Teen stabbed in London in broad daylight.

[Mystic Mock]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5587513/Horrifying-video-shows-Mile-End-stabbing-left-two-boys-15-hospital.html

Thank god I don't live in East London.:joker:

Thankfully the guy seems to be okay which is a good thing, that will scar him for life though sadly.

[arista]

Yes many youngsters carry strong kitchen knifes (all over England)
you can buy them in Poundland.
Age check on it.

[Oliver_W]

#SadiqKahn't

[RichardG]

honestly i used to want to live in london so much but now u couldn't pay me to live there. so many stabbings/acid attacks/general violence...

[Beso]

#SadiqKahn't

Nearly:idc:

[Cherie]

The Mayor is blaming police cuts, but stop and search was cut due to racial profiling now alot of people who spoke out against stop and search are arguing for its return, the Mayor has been very silent in the issue and hasn’t been to any of the areas where many of the crimes are taking place, and I haven’t seen him on any local news programme for weeks

[Beso]

The Mayor is blaming police cuts, but stop and search was cut due to racial profiling now alot of people who spoke out against stop and search are arguing for its return, the Mayor has been very silent in the issue and hasn’t been to any of the areas where many of the crimes are taking place, and I haven’t seen him on any local news programme for weeks

Theressa may stopped it. To appease people.

[arista]

The Mayor is blaming police cuts, but stop and search was cut due to racial profiling now alot of people who spoke out against stop and search are arguing for its return, the Mayor has been very silent in the issue and hasn’t been to any of the areas where many of the crimes are taking place, and I haven’t seen him on any local news programme for weeks


Of course he will,
But we at place now that
London Police Chief (C.Dick)
does not use Politics
at all.
So many kids have Knifes
Stop & Search find one - LOCK Them away for 5 years

Set a fecking Law

[Cherie]

Of course he will,
But we at place now that
London Police Chief (C.Dick)
does not use Politics
at all.
So many kids have Knifes
Stop & Search find one - LOCK Them away for 5 years

Set a fecking Law

Indeed, he has been completely toothless on this issue so far

[jaxie]

The Mayor is blaming police cuts, but stop and search was cut due to racial profiling now alot of people who spoke out against stop and search are arguing for its return, the Mayor has been very silent in the issue and hasn’t been to any of the areas where many of the crimes are taking place, and I haven’t seen him on any local news programme for weeks

The mayor is really quite conspicuously absent and it's really bad form I think. He should be speaking up, it's part of his job.

[Underscore]

I don't think blaming Sadiq Khan is entirely accurate. I don't think that either the Mayor or the Government could've stopped these events although the actions of both the Mayor and the Government are not helping knife crime.

[arista]

I don't think blaming Sadiq Khan is entirely accurate. I don't think that either the Mayor or the Government could've stopped these events although the actions of both the Mayor and the Government are not helping knife crime.


He must set a new Plan
no good using Politics first

The London Police chief has a new plan
for example
she went on every news yesterday and today

[Brother Leon]

honestly i used to want to live in london so much but now u couldn't pay me to live there. so many stabbings/acid attacks/general violence...

It’s nothing new though...

[bots]

knife crime has been common place for decades. Stop and search would help. Not sure what extra police would do if they can't stop and search people

[Crimson Dynamo]

disgusting place

just vile

[Cherie]

It’s nothing new though...

My son says that as well

[Cherie]

disgusting place

just vile

Glasgow has gang too :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Glasgow has gang too :nono:

its not the same

not even close

[AnnieK]

Every city is the same pretty much. I love Manchester but lots of violence here too

[Oliver_W]

knife crime has been common place for decades. Stop and search would help. Not sure what extra police would do if they can't stop and search people

yeah but remember stop and search is evil and horrid and racist, so we can't possibly have that

[Cherie]

its not the same

not even close

Population

London 8.5 million
Glasgow 600,000

[Cherie]

Every city is the same pretty much. I love Manchester but lots of violence here too

.

[kirklancaster]

I am hardly going to increase my popularity on here by posting this, but the truth is that this - suddenly newsworthy - phenomenon is both no surprise and far worse than the average man-in-the-street realises.

According to figure from the London Metropolitan Police and New York City Police Department to 'USA Today' magazine, London's murder rate in February 2018 of 15 deaths and 22 in March 2018 SURPASSED New York's for the first time and sadly for me, this WILL continue.

