CBB To Say Sorry Over Race Row (and related threads merged)

[chaz12322]

there was racism in the cbb house sky sources say

[Red Moon]

Do you have any more details?

[Red Moon]

CBB To Say Sorry Over Race Row
Celebrity Big Brother will have to broadcast a series of on-air apologies for the Shilpa Shetty race row affair, Sky sources have learned.
Sky has also been told that footage of a racist limerick read out by contestant Jade Goody on the show did exist.
Shilpa Shetty

Producers Endemol had always denied the existence of such footage.

Ofcom will say Endemol breached the TV watchdog's code of conduct.

Goody, ex S-Club 7 singer Jo O'Meara and former Miss UK Danielle Lloyd were all accused of racially bullying the Bollywood actress during this year's show.

All denied they were racist.

In the unseen footage, Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed makes up a limerick about Shetty.

The limerick begins: "There once was a house that was happy, until......"

The four of them then joke about using a word which rhymes with "tacky".

Big Brother producers ask O'Meara and Tweed into the Diary Room and tell them: "It is clear that this was a reference to the racial insult `****'."

Both agree.

Ofcom singled out another three occasions on which Channel 4 had failed to handle the situation appropriately.

They were: Jade Goody referring to Shetty as "Shilpa Poppadom"; Lloyd saying that Shetty should "******* off home"; and the argument over Shetty cooking a chicken, which ended with Lloyd and O'Meara making derogatory comments about Indian eating habits.

Ed Richards, Ofcom chief executive, said: "An unprecedented number of complaints were received and, whilst Celebrity Big Brother was still on-air, we launched a full investigation.

"It is essential that broadcasters are able to air challenging and controversial material but in doing so they must have effective compliance procedures in place and must exercise their editorial duties responsibly."

Channel 4 will have to broadcast a summary of Ofcom's finding on three separate occasions.

This will be at the start of the first programme of the new series of Big Brother next Wednesday, the first re-versioned programme the following morning, and the first eviction show.

Endemol has not commented on the adjudication.

But Channel 4 said it accepted the ruling.

Chief executive Andy Duncan said: "We would like to say sorry once again for the offence caused to viewers as a result.

"Ofcom did not rule this material should not have been broadcast, but that we should have done more to contextualise it by challenging and reprimanding the offending housemates."
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Source:Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1267212,00.html)

[Mrluvaluva]

From Sky News

Celebrity Big Brother has been ordered to broadcast a series of embarrassing on-air apologies for the Shilpa Shetty race row affair.

TV watchdog Ofcom also said footage of an offensive, racist limerick, thought to have been made up and read out by contestant Jade Goody, did exist.

Shilpa ShettyProducers Endemol had always denied the existence of the footage.

Ofcom said Channel 4 breached the TV watchdog's code of conduct and made a "serious editorial misjudgement" by airing footage of a racist rant by contestant Goody.

A statutory sanction will also be imposed on Channel 4.

Goody, ex S-Club 7 singer Jo O'Meara and former Miss UK Danielle Lloyd were all accused of the racist bullying of the Bollywood actress during this year's show. All denied they were racist.

Goody is thought to have read out a limerick with the words: "This house used to be happy, until that effing ****."

It is not known what the final word was. But it is thought to have been ****.



So it was true then?

[Mrluvaluva]

Sorry. I didn't see it. You merged that one quick!

[Red Moon]

I'm bored..... LOL

Your story is slightly later and in more detail. Also you put yours in a different section from the orginal poster. Think it fits in better with Celebrity Big Brother.

[Mrluvaluva]

:thumbs: You never finished your report off anyway. Did you get bored? lol

[Red Moon]

Which report was that?

I'm dyslexic and I don't remember anything in the 1 week to 15 weeks range then it all comes flooding back.

[Mrluvaluva]

Your second post in this thread. It ends by saying "All denied they were racis......." :bigsmile:

[Red Moon]

See what you mean....... all sorted now and it's much longer.

Thanks :thumbs:

[Mrluvaluva]

Read the transcript here:

http://www1.sky.com/news/transcript.pdf

[BeeBee]

As we get excited to see the new opening titles, we'll first have to sit through Ofcom's findings after CBB got a pasting....

It's all on BBC news website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6687091.stm

xxx

:yuk:

[Mrluvaluva]

They have to apologise on air 3 times. There is going to be one before it starts.

[BeeBee]

As far as i'm concerned, this is just gonna hold up the new series....

BOOOOOOOOOOO! :bawling:

[Arneldo]

All this free publicity! Endemol must be happy.

[Red Moon]

See the politicians can't leave it alone.


Big Brother ruling welcome - Foster
24 May 2007

Responding to today’s announcement by Ofcom that Channel 4 has been found guilty of ‘serious editorial misjudgment’ over the Big Brother racism row, Liberal Democrat Shadow Culture, Media and Sport Secretary, Don Foster MP said:

"The unprecedented public interest in this incident, combined with previous Big Brother breaches of the broadcasting code, meant Ofcom had little choice but to act.

"Allegations of racist abuse and bullying must never be ignored and I welcome the tough but proportionate sanctions now imposed by Ofcom.

"While Channel 4 has learned lessons and is taking appropriate steps to avoid a recurrence, other broadcasters must now ensure that their own procedures will prevent similar incidents in their programmes.

"With the right compliance systems in place, broadcasters can still remain at the cutting edge of innovative and challenging programming. Ofcom’s decision should not lead to just bland and safe programmes."

Source:LibDems (http://www.libdems.org.uk/news/big-brother-ruling-welcome-foster.12655.html)

[Mrluvaluva]

Has anyone read the transcript? It is very enlightning.

[Arneldo]

Ive just finished reading it and i agree, it is very enlightening. I still by what Ive said throughout that Jade has got a lot of the blame for this while Jack, Jo & Danielle have got away with to a cert in extent.

This confirms that the P word was never said out front but a substitute word was used instead. I think Jades behaviour could be categorised as bullying, bitching & stupidity, while i believe that some of Jo's comments could be categorized as borderline racist, maybe some might have crossed that line.

I think Jo's & jacks diary room conversations where very interesting, Jo's especially.

I wonder why a transcript of a diary room conversation with Danielle wasn't released.

[Mrluvaluva]

Jack was well in the wrong too.

[Chrizzle]

Very intresting.
Those transcripts explain a lot. Jack in my opinion was definately the worst, and Jo.

Its a shame becuase Cleo was innocently playing the game, and didnt understand the second meaning lol. Bless

[spacebandit]

Very interesting indeed.

the TV regulator has now agreed that there was racism in the house, from the parties we all knew and accused of it in the first place.

So much for the "Jade would never do that" mantra being spouted by blind apologists.

Although the more disconcerting issue here is the obvious plan by endemol to edit out the worst of it, perhaps they thought they could ride out what they did broadcast - and for several months they have.

Now we know the truth, they were being racist, were called on it at the time, despite the denials of C4 and Endemol.

Endemol edited out what could arguably be called the worst incidents.

For those seeking to apologise for them, just...because a racist comment wasn't broadcast does not mean that the speaker was not racist.

It only means that a managerial decision was taken to hide it and cover it up, as the full report states, Brighter Pictures [the producers] logged comments as racist in their daily logs but did not inform C4 about this.

So now we have it, in black and white what some have known since CBB.

they are scum of the highest order

end of story.

[spacebandit]

On a related note Davina on Paul O'Grady said the police had been through every single tape of the show and had found no evidence of racism, now we know that is untrue.

Which means OFCOM had access to material the police must not have had as OFCOM have said the material they adjudicated on is racist.

So did Endemol lie to the police, withhold some tape ?

[Ruth]

Sooooo......they were racist after all, as most people could clearly see at the time. I can't say it surprises me - what does surprise me is that they have been told that they will have to apologise for what was said - I thought it would all be swept under the carpet.

It could well be that Endemol held certain material back from the police. Will their punishment be more than just an insincere apology I wonder?

[Mrluvaluva]

Didn't Endemol say that they would not hand tapes over and would go to court if necessary?

[Arneldo]

I'm confused about the whole thing.

From what Ive read Jade, Jack, Jo & Dani where all wrong in what they said. Jo, Jack & Danielle said some thing which, imo, where racist. I don't think anything Jade has said was racist. Although i do think she acted like a jealous bully. I feel disappointed by Endemol. I don't see why they lied to the police and didn't hand over all tapes. Maybe its good n away because if this had come out when this was a big talking point i think they could have gotten more then a slap on the wrist and asked to say sorry. I see a lot of people are bringing up what Davina said on O'Grady, but i don't think you can really hold it against her. She just repeated what she was told.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I'm confused about the whole thing.

From what Ive read Jade, Jack, Jo & Dani where all wrong in what they said. Jo, Jack & Danielle said some thing which, imo, where racist. I don't think anything Jade has said was racist. Although i do think she acted like a jealous bully. I feel disappointed by Endemol. I don't see why they lied to the police and didn't hand over all tapes. Maybe its good n away because if this had come out when this was a big talking point i think they could have gotten more then a slap on the wrist and asked to say sorry. I see a lot of people are bringing up what Davina said on O'Grady, but i don't think you can really hold it against her. She just repeated what she was told.

Yes, but don't you think they should have had to do more than just give an apology? They were there denying that anything racist had ever been said, and now it turns out that they were talking c**p. And effectively they've got away with it.:bored:

I agree with your point about Davina. I doubt that she personally was lying; she was probably saying what she believed to be true. She's just endemol's puppet anyway.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Arneldo
I'm confused about the whole thing.

From what Ive read Jade, Jack, Jo & Dani where all wrong in what they said. Jo, Jack & Danielle said some thing which, imo, where racist. I don't think anything Jade has said was racist. Although i do think she acted like a jealous bully. I feel disappointed by Endemol. I don't see why they lied to the police and didn't hand over all tapes. Maybe its good n away because if this had come out when this was a big talking point i think they could have gotten more then a slap on the wrist and asked to say sorry. I see a lot of people are bringing up what Davina said on O'Grady, but i don't think you can really hold it against her. She just repeated what she was told.

