Disney princesses being gay, promiscuous etc

[Cal.]

There’s a lot of talk and hope that Disney begins bringing out Disney princesses that are gay, promiscuous, transgender etc to move times along. A lot of people oppose this with the argument that this sort of thing should be kept out of children’s films and be tackled once they get older. I’m just looking for everybody on here’s opinions on it really, are you open to it or do you not think it should happen? And I’m not just talking about Disney princesses here if you want to bring other children’s films and TV into it, it’s just Disney princesses are the most obvious example.

[Cherie]

Disney is aimed at pre teens, there is an PG rating on films for a reason, how are Disney going to get around the PG Certificate with bed hopping Princesses
Trangender and homosexuality can be dealt with in kids films yes.

[Withano]

It should happen. Wtf not? Queen Elsa being lesbian in the next movie would be a cute addition.

[Oliver_W]

Disney is aimed at pre teens, there is an PG rating on films for a reason, how are Disney going to get around the PG Certificate with bed hopping Princesses, trangender and homosexuality can be dealt with in kids films yes.

Princesses who are traps or bedhoppers is a bit inappropriate, but if the romance between two princesses were to be treated exactly as one between a prince and princess, where's the harm?

[Underscore]

We shouldn't be feeding kids heteronormative stories because that's one of the contributing factors to kids growing up thinking it should only be a man and a woman.

An LGBT couple here and there wouldn't be bad for Disney and it most certainly wouldn't be bad for kids.

[jaxie]

Good question Cal. Personally I think things should be age appropriate, particularly the Disney brand, and I don't think sexuality and promiscuity are really appropriate subjects for small children. Transgender I think is too confusing and too little known about it to start promoting it in children's movies.

I think we live in a climate where most people can be accepting without having to push subjects relating to sexuality on small children.

I think the teen market in relation to movies and children's literature is where such subjects should drift in.

[Cherie]

Princesses who are traps or bedhoppers is a bit inappropriate, but if the romance between two princesses were to be treated exactly as one between a prince and princess, where's the harm?

No harm at all I was responding to the promiscuous aspect, I already said transgender and homosexuality can be addressed.

[Withano]

Good question Cal. Personally I think things should be age appropriate, particularly the Disney brand, and I don't think sexuality and promiscuity are really appropriate subjects for small children. Transgender I think is too confusing and too little known about it to start promoting it in children's movies.

I think we live in a climate where most people can be accepting without having to push subjects relating to sexuality on small children.

Heterosexuality has been an appropriate subject for small children with Disney since forever? I dont understand that part of your argument?

[Livia]

Disney is aimed at pre teens, there is an PG rating on films for a reason, how are Disney going to get around the PG Certificate with bed hopping Princesses
Trangender and homosexuality can be dealt with in kids films yes.

I have nothing to add...

[jaxie]

We shouldn't be feeding kids heteronormative stories because that's one of the contributing factors to kids growing up thinking it should only be a man and a woman.

An LGBT couple here and there wouldn't be bad for Disney and it most certainly wouldn't be bad for kids.

That isn't really true. We didn't have stories in our very young childhood that covered sexuality and promiscuity and most people I know are perfectly fine with same sex relationships.

I think if sexuality were introduced into a fairytale then it would need to be very carefully done. Children should not be force fed sex, love is a different matter entirely.

[Underscore]

That isn't really true. We didn't have stories in our very young childhood that covered sexuality and promiscuity and most people I know are perfectly fine with same sex relationships.

I think if sexuality were introduced into a fairytale then it would need to be very carefully done. Children should not be force fed sex, love is a different matter entirely.

I wasn't referring to sex though, I was referring to for example having a couple that were a man + man, woman + woman, man + woman.

Just a little variation you know, I know my parents never sat me down and said to me LGBT was a thing. I learned it all myself eventually, but I think definitely in these learning stages it would be good to have this light level stuff.

[jaxie]

Heterosexuality has been an appropriate subject for small children with Disney since forever? I dont understand that part of your argument?

Because heterosexuality is not promoted as an issue. All children, until they start growing us in labs, have a mother and a father. That's just a fact.

