UK, US and France launch joint attack on Syria

[Denver]

Holy **** a war just began

[montblanc]

wait is this serious

[Denver]

wait is this serious

All over the news Syria are fighting back

[Greg!]

Cba why do we always get involved it literally never ends well

[JerseyWins]

Oh **** I'm moving to Canada

[RileyH]

Poor Syria

[JerseyWins]

This is such a shame :bored:

[Denver]

Expect more countries to get involved

[Amy Jade]

Poor Syria

:conf:

[Wizard.]

omg Russia said they are gonna attack us now

[Maru]

Well, there it is...

[JerseyWins]

omg Russia said they are gonna attack us now
You all better move to Canada too!

[Greg!]

WWIII here we come ladies
http://i.imgur.com/Qrgwvdr.gif

[Maru]

You all better move to Canada too!

Too damn cold. I'm going to Mexico :laugh:

[reece(:]

Not prepared to perch a bomb shelter

https://i.imgur.com/wKAX1NS.gif

[reece(:]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatgIz8WsAAw1dZ.jpg

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-us-uk-and-france-launch-strikes-on-syria-11329799


Yes 1st bombing - has gone down

[Tom4784]

Well.....We're ****ed.

[Ashley.]

World gone mad.

[LaLaLand]

Oh................... ****.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah this is a really big shame if things escalate which it seems like they will :bored:

[Tom4784]

*moves out of radiation range of Birmingham*

[Maru]

Well we said we would do this if it kept up, and now it's happening... I think just fingers crossed it actually leads to eventual long-term solutions and not just more warfare or inflammatory rhetoric*. The latter* is my biggest concern...

On the bright side, when the international community starts to make similar retaliatory assertions towards North Korea, maybe they might actually think that dog is willing to do more than bark...

[Maru]

Now I'm not sure if I should be getting myself ready for bed or if I should be pulling out the coffee so I can continue following the coverage...

[arista]

Nothing Russian was hit.
Macron in France said his 2017 red line had been crossed.

The UK PM
ignored Parliament,
as she could lose a vote to attack.

[Smithy]

Y’all laughed at me for being in Guernsey, look whose laughing now bitch!!

[AnnieK]

Oh crap.....

[Nicky91]

wow :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: i am so proud of UK, USA, France right now

[Kazanne]

Something had to be done,it's no good sitting back and letting others **** all over us.

[lime]

I dont think this is such a big deal...Assad ..russia and Iran are being told it's ok to massacre innocent men,women and children.....just dont use chemical weapons to do it.

The fear Russia has installed in the ordinary folk of the Uk and US is crazy to watch...They are a tiger with no teeth..yes they have nuclear weapons..(So do many others)..The Oligards would push Putin and his dreams of reforming mother Russia under the bus if his actions put their wealth at risk

[Brother Leon]

Dropping bombs and missiles without a parliamentary vote, but hey... we consulted Trump at least.

[Nicky91]

omg Russia said they are gonna attack us now

let them come, but they won't attack us like that (no it's more like no more products from Russia towards the west)


that sort of consequences

[MTVN]

Seems like pretty limited strikes tbh and may well just be a one off, would probably be relieved if I was Assad that this was the extent of the action

[Nicky91]

boo hoo Russia feeling threatened, maybe we should fire missiles on some russian cities and military bases as well


destroy evil Russia

[Brother Leon]

Something had to be done,it's no good sitting back and letting others **** all over us.

Who is ****ting all over us exactly?

We can’t just pick and choose when we want to wield the power of justice in the Middle East. We’ve always sat back(supported and funded at times) and let poor civilians die in Iraq,Yemen,Gaza,Afghanistan...but now all of a sudden we apparently care about the people of the region?

[jaxie]

It seems a fairly limited strike and it was inevitable, they can't just ignore the use of chemical weapons.

[Nicky91]

it was successful uk had destroyed chemical weapons facilities :dance: :cheer2: :cheer2:

[Nicky91]

we can hold our hands together together through this storm orm orm orm, spread your love give all you got, hold your hands up don't give up no no


and this isn't war, i'm expecting Russia to be smarter than just going to war, more like cutting us off of their supplies i think

[Underscore]

Poor Syria

:conf:

[Underscore]

Good on you Mrs May. Something had to be done about Assad, Putin and his thugs and it’s finally being done.

[bots]

i fully support the action taken

[lime]

Who is ****ting all over us exactly?

We can’t just pick and choose when we want to wield the power of justice in the Middle East. We’ve always sat back(supported and funded at times) and let poor civilians die in Iraq,Yemen,Gaza,Afghanistan...but now all of a sudden we apparently care about the people of the region?
I wholy agree with this.