Yes, but don't you think they should have had to do more than just give an apology? They were there denying that anything racist had ever been said, and now it turns out that they were talking c**p. And effectively they've got away with it.:bored:

I agree with your point about Davina. I doubt that she personally was lying; she was probably saying what she believed to be true. She's just endemol's puppet anyway.

Well, what else can they do?

[spacebandit]

To clairify something I posted re. Davina on Paul O Grady -

not suggesting Davina lied herself per se, I was suggesting she spouted the Endemol party line and saying what she was told to say / what she had been told - when the subject came up.

But the OFCOM report raises some pretty serious questions about Endemols co-operation with the police investigation.

[Mrluvaluva]

They didn't release the tapes because BB is now headline news again less than 1 week before BB8 launch. How convenient. More free press. Coincidence?

[eyeonu]

according to C5 news they will have to apologise 3 times for the race row in January!!

They will have to apologise on....

1.launch night
2.Highlights of launch
3.First eviction

Do you think they should still have to?

[Jake!]

Please type using the correct case - post removed - Red

[Captain.Remy]

and why do they have to apologise about the launch night ? and the first eviction ? :conf2:

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by eyeonu
according to C5 news they will have to apologise 3 times for the race row in January!!

They will have to apologise on....

1.launch night
2.Highlights of launch
3.First eviction

Do you think they should still have to?

I suppose if you see it as being BB's fault. But yes i think they should just to shut up all those people who are going to be moaning

[Jake!]

Please type using the correct case - post removed - Red

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by sunshine30
and why do they have to apologise about the launch night ? and the first eviction ? :conf2:

Not about the lauch night or eviction, on the launch night and eviction. They must apologise about the whole racism row thing

[eyeonu]

apparently there's been protests in India about the show returning!

[Stu]

Originally posted by sunshine30
and why do they have to apologise about the launch night ? and the first eviction ? :conf2:
No thats when they will HAVE to apologise.



TheY ShoulD ApologieS FoR ThE WaY It wAs HandleD


Isint that what their doing?

[Mrluvaluva]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=59490

[Stu]

Originally posted by eyeonu
apparently there's been protests in India about the show returning!
Oh bugger off. Their not gonna be getting it over their anyway.

[Revol]

Are people still upset over CBB5? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. CBB5 is finished, Shilpa has forgiven Jade, Danielle and Jo, just let sleeping dogs lie!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ~~
They didn't release the tapes because BB is now headline news again less than 1 week before BB8 launch. How convenient. More free press. Coincidence? This is a very good point that seems to have been overlooked.

It is very strange that they have decided to release the tapes at this moment in the year. There's no way it's a coincidence. This is yet another example of the £ndemol cash machine rolling onl.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by ~~
They didn't release the tapes because BB is now headline news again less than 1 week before BB8 launch. How convenient. More free press. Coincidence? This is a very good point that seems to have been overlooked.

It is very strange that they have decided to release the tapes at this moment in the year. There's no way it's a coincidence. This is yet another example of the £ndemol cash machine rolling onl.
They were ordered to release the tapes by Ofcom. It was in Ofcoms ruling. Endemol are trying to remove the stigma of CBB5 from BB8 anyway. And this is done delibaretely on OFCOMS part if you ask me to thwart their least favourite show.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by eyeonu
apparently there's been protests in India about the show returning! Why dont they just piss off, they think burning things which represents people solves things

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by eyeonu
apparently there's been protests in India about the show returning!
Well what are they going to do, its and ENGLISH show not some indian show! They cant stop us from watching what we want! If they had a show which was racist towards us we wouldnt walk around the streets protesting and burning things
they cant do anything so why even bother?

[Stu]

Admin deleted: A big generalisation. Could be offensive. James

[Red Moon]

Big Brother bullying: the words you never heard

Here is a transcript of the unaired footage from Celebrity Big Brother which Ofcom said today was part of the 'racist bullying' of the Indian actress, Shilpa Shetty, by her housemates

Tuesday, January 16, 23:18:

Danielle Lloyd has emerged from the Diary Room a few hours after an argument with Shilpa Shetty. She is talking to Jade Goody, Jo O’Meara, Jack Tweed and Cleo Rocos. Jade Goody asks her why she was called in.

Jade: Did you use the ‘P’ word?

Danielle: What’s the ‘P’ word?

Jack: It rhymes with ‘tacky’.

Jo: Keep it nice and discreet there, Jack.

Danielle: I don’t know.

Jade: When the argument was going on, did you use the ‘P’ word that rhymes with ‘tacky’?

Danielle: No.

Jade: That’s what I thought. I thought, I can imagine her saying that under her breath or something.

Danielle: I don’t use them words.

Tuesday, January 16, 23:40:

Half an hour later, the housemates return to the subject.

Jo: There once was a house that was happy, and then there entered...

Cleo: You’re all going to go to Big Brother prison.

Danielle: How do you know what?

Cleo: And you’re going to need me.

Jo: But it ends with a nappy. What’s wrong with you people?

Jack: But if you say, ’Along came some people who were tacky...’

Jade: There once was a house that was happy, until...

Jack: They made it really tacky.

Jade: Until there entered a... until there entered a ...

Jo: Strappy ... Strap-on.

Jack: Strap-on.

Jade: No, no, no, there once was a house that was happy...

Jo: Until someone got yappy...

Jade: Yes. There once was a house that was happy, until someone got yappy.

Jack: She nearly killed everyone with a chicken.

Cleo: But everything ended up finger-lickin’.

Jo: Now you’ve got to do something that rhymes with a nappy.

Cleo: Oh, God, don’t give that to Danielle, for God’s sake.

Danielle: And it all ended up - being crappy.

Cleo: Oh, dear me.

Jo: Right.

Danielle: That could have been rather disturbing, that.

Jo: That was a good one.

Wednesday, January 17, 00:13:

Goody is still fuming about her argument with Shilpa Shetty.

Jo: She said, ‘You know what Jade, this is going to be your claim to fame’.

Jade: Because she’s a god.

Danielle: Is that what she said?

Jo: Yeah, she did.

Jade: ‘This is going to be your claim to fame.’

Jo: ‘This is going to be your claim to fame.’

Jade: (inaudible) I don’t know her surname. Shilpa Pashwa ********** whoever you are, Shilpa Poppadom, I ********** ... ooh.

Jack: Stop it.

Jo: Calm down. It’s finished.

Jade: I am fuming and I know that it’s not going to lie, because I know, when I look at her tomorrow, I’m going to be feeling sick. I cannot stay... I cannot stay in this house and I will never walk...

Jo: There was a young girl from Bombay...

Jade: No, let’s not do that. I will not walk, because I’ve never let it get to me, but I tell you what, if I go, that will probably be the best thing for me - a bloody godsend - because I’ll end up smashing her head against... No, I won’t, because I’m not violent.

Source:The Times (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1837466.ece)

[Lil-Lindz]

well it does show some more racism, i dont understand why they held that back though

[Stu]

Thats not racism , its just stupidity and a bunch of people who are not smart enough to form a complexity of racism , or indeed anything above the likes of 'Does my butt look big in this'???

[Red Moon]

Channel Four Television Corporation in respect of its service Channel 4.

For

Breaches of the Ofcom Broadcasting Code:

Rule 2.3 – Broadcasters must when applying generally accepted standards ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context; and

Rule 1.3 – Children must also be protected by appropriate scheduling from unsuitable material.

On

15, 17, 18, 19 January 2007

Decision

To direct Channel Four (and S4C) to broadcast a statement of Ofcom’s findings in a form determined by Ofcom immediately before the start of the broadcast of the first programme of the eighth series of Big Brother on Channel 4; immediately before the start of the broadcast of the first re-versioned programme of the eighth series of Big Brother on Channel 4; and immediately before the start of the broadcast of the programme in which the first eviction from the eighth series of Big Brother occurs on Channel 4
.
Summary

1.1 On the basis detailed in the Decision, under powers delegated from the Ofcom Board to Ofcom’s Content Sanctions Committee (“the Committee”), the Committee has decided to impose a statutory sanction on Channel Four (and S4C) in light of the serious nature of the failure by Channel Four to ensure compliance with Ofcom’s Broadcasting Code.

1.2 This adjudication under the Broadcasting Code relates to the fifth series of Celebrity Big Brother. (Celebrity) Big Brother is produced by Brighter Pictures, part of Endemol UK plc (“Brighter Pictures”), and is broadcast by the Channel Four Television Corporation (“Channel Four” or “the broadcaster”) on its Channel 4 service. The Channel Four Big Brother series are also broadcast by S4C on its service. It started on 3 January 2007 and ran 26 days until 28 January 2007.

1.3 Big Brother is a reality based television show where celebrity contestants are confined together in a controlled environment (“the House”), for a set amount of time. Every room (with the exception of the toilets and shower rooms) and every contestant is recorded by cameras and microphones. Recording of all actions and conversations occurs 24 hours a day. Each week, contestants are nominated for eviction from the House. The ultimate decision as to who is to be evicted is then left to the public by means of voting via telephone or text. The last housemate left at the end of the series is the winner of the show.

1.4 As the fifth series progressed, disagreements began to develop between some of the housemates, in particular, between Shilpa Shetty on the one hand and Jade Goody, Jo O’Meara and Danielle Lloyd on the other. Viewers, and others who were aware of the events in the House, became increasingly concerned that Shilpa Shetty was being subjected to bullying, some alleging that the bullying was racist. Ofcom received just over 44,500 complaints about Celebrity Big Brother 2007.

1.5 Under the Communications Act 2003, Ofcom has a statutory duty to set standards for the content of broadcast television programmes in a Code with which broadcasters must comply. Ofcom must ensure broadcasters comply with the Code and perform its duties in light of the European Convention of Human Rights which provides for the right to freedom of expression. Ofcom must exercise its duties in light of these rights and not interfere with the exercise of these rights in broadcast services unless it is satisfied that the restrictions it seeks to apply are required by law and necessary to achieve a legitimate aim.

