statement which has nothing to do with a beauty contest. I don't agree with the concept of beauty contests anyway and they are hardly mainstream events anymore so I would have thought other events would have been more appropriate


Rare Events
times have changed
The British Lady aged 20
said its a charity event.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/30/11/4AB078CE00000578-5561777-image-a-30_1522405409342.jpg
it appears the 20 year old UK lady Maria Mahmood (she was on bbc am, before 9AM today)
has won something being a runner up.

[Maria is now looking ahead to the semi-finals, which will be held in Newark, Nottinghamshire, in July. ]

from DM link
first post

[Cherie]

No it is not
only her hair is hidden

My point was about the swimsuit section where it says in the clip she remained covered, what's the point entering if she is not going to follow the criteria for gaining marks

[Vicky.]

Not really seeing the issue with this

But I have a bit of a problem with beauty pageants in general tbh, but its a bit offtopic so I won't go into it here :laugh:

[Parmy]

She didn't come close to winning, that's a fact that's stated in the video. I'm guessing, like I said before, someone blonde and buxom that looks good in a Bikini probably won, this contestant stood no chance by putting herself at a disadvantage by covering up.

The swimsuit round is optional and can even be done by providing a photo for the judges, so it makes no difference.

[Niamh.]

Not really seeing the issue with this

But I have a bit of a problem with beauty pageants in general tbh, but its a bit offtopic so I won't go into it here :laugh:

same

[arista]

Its all positive
Not like the Old Days

It must inspire kids, at least Vicky?

Charity events now
and getting on mainstream TV news

[Oliver_W]

Someone in a hijab probably won't get very far unless there's an agenda behind the voting, so it's up to them if they wanna limit their chances:)

[arista]

Someone in a hijab probably won't get very far unless there's an agenda behind the voting, so it's up to them if they wanna limit their chances:)

For Sure
but she was on BBC AM news
because its new etc

[Oliver_W]

For Sure
but she was on BBC AM news
because its new etc

It's an "interesting" story, the news can run with it if they wish.

[Northern Monkey]

Meh who gives a s***.She’s never gonna win anyway unless it’s a mainly Muslim judging panel.No one else finds burkas attractive.Let her crack on.

[Northern Monkey]

This is an odd one because it's not the cloth on head but the teaching behind it that a woman is not modest unless she covers her hair, that her hair is somehow wanton. In which case isn't a beauty pageant wanton and immodest since it's about women's beauty and parading around to be admired? :shrug: So isn't that some sort of contradiction to the point of wearing the covering at all? I wonder how they do the swimsuit section.

This post just make me want Chinese food

[Mystic Mock]

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This is a 19 year old


The BBC had another one in the UK
on their sloppy bbc breakfast show before 9AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5561777/Muslim-beauty-queen-Miss-England-contestant-wear-hijab.html
the UK one is aged 20



I guess they can be sexy

I'm putting it out there and saying that it's not sexy.

There's a time and a place for a Hijab, and a beauty pageant isn't one of them imo.

[arista]

I'm putting it out there and saying that it's not sexy.

There's a time and a place for a Hijab, and a beauty pageant isn't one of them imo.


Thats OK
I assume its a new thing
but they have to Win it.
None have , as yet

[jaxie]

This post just make me want Chinese food

Now you've started me on a sweet and sour pork craving.

[Northern Monkey]

Now you've started me on a sweet and sour pork craving.

With Crispy Wantons :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

I'm putting it out there and saying that it's not sexy.

There's a time and a place for a Hijab, and a beauty pageant isn't one of them imo.

Oh come on, beauty doesn't have to be sexy. Well maybe it does for men!

[DemolitionRed]

She clearly wasn't worried about winning. She's the first hijab wearing woman to enter a beauty contest and why not?

Are we saying we shouldn't have Coptic Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims women in beauty pageants because their attire makes them ugly?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh come on, beauty doesn't have to be sexy. Well maybe it does for men!

Personally I don't find women wearing Hijabs sexy, it's just my preference.

I do however think that if she wants to wear the Hijab in a Beauty Pageant then go for it, if anything it will harm her chances at winning these events as it isn't mainstream.