Its crazy how we in the west concetrate on certain things in the ME....To see young Palisetenian's being shot dead ...and then to hear the IDF laugh about it.....i would like to see wrong aknoladged on all sides

[LemonJam]

we can hold our hands together together through this storm orm orm orm, spread your love give all you got, hold your hands up don't give up no no

:skull:

[Jake.]

WWIII here we come ladies
http://i.imgur.com/Qrgwvdr.gif

Ffs :joker:

[Jake.]

we can hold our hands together together through this storm orm orm orm, spread your love give all you got, hold your hands up don't give up no no


and this isn't war, i'm expecting Russia to be smarter than just going to war, more like cutting us off of their supplies i think

omg

[Underscore]

orm orm orm

we love a seal

[smudgie]

The much needed slap on the wrist.
How the chuff Mr.Putin has been disrespected is beyond me, the target was the chemical weapons factories etc, not the Russians.

[lime]

It seems a fairly limited strike and it was inevitable, they can't just ignore the use of chemical weapons.


that's the thing jaxie ..These strikes were never meant to make them ..ie Assad ...Iran and Russia to stop...this was all about ....let the world see we can massare and you in the west can do fok all

[Tozzie]

This had to be done. There are laws that chemical weapons must not be used and they broke that law. I.m not a fan of Trump in fact I despise him but I applaud him for making this decision. This is very worrying and I wish the UK weren't involved but I understand why we joined forces.

[arista]

This had to be done. There are laws that chemical weapons must not be used and they broke that law. I.m not a fan of Trump in fact I despise him but I applaud him for making this decision. This is very worrying and I wish the UK weren't involved but I understand why we joined forces.


They have bombed a few buildings with 3 nations , this time,
But the Russians were made aware, before they bombed.

This will not stop Anything

[arista]

Who is ****ting all over us exactly?

We can’t just pick and choose when we want to wield the power of justice in the Middle East. We’ve always sat back(supported and funded at times) and let poor civilians die in Iraq,Yemen,Gaza,Afghanistan...but now all of a sudden we apparently care about the people of the region?


Very True BL.

[Northern Monkey]

-aZLUmb4TlQ

[Livia]

Who is ****ting all over us exactly?

We can’t just pick and choose when we want to wield the power of justice in the Middle East. We’ve always sat back(supported and funded at times) and let poor civilians die in Iraq,Yemen,Gaza,Afghanistan...but now all of a sudden we apparently care about the people of the region?

Chemical weapons are against International law. Russia used them in this country, on our own streets. And they've followed that up by using chemical weapons on civilians... including lots of children.

We had a duty to act.

[Jack_]

Nothing like the prospect of a war to curry public favour and deflect is there

[Livia]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

[arista]

Nothing like the prospect of a war to curry public favour and deflect is there

I am ready for WW3
the Syrian civil war is not it.

[user104658]

I'd be fascinated to know what the real story is here. It's obviously not the official one / the one that's being reported or, at least, that's far from the full story... I wonder if the true one will be in the history books some day?

If anyone is around to write them of course :joker:.

[Oliver_W]

Such a waste of money.

[Northern Monkey]

I don’t get why we started bombing on the same day and even a couple of hours BEFORE the investigators went to the site?
I also don’t get why Assad decides to use chemical weapons in an area he already controls and just as Trump was about to pull out of Syria.That won’t happen now.
He gained nothing.People say he’s just crazy but surely he’s not stupid.

I’d bet that this is not the end of it.I’d put money on more strikes and possibly getting dragged back in there in the coming weeks or months.

[Oliver_W]

Something had to be done,it's no good sitting back and letting others **** all over us.

Let them think they're 2****ting all over us", it's better than wasting money and rocking the boat with Russia and the islamic world.

[user104658]

I don’t get why we started bombing on the same day and even a couple of hours BEFORE the investigators went to the site?

I also don’t get why Assad decides to use chemical weapons in an area he already controls and just as Trump was about to pull out of Syria.That won’t happen now.
He gained nothing.People say he’s just crazy but surely he’s not stupid.

Exactly. Neither of these things make any logical sense at all, yet its the story we're sold. They don't even bother to come up with anything particularly sound these days; they know that most people won't be paying any attention at all, and of those that are paying attention most will just swallow the official version of events without question, and those who don't will be brushed off as "conspiracy theorists" :shrug:.


I’d bet that this is not the end of it.I’d put money on more strikes and possibly getting dragged back in there in the coming weeks or months.

There's definitely something "more" in the works and it in my opinion there's no question that it ties in with the recent "attack" in England and diplomatic expulsions etc.

[Oliver_W]

Chemical weapons are against International law. Russia used them in this country, on our own streets. And they've followed that up by using chemical weapons on civilians... including lots of children.

We had a duty to act.