1.6 In setting standards for the content of broadcast television programmes, Ofcom requires broadcasters to ensure that “generally accepted standards” are applied to the content of television programmes so as to provide adequate protection from the inclusion of offensive or harmful material. Under Ofcom’s Broadcasting Code (“the Code”), broadcasters are required in applying these generally accepted standards to ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context. Context includes such matters as the editorial content of the programme, the service on which it is broadcast and the likely expectations of the audience.

1.7 In making its adjudication, Ofcom has taken account of representations made by Channel Four.

1.8 Channel Four is a public service broadcaster with a unique statutory remit to provide a broad range of high quality and diverse programming which, in particular: demonstrates innovation, experiment and creativity in the form and content of programmes; appeals to the tastes and interests of a culturally diverse society; makes significant contribution to meeting the need for the licensed public service channels to include programmes of an educational nature and other programmes of educative value; and exhibits a distinctive character.

1.9 Channel Four’s representations are fully considered and addressed in this adjudication below. In summary, Channel Four submitted that: the incidents broadcast were responsibly handled; appropriately scheduled and edited and justified by the context being within the expectations of the Big Brother audience. It maintained that the series had been in keeping with its statutory remit. It accepted and regretted that many viewers had been offended but submitted that important freedom of expression issues were at stake. Channel Four considered the debate stimulated by what occurred had been of “undeniable public value” regardless of the fact that it had not set out to create a national debate about racism. It believed that the broadcasts had been fully in compliance with the Code.

1.10 In considering whether there had been breaches of the Code, Ofcom recognises that material that is potentially offensive or harmful may be properly broadcast in compliance with the Code so long as its inclusion is justified by the context so as to provide adequate protection to members of the public. The Code does not prohibit the broadcast of potentially offensive or harmful material in any circumstances. What is essential for compliance with the Code is the way in which such material is transmitted by the broadcaster. Accordingly, in considering whether Channel Four has breached the Code in this instance, Ofcom’s starting point is not that material which is potentially offensive or harmful has been transmitted, but whether such material has been appropriately handled by Channel Four.

1.11 Ofcom has considered whether a number of events in the House were in compliance with the Broadcasting Code. It has found that there were three events which were broadcast during the series which were in breach of the Code (see paragraphs 8.1 – 8.38 below for a full explanation of the breach findings). Ofcom has found that in relation to the following three incidents, Channel Four failed to appropriately handle the material so as to adequately protect members of the public from offensive material:
Remarks about Cooking in India (transmitted 15 January 2007)
“**** off home” comment (transmitted 17 January 2007)
“Shilpa Poppadom” comment (transmitted 18 and 19 January 2007)

1.12 Ofcom has also found that in relation to a number of other incidents, Channel Four was either not in breach of the Code and on one occasion, Ofcom has found that the issue was resolved. See paragraphs 6.1 to 7.12 for Ofcom’s reasoning on these incidents.

1.13 Big Brother is an entertainment programme and viewers therefore perceive what happens in the House as “entertainment”, they also view it as “reality” i.e. they view the events as real events happening to real people. This means that the audience can genuinely become concerned for the welfare of housemates, but in the knowledge and expectation that any serious problematic or anti-social behaviour will be appropriately dealt with. This has become one of the generally accepted standards of Big Brother.

1.14 Channel Four in the Big Brother programme format has established various editorial mechanisms through which inappropriate behaviour in the House can be challenged. For instance, through discussion in the Diary Room, Big Brother can confront and reprimand housemates about their behaviour thereby acting as an important arbiter to what the public may perceive to be offensive language or behaviour. Reactions by housemates, Big Brother interventions and the Diary Room are all part of the well understood architecture of the programme and the context within which Channel Four is able to appropriately broadcast potentially offensive material.

1.15 However, in relation to the incidents outlined in 1.11 above Channel Four failed adequately to apply generally accepted standards by justifying the inclusion of the offensive material by its context. It is Ofcom’s view that when these three incidents were broadcast, Channel Four failed sufficiently to address the potential for offence or left this behaviour unchallenged. This resulted in offence being caused to a very large number of viewers.

1.16 Exceptionally, in the circumstances of this case, Ofcom judged that the relationship between the broadcast incidents and Channel Four’s overall awareness of the events within the House was relevant in terms of compliance. We therefore asked Channel Four to submit any relevant untransmitted material. In deciding whether to impose a sanction, Ofcom has taken into account, in addition to the incidents broadcast, this footage from the House which was not transmitted.

1.17 The events from this untransmitted footage occurred before the broadcast of two of the incidents (one of which was broadcast twice) which Ofcom has found to be in breach of the Code. This material included conversations between housemates which were instructive of the relationships, tensions and attitudes in the House at this particular time and were logged as “racist” at the time by Brighter Pictures, the producer.

1.18 Channel Four was not aware of this material at the relevant time and therefore was not able to take account of it when making its editorial decisions as to how to handle the broadcast of these two incidents. Channel Four has submitted that this was due to a breakdown in communications between itself and Brighter Pictures, which the broadcaster considers resulted from a failure by the producer to follow established procedures and therefore draw the material to Channel Four’s immediate attention. Whether this was the case or not, this does not excuse Channel Four from its obligations under its licence to comply with the Code. Ofcom considers that Channel Four’s compliance processes were clearly not adequate in light of this failure and that Channel Four should have been more proactive at this time in ensuring that it was aware of all relevant material.

1.19 Ofcom has found that there was a serious failure within Channel 4’s compliance procedures for the series which meant that it was not fully aware of the events in the House so that it could handle potentially offensive material through its editorial mechanisms. In our view, if Channel 4 had seen this material, at the time it was recorded, it would have handled the unfolding situation in the House very differently in order to ensure compliance with the Code.

1.20 Ofcom also considers that Channel Four failed in its handling of the incidents broadcast to take account of the cumulative effect of the events in the House. The audience’s understanding of the events in the House and, in particular, the alleged racist bullying, was changing as the series developed and therefore comments which may in other circumstances have been interpreted as “borderline” in terms of offence became much more offensive given what was happening in the House, as well as beyond the House, in the outside world.

1.21 Ofcom considers that the breaches by Channel Four of the Broadcasting Code when taken together show a serious failure to apply generally accepted standards.

1.22 In light of Ofcom’s findings and having taken into account the representations made by Channel Four, and all the evidence before it, the Committee has concluded that it should impose a statutory sanction on Channel Four (and S4C).

1.23 The Committee has taken into account in its decision as to the appropriate sanction to be applied both the fact that Channel Four acted promptly as soon as it became aware of the untransmitted material in exercising control over subsequent events in the House; and has carried out a full review of its compliance programme and put in place more comprehensive compliance procedures and guidelines.

1.24 The Committee has also taken into account the fact that the breaches did not result from deliberate, reckless or grossly negligent actions by Channel Four but rather represents a serious error of judgment in relation to material that requires the most careful handling.

1.25 The Committee has a range of statutory sanctions available to it. In this case the Committee considers that the most appropriate sanction is to require Channel Four (and S4C) to broadcast a statement of Ofcom’s findings in a form determined by Ofcom. Furthermore, the Committee decided that this should be broadcast on three separate occasions when it would reach the highest number of viewers. That is, at the start of the first programme of the new series of Big Brother and at the start of its re-versioned programme the following morning and also at the start of the first eviction show.

1.26 The Committee would take very seriously any future failure of compliance leading to a similar situation as that which the Committee has dealt with in this case.
Source:OFCOM (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/ocsc_adjud/channel4_cbb/)

[Red Moon]

Big Brother in racism ‘cover-up’
The future of Big Brother was hanging in the balance last night as Channel 4 faced accusations of a cover-up over racist bullying.

The channel’s head was defying calls to resign despite being ordered to screen an unprecedented three apologies after a damning report on the broadcaster’s failure to respond to the incidents.

New transcripts reveal that some of the contestants made up a racist limerick about the Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty that referred to the word “****”.

The scenes were never shown and Ofcom, the media watchdog, concluded that channel executives were unaware that the footage existed until three days later. Hertfordshire Police ended their investigation into alleged racist behaviour in March, saying that no further action would be taken. But officers were unaware that the footage existed because Channel 4 refused to hand over tapes of unbroadcast material. The police will now examine the transcripts.

Channel 4 could now face accusations of misleading the public over the existence of the secret footage.

Andy Duncan, the head of Channel 4, was ordered yesterday to screen the apologies for “serious editorial misjudgments” exposed during this year’s celebrity series of what is the channel’s most important show, which usually thrives on controversy.

He told The Times: “We accept that what occurred was racially offensive and we should have done more to challenge and reprimand the housemates. But the Channel 4 board is unanimous that this is not a resignation issue. It was a case of human error.” He added: “Ofcom recognised the power of Big Brother to raise social issues. We don’t want people to be afraid to express their opinions.”

On Wednesday 12 new contestants will start the latest series of the show, which attracts up to 8 million viewers and contributes 10 per cent of Channel 4’s annual revenues. But, with Gordon Brown sizing up the channel for a £1 billion privatisation, its credentials as a public-service broadcaster will come under scrutiny.

The row centred on the alleged bullying of Shetty by her fellow contestants Jade Goody, the model Danielle Lloyd and the singer Jo O’Meara. The furore prompted 46,000 complaints and became an international incident, drawing a reaction from Mr Brown.

Ofcom discovered that Channel 4’s grip on events was so lax that it often did not even know what was being said by contestants during the programme.

The watchdog has imposed an unprecedented “statutory sanction”. Channel 4 must broadcast an Ofcom-approved apology before three big programmes – the first show of the new series on Wednesday, the first show the next morning and the first eviction show. Channel 4 avoided a fine by accepting Ofcom’s verdict and an agreement to introduce a strict new compliance system for Big Brother, including a welfare producer to monitor housemates and “diversity” training for staff.

Ofcom cited three occasions on which Channel 4 failed to handle the events appropriately: Goody referring to Shetty as “Shilpa Poppadom”; Lloyd saying that Shetty should “******* off home”; and the argument over Shetty’s cooking that ended with Lloyd and O’Meara making derogatory comments about Indian eating habits.

Channel 4 breached the Broadcasting Code by failing to challenge racist behaviour that offended thousands of viewers and by offering no context or justification for its broadcast. Ofcom also made public the unseen footage which showed that housemates had joked about calling the actress a “****” in a limerick, before the row exploded on screen.