It is SHOCKING to learn from 'USA Today' that in 2017, there were TWICE as many murders in New York City than London but THIS year ALREADY the monthly murder rates are nearly the same.

Do NOT scream for my lynching (I HAVE been known to be CORRECT about a lot of uncomfortable facts on here before) but in my opinion, IMMIGRATION and WEAK Local and National Government - which have ALLOWED vitally important POLICIES to be dictated by Political Correctness INSTEAD of rational NEED - a general DEGENERATION in Society's standards, and a rising number of families, both Immigrant AND Indigenous, where the parents have increasingly poor parenting skills, are ALL key factors behind this rise in knife deaths, murder and violence in general.

'Gangs' have ALWAYS existed in London and other major UK cities, but Immigration has exacerbated the situation because many immigrant youths hail from war-torn and economically deprived countries where 'Life is Tough', 'Survival is Paramount', and 'weapons culture' is more prevalent due to less stringent policing and generations of exposure to violence.

Someone has already mentioned 'Stop and Search' on here, and though 'Stop and Search' WAS being abused by corrupt Police Officers who were misusing their powers to vent their own twisted prejudices, 'Stop and Search' WAS also a MUCH-NEEDED weapon in the fight against rapidly escalating 'Serious Crime' and INSTEAD of our cowardly Government succumbing to pressure from the Liberal/Left PC Lobby and scrapping 'Stop and Search', they SHOULD have instead WEEDLED OUT the corrupt Policemen who were abusing it and ensured that only decent, equitable and mature police carried it out FAIRLY .

This is one HUGE problem which is here to STAY, and though sometimes our young need protecting from THEMSELVES, it is the ADULTS who need EDUCATING if we are to at least CONTAIN this threat to society.

Over the past decades, a lot of Teachers have become more Liberal in their own attitudes towards discipline, but in addition, Political Correctness has seen them STRIPPED of a lot of their powers of AUTHORITY over the children in their care whilst we still impose RESPONSIBILITY for that care upon them, and Responsibility WITHOUT Authority is NEVER going to work.

The result is that children become more 'feral' less disciplined.

We NEED to restore POWERS to our Policemen, Teachers and other Professionals WHILST first diligently SCREENING and VETTING those professionals that they are 'Fit for Purpose', and we need to FORCE ALL parents to be responsible for their children WHILST EDUCATING them in the partly 'Lost Art' of parenting.

Finally, where real measures of Prevention have failed, then anyone found guilty of Murder, knife crime, Gun Crime, or any other type of Violent Crime, SHOULD be DEALT with no regard for any possible 'Back-Lash' from Politically Correct' bodies ONLY Punishment and Deterrent.

[user104658]

Sadly Kirk I also think the problem is so bad in certain areas of London (and other cities, but mainly London) that no amount of "good parenting" is guaranteed to help. Kids hit their teens and get swept up in it all and are lost to any parenting very quickly.

My advice to anyone living in one of these areas who have young kids that are so far protected from it? Would be... Leave. Just leave. If you're living in a deprived area then you can't possibly have any strong economic link to London so move your kids away from the city before it's too late.

[Oliver_W]

Don't underestimate the power of good parenting - one of the best measures for someone being successful in life and avoiding crime is whether or not they have two parents.

That's not to say all parents who stay together are good parents, or that people raised by two parents will always be massively successful and crime-free, but it's still one the best measures we have.

[Cherie]

Sadly Kirk I also think the problem is so bad in certain areas of London (and other cities, but mainly London) that no amount of "good parenting" is guaranteed to help. Kids hit their teens and get swept up in it all and are lost to any parenting very quickly.

My advice to anyone living in one of these areas who have young kids that are so far protected from it? Would be... Leave. Just leave. If you're living in a deprived area then you can't possibly have any strong economic link to London so move your kids away from the city before it's too late.

Sorry that's just silly I have two boys one still teen, one just out ..and they haven't been swept up in anything any more than 90 per cent of their peers

[Cherie]

Don't underestimate the power of good parenting - one of the best measures for someone being successful in life and avoiding crime is whether or not they have two parents.

That's not to say all parents who stay together are good parents, or that people raised by two parents will always be massively successful and crime-free, but it's still one the best measures we have.