We're still not sure the chemical attack in our streets was from the Russian state itself though, or if their weapons fell into the wrong hands.

[Northern Monkey]

Exactly. Neither of these things make any logical sense at all, yet its the story we're sold. They don't even bother to come up with anything particularly sound these days; they know that most people won't be paying any attention at all, and of those that are paying attention most will just swallow the official version of events without question, and those who don't will be brushed off as "conspiracy theorists" :shrug:.



There's definitely something "more" in the works and it in my opinion there's no question that it ties in with the recent "attack" in England and diplomatic expulsions etc.

Incident

Reaction

Investigation

This is the new way

[user104658]

We're still not sure the chemical attack in our streets was from the Russian state itself though, or if their weapons fell into the wrong hands.And we daren't even utter the term "false flag".

[Northern Monkey]

I really hope we’re not going to try this again soon.Russian jets have been patroling the Syrian skies for the last 3 hours.
Reporter on the ground in Syria on Sky News says it’s important to asses the next 48 hours as a Syrian,Russian or Iranian response may be on the cards in the next days or weeks.

[Nicky91]

sorry if i said anything dumb, i just side with UK & USA cause they seem the good guys, i just don't understand all this politics that well, tbh i find it quite boring

[Brother Leon]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

True.

Let’s send the bombers into Saudi and Israel too.

Rule Britannia!!!

Oh wait. Those are our friends. Never mind. Nothing to see here. :hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

Bloody warmongers ,1st we had the load of utter BS about the poisoning to get us in the mood to go against Russia, then we've had photos of children to make our hearts melt so everyone backs this onslaught ,May has bitten off more than she can chew if she starts on Russia and their friends

[Cal.]

Me outside the conscription office

http://i.imgur.com/Qrgwvdr.gif

[Brillopad]

Bloody warmongers ,1st we had the load of utter BS about the poisoning to get us in the mood to go against Russia, then we've had photos of children to make our hearts melt so everyone backs this onslaught ,May has bitten off more than she can chew if she starts on Russia and their friends

I have mixed feelings on this one Chuff. I do believe everyone should stand up to anyone committing that kind of genocide, especially for the children - but another part of me feels why should the West always have to get involved with countries who are so bogged down with religion, which enables such zealots in the first place, they are unable to sort themselves out.

I firmly believe some religions hold countries back and are a breeding ground for dictators and psychopaths.

[Twosugars]

I'm sort of relieved. It was done quite well, all considered. Targeted strike avoiding Russian and Iranian positions. Only chemical and military facilities targeted.
BBC claims Trump wanted more, but was persuaded by State and Defence departments.
All in all, a world war avoided. So far.

[user104658]

sorry if i said anything dumb, i just side with UK & USA cause they seem the good guys, i just don't understand all this politics that well, tbh i find it quite boring

Nicky hitting the nail firmly on the head :clap1:.

[Twosugars]

I have mixed feelings on this one Chuff. I do believe everyone should stand up to anyone committing that kind of genocide, especially for the children - but another part of me feels why should the West always have to get involved with countries who are so bogged down with religion, which enables such zealots in the first place, they are unable to sort themselves out.

I firmly believe some religions hold countries back and are a breeding ground for dictators and psychopaths.

True. But it's not always about religion. Assad, like Saddam was, is a secular dictator. Religious and tribal wars may start though once he is removed, like it happened in Iraq. The whole Middle East is a mess. Starting from the fact that the borders were drawn by colonial powers without much thought for what groups live where.

[lime]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

Livia you know i love you .....but I Want to know your opinion on why now??

Children are dying in Syria...don't want to swear ...but nobody gives a eff....as long as they don't come to Europe.
I guess what I'm askinrg is either you are uncomfortable with chilren being massacared ...or they way they are being .massacareed


When I say you...I most definetley don't mean you as a person

[arista]

Trump has tweeted
"Mission Accomplished"

I am sorry President Trump
you have changed nothing.
AGAIN.


ref: CNN HD/SkyNewsHD/FoxNews (online only for UK, at this time)/France24

[jaxie]

Livia you know i love you .....but I Want to know your opinion on why now??

Children are dying in Syria...don't want to swear ...but nobody gives a eff....as long as they don't come to Europe.
I guess what I'm askinrg is either you are uncomfortable with chilren being massacared ...or they way they are being .massacareed


When I say you...I most definetley don't mean you as a person

I can't speak for Livia but I can say that personally I feel a sense of horror and frustration by what is going on in Syria generally so any action seems like someone is doing something. Talking doesn't seem to be having any effect.

[Greg!]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

...and potentially kill more children :conf:

[Jack_]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

985112350469607424

:joker:

[arista]

These Attacks went down at 4AM Syria time
Empty buildings, the USA General
Lt.Gen.K.McKenzie
Claims "the buildings" he ,the UK and France Hit
have put back the Syria Chemical Plants.
No one died.