The incident was logged as “racist” by Brighter Pictures, the independent production company that makes Big Brother. But Channel 4 bosses said they were not told by producers about the atmosphere of increasing hostility for days.

‘Joke’ C4 tried not to tell

Transcript of unbroadcast Celebrity Big Brother footage from January 16 logged as racist:

O’Meara begins a limerick: “There once was a house that was happy, and then there entered . . .”

Goody “I’ve got a great one, but I’m not allowed to say it.”

Cleo Rocos “You’re all going to Big Brother prison.”

O’Meara “But it ends with ‘a nappy’. What’s wrong with you people?”

Jack Tweedy “But if you say ‘Along came some people who were tacky . . .’”

The “joke” carries on, with the housemates inviting each other to finish the limerick.

Rocos “Oh God, don’t give that to Danielle, for God’s sake.” Lloyd is called in to the Diary Room. The housemates debate why.

Goody “I think I know. I think maybe Danielle used the ‘P’ word . . . I can imagine her saying that under her breath.”

Lloyd emerges from the Diary Room and denies using the word.

On Jan 20 Big Brother calls Jo O’Meara into the Diary Room.

BB “Do you understand how it might have been considered racist to be using a rhyming slang that rhymed with ‘****’?”

Jo “Yeah, I can now, but do you know what, I didn’t really take much notice of it at the time.”

BB “Jo, as a result of this incident, Big Brother has no option but to issue you with your first and only formal warning. Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short conversation, off camera, with Steven, the psychologist.”
Source:The Times (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1837932.ece)

[nodisharmony]

Okay, Let's cut to the chase:pat:




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Celebrity Big Brother will have to broadcast a series of on-air apologies for the Shilpa Shetty race row affair, Sky sources have learned.

I can't see why that is necassary, as the case is closed?

Sky has also been told that footage of a racist limerick read out by contestant Jade Goody on the show did exist.

Where did this so-called evidence come from??

Producers Endemol had always denied the existence of such footage.

understandable

Ofcom will say Endemol breached the TV watchdog's code of conduct.

It is the job of Ofcom to do such things

Goody, ex S-Club 7 singer Jo O'Meara and former Miss UK Danielle Lloyd were all accused of racially bullying the Bollywood actress during this year's show.

So we saw and heard

All denied they were racist.

All were correct. None of them were racist

In the unseen footage Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed makes up a limerick about Shetty.

unseen?? I like that word.....

Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed makes up a limerick about Shetty.

Clever Jack...He can make a limerick


The limerick begins: "There once was a house that was happy, until......"

Yes, even I can work out what might come next

The four of them then joke about using a word which rhymes with "tacky".

Did they? and....?

Big Brother producers ask O'Meara and Tweed into the Diary Room and tell them: "It is clear that this was a reference to the racial insult `****'."

Endemol were doing their job then?? Spotting a harmless joke

Both agree.

They both are honest

Ofcom singled out another three occasions on which Channel 4 had failed to handle the situation appropriately.

I can assume from that quote, that Endemol is okay??

They were: Jade Goody referring to Shetty as "Shilpa Poppadom"; Lloyd saying that Shetty should "******* off home"; and the argument over Shetty cooking a chicken, which ended with Lloyd and O'Meara making derogatory comments about Indian eating habits.

Yes!! we saw them and all may have appeared to some, as having possible racial over-tones

Ed Richards, Ofcom chief executive, said: "An unprecedented number of complaints were received and, whilst Celebrity Big Brother was still on-air, we launched a full investigation.

That is very obvious to work out, as it was on the TV news and in nearly every Newspaper at the time. An Indian bollywood film actress had been attacked by words and comments from Jade, Jo & Danielle..(Investigation followed, as it was the procedure

"It is essential that broadcasters are able to air challenging and controversial material but in doing so they must have effective compliance procedures in place and must exercise their editorial duties responsibly."

Gambling with three girls lives over millions more viewing figures is very tempting. The rest is history

Channel 4 will have to broadcast a summary of Ofcom's finding on three separate occasions.

Good solicitors generally sort these small problems out. This shall apply here

This will be at the start of the first programme of the new series of Big Brother next Wednesday, the first re-versioned programme the following morning, and the first eviction show.

Good timing

Endemol has not commented on the adjudication.

Wise

But Channel 4 said it accepted the ruling.

That's big of them

Chief executive Andy Duncan said: "We would like to say sorry once again for the offence caused to viewers as a result.

Standard procedure really, over nothing that important!! (Murder, rape, terrorism, war), etc.. etc... Let's kind of place things into perspective, can we?

"Ofcom did not rule this material should not have been broadcast, but that we should have done more to contextualise it by challenging and reprimanding the offending housemates."

No comment....
_____________________________________________

Responding to today’s announcement by Ofcom that Channel 4 has been found guilty of ‘serious editorial misjudgment’ over the Big Brother racism row, Liberal Democrat Shadow Culture, Media and Sport Secretary, Don Foster MP said:

"The unprecedented public interest in this incident, combined with previous Big Brother breaches of the broadcasting code, meant Ofcom had little choice but to act.

Political response and very helpful...

"Allegations of racist abuse and bullying must never be ignored and I welcome the tough but proportionate sanctions now imposed by Ofcom.

racist bullying, not (bullying) remember that!!

"While Channel 4 has learned lessons and is taking appropriate steps to avoid a recurrence, other broadcasters must now ensure that their own procedures will prevent similar incidents in their programmes.

All white Housemates will treat all persons who are non-white with kid-gloves. That is a fact!!

"With the right compliance systems in place, broadcasters can still remain at the cutting edge of innovative and challenging programming. Ofcom’s decision should not lead to just bland and safe programmes."

How quaint and how much like a politician who is exactly like all the rest. (Politically correct)

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nodisharmony :angel:

[J.C.]

Some good points there Nodis, though I don't agree that Endemol thought the Limerick was merely a 'harmless joke'. So far I have only suggested that I thought there were racist undertones in the house but when I consider this limerick, who said it , about who, and the state of their friendship, I feel it can`t realistically be considered a harmless joke. It's easy to see from the transcript that they all immediately begin to backtrack by suggesting other words like nappy, strappy and crappy etc. These are all the signs of people who know they have just gone one step too far.
Anyway, I`m content that the ruling is likely to be fair and this is why I feel this next series will be the best.:thumbs:

[Glenn.]

Front page of the Daily Star. Story of the new race row revelations.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Okay, Let's cut to the chase:pat:




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Celebrity Big Brother will have to broadcast a series of on-air apologies for the Shilpa Shetty race row affair, Sky sources have learned.

I can't see why that is necassary, as the case is closed?

Sky has also been told that footage of a racist limerick read out by contestant Jade Goody on the show did exist.

Where did this so-called evidence come from??

Producers Endemol had always denied the existence of such footage.

understandable

Ofcom will say Endemol breached the TV watchdog's code of conduct.

It is the job of Ofcom to do such things

Goody, ex S-Club 7 singer Jo O'Meara and former Miss UK Danielle Lloyd were all accused of racially bullying the Bollywood actress during this year's show.

So we saw and heard

All denied they were racist.

All were correct. None of them were racist

In the unseen footage Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed makes up a limerick about Shetty.

unseen?? I like that word.....

Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed makes up a limerick about Shetty.

Clever Jack...He can make a limerick


The limerick begins: "There once was a house that was happy, until......"

Yes, even I can work out what might come next

The four of them then joke about using a word which rhymes with "tacky".

Did they? and....?

Big Brother producers ask O'Meara and Tweed into the Diary Room and tell them: "It is clear that this was a reference to the racial insult `****'."

Endemol were doing their job then?? Spotting a harmless joke

Both agree.

They both are honest

Ofcom singled out another three occasions on which Channel 4 had failed to handle the situation appropriately.

I can assume from that quote, that Endemol is okay??

They were: Jade Goody referring to Shetty as "Shilpa Poppadom"; Lloyd saying that Shetty should "******* off home"; and the argument over Shetty cooking a chicken, which ended with Lloyd and O'Meara making derogatory comments about Indian eating habits.

Yes!! we saw them and all may have appeared to some, as having possible racial over-tones

Ed Richards, Ofcom chief executive, said: "An unprecedented number of complaints were received and, whilst Celebrity Big Brother was still on-air, we launched a full investigation.

That is very obvious to work out, as it was on the TV news and in nearly every Newspaper at the time. An Indian bollywood film actress had been attacked by words and comments from Jade, Jo & Danielle..(Investigation followed, as it was the procedure

"It is essential that broadcasters are able to air challenging and controversial material but in doing so they must have effective compliance procedures in place and must exercise their editorial duties responsibly."

Gambling with three girls lives over millions more viewing figures is very tempting. The rest is history

Channel 4 will have to broadcast a summary of Ofcom's finding on three separate occasions.

Good solicitors generally sort these small problems out. This shall apply here

This will be at the start of the first programme of the new series of Big Brother next Wednesday, the first re-versioned programme the following morning, and the first eviction show.

Good timing

Endemol has not commented on the adjudication.

Wise

But Channel 4 said it accepted the ruling.

That's big of them

Chief executive Andy Duncan said: "We would like to say sorry once again for the offence caused to viewers as a result.

Standard procedure really, over nothing that important!! (Murder, rape, terrorism, war), etc.. etc... Let's kind of place things into perspective, can we?

"Ofcom did not rule this material should not have been broadcast, but that we should have done more to contextualise it by challenging and reprimanding the offending housemates."

No comment....
_____________________________________________

Responding to today’s announcement by Ofcom that Channel 4 has been found guilty of ‘serious editorial misjudgment’ over the Big Brother racism row, Liberal Democrat Shadow Culture, Media and Sport Secretary, Don Foster MP said:

"The unprecedented public interest in this incident, combined with previous Big Brother breaches of the broadcasting code, meant Ofcom had little choice but to act.

Political response and very helpful...

"Allegations of racist abuse and bullying must never be ignored and I welcome the tough but proportionate sanctions now imposed by Ofcom.

racist bullying, not (bullying) remember that!!

