Ridiculous twist + more pandering to weak players.

[Pro Sniper]

Having outside interference to save a player on the block is absurd. It may have been excused a bit more IF the person saving was worthy of it,, but it was Ryan FFS. The man who chose to turn on his only 2 allies and accepted becoming the houses' bitch. Why the **** should that sort of moronic, pathetic behaviour be rewarded? - and the fact that saving Ryan's hairy orange ass also resulted in Erica(the greatest BBcan female of all time) being evicted in his place makes it even more tragic. Also, ridiculous to see the gifting of "messages from home" to the entire house(which was clearly for the benefit of weak losers like Ali, Liv, Derek, Will, Maddy, Paras etc) it used to be that receiving such a privilege could only come from being earned. The game is just getting softer and softer. Soon the players will be able to pick a handful of family&friends to have on standby 24/7 that they can call on to come in the house and cheer them up for a couple of hrs.

[Mystic Mock]

I've noticed with BBCAN that if they are saving someone with twists then they're likely to be in the final two and most of the time are likely to win the game.

Jon, Sarah. The Brothers and Kelsey for series 4, Kevin, and now Ryan.

[starry]

Erica didn't go after bigger targets when she should have, she evicted Veronica to please others. Ryan was never going to be accepted just because, like you Pro Sniper, people don't think he looks cool.

[Oliver_W]

My theory is that the person who's paid to subtitle Will suggested this twist so he wouldn't lose his job.

[LukeB]

She was stupid to win so many comps when she didn’t need to so what did you expect? It was going to bite her in the ass sooner or later.

[Calderyon]

She won too much when she didn´t need to and it cost her.

[Pro Sniper]

Erica didn't go after bigger targets when she should have, she evicted Veronica to please others. Ryan was never going to be accepted just because, like you Pro Sniper, people don't think he looks cool.

What bigger targets??? There's NONE in that house. It's perfectly linear. That's why it didn't matter who Erica went after. They were all inferior..so her only play was to navigate her way through the horrid pack week by week while attempting to minimize the blowback on herself. Which she was doing a pretty good job of. Because aside from that little ratbag Kaela and her poncey bf, she looked in no immediate danger from the rest of the rabble. It's just laughable that arguably the greatest female the show has ever had was kicked out in such a ludicrous, unfair manner. A legit backdoor is fair game, but this one was anything but. A silly twist to save a useless player(just because he's a "superfan") and ZERO chance to even participate and win a POV to avoid any backdoor plot made the whole thing preposterous.

Re Ryan. I can't speak for the house, but I don't "not accept him" because he doesn't look cool. I don't accept him because he's played like a moron and been given a ludicrous save at the expense of a RARE PHENOMENON in the BB game = POWERFUL FEMALE PLAYER.

[starry]

What bigger targets??? There's NONE in that house. It's perfectly linear. That's why it didn't matter who Erica went after. They were all inferior..so her only play was to navigate her way through the horrid pack week by week while attempting to minimize the blowback on herself. Which she was doing a pretty good job of. Because aside from that little ratbag Kaela and her poncey bf, she looked in no immediate danger from the rest of the rabble. It's just laughable that arguably the greatest female the show has ever had was kicked out in such a ludicrous, unfair manner. A legit backdoor is fair game, but this one was anything but. A silly twist to save a useless player(just because he's a "superfan") and ZERO chance to even participate and win a POV to avoid any backdoor plot made the whole thing preposterous.

Re Ryan. I can't speak for the house, but I don't "not accept him" because he doesn't look cool. I don't accept him because he's played like a moron and been given a ludicrous save at the expense of a RARE PHENOMENON in the BB game = POWERFUL FEMALE PLAYER.

Ryan told her she would always be a big target even if she did what the house wanted and he was right. The game was bound to eventually start even though we've had to wait weeks for it.

[point17]

Ryan was given a great edit that episode.. they are trying to build the whole Alli Liv Daela vs Will Maddy Jony and Paras (playing both sides). Erica seemed to be good with most so she doesn't force the 2 groups.

I think it was a shame she left now, but a bigger shame Jonny won that veto or he could have gone home!

What's more frustrating I guess too is that Erica didn't even make Jury..

[starry]

What bigger targets??? There's NONE in that house. It's perfectly linear. That's why it didn't matter who Erica went after. They were all inferior..so her only play was to navigate her way through the horrid pack week by week while attempting to minimize the blowback on herself. [/B]

She was stringing along with two duos who were ready to ditch her whenever needed.

[Ashley.]

Re Ryan. I can't speak for the house, but I don't "not accept him" because he doesn't look cool. I don't accept him because he's played like a moron and been given a ludicrous save at the expense of a RARE PHENOMENON in the BB game = POWERFUL FEMALE PLAYER.

