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Kizzy
08-04-2018, 01:25 AM
Who are this new party... From where did they receive their 50 million in funding?!!
Smells fishy to me backed by tory donors but targeting the left leaning?
To me it's yet another attempt as UKIP was to split the vote and keep the tories in power.
'A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”, the Observer can reveal.
The movement, spearheaded by a former Labour benefactor, is understood to have been drawn up by a group frustrated by the tribal nature of politics, the polarisation caused by Brexit and the standard of political leadership on all sides. It appears to have a centrist policy platform that borrows ideas from both left and right.
Senior figures from the worlds of business and charity are understood to be involved, as well as former supporters of the main parties, including a number of former Tory donors.
Sources say the project, led by the multi-millionaire philanthropist and founder of LoveFilm, Simon Franks, has had full-time staff members for as long as a year. Initial discussions are said to have begun at the end of 2016. Franks has set up a company, Project One Movement for the UK, which is likely to be the vehicle for the enterprise.
Some of those involved have apparently been keen for the project to concentrate on funding community activism, rather than becoming a formal political party. A final decision has not yet been taken, but there is said to be a consensus that the movement will run candidates at the next election, due in 2022, should the current parties be deemed to be failing. Some form of political movement could be launched later this year.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
Northern Monkey
08-04-2018, 01:33 AM
Smells like a conspiracy.Someone call David Icke.
But seriously.Can’t this be a good thing?A good thing for all those voters who’ve been left with nowhere to go after the commies took over Labour and who can’t stand the Tories.
Do we want to live under a two party system forever.
They possibly might have something good to say?
Smells like a conspiracy.Someone call David Icke.
But seriously.Can’t this be a good thing?A good thing for all those voters who’ve been left with nowhere to go after the commies took over Labour and who can’t stand the Tories.
Do we want to live under a two party system forever.
They possibly might have something good to say?
:thumbs: Sounds promising to me...
Brillopad
08-04-2018, 08:09 AM
Smells like a conspiracy.Someone call David Icke.
But seriously.Can’t this be a good thing?A good thing for all those voters who’ve been left with nowhere to go after the commies took over Labour and who can’t stand the Tories.
Do we want to live under a two party system forever.
They possibly might have something good to say?
I agree. It is certainly far too early to assume the worst. This country is crying out for more choice and a third party could be just what it needs. But until we know more about it - people, policies etc we can only speculate. But in theory it is a step in the right direction.
Crimson Dynamo
08-04-2018, 08:15 AM
Sounds like a good idea
chuff me dizzy
08-04-2018, 08:16 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
A former LABOUR benefactor is tipping up the cash :joker::joker:
Finally, some new names to slag off.
jaxie
08-04-2018, 08:57 AM
Sounds like a great idea to me. It might finally be something for those of us in the centre who feel we have no political home.
Not sure why the OP thinks it a Tory plot since it states it's spear headed by a former Labour benefactor. :shrug:
Mystic Mock
08-04-2018, 09:05 AM
Smells like a conspiracy.Someone call David Icke.
But seriously.Can’t this be a good thing?A good thing for all those voters who’ve been left with nowhere to go after the commies took over Labour and who can’t stand the Tories.
Do we want to live under a two party system forever.
They possibly might have something good to say?
I don't mind having more parties on offer either.
I get where Kizzy is coming from, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if they have got good policies.
arista
08-04-2018, 09:09 AM
Yes we get this ever few years.
FECKING Simon Franks must Put UP
or Give UP
There is no room for them , Kizzy
arista
08-04-2018, 09:11 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
A former LABOUR benefactor is tipping up the cash :joker::joker:
All kinds are
but its not enough Cash
to build a Proper Parliamentary Party.
UKIP took many years to grow.
Is The another SDP????
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 01:46 PM
Well this is the Labour view, wonder what the govt think?... Wouldn't a new party have to account for 'donations'? it's odd how the benefactors in the original article are reported as tory donors and in this one labour.... hmmm
Even more strange is I posted this at 2am but the linked article says it was uploaded at 9.30am :/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/08/a-daft-waste-of-time-labour-pours-scorn-on-new-centrist-party
user104658
08-04-2018, 05:16 PM
If it is a Tory ploy to split votes then it's a crap one, because at this point a centrist party is as likely to siphon off Tory votes as it is Labour votes :shrug:. Could be another Tory own goal, much like the 2017 GE.
GiRTh
08-04-2018, 05:23 PM
A new party always seems to be a watered down version of the better traits of the other parties.
arista
08-04-2018, 05:27 PM
If it is a Tory ploy to split votes then it's a crap one, because at this point a centrist party is as likely to siphon off Tory votes as it is Labour votes :shrug:. Could be another Tory own goal, much like the 2017 GE.
No its not
But its still not a proper party
yet.
Only Time Will Tell.
kirklancaster
08-04-2018, 05:33 PM
If it is a Tory ploy to split votes then it's a crap one, because at this point a centrist party is as likely to siphon off Tory votes as it is Labour votes :shrug:. Could be another Tory own goal, much like the 2017 GE.