"While Channel 4 has learned lessons and is taking appropriate steps to avoid a recurrence, other broadcasters must now ensure that their own procedures will prevent similar incidents in their programmes.

All white Housemates will treat all persons who are non-white with kid-gloves. That is a fact!!

"With the right compliance systems in place, broadcasters can still remain at the cutting edge of innovative and challenging programming. Ofcom’s decision should not lead to just bland and safe programmes."

How quaint and how much like a politician who is exactly like all the rest. (Politically correct)

______________________________________________



nodisharmony :angel:

Wow, what an amazing example of ignoring the written word and bulldozing on blindly

Must be a kick in the nuts - all this time with the apologist mantra and the excuses - who could ever forget "part-time racist" ......... pure comedy gold :rolleyes:

only to have OFCOM investigate, including viewing the unbroadcast footage, and decide that, yes, there was racism at play in the house and one of the perpertrators was your heroine...the pig faced racist bigot

Whilst this is a serious matter...all that remains to be said regarding you is... :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Front page of the Daily Star. Story of the new race row revelations.

Shock!! Danielle isnt on the front page!!!

[Rory]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Shock!! Danielle isnt on the front page!!!
:laugh: Good one. Didn't OFCOM investigate every tape?

[Glenn.]

yeh

[Sticks]

I read the transcripts on the Sun Online site, and it does come across as "straining at a gnat", with the diary room conversations the HM's in question came across as bunnies in the spot light so naturally they were grunting OKs.

[Red Moon]

Seems it like it will affect the whole tone of BB8.

Well Done to jade and Co you could have messed up this years show!

BROTHER'S GRIM
EXCLUSIVE Contestants axed Racism cover-up Humiliating apology

THE new series of Big Brother was in chaos last night after repeated bust-ups between the show's makers and scandal-hit Channel 4.

The bitter dispute emerged as C4 bosses were yesterday ordered to make three grovelling on-screen apologies over the Celebrity Big Brother race row.

TV watchdog Ofcom slammed the broadcaster for "serious errors of judgment" and said it had covered up more disgusting racist attacks on Shilpa Shetty by Jade Goody and her brainless cohorts.

The damning ruling has thrown preparations for the start of next week's Big Brother 8 into disarray.

Desperate to keep the show - hosted by Davina McCall - scandal free, C4 bosses have rejected three contestants put forward by makers Endemol. They have also thrown out plans to encourage class warfare in the house by recruiting extreme individuals from different social groups.

One source said last night: "Channel 4 are trying to wrestle back control of the show and make sure there are no more scandals, but Endemol insists the programme will flop if there aren't any clashes or tension."

One contestant - described as the best housemate selected this year - was rejected because he had been arrested after a fight.

The source added: "He was a brilliant, cocky bloke - easily the best man we had. We booked him straight away but then had to drop him because he got into a fight.

"He may have to go to court and we couldn't risk him getting into a row in the house and then it emerging that we'd allowed him in as a contestant knowing that he'd been arrested in a bar brawl.

"Last year we'd have put him in. This year we don't dare. Other great would-be housemates have also been thrown out because of the extra psychology tests. Endemol wanted them in, but Channel 4 said no. Things are getting very heated."

BB8 begins next Wednesday, when Channel 4 will make the first of its apologies over January's Celebrity Big Brother. The race row sparked an international outcry and attracted a record 45,000 complaints from viewers.
Source:The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=brother-s-grim%26method=full%26objectid=19194206%26siteid=89 520-name_page.html)

[Mrluvaluva]

From The DM

EXCLUSIVE Contestants axed Racism cover-up Humiliating apology

By Nicola Methven, Tv Editor 25/05/2007
THE new series of Big Brother was in chaos last night after repeated bust-ups between the show's makers and scandal-hit Channel 4.

The bitter dispute emerged as C4 bosses were yesterday ordered to make three grovelling on-screen apologies over the Celebrity Big Brother race row.

TV watchdog Ofcom slammed the broadcaster for "serious errors of judgment" and said it had covered up more disgusting racist attacks on Shilpa Shetty by Jade Goody and her brainless cohorts.

The damning ruling has thrown preparations for the start of next week's Big Brother 8 into disarray.

Desperate to keep the show - hosted by Davina McCall - scandal free, C4 bosses have rejected three contestants put forward by makers Endemol. They have also thrown out plans to encourage class warfare in the house by recruiting extreme individuals from different social groups.

One source said last night: "Channel 4 are trying to wrestle back control of the show and make sure there are no more scandals, but Endemol insists the programme will flop if there aren't any clashes or tension."

One contestant - described as the best housemate selected this year - was rejected because he had been arrested after a fight.

The source added: "He was a brilliant, cocky bloke - easily the best man we had. We booked him straight away but then had to drop him because he got into a fight.

"He may have to go to court and we couldn't risk him getting into a row in the house and then it emerging that we'd allowed him in as a contestant knowing that he'd been arrested in a bar brawl.

"Last year we'd have put him in. This year we don't dare. Other great would-be housemates have also been thrown out because of the extra psychology tests. Endemol wanted them in, but Channel 4 said no. Things are getting very heated."

BB8 begins next Wednesday, when Channel 4 will make the first of its apologies over January's Celebrity Big Brother. The race row sparked an international outcry and attracted a record 45,000 complaints from viewers.

[Mrluvaluva]

From The DS

OFCOM has slammed Channel 4 for its handling of the Big Brother race row.

The furious media watchdog ordered the channel to broadcast three apologies at the start of series eight next week.

And today, for the first time, dailystar.co.uk - your hottest website for all the best reality TV - can publish the secret material that was never broadcast during the show.

A devastating transcript, which was referred to in Ofcom's adjudication on the series yesterday, is here in full.

It reveals how Jack Tweed and Jo O'Meara were warned off-camera about using racist language about Shilpa Shetty.

And it shows how Jack wanted to quit the show as soon he thought the incredible row had hit the papers.

* This transcript contains some offensive language, so please do not read on if you are easily offended.

----------------------------------------------------

Celebrity Big Brother
Series 5
Tuesday 16th January 2007
Approx. 23:18:

Jo
No?

Jade
Nothing.

Jo
Bad?

Jade
No, not really, but yeah, really. Yeah?

Danielle
What's there to say?

Jo
You're allowed to say.

Jade
[Inaudible] get in trouble.

Cleo
No, you can't say anything. All I can tell you it was 24 hours later.

Big Brother
This is Big Brother. Could Danielle come to the diary room?

Jade
24 hours later?

Jo
Yeah, that you got told off.

Danielle
I can't even remember saying anything.

Jade
I think I know. I don't think it's anything naughty like that. I think that... maybe Danielle used the 'P' word.

Jo
Oh, really?

Jade
Maybe.

Cleo
I don't even know what 'P' word means. Don't tell me, though.

Jo
Oh, you're kidding. That's bad.

Jade
No, I can imagine her saying that under her breath.
[DELETION OF DEFAMATORY REFERENCE TO A THIRD PARTY OUTSIDE THE HOUSE,FOR LEGAL REASONS]

Jo
Oh, that's not good.

Jade
Maybe she didn't. Maybe I'm just thinking it.

Jo
Oh, that's naughty, naughty, naughty that is.

Danielle
Three bottles.

Jack
Tight bastards.

Jo
Three bottles of beer?

Danielle
Well, I'll have a rosé. I'm not bothered.

Cleo
Do you know what, I'm fine not with any wine. I won't sleep.

Jade
We're only going to drink the whole bottle on our own.

Danielle
I'll drink the rosé and give them half a bottle each.

Jade
There's enough [inaudible], Cleo.

Danielle
Give them one and a half each and I'll have a rosé, because I'm not bothered.

Cleo
I'm trying to work out what the 'P' word is.

Jade
Did you use the 'P' word?

Danielle
What's the 'P' word?

Jack
It rhymes with 'tacky'.

Jo
Keep it nice and discreet there Jack.

Danielle
I don't know.

Jade
When the argument was going on, did you use the 'P' word that rhymes with 'tacky'?

Danielle
No.

Jade
That's what I thought. I thought, I can imagine her saying that under her breath or something.

Danielle
I don't use them words.

Jo
Good.

Jade
That's a good thing. I can't imagine her going, 'Oh, **** off you...'

Tuesday 16th January 2007
Approx. 23:40:
[Cross talk]

Cleo
Just my luck.

Jade
What happened?

Cleo
Got full again.

Jade
Yeah, but I wanted a drink and it just went -

Cleo
Oh, I miss my huge mouth the whole time. It's so embarrassing in restaurants when you go like this and... That's why I never drink red. It really shows. No. It's not going for you.

Jo
There once was a house that was happy.

Jade
I've got a great one, but I'm not allowed to say it.

Danielle
Why? Why? I want to know.

Cleo
She can't if she can't say it.
[Cross talk]

Jo
There once was a house that was happy, 'mi ni mi ni mi ni mi ni' and then there entered...

Cleo
You're all going to go to Big Brother prison.

Danielle
How do you know what -

Cleo
And you're going to need me -

Jo
But it ends with a nappy. What's wrong with you people?

Jack
But if you say, 'Along came some people who were tacky'.

Jade
There once was a house that was happy, until...

Jack
They made it really tacky.

Jade
Until there entered a... Until there entered a...

Jo
Strappy... Strap-on.

Jack
Strap-on

Jade
No, no, no, there once was a house that was happy...

Jo
Until someone got yappy.

Jade
Yes. There once was a house that was happy, until someone got yappy.

Jack
She nearly killed everyone with a chicken.

Cleo
But everything ended up finger-lickin'.

Jo
Now you've got to do something that rhymes with a nappy.

Cleo
Oh, God, don't give that to Danielle, for God's sake.

Danielle
And it all ended up - Being crappy.

Cleo
Oh, dear me.

Jo
Right.

Danielle
That could have been rather disturbing, that.

Jo
That was a good one.

Wednesday 17th January 2007
Approx. 00:13:

Jo
...claim to fame was your argument with her.

Jade
Yeah, with her.

Jo
Because of the argument they had. She said, 'You know what, Jade, this is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jade
Because she's a god.

Danielle
Is that what she said?

Jo
Yeah, she did.