[Beso]

How will they be able to show that a princess was actually a bloke in a previous life?

Ive yet to see one that doesn't look exactly like a lady.

[Underscore]

Because heterosexuality is not promoted as an issue. All children, until they start growing us in labs, have a mother and a father. That's just a fact.

So? Doesn't mean kids should not be told that LGBT is a thing?

What is wrong with two princes or two princesses?

[Lostie!]

LGBT characters absolutely would be a great step. Promiscuity would be inappropriate for a kids movie though.

[Withano]

Because heterosexuality is not promoted as an issue. All children, until they start growing us in labs, have a mother and a father. That's just a fact.

Would homosexuality be promoted as an issue?


I think you’re overthinking it haha. It would be the exact same disney story but the guy marries the guy, or the girl kisses the girl (etc) at the end.

[Withano]

Just researched in to it a bit, and theres already been a gay kiss on one of the Disney star wars films

[jaxie]

I think if you look at the little robber girl and Gerda in the snow queen for instance, I think there are some references to same sex relationships in some stories.

Star wars is aimed at a slightly older demographic and is much more appropriate.

[Amy Jade]

How will they be able to show that a princess was actually a bloke in a previous life?

Ive yet to see one that doesn't look exactly like a lady.

A flashback into their childhood perhaps? Lot's of Disney movies have those.

[Eddie.]

I’m here for LGBT princesses, especially a Transgender/Lesbian one, but no to the princesss being promiscuous...

[Withano]

I think if you look at the little robber girl and Gerda in the snow queen for instance, I think there are some references to same sex relationships in some stories.

Star wars is aimed at a slightly older demographic and is much more appropriate.

How old do you have to be to see an onscreen heterosexual romance?
How old do you have to be to see an onscreen homosexual romance?

[Amy Jade]

Wasn't there a gay kiss in Star vs. The Forces of Evil and Good Luck Charlie on Disney Channel too?

[Amy Jade]

https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2017/03/same-sex-kiss.jpg?w=838

The two in the bottom right look like two guys also imo

[Withano]

Wasn't there a gay kiss in Star vs. The Forces of Evil and Good Luck Charlie on Disney Channel too?

44Pp3ZLimaw two nameless characters in a crowd of kissers, when will queen elsa

Also two lesbians top right https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/kiss1.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

I reckon for older kids cool but i’d say Disney would be too young tbh.They’re usually a ‘U’ rating i think which means kids of any age can go.Depending on the age of the kids many parents won’t have had that conversation with their kids yet.

[Tom4784]

Homosexuality isn't something that should be age restricted, it's not inherently dirtier than a hetero relationship and it's not going to be in any way shape or form more explicit. You can tell a chaste love story between two people of the same sex just as well as you can tell a chaste hetero love story.

I'd be all for a gay princess but I don't think it's too likely to ever happen especially now Hollywood is learning that diversity doesn't always equal profits. At best we might get a nod to it in Frozen 2 but Elsa will never have a girlfriend, they'll just keep her on her own rather than pair her up with anyone else.

Trans issues require a more intricate story to tell, many adults don't fully understand it so to cover it in a good way for children would be difficult. I imagine Disney won't touch that hot button because they'll risk upsetting both sides of the coin. People will be mad that they included trans issues and others will be made if it's not done in the way they want it.

Having a slutty prince or princess is really not needed tbh.

[arista]

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[Smithy]

I reckon for older kids cool but i’d say Disney would be too young tbh.They’re usually a ‘U’ rating i think which means kids of any age can go.Depending on the age of the kids many parents won’t have had that conversation with their kids yet.

The point is there’s no difference between two men/women kissing or a man and a woman kissing, theres no “conversation” to be had

[Oliver_W]

I wonder if Hollywood would be able to treat it just like another romance, or if they'd act like it's a big deal. Being LGBT is inconsequential, and if the matter is shown in a film it should be treated as such.

Just as long as a creepy weirdo like the presenter of Queer Kid Stuff on youtube isn't consulted, it could be okay.