Of course unless there are others
they have no data on.

[Oliver_W]

As far as I know the aim was to destroy their chemical weapon factories, not to specifically kill anyone. There's still the danger it will lead to things we don't want, like further conflict and migrants heading westward.

[arista]

[Syria airstrikes: Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'legally questionable' military action
The Labour leader criticises Theresa May for not seeking parliamentary approval and says "bombs won't save lives or bring peace".]
https://news.sky.com/story/syria-airstrikes-jeremy-corbyn-hits-out-at-legally-questionable-military-action-11330060



Correct JC
but it was a 4AM Saturday Syria Time Attack led by America

Not Tuesday
a day after Parliament opens up.

[thesheriff443]

Every effort has been made to sort this out with talks, it's Russia that's has blocked independent teams going into Syria to look for evidence into the use of nerve gas.

Nerve gas has been banned and it's use illegal for nearly s century.

[arista]

Every effort has been made to sort this out with talks, it's Russia that's has blocked independent teams going into Syria to look for evidence into the use of nerve gas.

Nerve gas has been banned and it's use illegal for nearly s century.


Infact not blocked by their own ideas,
that not many others in UN would agree.

[arista]

Meanwhile The Russian and the Syrian Planes
will continue Normal air bombs today killing
all ISIS but also all innocents , near them.
Including Children.


Best is to move out
let ISIS remain alone.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/04/536x302/skynews-trump-syria_4282278.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180414135317

[Tom4784]

Such an attack shouldn't have happened without approval from Parliament and Congress, this is the kind of attack that could so easily incite World War 3.

Have we not learned from our previous wars in the Middle East that nothing good comes from meddling in that region?

[Brillopad]

As far as I know the aim was to destroy their chemical weapon factories, not to specifically kill anyone. There's still the danger it will lead to things we don't want, like further conflict and migrants heading westward.

We don’t want either!

[arista]

Such an attack shouldn't have happened without approval from Parliament and Congress, this is the kind of attack that could so easily incite World War 3.

Have we not learned from our previous wars in the Middle East that nothing good comes from meddling in that region?


Dezzy
No one died
it was attacking Empty Chemical Building Plants.
4AM Syria time

Russia was made aware of these attacks

France , UK and the Leader USA
have not started WW3.

WW3 will start with other nations ,
I SAY.

[Maru]

Such an attack shouldn't have happened without approval from Parliament and Congress, this is the kind of attack that could so easily incite World War 3.

Have we not learned from our previous wars in the Middle East that nothing good comes from meddling in that region?

That's a genuine concern I think. Under most any other president, I think the prior lessons from our failures in Iraq would almost certainly be adhered to. I do think that Trump times these military events with local scandals, as it always seems to come with incredibly negative news coverage and so I feel like that's a side interest that can become a costly distraction... and I actively worry he's not of the good mind to carry forward a mission in Syria that is actually meaningful and successful. Actually, with every conflict like this, it does affect the US political/cultural climate locally (particularly our national psyche)... and I worry that he's not considering the psychological impact of these military actions, in a time when people are more seriously concerned about the state of our own democracy. My concern is if we were to then encroach further into Syria (not really certain at this point) and do another Iraq, try to bring democracy/stability that region, it may actually further inflame those cultural divisions here and lead to more than a war of ideas, but perhaps violence on our own soil by some of our own...

I wish I could say I was exaggerating with the latter. There aren't signs yet that the cultural bonds there have been disintegrated that far... but long-term it is a concern, as the divide and fractures continue to accumulate, that we aren't then doing things to reverse this process... and I do feel that a war, especially a badly executed PR mission, could be a genuine block on those cultural tensions between Americans being able to release and recede...

I think we had entered into Syria too late. I think the timing is a bit poor, but it doesn't mean we don't have options... and if it is limited to strikes and diplomacy, it may very well do some good in the region.

What can't continue is allowing Russia to push our leadership around and to have their way throughout across the world. NK and Iran are also an issue that will need to be dealt with over time, and if this strike creates further incentive to work with us rather than against us... then I think that some military action may not only be in order, but necessary to keep all parties invested in peace...

[bots]

let's take a little look back to the last few years.

Syria used chemical weapons, we tried countless times to get UN inspectors in, but this was vetoed by the russians SIX TIMES. When we did put sufficient pressure on to get things done, it was Russia that brokered the deal "removing" the chemical weapons.

Here we are now in the present day, and chemical weapons have been used again.Death from chemical weapons is horrific. It is unnecessarily cruel. To sit back and do nothing just because Russia says piss off, is to capitulate globally because having done it once and not faced consequences, they will just do it again, and again and again.