Jade
'This is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jo
'This is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jade
[Inaudible] I don't know her surname. Shilpa Pashwa ****ing whoever you are, Shilpa Poppadom, I ****ing... Oooh.

Jack
Stop it.

Jo
Calm down. It's finished.

Jade
I am fuming and I know that it's not going to lie, because I know, when I look at her tomorrow, I'm going to be feeling sick. I cannot stay...I cannot stay in this house and I will never walk -

Jo
There was a young girl from Bombay...

Jade
No, let's not do that. I will not walk, because I've never let it get to me, but I tell you what, if I go, that will probably be the best thing for me - a bloody godsend - because I'll end up smashing her head against... No, I won't, because I'm not violent.

Jo
Jack's like, 'Yeah, uh-huh'.

Cleo
I think it will probably be better -

Jo
Drink another beer.

Cleo
To change the subject because I don't want you to get into... I'm very passionate, and I think we all are. When you get that angry, you use -

Jo
No, I think that today's argument was a nasty argument.
[Cross talk]

Jade
I'm common and I need... I need to go and get elocution lessons because I'm common? How dare she turn her nose up at me? I'm not one of her
pissing servants. She's in a house with nine other people, which are normal people. Jermaine Jackson is a ****ing legend - you don't hear him talking down to people. You don't hear him turning his nose up to
people.

Jo
You don't really get much bigger than Jackson.

Jade
No, you don't. You don't hear him say -

Jo
And he's the quietest, nicest, most genuine person.

Cleo
Yeah, I love him.

Jo
Genuinely, a genuine person who's lovely.

Cleo
He is genuine.

Jo
And I've got to be honest, I have witnessed things myself with sniggering and whispering and talking -

Jade
Jack did. Jack was in there the other day, in that kitchen, it was just
him and Jermaine -

Jo
She done it about me with Dirk over the whisky.

Jade
Shilpa walked into the kitchen, looked at Jack, whispered to Jermaine and laughed. Jack said to me, 'Oh, my God'. I was just this close to
saying something to Shilpa.


Saturday 20th January 2007
Approx. 19:47
DIARY ROOM WITH JO O'MEARA:

Jo
I thought I was coming to collect some beers.

Big Brother
Hello, Jo.

Jo
Hello.

Big Brother
Jo, please could you switch off your microphone and take the battery out for Big Brother please? You should still know you're being recorded.

Jo
Okay. Am I in trouble? There you go.

Big Brother
Thanks, Jo. Jo, Big Brother would like to make it clear that what we're about to talk about is a matter that Big Brother has decided to raise with you. Just to be clear, this has not come from any of the other
housemates. Do you understand?

Jo
Right. I think so.

Big Brother
To clarify, Big Brother has decided to raise this matter with you.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo, it has only now come to Big Brother's attention that you have made remarks that Big Brother considers to be racially offensive.

Jo
Oh, you're kidding. Like what?

Big Brother
On Tuesday night, which was day 14 in the Big Brother house, you and other housemates were playing a game where you were making up limericks about Shilpa.

Jo
Yeah.

Big Brother
As part of this game, you used rhyming slang to replace what other housemates called 'the "P" word'. The rhyming slangs you used were the words -

Jo
I never said the 'P' word.

Big Brother
The rhyming slang you used were the words 'nappy', 'happy' and 'strappy', amongst others.

Jo
That depends on how you take it. I'm not a racist person at all, ever, and I never, ever have been. I know that.

Big Brother
Jo, it's clear to Big Brother that, in this conversation, this game, that these rhyming words were references to the racial insult '****'.

Jo
Right, okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand that this is considered racially offensive language?

Jo
Yes, I do. I didn't... really didn't mean it in that way, though.

Big Brother
Big Brother would like to give you some time to respond.

Jo
I don't know how to respond to that, to be honest. I don't consider myself to be racist at all, against anybody or any religion or... and, like, if Jermaine is praying or Shilpa's praying, I always stay out of
the room, I stay out of the way and I let them do what they do, and I ask questions about it and... and I want to know more about their religions and stuff. I don't see that as a problem at all. I didn't realise the seriousness of it and I apologise if I offended anybody, but I never, ever meant to.

Big Brother
Do you remember the incident?

Jo
Yeah, I do.

Big Brother
Can you take Big Brother through your version of the events?

Jo
Oh, God, I don't know if I remember it to that extreme. It was just playing rhyming slangs and I was just... So you say whatever. You say lots of different stuff.

Big Brother
Do you remember any of the lines of the limerick?

Jo
Do you know what, I really don't, because in here, we were talking earlier on about being in the servants' quarters, and that feels like about three or four months ago. So, no, I don't, to be honest.

Big Brother
Do you remember who was involved in the game?

Jo
Me... the same people that always play the limerick game, so that would be me, Jade, Dan... maybe Cleo. She sometimes plays. And Jack.

Big Brother
In the limerick, do you remember what you intended the words 'happy','strappy' -

Jo
Well, no, because it could've... we could've said anything. It didn't necessarily have to mean that. Do you know what, it didn't even mean that. It's just how you take it. You come out with all different
stuff. We've come up with loads of rude things playing that game. It doesn't necessarily mean it's intended to be racist.

Big Brother
Jo, during the game, Jack said that the word rhymed with 'tacky'.

Jo
Well then, that's Jack, isn't it? That's not me.

Big Brother
Do you understand how it might have been considered racist to be using a rhyming slang that rhymed with '****'?

Jo
Yeah, I can now, but do you know what, I didn't really take much notice of it at the time. It's just... you just play silly games in this house and do silly things when there's nothing to do, so you just find ways of trying to entertain yourself. Today's been another day which has been really tough for everyone because we've not had anything to do again. And it's getting to that point now where everyone's, like, 'Ugh'. I never meant for it to be that way, and if it was that way, then I apologise.

Big Brother
Jo, just to be clear, do you understand that the word, and any inference using rhyming slang of that word, could consider... could be considered to be racially offensive?

Jo
Yes.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother will not tolerate any racist behaviour or anything that could be seen to be racist behaviour in the Big Brother house.

Jo
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not a... I'm not racist at all, though. That's the thing. I'm really, really not. Really not. I've not seen eye-to-eye with Shilpa throughout this whole game, and I'm not going to
start pretending that she's my best friend but she's a... I've got on a lot better with her today than I have throughout the whole show.

Big Brother
Why do you think that is?

Jo
I have got no idea. I really, really don't know, but... I just think the group is slowly starting to get smaller now and you've got to start spending time with different people, because people are going. I think, is it six people, have left now. And I suppose, as the group gets smaller and the people you're left with, you... you have to communicate
more and talk more with, so I've been speaking a lot more today, and I've spoken a lot more to Jermaine today as well. We've been playing games. And I know that I'm not a racist person because my cousin is
married to an Indian and half of the side of, like, that side of my family are all Indian. So I'm not a racist person at all. All my cou... I'd say, well... my cousin's married to an Indian man and they've
got four children and all their... his family interact with my family, so I'm surrounded by Indians a lot, because they're part of my family, so I wouldn't be racist. My cousins are Indian.

Big Brother
Jo, as a result of this incident, Big Brother has no option but to issue you with your first and only formal warning.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Any further incidents could result in your immediate eviction.

Jo
Okay. So I've had a warning and that's my last one.

Big Brother
Correct.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother would ask that you exercise care in the future.

Jo
Yes, I will, and I'm very, very sorry.

Big Brother
Big Brother would also like to remind you that, as always, all diary room conversations between Big Brother and housemates are confidential.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand?

Jo
Yes, I do.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short conversation, off camera -

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
With Steven, the psychologist. A brief chat to talk through this matter in confidence, for your benefit.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother will now hand over to Steven.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
There may be a short pause while we ensure that the diary room is not being recorded.

Jo
Thank you.

Big Brother
Thanks, Jo.

Jo
Thanks.

Saturday 20th January 2007
Approx. 20:20 - DIARY ROOM WITH JACK TWEED:

Jack
Hello.

Big Brother
Hello, Jack.

Jack
Hello.

Big Brother
Jack, please could you switch off your microphone and take the battery out, please? You should know that you are still being recorded.

Jack
Done

Big Brother
Thanks. Jack, please listen carefully.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother would like to, first of all, make very clear that what we are about to talk about is a matter that Big Brother has decided to raise with you.

Jack
All right.

Big Brother
Just to be clear, this has not come from any of the other housemates. Do you understand?

Jack
Yeah, I understand.

Big Brother
Jack, it has only now come to Big Brother's attention that you have made remarks that Big Brother considers to be racially offensive.

Jack
Like what?

Big Brother
On Tuesday night, day 14 in the Big Brother house -

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
You and other housemates were playing a game where you were making up limericks about Shilpa.

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
You were using rhyming slang to replace what you called 'the "P" word'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
You said the word rhymed with 'tacky'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
It is clear to Big Brother, Jack, that this was a reference to the racial insult '****'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand that this is considered racially offensive language?

Jack
Yeah, okay.

Big Brother
What do you have to say about this, Jack?

Jack
I was explaining the word that someone that was meant to have rhymed with the word. I wasn't actually saying the word.

Big Brother
Do you mean you were trying to include the word in the limerick but were using another word to replace it?

Jack
I can't really remember what exactly happened but I think... that someone said 'I know a word that rhymes with that' and then I clocked on to what it was and then explained what the word was, but didn't actually
say the word.

Big Brother
Do you remember why... how the word came up in the first place?

Jack
No, I can't remember.

Big Brother
Do you remember playing the limerick game that night?

Jack
Sort of.

Big Brother
Do you remember who was playing it?

Jack
No. Me, Jade, Cleo, Jo and Danielle.

Big Brother
And where you were playing it?

Jack
In the lounge.

Big Brother
And do you remember the approximate time that you were playing it at?

Jack
No, I'm not sure.

Big Brother
Any idea?

Jack
No, I wouldn't... No, sorry, I wouldn't have a clue.

Big Brother
Was it afternoon, early evening, late evening?

Jack
Late evening, I'd say.

Big Brother
Jack, do you understand that the 'P' word - **** -

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
Is considered to be racist?