[Jamie89]

Homosexuality isn't something that should be age restricted, it's not inherently dirtier than a hetero relationship and it's not going to be in any way shape or form more explicit. You can tell a chaste love story between two people of the same sex just as well as you can tell a chaste hetero love story.

I'd be all for a gay princess but I don't think it's too likely to ever happen especially now Hollywood is learning that diversity doesn't always equal profits. At best we might get a nod to it in Frozen 2 but Elsa will never have a girlfriend, they'll just keep her on her own rather than pair her up with anyone else.

Trans issues require a more intricate story to tell, many adults don't fully understand it so to cover it in a good way for children would be difficult. I imagine Disney won't touch that hot button because they'll risk upsetting both sides of the coin. People will be mad that they included trans issues and others will be made if it's not done in the way they want it.

Having a slutty prince or princess is really not needed tbh.

This. I think with the trans stuff they'd just have to not make it political. Maybe have a trans character shown to exist and just treated normally, but yeah nothing to do with 'trans issues', we can't even figure all that stuff out ourselves never mind try and communicate it to kids :laugh:

[Withano]

Wasnt the character from inside out bigender, or gender-fluid or something?

[Withano]

Rileys Mom had all-female emotions
http://thedisneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/inside-out-mom.jpg

Rileys dad had all-male emotions
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/f/f3/Inside-Out-Father-Headquarters.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141219005417

Riley had both genders http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/227/Inside-out.jpg

I’m pretty sure Disney has been trying to get these more taboo things in for years now

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a no from me

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/22/09/478211B200000578-5205197-image-a-17_1513933658175.jpg

[Jamie89]

Rileys Mom had all-female emotions
http://thedisneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/inside-out-mom.jpg

Rileys dad had all-male emotions
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/f/f3/Inside-Out-Father-Headquarters.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141219005417

Riley had both genders http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/227/Inside-out.jpg

I’m pretty sure Disney has been trying to get these more taboo things in for years now

Riley's a unisex name too so all of that probably isn't a coincidence. I haven't actually seen it though.

[Withano]

Riley's a unisex name too so all of that probably isn't a coincidence. I haven't actually seen it though.

I think its overrated tbh, but yeh, seems deliberate.

[ethanjames]

ofc I think if I grew up knowing what homosexuality was through film (especially Disney films as I was obsessed with them as a kid)it would take me a lot less time to accept who I was. I don't think people understand how much a media presence can help a child understand differences. theres a reason kids as a whole are far more accepting of homosexuality than they were a few years ago as they are told its okay. its better for it to be explained than be ignored right off

[Jamie89]

The only reason I can think of why it would be inappropriate is if people think it would encourage kids to be gay, but surely in 2018 we've moved on from the 'being gay is a choice' way of thinking?

[Brillopad]

The point is there’s no difference between two men/women kissing or a man and a woman kissing, theres no “conversation” to be had

People can have whatever conversation with their kids they choose - it isn’t your call.

[Toy Soldier]

Gay / ambiguous sexuality or transgender is fine, why not?

I think I'd draw the line at them snorting coke and shagging anything that moves, though :joker:.

[Niamh.]

Gay / ambiguous sexuality or transgender is fine, why not?

I think I'd draw the line at them snorting coke and shagging anything that moves, though :joker:.Cinderellaid

[Firewire]

Let them shag!

[Jamie89]

Genuine question but what even is 'the conversation'? If it's just about gay people existing (nothing to do with sex) I don't understand what the conversation would involve?

[Toy Soldier]

CinderellaidBonederella :joker:

[Oliver_W]

Hoe White?

[Toy Soldier]

Sleeping Beauty: A Lesson In Consent

[Oliver_W]

Sleeping Beauty: A Lesson In Consent

Oh god, that sounds like it could be a real article on some trash site like Jezebel or Hustler

[montblanc]

Homosexuality isn't something that should be age restricted, it's not inherently dirtier than a hetero relationship and it's not going to be in any way shape or form more explicit. You can tell a chaste love story between two people of the same sex just as well as you can tell a chaste hetero love story.

I'd be all for a gay princess but I don't think it's too likely to ever happen especially now Hollywood is learning that diversity doesn't always equal profits. At best we might get a nod to it in Frozen 2 but Elsa will never have a girlfriend, they'll just keep her on her own rather than pair her up with anyone else.