We can't just sit there and take this type of thing and surrender to what is a bully

[reece(:]

It should’ve gone to parliament, Miss May is getting trigger happy

[arista]

It should’ve gone to parliament, Miss May is getting trigger happy


Its a one off.
The PM appears to get away with it,
maybe due to France and
the Leader USA.

Monday Afternoon
she will be ready for Parliament.

2022 The General Election
she even wants to hang on for that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola said that parliament should decide things like this not the American President

[arista]

Nicola said that parliament should decide things like this not the American President


Yes fair point

[Scarlett.]

BBC/Sky/Fox/CNN right now

r3BO6GP9NMY

[Kizzy]

There's nothing like dying children to make me want to send the bombers in.

Since when has may cared about those?..

https://www.indy100.com/article/people-are-reminding-theresa-may-about-her-refusal-to-accept-child-refugees-in-2016-8304756

[Brillopad]

It should’ve gone to parliament, Miss May is getting trigger happy

Since when have many of the young ones on here given two hoots about the opinions of the ‘old farts’ in parliament. What do you suggest - allowing countries to use chemical weapons on innocent civilians until that is they try doing so to us. :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

Since when have many of the young ones on here given two hoots about the opinions of the ‘old farts’ in parliament. What do you suggest - allowing countries to use chemical weapons on innocent civilians until that is they try doing so to us. :rolleyes:

Weren't you just discussing ageism?... Reeces post was entirely reasonable and valid and you denigrate him for his view because he is young with your unfounded presumptions? :/

[Brillopad]

Weren't you just discussing ageism?... Reeces post was entirely reasonable and valid and you denigrate him for his view because he is young with your unfounded presumptions? :/

I commented in regard to what I have seen as the common young perspective on here from many of their ageist comments/posts before. Suddenly the old farts’ (a term, and equivalent I have heard myself on many occasions) opinions count. Very convenient.

[user104658]

I commented in regard to what I have seen as the common young perspective on here from many of their ageist comments/posts before. Suddenly the old farts’ (a term, and equivalent I have heard myself on many occasions) opinions count. Very convenient.This is a bit out there Brillo... It's directed at nothing, for one... And even if it was the case, it seems to be based on the idea that MPs are all old, which isn't even true.

[Kazanne]

Corbyn will be rubbing his hands with glee,any opportunity to have a go at May and he is there like a ferret up a trouser leg, he just wants to come across as caring and peaceful,yeah right.

[Brillopad]

Corbyn will be rubbing his hands with glee,any opportunity to have a go at May and he is there like a ferret up a trouser leg, he just wants to come across as caring and peaceful,yeah right.

Unfortunately, some are easily fooled when they hear what they want to hear. Idealism is often not rational.

[Vicky.]

985112350469607424

:joker:

How true..

[Maru]

France issues report detailing evidence of Assad role in chemical attacks
http://thehill.com/policy/international/383188-france-issues-report-detailing-evidence-of-assad-role-in-chemical

France issues report detailing evidence of Assad role in chemical attacks

France declassified a report on Saturday laying out evidence that officials said proves that a chemical attack in Syria last week was carried out by the government of President Bashar Assad.

The report claims that several chemical strikes were carried out in the Damascus suburb of Douma on April 7, and that symptoms experienced by the victims — skin burns, suffocation and other breathing difficulties, among other markers — were consistent with the effects of chlorine gas.

"Reliable intelligence indicates that Syrian military officials have coordinated what appears to be the use of chemical weapons containing chlorine on Douma, on April 7," the report, released by the French Foreign Ministry, reads.

The report also states that the Syrian government has carried out a number of chemical weapons strikes since April 4, 2017 — the same day a chemical attack in Syria's northern Idlib province left more than 80 civilians dead.

The U.S. issued an assessment on Friday night pointing to the Syrian government's role in the alleged chemical attacks in Douma.

That report cites "multiple media sources, the reported symptoms experienced by victims, videos and images showing two assessed barrel bombs from the attack, and reliable information indicating coordination between Syrian military officials before the attack."

The assessment also suggests that the Syrian government not only used chlorine in the attack on Douma, but that reported symptoms were also consistent with exposure to sarin, a deadly nerve agent.
The French and U.S. assessments came hours after leaders in Washington, Paris and London authorized "precision strikes" on targets in Syria believed to be associated with the country's chemical weapons arsenal.

Syria and its allies, Russia and Iran, have denied that Assad's government used chemical weapons, and have sought to blame both foreign actors and militant groups for staging the attacks in Douma.
Russia has accused the U.S. and its allies of failing to produce adequate evidence of the Syrian government's role in the chemical attack.

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international chemical weapons watchdog, launched an investigation into the alleged chemical strikes on Douma on Saturday.