100 per cent

[kirklancaster]

Sadly Kirk I also think the problem is so bad in certain areas of London (and other cities, but mainly London) that no amount of "good parenting" is guaranteed to help. Kids hit their teens and get swept up in it all and are lost to any parenting very quickly.

My advice to anyone living in one of these areas who have young kids that are so far protected from it? Would be... Leave. Just leave. If you're living in a deprived area then you can't possibly have any strong economic link to London so move your kids away from the city before it's too late.

I agree T.S. Once they have reached that certain age you are correct - it is already too late - and that's where PROPER sentencing should come in to force.

By the way, your suggestion about leaving is GREAT advice and though likely to provoke cries of 'economic affordability' from some as a reason why they can't leave, it HAS been done and CAN be done.

I would not think twice if it was me when my kids were younger.

[Cherie]

I agree T.S. Once they have reached that certain age you are correct - it is already too late - and that's where PROPER sentencing should come in to force.

By the way, your suggestion about leaving is GREAT advice and though likely to provoke cries of 'economic affordability' from some as a reason why they can't leave, it HAS been done and CAN be done.

I would not think twice if it was me when my kids were younger.

sorry from someone who lives in London (or at least just outside) this is completely hysterical

[Barry.]

Another one? Oh no :(.

[Cherie]

Another one? Oh no :(.

Lucky no one gets stabbed in Scotland eh?

[user104658]

Sorry that's just silly I have two boys one still teen, one just out ..and they haven't been swept up in anything any more than 90 per cent of their peersI didn't say "all of London" or "all of London and just outside London too" though did I Cherie? I quite clearly stated "certain areas of London". So there's no need to get defensive.

London is massive and has a population roughly the same as the whole of Scotland so of course some of it, or rather most of it, is totally fine for raising kids but certain areas present a huge risk of teenagers being caught up in dangerous situations.

[James]

Glasgow has gang too :nono:

its not the same

not even close

Every city is the same pretty much. I love Manchester but lots of violence here too

They showed a statistic on the news the other day which said Manchester and Glasgow have a higher murder rate than London.

[Cherie]

I didn't say "all of London" or "all of London and just outside London too" though did I Cherie? I quite clearly stated "certain areas of London". So there's no need to get defensive.

London is massive and has a population roughly the same as the whole of Scotland so of course some of it, or rather most of it, is totally fine for raising kids but certain areas present a huge risk of teenagers being caught up in dangerous situations.

Yes I am aware of the population in London given I live here :umm2: It's no different to inner Glasgow or inner any other big city in Scotland is it, so exorting everyone to leave inner cities isn't exactly feasible is it?

[Cherie]

They showed a statistic on the news the other day which said Manchester and Glasgow have a higher murder rate than London.

Doesn't surprise me, but no one is talking about that.....

[user104658]

Don't underestimate the power of good parenting - one of the best measures for someone being successful in life and avoiding crime is whether or not they have two parents.

That's not to say all parents who stay together are good parents, or that people raised by two parents will always be massively successful and crime-free, but it's still one the best measures we have.I personally think this is a prime example of the phrase "correlation does not necessarily imply causation" to be honest. It could be that "having both parents around" helps to stop kids going off the rails. But it could just as likely be down to the fact that factors that lead to single-parent families (I.e. Single girls getting pregnant when not in a relationship, or relationship breakdown) are the same factors that lead to juvenile crime and violence.

[user104658]

Yes I am aware of the population in London given I live here :umm2: It's no different to inner Glasgow or inner any other big city in Scotland is it, so exorting everyone to leave inner cities isn't exactly feasible is it?I wouldn't raise kids in certain areas of Glasgow either. And there are parts of Edinburgh that I wouldn't even drive through willingly. :shrug:.

[Cherie]

I wouldn't raise kids in certain areas of Glasgow either. And there are parts of Edinburgh that I wouldn't even drive through willingly. :shrug:.

Fair enough but it's not that simple that people pack up and go, they have families, work and housing so it needs sorting by the government not people upping sticks, I get what you mean but from a practical level it's not feasible

[bots]

Glasgow was the murder capital of europe for a long time. I grew up and lived there at that time, went to all the popular night spots, never had a problem, never saw a problem. These things tend to be very, very localised. It's not to say there isn't a problem, there is, but not compared to the miles of streets there are in any particular city.

Stop and search would surely improve things. New York has been very tough on crime, zero tolerance has ruled the day and it gets results. Do people have the courage to take the same approach here? I doubt it.

