Donald Trump tells Russia to 'get ready' for Syria airstrikes

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-donald-trump-tells-russia-to-get-ready-for-syria-airstrikes-11326296

Russia has said they will shoot down the USA Missiles
bring it on.
I assume it may happen at night time,

[DONALD J. TRUMP TWITTER feed
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia,
because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!”
You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
11:57 AM - Apr 11, 2018]

[Oliver_W]

Why risk rocking the boat with Russia over conflicts in the Middle East?

[Livia]

Why risk rocking the boat with Russia over conflicts in the Middle East?

We're involved in that conflict. You have to risk rocking the boat when children are being hit with chemical weapons and Assad and Putin are lying about it. Just like Putin lied about the Salisbury attack.

Twelve members of the UN Security Council called for an investigation into the use of chemical weapons in Syria. All agreed, except Russia, who vetoed it. The UK's Permanent Representative to the UN has said that by vetoing this, Russia has crossed the line in the international order.

Russia needs to be confronted, and it is being confronted.

[arista]

The Syrian planes
are being moved into the Russian base in Syria,
So by time a Missile Attack goes down
what the feck will it Hit?


Re: All Out Politics Part 1 SkyNewsHD. today

[arista]

Also
THE PM is not calling Parliament back.
It returns officially on monday
so a attack would be before then.

France Macron Leader is with the Trump attack.

Back in 2013 the the PM Cameron
wanted to bomb the Syria leader
as it was a Bigger Chemical attack , then.
The New Labour Leader Miliband - Blocked it, the Fool
The USA then also gave gave up.

[Northern Monkey]

Donald Trump’ll be nice and safe in his underground bunker eating chips ‘n’ dips getting his nob sucked while we’re all getting vapourised.

[arista]

Donald Trump’ll be nice and safe in his underground bunker eating chips ‘n’ dips getting his nob sucked while we’re all getting vapourised.


For Sure
N.M

[Maru]

Why risk rocking the boat with Russia over conflicts in the Middle East?

Part of me wonders if it's to distract from the Russia investigation or to toughen his image. I wouldn't normally think that way, but he is fairly obsessed with his image... so I wonder if it's just words.

I wouldn't necessarily mind something being done about Syria/Russia though.

[Tom4784]

Can you remember when people called Hillary, Killary, and said that Trump wasn't interested in war?

[bots]

We in the west have a duty to respond to any use of chemical weapons. We want support when it happens to us, so we must equally do all we can to prevent it's use elsewhere. Chemical weapons usage is not a new thing in Syria, they were told about it before. It's not like they didn't know the consequences. Trump may not have the correct motives for his actions, he is right none the less.

[Maru]

We in the west have a duty to respond to any use of chemical weapons. We want support when it happens to us, so we must equally do all we can to prevent it's use elsewhere. Chemical weapons usage is not a new thing in Syria, they were told about it before. It's not like they didn't know the consequences. Trump may not have the correct motives for his actions, he is right none the less.

Yes :love:

I don't know enough about the politics between US<->Russia<->Syria to know what the best approach would be... but if we're already there, we're already involved and we can do something to help them... we should continue to I think.

[Northern Monkey]

I been making threads about this for years.I knew this shiz would happen.Whoever the Preso was.It was guaranteed.

[Maru]

Can you remember when people called Hillary, Killary, and said that Trump wasn't interested in war?

Tbf Obama turned a new leaf when he got into office in terms of his stance on military action. He was very much courting the anti-war crowd during his first campaign.

I think that's pretty common actually. Presidents always talk about what we shouldn't be doing with our foreign policy... but once they're in office, I think they meet with advisers or they get different picture of things given they have far better access to intelligence and information than what the public has... so it's possible that that could've change their minds.

[arista]

Can you remember when people called Hillary, Killary, and said that Trump wasn't interested in war?


But this another One Off Attack due
he does not want a War
he has his own troubles

He can Not Bomb
the Russian section in Syria,

[Northern Monkey]

Lets hope Russia doesn’t decide to lob a few of those new hypersonic missiles our way that they created to counter Obamas missile defence systems all over the eastern border and Pacific

[arista]

We in the west have a duty to respond to any use of chemical weapons. We want support when it happens to us, so we must equally do all we can to prevent it's use elsewhere. Chemical weapons usage is not a new thing in Syria, they were told about it before. It's not like they didn't know the consequences. Trump may not have the correct motives for his actions, he is right none the less.