The allied strikes on Friday were cast by U.S. officials, not as a punishment for Assad's government, but as a means to eradicate Syria's chemical stockpile and production capabilities.

Lt. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the director of the Joint Staff, said Saturday that while the allied attacks dealt a blow to Syria's chemical weapons program, Damascus likely retained "residual" elements of its chemical arsenal.

President Trump and other U.S. officials have said that they are prepared to take further action in Syria, unless Assad's government ceases its alleged use of chemical weapons.

[Brillopad]

How true..

I don’t think there is any nastiness intended in that - people just want to protect their own and their own way of life. People would prefer to help in other ways. We are a small Island and given time, probably not very long, the country will change too much and lose its identity - I don’t think that’s what many want - and they have every right to feel that way - most countries do if honest.

[Brother Leon]

Corbyn will be rubbing his hands with glee,any opportunity to have a go at May and he is there like a ferret up a trouser leg, he just wants to come across as caring and peaceful,yeah right.

Yeah. The guy who has been against meddling in affairs in the Middle East his entire political career is only speaking out because it will make Theresa May look bad...

Solid logic there.

[Twosugars]

Corbyn will be rubbing his hands with glee,any opportunity to have a go at May and he is there like a ferret up a trouser leg, he just wants to come across as caring and peaceful,yeah right.

It's odd how antiwar noises in this country are usually made by the left wing.
Whereas in US, at least this time round, it's the right wing, Trump supporters who are unhappy with the Syria strikes. Fox News, Braitbart etc take a very critical view of Trump getting involved there.

[Brillopad]

It's odd how antiwar noises in this country are usually made by the left wing.
Whereas in US, at least this time round, it's the right wing, Trump supporters who are unhappy with the Syria strikes. Fox News, Braitbart etc take a very critical view of Trump getting involved there.

I have to ask myself why some people, as you say usually on the left, are against military retaliation in this kind of situation. Is it because they are more concerned about the potential effects on themselves, especially with Russia involved, than the people in Syria?

Talking to the likes of Assad or Putin won’t work, it hasn’t so far as they simply shows defiance in response. Attacking people with chemical weapons is inexcusable and something the West has to be involved in for everyone’s sake. If some dictators are seen to be getting away with it some other dictator will try it on too.

The implication some try to make that the left care more than the right is ridiculous as self-preservation could be the motive either way - it is definitely not an indication they are morally superior. Pretty sick of the impression some try to give - tantamount to patting each other on the back and saying what a good boy/girl am I.

[Maru]

It's odd how antiwar noises in this country are usually made by the left wing.
Whereas in US, at least this time round, it's the right wing, Trump supporters who are unhappy with the Syria strikes. Fox News, Braitbart etc take a very critical view of Trump getting involved there.

Are they? I follow a fair few outlets (and other notable folk) on the right and most seem to be on board with the strikes and can appreciate us finally having responded to Syria/Russia beyond just candor.

I think the media platforms themselves are playing their cards closer to their chest (for now), as they were somewhat subdued during live coverage when they were discussing the strikes. (CNN though wouldn't shut up about Trump's tweets :laugh:)

Fox News seemed to be level-headed/supportive of those strikes that night. However, I think no one wants to be seen as warmongering, and who can really blame them after the public's sharp reversal during the Iraq War. That was partially how we ended up with Obama in office, because he ran completely counter to Bush's foreign policy... it's what propelled him to top of the Democrat ticket and his anti-war policies were a big deal for his base.

Now Trump staunchest supporters, yes, they're irritated because he's backed away from a lot of his campaign promises. One of those included us being pulled out of major military operations abroad and focusing on domestic. His reversal on gun control and his waffling on immigration is still stinging for other folk as well... I think Breitbart may have fit those shoes, given they were the unofficial Trump news platform before the election and were on board with his then policies... and perhaps they still feel they are the "direct line" to his base.

[Kazanne]

Yeah. The guy who has been against meddling in affairs in the Middle East his entire political career is only speaking out because it will make Theresa May look bad...

Solid logic there.

No BL something I have noticed,even when there are political appeals by the parties on TV ,the labour ones always has to have a swipe at the Tories ,as for the topic in question,the job is done ,sometimes waiting isn't an option.I think she did the right thing.

[bots]

People seem to be concerned about this as it may escalate things into a bigger issue. That's simply not the case. If Putin wants to escalate things, he will do so (and has been doing so in the recent past). He doesn't need a reason. Putin is someone who has killed more of his own people than any foreign country, so a couple of missiles fired that had no impact on his country is meaningless. How people can forget so quickly incidents like the dutch civilian jet that was shot down by Russian forces killing hundreds is scary. We should never back down to Putin.