It's hardly a rare phenomenon. Jillian, Neda, Sarah, Brittnee, Ika, Ashleigh, Kelsey, Cassandra and even Karen to some extent were all powerful in their respective seasons. In fact I'd say that female players have stood out a lot more than male players when it comes to BB Canada.

[Pro Sniper]

She was stringing along with two duos who were ready to ditch her whenever needed.
One can't control how many pairs band together. One can only control how to split them up. it's hardly wise to do anything other than string along with both of them until you win power and pledge loyalty(pretendee) to one of them as you target the other. This dreadful season actually deserves something like those 2 weak, pathetic pairs to be the final 4. I hope that's what happens. 200 people tune in to watch the insignificant winner being crowned and Arisa Cox annouces that another hiatus is almost assured. It doesn't deserve any more seasons if this is the standard garbage they're serving up.
It's hardly a rare phenomenon. Jillian, Neda, Sarah, Brittnee, Ika, Ashleigh, Kelsey, Cassandra and even Karen to some extent were all powerful in their respective seasons. In fact I'd say that female players have stood out a lot more than male players when it comes to BB Canada.
Our definition of POWERFUL obviously differs. Coz apart from Jillian, I wouldn't have any of the following 8 names listed under that description. I'd have 1 of them under OVERRATED(Neda), one of them under GROTESQUELY OVERRATED(Ika),, and the rest under LAUGHABLE.

[Mystic Mock]

She was stupid to win so many comps when she didn’t need to so what did you expect? It was going to bite her in the ass sooner or later.

Tbf a twist took her out, not anything to do with her gameplay.

[Mystic Mock]

One can't control how many pairs band together. One can only control how to split them up. it's hardly wise to do anything other than string along with both of them until you win power and pledge loyalty(pretendee) to one of them as you target the other. This dreadful season actually deserves something like those 2 weak, pathetic pairs to be the final 4. I hope that's what happens. 200 people tune in to watch the insignificant winner being crowned and Arisa Cox annouces that another hiatus is almost assured. It doesn't deserve any more seasons if this is the standard garbage they're serving up.

Our definition of POWERFUL obviously differs. Coz apart from Jillian, I wouldn't have any of the following 8 names listed under that description. I'd have 1 of them under OVERRATED(Neda), one of them under GROTESQUELY OVERRATED(Ika),, and the rest under LAUGHABLE.

I would agree with you on this tbh, bar Jillian as I've not seen much of series 1 at all.

[LukeB]

Tbf a twist took her out, not anything to do with her gameplay.

It still has something to do with her gameplay, Kaela had loads of options but she chose Erica.

Erica would have been the replacement nominee if johnny used his veto. If she couldn’t get out johnny her next target was Erica.she used the canada veto twist to her advantage

Twist may have been the reason why she is out but gameplay still comes into it.

[Mystic Mock]

It still has something to do with her gameplay, Kaela had loads of options but she chose Erica.

Erica would have been the replacement nominee if johnny used his veto. If she couldn’t get out johnny her next target was Erica.she used the canada veto twist to her advantage

Twist may have been the reason why she is out but gameplay still comes into it.

The main point I'm trying to make is that Erica survived the week, it's not her fault that a twist came in and swiped her out, she authentically made it to this week and should've been allowed to have a chance at taking out Kaela, and if she couldn't then that's down to her gameplay not being good enough to deal with Kaela.

[LukeB]

The main point I'm trying to make is that Erica survived the week, it's not her fault that a twist came in and swiped her out, she authentically made it to this week and should've been allowed to have a chance at taking out Kaela, and if she couldn't then that's down to her gameplay not being good enough to deal with Kaela.

Yeah she survived this week, not her fault about the twist but it is still her fault she was evicted. Kaela had some time to talk to people before she made her choice, canada did not put up erica and evicted her, Kaela and the hgs did.

She could have survived if liv and ali who she was close to voted to save her.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah she survived this week, not her fault about the twist but it is still her fault she was evicted. Kaela had some time to talk to people before she made her choice, canada did not put up erica and evicted her, Kaela and the hgs did.

She could have survived if liv and ali who she was close to voted to save her.

But every Housemate has a weak spot with their gameplans, and the twist that was used on Erica could be used on any of the other Housemates which is wrong as within BBUSA rules (which is what BBCAN is following) Kaela had chickened out of going for Erica, and Johnny had won the Veto so Kaela had failed at getting out her target, and it should've stayed that way imo.

[Calderyon]

Tbf a twist took her out, not anything to do with her gameplay.

She would not have been such a target had she not won so much, so her gameplay had something to do with it.