Trans issues require a more intricate story to tell, many adults don't fully understand it so to cover it in a good way for children would be difficult. I imagine Disney won't touch that hot button because they'll risk upsetting both sides of the coin. People will be mad that they included trans issues and others will be made if it's not done in the way they want it.

Having a slutty prince or princess is really not needed tbh.

:clap1:

[montblanc]

i don't have a problem with people sleeping around (while practicing safe sex) but i would still consider that as more of an adult topic so i don't think we need a promiscuous prince/princess :skull:

[Toy Soldier]

There could be a promiscuous gay version of Cinderella, except instead of a glass slipper, the Prince swabs a sample of cum from his arsehole and goes on a quest to match the DNA.

[Oliver_W]

There could be a promiscuous gay version of Cinderella, except instead of a glass slipper, the Prince swabs a sample of cum from his arsehole and goes on a quest to match the DNA.

ShaneJ and India Willoghby to play the Ugly Stepsisters?

[Cherie]

There could be a promiscuous gay version of Cinderella, except instead of a glass slipper, the Prince swabs a sample of cum from his arsehole and goes on a quest to match the DNA.

Bloody hell :joker:

[Shaun]

There could be a promiscuous gay version of Cinderella, except instead of a glass slipper, the Prince swabs a sample of cum from his arsehole and goes on a quest to match the DNA.

Sullen Girl: The Cinderella Story

[montblanc]

Sullen Girl: The Cinderella Story

:laugh2:

[jaxie]

The only reason I can think of why it would be inappropriate is if people think it would encourage kids to be gay, but surely in 2018 we've moved on from the 'being gay is a choice' way of thinking?

As was said by someone else I think there are parents who would find it difficult to explain topics relating to sexuality to a five year old. It's not necessarily an implication they'd feel the relationship inappropriate more that many parents aren't ready to talk about relationships of any kind with very young children.

[Oliver_W]

As was said by someone else I think there are parents who would find it difficult to explain topics relating to sexuality to a five year old. It's not necessarily an implication they'd feel the relationship inappropriate more that many parents aren't ready to talk about relationships of any kind with very young children.

Rather than talking about relationships, they should make it about families - "some children have two mummies, and some have two daddies".

[jaxie]

Rather than talking about relationships, they should make it about families - "some children have two mummies, and some have two daddies".

That is kind of talking about relationships though. :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

That is kind of talking about relationships though. :shrug:
It's all about the framing. "Timmy from playgroup has two dads", that places it in a context they can relate more to, than "the man down the road fancies other men"

[Ammi]

Homosexuality isn't something that should be age restricted, it's not inherently dirtier than a hetero relationship and it's not going to be in any way shape or form more explicit. You can tell a chaste love story between two people of the same sex just as well as you can tell a chaste hetero love story.

I'd be all for a gay princess but I don't think it's too likely to ever happen especially now Hollywood is learning that diversity doesn't always equal profits. At best we might get a nod to it in Frozen 2 but Elsa will never have a girlfriend, they'll just keep her on her own rather than pair her up with anyone else.

Trans issues require a more intricate story to tell, many adults don't fully understand it so to cover it in a good way for children would be difficult. I imagine Disney won't touch that hot button because they'll risk upsetting both sides of the coin. People will be mad that they included trans issues and others will be made if it's not done in the way they want it.

Having a slutty prince or princess is really not needed tbh.

...yeah really what Dezzy has said with this...sexuality isn’t an age restricted thing...the age restriction I think...is more ..(..depending on age..)...the level of a child’s understanding, which would be the same no matter what the sexuality involved...small children ‘live’ gay relationships from a very young age...it might be their own parents, another child or children at pre-school or younger primary school etc...so I think ‘early introduction’ is a good thing ...especially to prevent any prejudice and intolerance etc...’my daddy’ and ‘my papa’ for instance are just as easily explained as ‘my mommy’ and ‘my daddy’....because it’s the concept of a family unit that’s being explained...as with single parents as well...Children live different family unit dynamics, from birth they live them...so I think seeing what they live or what their friend lives ...or someone they know etc..in something like Disney..?...would be a good thing, I think....