Jack
Yeah, I fully understand.

Big Brother
And that simply by replacing the word with a word that rhymes with it doesn't take away from the racial insult?

Jack
I wasn't saying it to anyone. I was explaining what the word... what the word is. That's why, in a conversation, you're allowed to say, 'The
word "****" is a racist remark'. That's why you're allowed to say it. So I wasn't saying, 'That girl is a ****'; I was saying 'the word is that'.

Big Brother
You've suggested that the word 'tacky' could be included in a limerick. Correct?

Jack
Yeah, I think so, yeah.

Big Brother
So would it be fair to say that you were making light of the inclusion of the word '****' in a limerick with the group.

Jack
I think so, yeah. I can't really remember the whole conversation that we had.

Big Brother
Jack, was the limerick about Shilpa?

Jack
I think... I really can't remember. I think so. I don't know.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother is going to remind you of the limerick.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo began: 'There once was a house that was happy'. You then said:
'Until...' Jo said: 'And then there entered...' Cleo then interrupted and said, 'You are all going to BB prison'. Jo said: 'And then there entered a nappy'. You then said: 'Or, if you say, "Or along came some
people who was tacky"'.

Jack
Yeah. So that wasn't referring to the word '****'. That was just people who was tacky.

Big Brother
Jack, in a previous conversation, you had substituted the word 'tacky' for the word '****'.

Jack
In that limerick just then, I wasn't at all suggesting that the word was meant to be '****'. I was saying tacky, as in tacky people. I wasn't - not at all.

Big Brother
Jack, do you understand that some people may consider what you said to be racially offensive?

Jack
Yeah, some people who got the wrong end of the stick, I would, yeah. Can I just ask: is this... What, is this out in the paper, because if it is, I'd rather just leave now.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother wants you to understand that this word could be considered to be racist. Do you understand that?

Jack
Yeah, I understand that.

Big Brother
And that Big Brother will not tolerate any racist behaviour or anything that could be seen to be racist behaviour in the Big Brother house?

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
Jack, as a result of this incident, Big Brother is now issuing you with your first and only formal warning about this.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Any further incidents could result in your immediate eviction.

Jack
Okay. Could I just... Can you just please tell me if this is out in the paper or anything like that, if anything's out there suggesting, because if it is, I'd rather just leave now.

Big Brother
Jack, just listen for a second.


Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother would ask that you exercise some care in the future with your language.

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
And Big Brother would like to remind you that, as always, all diary room conversations between Big Brother and housemates are confidential.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand?

Jack
Yeah. Thank you.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short
conversation, off-camera, with Steven, the psychologist, to talk through this matter
in confidence.

Jack
Right.

Big Brother
Big Brother will now hand over to Steven. There may be a short pause while we ensure that the diary room is not being recorded.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Okay?

Jack
Okay. Thank you.


* What do YOU think? Should Jade, Jack, Jo and Danielle be punished further?

[Mrluvaluva]

From The DS

SHAMED Channel 4 must screen THREE apologies to TV viewers next week for the racist comments broadcast on Celebrity Big Brother.

TV watchdog Ofcom has blasted the station for breaching its strict guidelines and broadcasting
“offensive and unsuitable” footage which sparked the Shilpa Shetty race row.

Red-faced C4 chiefs have been ordered to say sorry for their “serious error of judgment”.

The first apology will go out at 9pm next Wednesday night, just before the launch show of Big Brother 8. C4 must apologise again when the repeat goes out at 7.45am the following day – and a third time on BB’s first live eviction show in June.

But the station was also slammed over material that was not broadcast – when it denied existence of a tape that clearly shows housemates making up a limerick that referred to Shilpa as a “Paki”.

Last night C4 boss Andy Duncan admitted: “We made mistakes and we’re sorry. There are lessons to be learned from this.”

Ofcom received a record 46,000 complaints from viewers who claimed that certain clips aired on the show, broadcast in January, were racist. Show fans complained as Jade Goody and Jo O’Meara were shown bullying and making apparently racist comments about Bollywood star Shilpa.

Ofcom attacked TV execs for failing to step in earlier and reprimand the housemates. Following a four-month probe, Ofcom yesterday revealed its findings, which made grim reading for the station which broadcasts the spy-on-the-wall show.

C4 had argued it had handled the footage “responsibly” and that the celebrities were entitled to “freedom of expression”.

It also believed it had followed Ofcom’s code – but the watchdog said the show had breached its strict codes on four occasions when it broadcast ...

Jade, 25, being ticked off by BB bosses for calling the actress “Shilpa Poppadom” (two breaches because it was aired twice).

Jo, 28, saying how Indians ate with their fingers and were always thin because they undercooked their food.

l Danielle Lloyd, 23, telling her housemates she wished Shilpa would “******* off home”.

Ofcom said the clips breached two codes – failing to ensure material that might cause offence is justified by the context, and failing to protect children by appropriate scheduling from unsuitable material.

Its report concluded: “It is Ofcom’s view that when these incidents were broadcast, Channel 4 failed sufficiently to address the potential for offence or left this behaviour unchallenged.

It represents a serious error of judgment in relation to material that requires the most careful handling.

This resulted in offence being caused to a very large number of viewers.”

And C4 bosses were in more hot water after denying unbroadcasted clips existed of Jo and Jade’s boyfriend Jack Tweed, 19, trying to make up a racist limerick about 31-year-old Shilpa.

After initially saying the incident never happened, they admitted a “breakdown in communication” meant show makers Endemol UK had not told them about the incident.

Ofcom said this ignorance over the clips - the transcripts of which can be read here on dailystar.co.uk today - did not “excuse” C4, which should have ensured it was aware of “all relevant material”.

C4 and Endemol UK last night vowed to intervene earlier in future to tackle unacceptable behaviour or offensive language.

They will also put stricter rules in the house for BB8, employ a “senior welfare producer” to monitor housemates, appoint a stronger legal team and launch a new “right to reply” show for viewers to air complaints.

Director of Television Kevin Lygo said: “Channel 4 is doing everything possible to prevent a repeat of the public offence caused while staying true to the format of Big Brother.” And Mr Duncan added: “We believe the initiatives will help prevent a repeat of the public offence caused by the programme.”

But last night MP Keith Vaz, who led the protests in Parliament, said: “C4 has behaved in an arrogant way. Andy Duncan should realise the contempt shown … now merits his resignation.”

Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell welcomed the measures, adding: “We will be watching very closely to ensure that these have the desired effect”.

* What do YOU think? Should Jade, Jack, Jo and Danielle be punished further?

[Arneldo]

Show fans complained as Jade Goody and Jo O’Meara were shown bullying and making apparently racist comments about Bollywood star Shilpa.

Note how no mention of Danielle. Just Jade & Jo.

[nodisharmony]

Let's me sort this out:pat:


THE new series of Big Brother was in chaos last night after repeated bust-ups between the show's makers and scandal-hit Channel 4.

Understandable

The bitter dispute emerged as C4 bosses were yesterday ordered to make three grovelling on-screen apologies over the Celebrity Big Brother race row.

This is due to accountability. Those who chose to think of profit's first and second and third and fourth.....right up until three million. Rather than realising, what was staring in all our faces (many thousand offended people noticed), so now they have now been forced to apologise..

TV watchdog Ofcom slammed the broadcaster for "serious errors of judgment" and said it had covered up more disgusting racist attacks on Shilpa Shetty by Jade Goody and her brainless cohorts.

If further comments were said & edited out. Then why was the other stuff kept in? "My point above speaks volumes". None of those nice Celebrities were or are brainless. Jade, Jo or Danielle, (Jack too)..

The damning ruling has thrown preparations for the start of next week's Big Brother 8 into disarray.

I doubt that...Big Brother 8 is going to happen, (sorry critics) Shove off to that point of view!! We at TIBB are waiting...

Desperate to keep the show - hosted by Davina McCall - scandal free, C4 bosses have rejected three contestants put forward by makers Endemol. They have also thrown out plans to encourage class warfare in the house by recruiting extreme individuals from different social groups.

Nobody in the fourthcoming BB8 is going to be racist anyway. It just can't happen, it's impossible, double impossible, triple impossible. Every white housemate knows why

One source said last night: "Channel 4 are trying to wrestle back control of the show and make sure there are no more scandals, but Endemol insists the programme will flop if there aren't any clashes or tension."

Endemol is right...Channel 4 have forgotten how to make money, with a stupid & idiotic comment like that

One contestant - described as the best housemate selected this year - was rejected because he had been arrested after a fight.

I see???? so that means that nobody else in the BB8 house will get into a fight. Time to grow up someone

The source added: "He was a brilliant, cocky bloke - easily the best man we had. We booked him straight away but then had to drop him because he got into a fight.

tough luck then!! show will happen anyway

"He may have to go to court and we couldn't risk him getting into a row in the house and then it emerging that we'd allowed him in as a contestant knowing that he'd been arrested in a bar brawl.

I guess it is time to cover your backs in this situation. We know this country has become today. Everybody suing each other, because they can. Some call it progress?? I call it, "A chance for a quick buck" and I am right...

"Last year we'd have put him in. This year we don't dare. Other great would-be housemates have also been thrown out because of the extra psychology tests. Endemol wanted them in, but Channel 4 said no. Things are getting very heated."

Well bring in a load of babies and puppy dogs then. Keep them busy!!

BB8 begins next Wednesday, when Channel 4 will make the first of its apologies over January's Celebrity Big Brother. The race row sparked an international outcry and attracted a record 45,000 complaints from viewers

Stating what we already know. Yes, BB8 is coming and the apology is neither-here-nor-there. 45,000 complaints, but nobody at CH4 or Endemol realised. Then they talk about three poor housemates brains..Place Jade Goody in charge of BB8 that's my answer
______________________________________________

OFCOM has slammed Channel 4 for its handling of the Big Brother race row.

Yep!

The furious media watchdog ordered the channel to broadcast three apologies at the start of series eight next week.

I wouldn't say "furious", I would say:- "money hungry + prompted"

And today, for the first time, dailystar.co.uk - your hottest website for all the best reality TV - can publish the secret material that was never broadcast during the show.