Yes but UK Labour leader is against any attack.
So no Mandate.


USA and France are ready to attack

[Northern Monkey]

Tbf Obama turned a new leaf when he got into office in terms of his stance on military action. He was very much courting the anti-war crowd during his first campaign.

I think that's pretty common actually. Presidents always talk about what we shouldn't be doing with our foreign policy... but once they're in office, I think they meet with advisers or they get different picture of things given they have far better access to intelligence and information than what the public has... so it's possible that that could've change their minds.

Obama carried out more drone strikes in his first year than Bush did ever.

[arista]

Lets hope Russia doesn’t decide to lob a few of those new hypersonic missiles our way that they created to counter Obamas missile defence systems all over the eastern border and Pacific


Russia
claims it will shoot down any big USA Missiles.
Thats from last night

[Twosugars]

you could argue the merits of intervention in syria back then or now both ways
some don't believe the narrative that assad and russia would risk a chemical attack when they're actually winning the civil war. there are plenty of other actors involved who could do that, but that's neither here nor there as it can't be proved atm

I'd love for russia to get tought a lesson, but any military confrontation between us-russia has a potential to cause wider conflict. especially with putin and trump in charge.

[bots]

Russia
claims it will shoot down any big USA Missiles.
Thats from last night

and pigs might fly :laugh:

It's as though people aren't aware of the term propaganda :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Donald Trump’ll be nice and safe in his underground bunker eating chips ‘n’ dips getting his nob sucked while we’re all getting vapourised.

:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Just hope Russia doesn’t airstrike the destroyer that’s launching these “smart” missiles

[arista]

you could argue the merits of intervention in syria back then or now both ways
some don't believe the narrative that assad and russia would risk a chemical attack when they're actually winning the civil war. there are plenty of other actors involved who could do that, but that's neither here nor there as it can't be proved atm

I'd love for russia to get tought a lesson, but any military confrontation between us-russia has a potential to cause wider conflict. especially with putin and trump in charge.


Its Trump against Syrian Leader
he does not want to get into a Russian Attack
but Russia has alot on Syrian waters and ground to fire back at any big USA missile

So it maybe Live on CNN HD tonight, our time.

[arista]

[Jeremy Corbyn demands Commons vote on Syria action]
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-commons-vote-on-syria-airstrikes-11326596

[Underscore]

I agree with air strikes but is it enough to stop the evil Russians and Assad regime?

[Maru]

I agree with air strikes but is it enough to stop the evil Russians and Assad regime?

It wouldn't "stop" the Russians, but it may make it more difficult for them to establish a stronghold in that territory, and that could be very beneficial for the US and it's allies. I guess the benefits, as far as military goes, would be strategic there ... Syria, on the other hand, their people have begging outsiders for help for a while now... but I would imagine that we would have to topple the Assad regime in order to put an end to it... the public support in the US for that is very low, but I guess if more news got out about all that is/was happening in that region, people would be more sympathetic because we would be putting an end to what Assad had been doing to his own people... I honestly think it could go either way...

[Twosugars]

Russia is already established in Syria, they have an exclusive agreement to turn one of Syria's ports into its naval base.

[LaLaLand]

I commend him for not giving a sh!t and coming straight out with it. It's too far gone to pussyfoot around Syria, something radical needs to be done, as much as it concerns me.

Do I think Twitter is the right platform to do it on though?.... No.

[Brillopad]

We in the west have a duty to respond to any use of chemical weapons. We want support when it happens to us, so we must equally do all we can to prevent it's use elsewhere. Chemical weapons usage is not a new thing in Syria, they were told about it before. It's not like they didn't know the consequences. Trump may not have the correct motives for his actions, he is right none the less.

I agree.

[arista]

PM calls special Cabinet meeting to approve UK action in Syria

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-calls-special-cabinet-meeting-to-approve-uk-action-in-syria-11326833

Without Parliament
Not Wise.

If those brief videos are fake
then Isis get their wish.
By now you would think a Real News (CNN , BBC or SkyNews) could get in there,
but no.