[MTVN]

There has always been a strand of the right in both countries which doesn't like foreign intervention, mainly those on the libertarian wing. The hard left have a world view which is generally anti-Western which they phrase as 'anti-colional' or 'anti-Imperialist' which leads them to oppose pretty much every military action no matter the circumstances. The centre-left are a bit more favourable to it as we had with Blair and as they have in France with Macron and Hollande before him.

I don't really want us to get involved because this is how major conflicts start - one incident in a far off country which we have no direct involvement with but affects the global balance of power. I do accept that in the case of chemical weapons we do have a bit of responsibility though

[Brother Leon]

No BL something I have noticed,even when there are political appeals by the parties on TV ,the labour ones always has to have a swipe at the Tories ,as for the topic in question,the job is done ,sometimes waiting isn't an option.I think she did the right thing.

Errm. Did you have a look at any of Theresa May’s campaign last election?

Her whole campaign was basically just Corbyn slander to the extent that people didn’t even know her policies.

[Headie]

WWIII here we come ladies
http://i.imgur.com/Qrgwvdr.gif

Not prepared to perch a bomb shelter

https://i.imgur.com/wKAX1NS.gif

:joker:

[Twosugars]

I have to ask myself why some people, as you say usually on the left, are against military retaliation in this kind of situation. Is it because they are more concerned about the potential effects on themselves, especially with Russia involved, than the people in Syria?

Talking to the likes of Assad or Putin won’t work, it hasn’t so far as they simply shows defiance in response. Attacking people with chemical weapons is inexcusable and something the West has to be involved in for everyone’s sake. If some dictators are seen to be getting away with it some other dictator will try it on too.

The implication some try to make that the left care more than the right is ridiculous as self-preservation could be the motive either way - it is definitely not an indication they are morally superior. Pretty sick of the impression some try to give - tantamount to patting each other on the back and saying what a good boy/girl am I.
I think there's a fair amount of feeling superior on both sides. The right wing tend to feel superior because they claim they stand for tradition, common sense and against what they call dangers posed by unrealistic and idealistic left.
Why the left is antiwar? I think what MTVN says about being anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist is important. The left also draws on socialist ideals which tend to be very internationalist, i.e. looking for common ground with others first, and claiming that wars are usually lose-lose situations.
Downside to these admirable principles is that the left may (and often is) seen as weak on defence and security.

[Twosugars]

Are they? I follow a fair few outlets (and other notable folk) on the right and most seem to be on board with the strikes and can appreciate us finally having responded to Syria/Russia beyond just candor.

I think the media platforms themselves are playing their cards closer to their chest (for now), as they were somewhat subdued during live coverage when they were discussing the strikes. (CNN though wouldn't shut up about Trump's tweets :laugh:)

Fox News seemed to be level-headed/supportive of those strikes that night. However, I think no one wants to be seen as warmongering, and who can really blame them after the public's sharp reversal during the Iraq War. That was partially how we ended up with Obama in office, because he ran completely counter to Bush's foreign policy... it's what propelled him to top of the Democrat ticket and his anti-war policies were a big deal for his base.

Now Trump staunchest supporters, yes, they're irritated because he's backed away from a lot of his campaign promises. One of those included us being pulled out of major military operations abroad and focusing on domestic. His reversal on gun control and his waffling on immigration is still stinging for other folk as well... I think Breitbart may have fit those shoes, given they were the unofficial Trump news platform before the election and were on board with his then policies... and perhaps they still feel they are the "direct line" to his base.
Have a look at this assessment, Maru. How does it agree with your view from America?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/13/syria-intervention-conservative-rightwing-opposition-trump
And in general, Fox News hosts pushed back on the president’s bellicose remarks, largely evincing an anti-war sentiment. New recruit Tomi Lahren counseled Trump in her final thoughts segment to “remember that it’s America first”, and demanded that the US pull out of Syria entirely.

[Maru]

Have a look at this assessment, Maru. How does it agree with your view from America?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/13/syria-intervention-conservative-rightwing-opposition-trump

I guess I need to watch more Fox News. :laugh: I think there are some are quite valid arguments for a full pull out. Though I wouldn't exactly go to Alex Jones/Richard Spencer/Ann Coulter for my news :laugh:...

This tweet made me feel quite a bit emotional...

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Sarah Huckabee Sanders Clarifies Syria ‘Situation Room’ Photo
http://www.newsweek.com/sarah-huckabee-sanders-syria-situation-room-donald-trump-886464

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I don't know, just seemed kind of Kim Jong Un-ish. "Lookz at our mad war skillz y'all"...

My concern though is if we do a full pull out, it may inevitably hand Syria to Russia to take control/wreak havoc in that region. Assad be damned.

Also very interesting bit from your article...