[Ammi]

ShaneJ and India Willoghby to play the Ugly Stepsisters?

...would that be stepsisters or stepcisters I wonder...

[Maru]

A Disney Movie about drag queens... I could see it.

[Maru]

Honestly, looking at older cartoons, there were a lot of subtle creepy/darker themes in them... so it's not like it's outside the ballpark for Disney to include LGBT characters (and in some ways, they've always pioneered the challenging of traditional roles). It's just doing it in a way that is not cliche'd that is actually new, unique and inventive... that would be the biggest challenge I think, to not end up with gimmicks... there is supposed to be a lot of depth to Disney stories... and that's what most people enjoy about them, is how relatable and yet how deep their storylines are... something that all children can connect with at a very basic level

[Kazanne]

There’s a lot of talk and hope that Disney begins bringing out Disney princesses that are gay, promiscuous, transgender etc to move times along. A lot of people oppose this with the argument that this sort of thing should be kept out of children’s films and be tackled once they get older. I’m just looking for everybody on here’s opinions on it really, are you open to it or do you not think it should happen? And I’m not just talking about Disney princesses here if you want to bring other children’s films and TV into it, it’s just Disney princesses are the most obvious example.

Let children be children , they grow up soon enough,with enough pressures on them today,I don't see why the Disney films need to change at all,they are fairy stories and fantasy in the main , childhood has an innocence with it,it would be nice to keep that for as long as possible,there is plenty of time and other movie genrer's that can bring out that sort of thing. No need to bring sexuality into everything.

[lostalex]

Disney is already Gay AF, What is more gay than Disney anyway? i think it makes sense that Disney embraces how gay they are. How many straight people do you know over 12 that love Disney?

I still have crushes on Prince Eric and Aladdin.

[Nicky91]

Sullen Girl: The Cinderella Story

:laugh2: :laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Disney is already Gay AF, What is more gay than Disney anyway? i think it makes sense that Disney embraces how gay they are. How many straight people do you know over 12 that love Disney?

I still have crushes on Prince Eric and Aladdin.

I know Sullen Girl would like to get Alladin

[Kazanne]

I know Sullen Girl would like to get Alladin

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Nicky91]

''alladin'' it's Aladdin ;) :joker:

[Kazanne]

''alladin'' it's Aladdin ;) :joker:

It was a joke Nicki and the way LT spelt it was correct for the joke, :laugh:A-lad-in

[armand.kay]

here for aa disney prince on PrEP

[Oliver_W]

It was a joke Nicki and the way LT spelt it was correct for the joke, :laugh:A-lad-in

Well, the double-L makes it still incorrect for the joke :p

[Oliver_W]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX43k6BVQAASTVd.jpg
Degeneracy.

[Ninastar]

Slutty princesses/princesses with STDs? Wtf no lmao

LGBT princess/prince? Here for that. Kids need to see what it’s like to be LGBT from a young age, so that they can be more accepting when they are older

Although having said that, kids are the most accepting people in the world anyway. Ignorance is taught and can be changed. Kids from my experience just want to love everyone anyway.

[Tom4784]

As was said by someone else I think there are parents who would find it difficult to explain topics relating to sexuality to a five year old. It's not necessarily an implication they'd feel the relationship inappropriate more that many parents aren't ready to talk about relationships of any kind with very young children.

It wouldn't be any different to any Disney film that ends with a prince and princess getting together though, it's not going to confuse them, it'll normalise the fact that some people are gay.

[Toy Soldier]

I honestly think it's interesting that Elsa could easily be gay as no interest in anyone at all was implied in the first Frozen film. Which is quite "progressive" for Disney in itself... Having a main character with ZERO hint of a romantic subplot. They potentially seem to be heading more in that direction as, despite having both a female and male lead, there was no hint of a romance storyline in Moana either, again going with a more "sibling-like" vibe.