[kirklancaster]

We in the west have a duty to respond to any use of chemical weapons. We want support when it happens to us, so we must equally do all we can to prevent it's use elsewhere. Chemical weapons usage is not a new thing in Syria, they were told about it before. It's not like they didn't know the consequences. Trump may not have the correct motives for his actions, he is right none the less.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

It wouldn't "stop" the Russians, but it may make it more difficult for them to establish a stronghold in that territory, and that could be very beneficial for the US and it's allies. I guess the benefits, as far as military goes, would be strategic there ... Syria, on the other hand, their people have begging outsiders for help for a while now... but I would imagine that we would have to topple the Assad regime in order to put an end to it... the public support in the US for that is very low, but I guess if more news got out about all that is/was happening in that region, people would be more sympathetic because we would be putting an end to what Assad had been doing to his own people... I honestly think it could go either way...

This is another insightful post, Maru. Food for thought.

[kirklancaster]

PM calls special Cabinet meeting to approve UK action in Syria

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-calls-special-cabinet-meeting-to-approve-uk-action-in-syria-11326833

Without Parliament
Not Wise.

If those brief videos are fake
then Isis get their wish.
By now you would think a Real News (CNN , BBC or SkyNews) could get in there,
but no.

What can be done about all this 'Fake News' Arista? It really pees me off.

[Nicky91]

:clap1: :clap1:

great move from Trump, wipe Syria and Russia completely of the map pls

[Northern Monkey]

It’s ****ing insanity.
One slight miscalculation and us or the US hits a Russian jet or a Russian manned base and we’re all ****ed.
This isn’t some game.

[Nicky91]

i don't give a damn about Russia, they are criminals using chemical weapons on these poor children :sad:

[bots]

It’s ****ing insanity.
One slight miscalculation and us or the US hits a Russian jet or a Russian manned base and we’re all ****ed.
This isn’t some game.

that's really not true. The Russians have been warned of pending action. If they choose to get in the way, that's their issue. Also Russia has removed much of its air power already from the area.

and just to clarify, the USA and Russia have been at war for decades. It's largely a behind the scenes war, but it is a war. The same applies to the UK.

[Nicky91]

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this song is about all wars are useless, you haven't got anything with these wars

[Northern Monkey]

that's really not true. The Russians have been warned of pending action. If they choose to get in the way, that's their issue. Also Russia has removed much of its air power already from the area.

and just to clarify, the USA and Russia have been at war for decades. It's largely a behind the scenes war, but it is a war. The same applies to the UK.

I know that.I know there’s been an arms race going on for years.

Russia will probably have subs in position by now.What happens if we hit a Russian asset and they decide to send one of their subs or jets out to try and sink a US/UK destroyer?
It doesn’t take much for it to escalate.The Russians are always coming over here pinging our radar.

It’s crazy.

[bots]

I know that.I know there’s been an arms race going on for years.

Russia will probably have subs in position by now.What happens if we hit a Russian asset and they decide to send one of their subs or jets out to try and sink a US/UK destroyer?
It doesn’t take much for it to escalate.The Russians are always coming over here pinging our radar.

It’s crazy.

that's the reason they have battles on foreign territory. The extent of any engagement is limited. Also, the west has been having on going incursions with Russians present in the same area for the last few years .... it's not a new scenario

[Northern Monkey]

I think this guy’s right when he says that both sides are bad and there’s not actually a real standing army fighting against Assad.We don’t want the RAF getting sucked into being the air wing of a load of Jihadis.If Assads regime goes down then who takes over?


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[bots]

I think this guy’s right when he says that both sides are bad and there’s not actually a real standing army fighting against Assad.We don’t want the RAF getting sucked into being the air wing of a load of Jihadis.If Assads regime goes down then who takes over?




it's not a nice place, and there is no right answer, but that doesn't allow us to excuse the use of chemical weapons, which is what this is all about.

[Twosugars]

I do get the point about chemical weapons being at a different level of atrocity. But what about those Syrians killed by "traditional" means? It's not about the people of Syria, it's all about geopolitical interests.
The West didn't intervene 5 years ago, now Russia and Iran have troops in Syria and won't let Syria go. Turkey is also drifting away from Nato and siding up with Russia.
How to "discipline" Syria without stepping on Russia's toes? If Putin feels like it he will claim Russian losses and dead whether they're real or not.