As for Fox News, according to the political scientist and conservative media expert Dan Cassino, anti-globalism is also the flavor of the month there.

He thinks they have been chasing the audience discovered and nurtured by outlets like Breitbart and Infowars. Indeed, Breitbart’s audience has drifted back to Fox as presenters like Carlson have found ways to make alt-right-adjacent ideology “palatable to advertisers”.

[Twosugars]

The thing is, Maru, Syria has always been in the Russian sphere of influence. Putin is trying to hold on to it, like in old good communist empire times. He won't be chased off. He seems to be determined to reclaim as much former "glory" as possible, e.g. spoiling the west influence in Ukraine, war with Georgia, grabbing back Crimea, destabilizing the west by covert means so that he can divide and rule. He discovered Russia doesn't have to compete economically. It can make mischief.

[Kizzy]

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[chuff me dizzy]

Ideas on this folks ...............

https://www.rt.com/news/424047-russian-mod-syria-statement/

[kirklancaster]

There has always been a strand of the right in both countries which doesn't like foreign intervention, mainly those on the libertarian wing. The hard left have a world view which is generally anti-Western which they phrase as 'anti-colional' or 'anti-Imperialist' which leads them to oppose pretty much every military action no matter the circumstances. The centre-left are a bit more favourable to it as we had with Blair and as they have in France with Macron and Hollande before him.

I don't really want us to get involved because this is how major conflicts start - one incident in a far off country which we have no direct involvement with but affects the global balance of power. I do accept that in the case of chemical weapons we do have a bit of responsibility though

^ Well said.

[Oliver_W]

tbh I think it's more likely to have been done by "moderates" or rebels in Syria than have been staged.

[Twosugars]

Ideas on this folks ...............

https://www.rt.com/news/424047-russian-mod-syria-statement/

Thanks, Chuff.

I'm not buying it. Two witnesses could have been bought.
But this bit is very curious:
Russia hoped that international monitors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is due to investigate the circumstances of the incident, will help establish the truth.
Russia needs to make up its mind on OPCW. They questioned OPCW's conclusion on Novichok in Salisbury. So OPCW was "wrong" in Salisbury but will be believed in Syria?

[chuff me dizzy]

Thanks, Chuff.

I'm not buying it. Two witnesses could have been bought.
But this bit is very curious:

Russia needs to make up its mind on OPCW. They questioned OPCW's conclusion on Novichok in Salisbury. So OPCW was "wrong" in Salisbury but will be believed in Syria?

The news report and video was from REUTERS not some cheap red top newspaper ,I spotted a red flag on it right away

[Crimson Dynamo]

Abbott has been tweeting fake anti-Israeli images

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5620881/Diane-Abbott-posts-FAKE-image-Israeli-fighter-jet-bombing-Iran.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/16/12/4B3665F500000578-5620881-image-a-42_1523879744947.jpg

she really is a disgusting bigot

[Oliver_W]

Abbott has been tweeting fake anti-Israeli images

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5620881/Diane-Abbott-posts-FAKE-image-Israeli-fighter-jet-bombing-Iran.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/16/12/4B3665F500000578-5620881-image-a-42_1523879744947.jpg

she really is a disgusting bigot
Two thoughts/facts:
1) she does not deserve online abuse (as in actual abuse, like racism or misogyny) being sent her way on Twitter or elsewhere
2) she is an absolute joke of an MP, and especially of a Shadow Cabinet Member, and embarrasses Labour almost every time she opens her mouth

[bots]

Abbott does the labour party an enormous disservice consistently and the fact that Corbyn considers her a viable home secretary shows clearly that he lacks judgement.

[chuff me dizzy]

Abbott does the labour party an enormous disservice consistently and the fact that Corbyn considers her a viable home secretary shows clearly that he lacks judgement.

2 Idiots together !!

[kirklancaster]

2 Idiots together !!

:nono: You forgot the word HUMONGOUS Chuff - It's 2 humongous idiots 'together'. :laugh:

[Withano]

Yh good one guys. Tories set airstrikes on Syria so lets discuss individual Labour members. Thats relevant, and super grown up of you.

[kirklancaster]

Yh good one guys. Tories set airstrikes on Syria so lets discuss individual Labour members. Thats relevant, and super grown up of you.

Abbott's comments about the thread TOPIC were brought into the thread which makes any response to them RELEVANT - joshing or otherwise.

[Withano]

Abbott's comments about the thread TOPIC were brought into the thread which makes any response to them RELEVANT - joshing or otherwise.

:nono: You forgot the word HUMONGOUS Chuff - It's 2 humongous idiots 'together'. :laugh:

Theres nothing relevant about this (and a few other posts). I mean obviously. You knew this, we didnt need this chat.