[LukeB]

But every Housemate has a weak spot with their gameplans, and the twist that was used on Erica could be used on any of the other Housemates which is wrong as within BBUSA rules (which is what BBCAN is following) Kaela had chickened out of going for Erica, and Johnny had won the Veto so Kaela had failed at getting out her target, and it should've stayed that way imo.

How did she chicken out? Why would anyone put a comp beast up for eviction allowing them to play veto and ruin her plans? Her plans was ruined anyway until canada saved Ryan which gave Kaela the opportunity to get out a threat. Yes erica was evicted because of this twist but still had some gameplay to it. Erica could have survived if she wasn’t a target.

[Mystic Mock]

She would not have been such a target had she not won so much, so her gameplay had something to do with it.

It's not her fault that only two people in the whole season are capable enough to win comps.:joker:

The blame should only be in one direction about Erica's eviction, and that's the BBCAN production.

[Calderyon]

It's not her fault that only two people in the whole season are capable enough to win comps.:joker:

The blame should only be in one direction about Erica's eviction, and that's the BBCAN production.

In terms of her being a target above others ie: a potential evictee is down to her.

The twist was stupid and unfair though. But so are most of them and houseguests should prepare for them to happen.

[Calderyon]

But then again this all could have been avoided had Canada voted not to use the veto.

[LukeB]

But then again this all could have been avoided had Canada voted not to use the veto.

The option should have been chosen, idk why fans voted to use it.

[Mystic Mock]

How did she chicken out? Why would anyone put a comp beast up for eviction allowing them to play veto and ruin her plans? Her plans was ruined anyway until canada saved Ryan which gave Kaela the opportunity to get out a threat. Yes erica was evicted because of this twist but still had some gameplay to it. Erica could have survived if she wasn’t a target.

Well it's a cowards move to backdoor (I feel the same with Erica's HOH the week Veronica went) but away from my opinion of backdooring, Kaela's backdoor plan went wrong as Johnny won the Veto (which Kaela could've stopped him winning)he didn't use it so that should've meant game on for next week between Daela and Erica and Johnny and see who was good enough to win the next HOH, but instead BBCAN production nuked the unpredictability of who would win to safeguard the Showmance (as per usual) it's why I only casually watch BBCAN as they knew that Kaela would take a strike at Erica if Erica didn't have a whole week to campaign, tbf I don't blame Kaela as she did make the right move for herself in the end (even though I do think that she's made more enemies along the way by nominating two pawns that week) I blame the production for not even giving Erica a chance at survival, they knew that with Kaela being HOH that only two people were vulnerable to the twist and they (the production) deliberately targeted them knowing that Kaela wouldn't have the courage to nominate them against each other upfront.

[Mystic Mock]

In terms of her being a target above others ie: a potential evictee is down to her.

The twist was stupid and unfair though. But so are most of them and houseguests should prepare for them to happen.

The only way to not be a target in BBCAN this series is to be like William, Maddy, or Paras.:joker:

[LukeB]

Well it's a cowards move to backdoor (I feel the same with Erica's HOH the week Veronica went) but away from my opinion of backdooring, Kaela's backdoor plan went wrong as Johnny won the Veto (which Kaela could've stopped him winning)he didn't use it so that should've meant game on for next week between Daela and Erica and Johnny and see who was good enough to win the next HOH, but instead BBCAN production nuked the unpredictability of who would win to safeguard the Showmance (as per usual) it's why I only casually watch BBCAN as they knew that Kaela would take a strike at Erica if Erica didn't have a whole week to campaign, tbf I don't blame Kaela as she did make the right move for herself in the end (even though I do think that she's made more enemies along the way by nominating two pawns that week) I blame the production for not even giving Erica a chance at survival, they knew that with Kaela being HOH that only two people were vulnerable to the twist and they (the production) deliberately targeted them knowing that Kaela wouldn't have the courage to nominate them against each other upfront.

No really a cowards way, and production did give any hgs a chance to survive with the ‘not use veto option’ but hgs should expect twists and try and cover that just incase. If you’re a target then bad luck. Its the productions and Erica’s fault. Whatever you do in the house may come back and get you if you’re not careful enough. Kaela choosing Erica and making sure she goes was gameplay not just some random stuff. It happened to Bruno on bbcan3, he was evicted because of viewers giving brittnee power but Bruno was fine until he blew up at Sarah.

[Mystic Mock]

No really a cowards way, and production did give any hgs a chance to survive with the ‘not use veto option’ but hgs should expect twists and try and cover that just incase. If you’re a target then bad luck. Its the productions and Erica’s fault. Whatever you do in the house may come back and get you if you’re not careful enough. Kaela choosing Erica and making sure she goes was gameplay not just some random stuff. It happened to Bruno on bbcan3, he was evicted because of viewers giving brittnee power but Bruno was fine until he blew up at Sarah.