[Nicky91]

it's not a nice place, and there is no right answer, but that doesn't allow us to excuse the use of chemical weapons, which is what this is all about.

exactly, i couldn't have said it better

[arista]

I do get the point about chemical weapons being at a different level of atrocity. But what about those Syrians killed by "traditional" means? It's not about the people of Syria, it's all about geopolitical interests.
The West didn't intervene 5 years ago, now Russia and Iran have troops in Syria and won't let Syria go. Turkey is also drifting away from Nato and siding up with Russia.
How to "discipline" Syria without stepping on Russia's toes? If Putin feels like it he will claim Russian losses and dead whether they're real or not.


Yes Trump
is back tracking now
saying he may attack soon

Meanwhile
his generals are going to give him a plan
https://news.sky.com/story/us-military-ready-to-give-trump-options-on-striking-syria-11326715

[Nicky91]

Trump don't back down, destroy Syria pls

[Kizzy]

It's blair/bush all over again.

[jaxie]

Well it's not really like blair/bush. In this case there is clear evidence chemical weapons have been used on civilians, more than once. It's a complex situation but if the rest of us in the west do nothing we are sending a clear message that Russia and friends can get away with anything.

[Kizzy]

Well it's not really like blair/bush. In this case there is clear evidence chemical weapons have been used on civilians, more than once. It's a complex situation but if the rest of us in the west do nothing we are sending a clear message that Russia and friends can get away with anything.

From this it sees eerily similar.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/09/iraq-war-after-blair-and-bush-met-the-tempo-changed

[bots]

it's nothing like the same as blair/bush. However, given there is probably time now, I do think it should go to a vote in parliament before action is taken

[Twosugars]

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

[bots]

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

in which case the Russian's would be quick enough to point the finger

[Beso]

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

A lot of photos going around the net showing mock up of injuries....some blaming the white helmets for faking it.

[Kizzy]

it's nothing like the same as blair/bush. However, given there is probably time now, I do think it should go to a vote in parliament before action is taken

Time..Time for what?

What is different?

[bots]

Time..Time for what?

What is different?

well this has to be coordinated with the french and the USA and neither are jumping to immediate action. Immediate action prior to Monday's restart of parliament is the only reason not to go to the house for a vote, and that seems unlikely now. Also, from the grape vine, it looks like Trump is going to be quite busy looking after his own personal interests in the next few days

[Twosugars]

in which case the Russian's would be quick enough to point the finger

they have called it "staged"

[Northern Monkey]

Would it not be more sensible to try getting some independent investigators in to investigate before lobbing cruise missiles in?
What’s the objective?Is it just to take out chemical weapons plants and missile silos/airbases as a punishment?
Because what starts out as one thing usually turns into regime change in these countries.Assad is a disgrace but what may come in his place may be worse when the alternative is a load of Islamist Jihadis.

[Nicky91]

Assad is worse than ISIS, Putin is worse than ISIS and Assad combined


Russia is the most evil country, no one is nice there

[Crimson Dynamo]

Assad is worse than ISIS, Putin is worse than ISIS and Assad combined


Russia is the most evil country, no one is nice there

what about your friend from Russia?

[Nicky91]

what about your friend from Russia?

she lives in Germany anyway, and she's more from Kazakhstan it was soviet Union when her family lived there

[bots]

Would it not be more sensible to try getting some independent investigators in to investigate before lobbing cruise missiles in?
What’s the objective?Is it just to take out chemical weapons plants and missile silos/airbases as a punishment?
Because what starts out as one thing usually turns into regime change in these countries.Assad is a disgrace but what may come in his place may be worse when the alternative is a load of Islamist Jihadis.

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.

[Nicky91]

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.

btw isn't a chemical weapons silo just like a nuclear weapon silo, one explosion and there will be a toxic cloud so basically trump is gonna murder some innocent people as well :think:

[Northern Monkey]

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.
My worry is that it could be about more than just taking out chemical weapons capabilities and turn into toppling yet another dictator and creating another power vacuum.Only this one is much more dangerous as it’s full of Russian interests.Russia won’t let Assad go down without a fight.You saw how fast Putin acted in Ukraine when his ally was ousted there.This could go very badly wrong.
I won’t lie.I don’t like it.

[Maru]

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