[Cherie]

Glasgow was the murder capital of europe for a long time. I grew up and lived there at that time, went to all the popular night spots, never had a problem, never saw a problem. These things tend to be very, very localised. It's not to say there isn't a problem, there is, but not compared to the miles of streets there are in any particular city.

Stop and search would surely improve things. New York has been very tough on crime, zero tolerance has ruled the day and it gets results. Do people have the courage to take the same approach here? I doubt it.

LT will be devastated :laugh:

[user104658]

Fair enough but it's not that simple that people pack up and go, they have families, work and housing so it needs sorting by the government not people upping sticks, I get what you mean but from a practical level it's not feasibleFamily (and friends) is the main tie for most people really... Work and housing not so much (like I said before, chances are if you're a young parent living in one of the problem areas, you're not economically tied to a career in the city).

I know someone who upped and left London as a single mum and getting housing etc. wasn't an issue. It's the moving away from the people and area you know and "starting over alone" thats the hard part for a lot of people, understandably enough.

[Barry.]

Lucky no one gets stabbed in Scotland eh?

Glasgow has it share of stabbings.

[michael21]

My son says that as well

I blame the parents :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

I personally think this is a prime example of the phrase "correlation does not necessarily imply causation" to be honest. It could be that "having both parents around" helps to stop kids going off the rails. But it could just as likely be down to the fact that factors that lead to single-parent families (I.e. Single girls getting pregnant when not in a relationship, or relationship breakdown) are the same factors that lead to juvenile crime and violence.

They equate to the same thing, and that is children raised by the aforementioned single girls don't end up as well as children with two parents.

[Brillopad]

They equate to the same thing, and that is children raised by the aforementioned single girls don't end up as well as children with two parents.

Where do I start with that! Many single parents, men and women, bring up their children well and many of those children go on to be successful. Many single parents are not uneducated sixteen 16 year olds but divorced educated women who provide a stable and loving home for their children.

Talk about stereotypes - and you were just trying to undermine another member for allegedly stereotyping Jewish men. Single ‘girls’ indeed - totally sexist remarks.

[Maru]

I am hardly going to increase my popularity on here by posting this, but the truth is that this - suddenly newsworthy - phenomenon is both no surprise and far worse than the average man-in-the-street realises.

According to figure from the London Metropolitan Police and New York City Police Department to 'USA Today' magazine, London's murder rate in February 2018 of 15 deaths and 22 in March 2018 SURPASSED New York's for the first time and sadly for me, this WILL continue.

It is SHOCKING to learn from 'USA Today' that in 2017, there were TWICE as many murders in New York City than London but THIS year ALREADY the monthly murder rates are nearly the same.

Do NOT scream for my lynching (I HAVE been known to be CORRECT about a lot of uncomfortable facts on here before) but in my opinion, IMMIGRATION and WEAK Local and National Government - which have ALLOWED vitally important POLICIES to be dictated by Political Correctness INSTEAD of rational NEED - a general DEGENERATION in Society's standards, and a rising number of families, both Immigrant AND Indigenous, where the parents have increasingly poor parenting skills, are ALL key factors behind this rise in knife deaths, murder and violence in general.

'Gangs' have ALWAYS existed in London and other major UK cities, but Immigration has exacerbated the situation because many immigrant youths hail from war-torn and economically deprived countries where 'Life is Tough', 'Survival is Paramount', and 'weapons culture' is more prevalent due to less stringent policing and generations of exposure to violence.

Someone has already mentioned 'Stop and Search' on here, and though 'Stop and Search' WAS being abused by corrupt Police Officers who were misusing their powers to vent their own twisted prejudices, 'Stop and Search' WAS also a MUCH-NEEDED weapon in the fight against rapidly escalating 'Serious Crime' and INSTEAD of our cowardly Government succumbing to pressure from the Liberal/Left PC Lobby and scrapping 'Stop and Search', they SHOULD have instead WEEDLED OUT the corrupt Policemen who were abusing it and ensured that only decent, equitable and mature police carried it out FAIRLY .

This is one HUGE problem which is here to STAY, and though sometimes our young need protecting from THEMSELVES, it is the ADULTS who need EDUCATING if we are to at least CONTAIN this threat to society.