If it is a GENUINE 'Centrist' Party, then it can have MY vote, because I am peed off with the Government on a lot of policy decisions but can NEVER EVER think about voting Labour again while ever Corbyn and his like-minded cronies run the party.
jaxie
08-04-2018, 06:08 PM
If it is a GENUINE 'Centrist' Party, then it can have MY vote, because I am peed off with the Government on a lot of policy decisions but can NEVER EVER think about voting Labour again while ever Corbyn and his like-minded cronies run the party.
Likewise Kirk. Unless they are all pro remain of course. Then I couldn't go there.
Credible competition for votes is surely a good thing. Given that the lib dems and ukip are now finished as political forces for the foreseeable future an alternative is surely welcome, and if it keeps the main 2 party's on their toes, all the better.
smudgie
08-04-2018, 06:44 PM
Credible competition for votes is surely a good thing. Given that the lib dems and ukip are now finished as political forces for the foreseeable future an alternative is surely welcome, and if it keeps the main 2 party's on their toes, all the better.
I agree totally.
We need another party, one people can feel is worth voting for.
I will settle for just left of centre or just right of centre.
kirklancaster
08-04-2018, 06:48 PM
Likewise Kirk. Unless they are all pro remain of course. Then I couldn't go there.
Same here Jaxie.
kirklancaster
08-04-2018, 06:49 PM
Credible competition for votes is surely a good thing. Given that the lib dems and ukip are now finished as political forces for the foreseeable future an alternative is surely welcome, and if it keeps the main 2 party's on their toes, all the better.
Good post BOTS - I agree.
Under our system it's very hard for a new party to make any real impact, look at how Ukip were getting a huge number of votes in 2015 but ended up with only one MP. Best hope really is to persuade a few sitting MPs to defect who might then be voted back in under the new party
DemolitionRed
08-04-2018, 07:42 PM
If it is a Tory ploy to split votes then it's a crap one, because at this point a centrist party is as likely to siphon off Tory votes as it is Labour votes :shrug:. Could be another Tory own goal, much like the 2017 GE.
I think it probably is a Tory ploy. If it splits the vote three ways but then forms a coalition with the Tories they can get rid of the DUP and carry on as normal.
Its called 'Renew' and it does want to remain in the EU and I believe most of the Tories want that too but don't have the courage come out with it.
'Tory ploy', oh please. Why do people look for conspiracies in everything when there is literally nothing to suggest it
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 08:21 PM
'Tory ploy', oh please. Why do people look for conspiracies in everything when there is literally nothing to suggest it
Because anything is possible to keep the left from getting in power... that's why. If you don't believe that fine nobody is forcing you to are they? :/
hijaxers
08-04-2018, 08:24 PM
If it is a GENUINE 'Centrist' Party, then it can have MY vote, because I am peed off with the Government on a lot of policy decisions but can NEVER EVER think about voting Labour again while ever Corbyn and his like-minded cronies run the party.
Exactly my feelings but i still want out !
Because anything is possible to keep the left from getting in power... that's why. If you don't believe that fine nobody is forcing you to are they? :/
You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it
AnnieK
08-04-2018, 08:31 PM
If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo
Brillopad
08-04-2018, 08:33 PM
If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo
People do like their conspiracy theories though. :hehe:
user104658
08-04-2018, 08:44 PM
If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties.
Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 08:45 PM
You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it
Mock me all you like I couldn't give a toss.
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 08:46 PM
People do like their conspiracy theories though. :hehe:
Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...
Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?
New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that
Brillopad
08-04-2018, 08:57 PM
Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...
Do you believe that no-one could ever accuse you of baiting Kizzy?
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 09:12 PM
New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that
Were they really that different though?..
Were they really that different though?..
Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since
kirklancaster
08-04-2018, 09:22 PM
Under our system it's very hard for a new party to make any real impact, look at how Ukip were getting a huge number of votes in 2015 but ended up with only one MP. Best hope really is to persuade a few sitting MPs to defect who might then be voted back in under the new party
^ I agree with this too.
user104658
08-04-2018, 09:23 PM
Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it sinceWell yes but that's what I mean. Labour steered heavily center from their position on the left to appeal to borderline Tories whilst not alienating too many Labour supporters and thus, New Labour.
Labour is heading left again, we are a decade into Tory rule again, and to break that scenario there needs to be that "Labour-Tory-Lite" option... But it's increasingly seeming that another Labour shift to the center is unlikely this time round, and thus, a "New Party" is needed to fill that position.
kirklancaster
08-04-2018, 09:24 PM
If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo
:clap1::clap1::clap1: A GREAT post Annie - FULL of common sense.
Kizzy
08-04-2018, 09:26 PM
Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since
Yes they did, I voted new labour having lived through the warmongering and the privatisation that happened during the blair years I don't feel they were a million miles from tories... I want a gulf away from them.
DemolitionRed
08-04-2018, 09:35 PM
Were they really that different though?..
Blair was so far right he literally said, "People should vote Tory" just prior to the last election.