But Bruno's eviction was unfair, it doesn't matter who it is or if their game had weaknesses (which every single HM/HG has weak spots in their game) if the HOH and Veto for that week has been played and you're not on the block and then a twist comes in that sees you evicted then it's the production's fault not the Housemate in question as they did enough to get through that week and could've advanced further, I especially think so in the case of Erica as she was quite good at the comps.

[LukeB]

But Bruno's eviction was unfair, it doesn't matter who it is or if their game had weaknesses (which every single HM/HG has weak spots in their game) if the HOH and Veto for that week has been played and you're not on the block and then a twist comes in that sees you evicted then it's the production's fault not the Housemate in question as they did enough to get through that week and could've advanced further, I especially think so in the case of Erica as she was quite good at the comps.

I don’t really understand how you can’t also blame the evicted houseguest? Pretty sure Zach was going after Brittnee won but Bruno getting angry at Sarah made him the target so that is his fault.

Kaela could have chosen Maddy or Paras but she chose Erica because Erica made herself a target not the production.

Twists are productions fault but they can’t be blamed for how the houseguest play of their actions. They don’t force them to ruin their games

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t really understand how you can’t also blame the evicted houseguest? Pretty sure Zach was going after Brittnee won but Bruno getting angry at Sarah made him the target so that is his fault.

Kaela could have chosen Maddy or Paras but she chose Erica because Erica made herself a target not the production.

Twists are productions fault but they can’t be blamed for how the houseguest play of their actions. They don’t force them to ruin their games

The point that you're missing is that if the twist wasn't in play then Erica could've gone onto win the series, or she could've just gone under this Derek HOH anyway, the point is we'll never truly know how good or bad Erica's game was because the production ruined her game instead. I also don't get how Erica evading the block under Kaela's HOH is a bad game move? She had intimidated Kaela to such a point that she was scared to put Erica up, yes she got lucky with Johnny winning the POV, but that is within the rules of the game and Kaela had failed to get Erica or Johnny out, neither of them deserved what happened afterwards all because they'd outplayed Daela that week.

[Calderyon]

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

She was going to go eventually anyway. At least if a double or a triple would have happened.

[LukeB]

The point that you're missing is that if the twist wasn't in play then Erica could've gone onto win the series, or she could've just gone under this Derek HOH anyway, the point is we'll never truly know how good or bad Erica's game was because the production ruined her game instead. I also don't get how Erica evading the block under Kaela's HOH is a bad game move? She had intimidated Kaela to such a point that she was scared to put Erica up, yes she got lucky with Johnny winning the POV, but that is within the rules of the game and Kaela had failed to get Erica or Johnny out, neither of them deserved what happened afterwards all because they'd outplayed Daela that week.

I didn’t deny that but Erica has some blame because of her gameplay, she would have survived if she wasn’t a target or someone else like ali or liv winning HOH. The twist was annouced before Kaela won hoh. Kaela getting rid of erica (with the help from canada) was a good game move.

This twist could have sent anyone out because of their gameplay

[LukeB]

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

Yeah, she had a great social game but i think her wanting to beat the female comp record lost her focus on getting to the end

[Mystic Mock]

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

She was going to go eventually anyway. At least if a double or a triple would have happened.

I agree with you personally, but she still should've been given a chance to see just how far she naturally was going to go.

I mean by the looks of things the house is just turning into who's less useless at the game if Johnny goes aswell which will be from the affect of the twist.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn’t deny that but Erica has some blame because of her gameplay, she would have survived if she wasn’t a target or someone else like ali or liv winning HOH. The twist was annouced before Kaela won hoh. Kaela getting rid of erica (with the help from canada) was a good game move.

This twist could have sent anyone out because of their gameplay

And if it had've sent someone else home it still would've been the production's fault as the Housemate in question had done enough to get through the week.

[LukeB]

And if it had've sent someone else home it still would've been the production's fault as the Housemate in question had done enough to get through the week.

And their fault because of their gameplay

[Calderyon]

As a HG, you have to be prepared that a twist/twists will happen. They always have they always will.

Otherwise do not bother applying. You need adaptability.

[Mystic Mock]

As a HG, you have to be prepared that a twist/twists will happen. They always have they always will.

Otherwise do not bother applying.

I don't think that people should be being told that they're playing a social game where they've got to manipulate their fellow competitors into giving them the win, and then have a public vote come in and wreck their game.

As you've said twists happen on Big Brother, but they shouldn't compromise the core concept of the individual Big Brother.

[Calderyon]

Which one?

Orginal or US?

I mean in a sense, both BBUS and BBCAN are "twists" to the original format.

[Calderyon]

Do you think all public votes are unfair re: BBCAN/BBUS?