Over the past decades, a lot of Teachers have become more Liberal in their own attitudes towards discipline, but in addition, Political Correctness has seen them STRIPPED of a lot of their powers of AUTHORITY over the children in their care whilst we still impose RESPONSIBILITY for that care upon them, and Responsibility WITHOUT Authority is NEVER going to work.

The result is that children become more 'feral' less disciplined.

We NEED to restore POWERS to our Policemen, Teachers and other Professionals WHILST first diligently SCREENING and VETTING those professionals that they are 'Fit for Purpose', and we need to FORCE ALL parents to be responsible for their children WHILST EDUCATING them in the partly 'Lost Art' of parenting.

Finally, where real measures of Prevention have failed, then anyone found guilty of Murder, knife crime, Gun Crime, or any other type of Violent Crime, SHOULD be DEALT with no regard for any possible 'Back-Lash' from Politically Correct' bodies ONLY Punishment and Deterrent.

I have to agree with this, particularly the bold. In places like Japan, for example, very high discipline and very low crime. And yet the areas, particularly the metros... quite dense... Part of the reason I moved back to the South is because the culture is more "it takes a village mentality" and discipline is still important (none of that environment+social constructionist nonsense).

I think immigration is fine if it's ideologies are fairly compatible, but I don't think that makes those peoples non-negotiable. It can add to our culture instead of rub up against it... but I think that open borders polices are naive, even for the most accepting of people. I think what crime it brings in really depends on how they are being immigrated (for politic reasons is a very bad reason...), so simply just needs thorough screening... those peoples tend to spread to different locales, which I think really helps to speed up the transition process.

Stop & Search isn't as much of an issue here as it is in places where gun laws are more restrictive, more police is always the answer. Totally different culture. People here don't have to be as hysterical about their self-protection I think. It's amazing the difference between places with that culture and not... I think people here take their safety more seriously, actually try to be more self-aware, etc. Not at all hysterical... whereas I think in northeast where I was staying, I heard a lot more complaints and hysteria... the govt/establishment/popular party of the day, it's their fault. They should fix it, it's not my job, etc.

No, no matter what your govt does and the policies it sets, your safety is in your own hands... sadly, crime will always be a part of life. Just a fact. Nothing in life can be guaranteed and while enacting laws helps, it won't stop a smooth criminal... but individually we can all make it more difficult.

Also +1 moving away if you have to because... I moved cross-country twice with virtually no money... so yeah :laugh: I packed everything in my suitcase the first time @19 and that was all I needed. Material things can always be re-bought... they're not that important in the grand scheme of things.

[Maru]

Don't underestimate the power of good parenting - one of the best measures for someone being successful in life and avoiding crime is whether or not they have two parents.

That's not to say all parents who stay together are good parents, or that people raised by two parents will always be massively successful and crime-free, but it's still one the best measures we have.

Funny that, I was raised with two parents... my single mother and a very strict grandmother. :laugh: Can't say I really ever wanted for a dad for structure as strict as my early years were... it probably would've been a complete overkill...

[Mystic Mock]

yeah but remember stop and search is evil and horrid and racist, so we can't possibly have that

Weren't there complaints because black people were getting stopped and searched more than white or Asian people?

Here's a link https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest

[Beso]

Weren't there complaints because black people were getting stopped and searched more than white or Asian people?

Here's a link https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest

Catch 22.

The areas of london this is happening are predominantly black or asian areas.

They mustnt have brought it in up in scotland or the numbers would have been better.

[Mystic Mock]

Catch 22.

The areas of london this is happening are predominantly black or asian areas.

They mustnt have brought it in up in scotland or the numbers would have been better.

I don't have much an opinion on it tbh as I don't really have much knowledge on the subject.

But I'll take your word for it.

[Oliver_W]

Funny that, I was raised with two parents... my single mother and a very strict grandmother. :laugh: Can't say I really ever wanted for a dad for structure as strict as my early years were... it probably would've been a complete overkill...
I think two dads or two moms would fit the bill fine, and evidently a mom and a grandmother can be perfect in some cases :)

Where do I start with that! Many single parents, men and women, bring up their children well and many of those children go on to be successful. Many single parents are not uneducated sixteen 16 year olds but divorced educated women who provide a stable and loving home for their children.

Talk about stereotypes - and you were just trying to undermine another member for allegedly stereotyping Jewish men. Single ‘girls’ indeed - totally sexist remarks.
Chill yer beans. Should I have thrown in a HASHTAG NOT ALL to make it clear that it doesn't refer to every single case? The "single girls" thing was just repeating what the member I quoted had said, using their own example.