This new party sounds like its collecting a lot of disgruntled Conservative members and right leaning Labour members. https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/91872/moderate-tory-mps-could-join-breakaway-party-if-right
Well yes but that's what I mean. Labour steered heavily center from their position on the left to appeal to borderline Tories whilst not alienating too many Labour supporters and thus, New Labour.
Labour is heading left again, we are a decade into Tory rule again, and to break that scenario there needs to be that "Labour-Tory-Lite" option... But it's increasingly seeming that another Labour shift to the center is unlikely this time round, and thus, a "New Party" is needed to fill that position.
Right but it was a change that came from within Labour, it might have appealed to some wavering Tory voters but I don't think there was any Tory involvement at the heart of it
DemolitionRed
08-04-2018, 09:39 PM
And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.
DemolitionRed
08-04-2018, 09:44 PM
Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".
user104658
08-04-2018, 09:50 PM
Right but it was a change that came from within Labour, it might have appealed to some wavering Tory voters but I don't think there was any Tory involvement at the heart of itI suppose, but I personally think "Tory" has a subtly different definition to "Conservative". There are Tories in the Labour Party. There are even non-Tories in the Conservative party :worry:.
Brillopad
08-04-2018, 10:16 PM
And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.
I wouldn’t bet on it. And Corbyn was supposed to be so anti-EU! He may just change his mind AGAIN.
Brillopad
11-04-2018, 07:10 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/10/tony-blairs-son-has-links-to-possible-new-british-centrist-party
A disappointing development.
kirklancaster
11-04-2018, 07:19 AM
Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".
It is all fine now for Labourites to 'distance' themselves from crook Blair but it did not stop all those Labour Supporters from voting for him and his Party 3 times then - INCLUDING myself ONCE to my eternal shame.
For a party to have at its heart a pro eu stance at this point is simply stupid. Democracy voted for us to leave the EU, we will have left the EU before the next election, so their key pledge is worthless. It's a non starter. We will have whatever relationship with the EU as is agreed between ourselves and them on exit. End of story.
Edit: Just to say, I voted remain, but I respect democracy. I would never give my vote to a party that tries to change that decision, and I know I am not alone.
jaxie
11-04-2018, 10:39 AM
I read this morning Blair is heavily involved in the new party. Immediate turn off.
Brillopad
11-04-2018, 10:50 AM
I read this morning Blair is heavily involved in the new party. Immediate turn off.
Exactly. If the knowledge of that won’t Kill it off - I don’t know what will.
user104658
11-04-2018, 12:41 PM
I read this morning Blair is heavily involved in the new party. Immediate turn off.I did say it was New Labour 2.0 :hee:. When are people going to learn to listen to me :nono:.
I did say it was New Labour 2.0 :hee:. When are people going to learn to listen to me :nono:.
Sorry, did you say something?:shrug:
jaxie
11-04-2018, 01:54 PM
I did say it was New Labour 2.0 :hee:. When are people going to learn to listen to me :nono:.
Is it cold in hell yet? :hehe: But seriously you are often worth listening to, except when you are making snide remarks! Then it's just a shutdown like the words Tony Blair.
arista
11-04-2018, 02:26 PM
I read this morning Blair is heavily involved in the new party. Immediate turn off.
Yes Blair the Warmonger is busy as hell.
But the Boss Simon Franks
has the sense to keep him
in a back room or something.........................
This so called New Political Party needs a Good Name
thats the key.
arista
11-04-2018, 02:27 PM
I did say it was New Labour 2.0 :hee:. When are people going to learn to listen to me :nono:.
perfect sub name
TS
jaxie
11-04-2018, 02:53 PM
Yes Blair the Warmonger is busy as hell.
But the Boss Simon Franks
has the sense to keep him
in a back room or something.........................
This so called New Political Party needs a Good Name
thats the key.
Yeah but warmongering aside one of the things that concerns me about that is Tony Blair is the voice for let's ignore the democracy and stay in the EU anyway. Which leads me to think this whole group will be of those leanings.
arista
11-04-2018, 02:59 PM
Yeah but warmongering aside one of the things that concerns me about that is Tony Blair is the voice for let's ignore the democracy and stay in the EU anyway. Which leads me to think this whole group will be of those leanings.
But the LibDem's have that Mantra
they are a Real Party , still.
user104658
11-04-2018, 03:26 PM
This so called New Political Party needs a Good Name
thats the key.
Blair's Boyz.
WAIT, NO...
Tony's Tigers :laugh2:
Everyone was all positive about this new party until it turned out it might be pro-EU. I thought it probably would be as that's where the biggest void in British politics is, what might any other new party be able to offer that isn't already covered by the established parties?
user104658
11-04-2018, 05:38 PM
Everyone was all positive about this new party until it turned out it might be pro-EU. I thought it probably would be as that's where the biggest void in British politics is, what might any other new party be able to offer that isn't already covered by the established parties?
A compassionate center is what's missing for me. A sensible centrist party that understands the need to support, rather than punish, those on low incomes and the disabled.
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