[Tom4784]

Let children be children , they grow up soon enough,with enough pressures on them today,I don't see why the Disney films need to change at all,they are fairy stories and fantasy in the main , childhood has an innocence with it,it would be nice to keep that for as long as possible,there is plenty of time and other movie genrer's that can bring out that sort of thing. No need to bring sexuality into everything.

The bolded points are problematic.

If you don't have a problem with the prince and princess living happily ever after then you can't take issue with two princes or two princessses having that same ending. Sexuality is an issue that affects kids, some kids are gay, why can't they have representation? Why is any sexuality that isn't heterosexuality seen as not appropriate for kids? It's the idea again that being gay is seen as being this overtly sexual thing that's only suitable for older audiences and it's a terrible attitude to have.

Like I said in my first post, you can portray a chaste homosexual relationship just as well as a chaste hetero relationship.

There is no real excuse against it really, the representation can go a long way in helping children feel accepted instead of feeling like they are inherently wrong.

[Vicky.]

I honestly think it's interesting that Elsa could easily be gay as no interest in anyone at all was implied in the first Frozen film. Which is quite "progressive" for Disney in itself... Having a main character with ZERO hint of a romantic subplot. They potentially seem to be heading more in that direction as, despite having both a female and male lead, there was no hint of a romance storyline in Moana either, again going with a more "sibling-like" vibe.
I quite liked that..so many Disney films seem to be about romances so I enjoyed having one that had no hint of that stuff. So it kind of annoys me a bhit that since there was no love interest, people seem determined to introduce a love interest :laugh:

Haven't seen Moana. But I would love it if more and more films stopped being about the pretty little princess doing nothing really but trying to find Prince Charming. Just seems so..old fashioned.
Disney is already Gay AF, What is more gay than Disney anyway? i think it makes sense that Disney embraces how gay they are. How many straight people do you know over 12 that love Disney?

I still have crushes on Prince Eric and Aladdin.

Aladdin was my first crush :D Wasn't til like a couple of years ago I fopund out hes meant to look like Tom Cruise..

The only reason I can think of why it would be inappropriate is if people think it would encourage kids to be gay, but surely in 2018 we've moved on from the 'being gay is a choice' way of thinking?
Well yeah..you cannot encourage someone to be gay. Transgender characters though, it really really would depend how they handled it as kids can be convinced they are trans just because of stereotypical crap. I think with trans pressure groups heading into schools to tell 5 year old kids that they may be trans if they like stuff associated with the opposite sex..we need no more of that nonsense.


Like others, I think its inappropriate for the characters in disney films to be promiscuous. Just no need at all. And I would prefer if they left Elsa alone as just a woman who does not fawn over the handsome prince or whatever. refreshing change, and hopefully more are made that way. but other characters..theres no reason at all for not having gay/bi ones. Just not my Elsa :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

I quite liked that..so many Disney films seem to be about romances so I enjoyed having one that had no hint of that stuff. So it kind of annoys me a bhit that since there was no love interest, people seem determined to introduce a love interest [emoji23]

Haven't seen Moana. But I would love it if more and more films stopped being about the pretty little princess doing nothing really but trying to find Prince Charming. Just seems so..old fashioned.

Well Frozen does still have the romance plot with Anna but its supposed to subvert the usual Disney tropes, too, as her "Prince Charming" turns out to be the villain, and she ends up with a "normal guy" instead.

Moana has no romance plot at all, it's just Moana herself and Maui, who is an immortal demi-god, sort of similar to the Aladdin/Genie relationship if anything. Except he doesn't really want to help her [emoji23].

Its a good film though, I genuinely recommend it :joker:. I mean, The Rock sings in it. You can't ask for much more.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I do like how Moana and Elsa both eschew romance all together as well.

I think it's time for a gay princess or prince though, representation and normalisation can save lives.

[Vicky.]

My daughter is constantly playing some song from it on youtube and it pisses me off so much..its not the rock though, unless hes squeezing his balls to sound like a helium robot or something :D

[Maru]

My daughter is constantly playing some song from it on youtube and it pisses me off so much..its not the rock though, unless hes squeezing his balls to sound like a helium robot or something :D

Get your cool daughter to read every TiBB post out to you in Helium Robot (it sounds like a font)... could be funny