Weren't there complaints because black people were getting stopped and searched more than white or Asian people?

Here's a link https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest
Sure there were complaints, but if knife crime has risen since stop and search was ended, then perhaps the complaints should have been filed under B for Bin.

[DemolitionRed]

We still have stop and search police patrolling London.

The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sadiq-khan-stop-search-london-crime-plan-violence-police-metropolitan-stabbings-acid-murder-moped-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-his-20s-killed-in-london-stabbing-11317084

He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions.

May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent.

Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010

[Oliver_W]

She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.

[DemolitionRed]

To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.

Yes there is but do you think more police officers are needed in certain parts of London?
Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?

[Oliver_W]

Yes there is but do you think more police officers are needed in certain parts of London?
Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?

We should have more police on the streets, particularly in certain areas of East and South London, with stop and search powers, complaints be damned.

[Brillopad]

We still have stop and search police patrolling London.

The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sadiq-khan-stop-search-london-crime-plan-violence-police-metropolitan-stabbings-acid-murder-moped-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-his-20s-killed-in-london-stabbing-11317084

He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions.

May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent.

Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010


Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

[Cherie]

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

Good point.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?

[DemolitionRed]

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

And how will that resolve the issue. Yes? we can all just use blame and do nothing or we can do something.



There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!


There you go, you just sorted out the problem all on your own. Well done you!!


This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

Once again... sorted.

[DemolitionRed]

So any suggestions for trying to solve this problem?

[Brillopad]

And how will that resolve the issue. Yes? we can all just use blame and do nothing or we can do something.



There you go, you just sorted out the problem all on your own. Well done you!!



Once again... sorted.

Maybe it would be if people did not keep refusing to address the real problem rather than jumping on their political bandwagon at every opportunity and diverting attention away from the real issues.

So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime, that comes from our taxes, rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place - not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC.

[DemolitionRed]

Good point.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?

I haven't read that he visited the places where the people where murdered but, much as I don't like Khan, he has been very vocal about rising crime in London. He brought about a significant increase in 'stop and search' in January of this year. He's targeted specific areas in London with extra policing and video cameras and he's heavily criticized central government for demanding the police prop up their spending with their council tax allowance.

Sadiq Khan has probably been the most pro-active contributor in all of this mess and so I refuse to hang draw and quarter him if he didn't visit the places where these people were murdered.

[Livia]

The Mayor is blaming police cuts, but stop and search was cut due to racial profiling now alot of people who spoke out against stop and search are arguing for its return, the Mayor has been very silent in the issue and hasn’t been to any of the areas where many of the crimes are taking place, and I haven’t seen him on any local news programme for weeks

It's an area fraught with PC landmines. The majority of these stabbings are black on black crime and everyone's frightened to be the first to stick their head above the parapet. Something's got to be done, but all communities need to stand with the police on this, and I'm sure the black community want an end to the madness. I think the only way to tackle this kind of thing is more police, particularly black police, and much better schools in poorer areas. That means much more money into the Police and education than the Prime Minister is willing to give.

[DemolitionRed]

Maybe it would be if people did not keep refusing to address the real problem rather than jumping on their political bandwagon at every opportunity and diverting attention away from the real issues.

You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.


So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime

It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

that comes from our taxes.

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.

rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place.

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?
not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC.
Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

[DemolitionRed]

It's an area fraught with PC landmines. The majority of these stabbings are black on black crime and everyone's frightened to be the first to stick their head above the parapet. Something's got to be done, but all communities need to stand with the police on this, and I'm sure the black community want an end to the madness. I think the only way to tackle this kind of thing is more police, particularly black police, and much better schools in poorer areas. That means much more money into the Police and education than the Prime Minister is willing to give.

:clap1:

[Livia]

You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.



It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?

Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

You mean the Human Rights Act, rushed through parliament for Cherie Blair by her old man. Any idea how much money the Blairs have made out of that Act? And it's been used ever since in this country to uphold the rights of murderers, paedos and various other scumbags who only seem to understand the rights of the human when it applies to them. If it wasn't so abused, it wouldn't be so ridiculed.

[Brillopad]

You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.



It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?

Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

It has everything to do with it if we continue allowing known foreign criminals and murderers absconding from justice in their own counties to seek safe haven here. Then instead of locking up such dangerous men we release them to commit crimes in our country and pose a considerable threat to others because a British judge ruled our prisons were too over-crowded and cells too small to accommodate him comfortably. Do you really believe he will suddenly become a model citizen whilst in our country! He will undoubtedly need a lot of policing as will others who decide to follow his lead.

Realistic and reasonable human rights are here to stay, as they should be, but the ridiculous ones such as those mentioned above can be discarded once we leave the EU along with such criminals themselves who we would not have to have here in the first place.

[DemolitionRed]

And there was me believing lawyers spent their careers enforcing human rights!!

So lets look at The Human Rights Act. An act that had to conform with EU legislation. Clearly this terrible act is not all to do with criminals.

The right to life.
The prohibition of torture and inhuman treatment.
Protection against slavery and forced labour.
The right to liberty and freedom unless you commit a criminal act.
The right to a fair trial and no punishment without law.
Respect for privacy and family life and the right to marry.
Freedom of thought, religion and belief.
Free speech and peaceful protest.
No discrimination.
Protection of property: protects against state interference with your possessions.
The right to an education.
The right to free elections.

[user104658]

The right to flea erections.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9949438]You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.

^ I've read and re-read Brillo's post and NOWHERE in the excerpt which you have quoted and responded to above does it give you ANY justification for drawing the above conclusions which you have.*

It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

^ ^ Do you mean 2010, when the INEPT, UNSCRUPULOUS, SELF-SEEKING GLUTTONOUS PIGS which was the OUTGOING LABOUR Government had LIAM BYRNE leave a handwritten note to his successor saying:*

"‘Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam.’ "

Meaning the NATION'S COFFERS were EMPTY.*

The cavalier smug BASTARD.*

Do you mean THEN?*

WHEN the Coalition was faced with the impossible task of RUNNING this Labour-Decimated country WITH NO MONEY?*

Are you referring to the cuts in the Policing Budget which Cameron was FORCED to make as part of sweeping cutbacks to try to ARREST the damage LABOUR had wreaked upon the Country?*

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.


^**You are FOREVER telling other intelligent, well-read, well-informed, and literate members WHAT you DECREE that they DON'T know and how MUCH you DO know - on just about EVERY subject under the Sun.*

So PLEASE do us ALL a favour and YOU PROVE to US just what you DO know instead of merely telling us that you know it.*

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?


^ Again, there is NOTHING in that part of Brillo's post which you have quoted and responded to which JUSTIFIES your conclusions above.

Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

^ NO ONE objects to Human Rights, only THE MASSIVE ABUSE by UNSCRUPULOUS lawyers and SUBVERSIVE ORGANISATIONS which take advantage of the ludicrous drafting of the WORDING of the Act to allow MURDERERS and TERRORISTS and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and FOREIGN CRIMINALS to ESCAPE PROPER JUSTICE for their CRIMES.*

And it is WITHOUT EXCEPTION bleeding-heart Liberal and Left Wing BRITISH SOFTIES which SUPPORT these subversives and thereby ALLOW the Act to be ABUSED.*

Think of the Lord Longford type as he was with Myra 'Nice Reformed Girl' Hyndley - You'll get the picture.

As for Brillo's point about the 'little cell' you have OBVIOUSLY MISSED that point.

If Political Correctness AND the abuse of THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT did not make life so EASY for prisoners then the DETERRENT element of a Prison Sentence just MIGHT have some positive effect on RISING CRIME.

/QUOTE]

[kirklancaster]

The right to flea erections.

:joker::joker::joker: I LURVE YOU you nutter. :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/08/police-cuts-likely-contributed-to-rise-in-violent-leaked-report-reveals
Government cuts to the police “may have encouraged” violent offenders and have “likely contributed” to a rise in serious violent crime, leaked Home Office documents have revealed.

The documents cast doubt on claims by the home secretary, Amber Rudd, on Sunday that cuts to the police were not to blame for rising violence.

The Home Office said it would not comment on leaked documents.

[DemolitionRed]

The right to flea erections.

hehe!

[Mystic Mock]

If there is cuts being made to the Police then sadly I do think that it makes it easier for people to commit crimes as they think that they'll get away with it sadly.

I think that we need more Prisons built as well so that criminals aren't being let out on the streets again because our Prisons are "full."