Endemol's un-cut tapes I presume??? (Daily Star, the newspaper who knows so much about BB8 and every rumour printed is going to happen) YES, Right...."Total rubbish". The only good thing about the Daily Star, that I can see, is a girl called Danielle Lloyd..But the rest I can't think of right now. I'll have to check my notes:wink:

A devastating transcript, which was referred to in Ofcom's adjudication on the series yesterday, is here in full.

Clever Daily Star...More bad publicity to make more money for yourselves to enjoy. More trouble to follow, I'll tell you..

It reveals how Jack Tweed and Jo O'Meara were warned off-camera about using racist language about Shilpa Shetty.

Blaming Jo O'Meara & Jack Tweed this time, typical!! That must mean that Jade Goody & Danielle Lloyd are little angels then. I feel better now!

And it shows how Jack wanted to quit the show as soon he thought the incredible row had hit the papers.

It was a new experience for him and the Race-Row thingy was starting, media-wise

* This transcript contains some offensive language, so please do not read on if you are easily offended.

I am not easily offended at all and neither is anybody on this forum, Fact!!

----------------------------------------------------
TRANSCRIPT, THEN BELOW THAT, "MY CONCLUSION"


Celebrity Big Brother
Series 5
Tuesday 16th January 2007
Approx. 23:18:

Jo
No?

Jade
Nothing.

Jo
Bad?

Jade
No, not really, but yeah, really. Yeah?

Danielle
What's there to say?

Jo
You're allowed to say.

Jade
[Inaudible] get in trouble.

Cleo
No, you can't say anything. All I can tell you it was 24 hours later.

Big Brother
This is Big Brother. Could Danielle come to the diary room?

Jade
24 hours later?

Jo
Yeah, that you got told off.

Danielle
I can't even remember saying anything.

Jade
I think I know. I don't think it's anything naughty like that. I think that... maybe Danielle used the 'P' word.

Jo
Oh, really?

Jade
Maybe.

Cleo
I don't even know what 'P' word means. Don't tell me, though.

Jo
Oh, you're kidding. That's bad.

Jade
No, I can imagine her saying that under her breath.
[DELETION OF DEFAMATORY REFERENCE TO A THIRD PARTY OUTSIDE THE HOUSE,FOR LEGAL REASONS]

Jo
Oh, that's not good.

Jade
Maybe she didn't. Maybe I'm just thinking it.

Jo
Oh, that's naughty, naughty, naughty that is.

Danielle
Three bottles.

Jack
Tight bastards.

Jo
Three bottles of beer?

Danielle
Well, I'll have a rosé. I'm not bothered.

Cleo
Do you know what, I'm fine not with any wine. I won't sleep.

Jade
We're only going to drink the whole bottle on our own.

Danielle
I'll drink the rosé and give them half a bottle each.

Jade
There's enough [inaudible], Cleo.

Danielle
Give them one and a half each and I'll have a rosé, because I'm not bothered.

Cleo
I'm trying to work out what the 'P' word is.

Jade
Did you use the 'P' word?

Danielle
What's the 'P' word?

Jack
It rhymes with 'tacky'.

Jo
Keep it nice and discreet there Jack.

Danielle
I don't know.

Jade
When the argument was going on, did you use the 'P' word that rhymes with 'tacky'?

Danielle
No.

Jade
That's what I thought. I thought, I can imagine her saying that under her breath or something.

Danielle
I don't use them words.

Jo
Good.

Jade
That's a good thing. I can't imagine her going, 'Oh, **** off you...'

Tuesday 16th January 2007
Approx. 23:40:
[Cross talk]

Cleo
Just my luck.

Jade
What happened?

Cleo
Got full again.

Jade
Yeah, but I wanted a drink and it just went -

Cleo
Oh, I miss my huge mouth the whole time. It's so embarrassing in restaurants when you go like this and... That's why I never drink red. It really shows. No. It's not going for you.

Jo
There once was a house that was happy.

Jade
I've got a great one, but I'm not allowed to say it.

Danielle
Why? Why? I want to know.

Cleo
She can't if she can't say it.
[Cross talk]

Jo
There once was a house that was happy, 'mi ni mi ni mi ni mi ni' and then there entered...

Cleo
You're all going to go to Big Brother prison.

Danielle
How do you know what -

Cleo
And you're going to need me -

Jo
But it ends with a nappy. What's wrong with you people?

Jack
But if you say, 'Along came some people who were tacky'.

Jade
There once was a house that was happy, until...

Jack
They made it really tacky.

Jade
Until there entered a... Until there entered a...

Jo
Strappy... Strap-on.

Jack
Strap-on

Jade
No, no, no, there once was a house that was happy...

Jo
Until someone got yappy.

Jade
Yes. There once was a house that was happy, until someone got yappy.

Jack
She nearly killed everyone with a chicken.

Cleo
But everything ended up finger-lickin'.

Jo
Now you've got to do something that rhymes with a nappy.

Cleo
Oh, God, don't give that to Danielle, for God's sake.

Danielle
And it all ended up - Being crappy.

Cleo
Oh, dear me.

Jo
Right.

Danielle
That could have been rather disturbing, that.

Jo
That was a good one.

Wednesday 17th January 2007
Approx. 00:13:

Jo
...claim to fame was your argument with her.

Jade
Yeah, with her.

Jo
Because of the argument they had. She said, 'You know what, Jade, this is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jade
Because she's a god.

Danielle
Is that what she said?

Jo
Yeah, she did.

Jade
'This is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jo
'This is going to be your claim to fame'.

Jade
[Inaudible] I don't know her surname. Shilpa Pashwa ****ing whoever you are, Shilpa Poppadom, I ****ing... Oooh.

Jack
Stop it.

Jo
Calm down. It's finished.

Jade
I am fuming and I know that it's not going to lie, because I know, when I look at her tomorrow, I'm going to be feeling sick. I cannot stay...I cannot stay in this house and I will never walk -

Jo
There was a young girl from Bombay...

Jade
No, let's not do that. I will not walk, because I've never let it get to me, but I tell you what, if I go, that will probably be the best thing for me - a bl***y godsend - because I'll end up smashing her head against... No, I won't, because I'm not violent.

Jo
Jack's like, 'Yeah, uh-huh'.

Cleo
I think it will probably be better -

Jo
Drink another beer.

Cleo
To change the subject because I don't want you to get into... I'm very passionate, and I think we all are. When you get that angry, you use -

Jo
No, I think that today's argument was a nasty argument.
[Cross talk]

Jade
I'm common and I need... I need to go and get elocution lessons because I'm common? How dare she turn her nose up at me? I'm not one of her
pissing servants. She's in a house with nine other people, which are normal people. Jermaine Jackson is a ****ing legend - you don't hear him talking down to people. You don't hear him turning his nose up to
people.

Jo
You don't really get much bigger than Jackson.

Jade
No, you don't. You don't hear him say -

Jo
And he's the quietest, nicest, most genuine person.

Cleo
Yeah, I love him.

Jo
Genuinely, a genuine person who's lovely.

Cleo
He is genuine.

Jo
And I've got to be honest, I have witnessed things myself with sniggering and whispering and talking -

Jade
Jack did. Jack was in there the other day, in that kitchen, it was just
him and Jermaine -

Jo
She done it about me with Dirk over the whisky.

Jade
Shilpa walked into the kitchen, looked at Jack, whispered to Jermaine and laughed. Jack said to me, 'Oh, my God'. I was just this close to
saying something to Shilpa.


Saturday 20th January 2007
Approx. 19:47
DIARY ROOM WITH JO O'MEARA:

Jo
I thought I was coming to collect some beers.

Big Brother
Hello, Jo.

Jo
Hello.

Big Brother
Jo, please could you switch off your microphone and take the battery out for Big Brother please? You should still know you're being recorded.

Jo
Okay. Am I in trouble? There you go.

Big Brother
Thanks, Jo. Jo, Big Brother would like to make it clear that what we're about to talk about is a matter that Big Brother has decided to raise with you. Just to be clear, this has not come from any of the other
housemates. Do you understand?

Jo
Right. I think so.

Big Brother
To clarify, Big Brother has decided to raise this matter with you.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo, it has only now come to Big Brother's attention that you have made remarks that Big Brother considers to be racially offensive.

Jo
Oh, you're kidding. Like what?

Big Brother
On Tuesday night, which was day 14 in the Big Brother house, you and other housemates were playing a game where you were making up limericks about Shilpa.

Jo
Yeah.

Big Brother
As part of this game, you used rhyming slang to replace what other housemates called 'the "P" word'. The rhyming slangs you used were the words -

Jo
I never said the 'P' word.

Big Brother
The rhyming slang you used were the words 'nappy', 'happy' and 'strappy', amongst others.

Jo
That depends on how you take it. I'm not a racist person at all, ever, and I never, ever have been. I know that.

Big Brother
Jo, it's clear to Big Brother that, in this conversation, this game, that these rhyming words were references to the racial insult '****'.

Jo
Right, okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand that this is considered racially offensive language?

Jo
Yes, I do. I didn't... really didn't mean it in that way, though.

Big Brother
Big Brother would like to give you some time to respond.

Jo
I don't know how to respond to that, to be honest. I don't consider myself to be racist at all, against anybody or any religion or... and, like, if Jermaine is praying or Shilpa's praying, I always stay out of
the room, I stay out of the way and I let them do what they do, and I ask questions about it and... and I want to know more about their religions and stuff. I don't see that as a problem at all. I didn't realise the seriousness of it and I apologise if I offended anybody, but I never, ever meant to.

Big Brother
Do you remember the incident?

Jo
Yeah, I do.

Big Brother
Can you take Big Brother through your version of the events?

Jo
Oh, God, I don't know if I remember it to that extreme. It was just playing rhyming slangs and I was just... So you say whatever. You say lots of different stuff.

Big Brother
Do you remember any of the lines of the limerick?

Jo
Do you know what, I really don't, because in here, we were talking earlier on about being in the servants' quarters, and that feels like about three or four months ago. So, no, I don't, to be honest.

Big Brother
Do you remember who was involved in the game?

Jo
Me... the same people that always play the limerick game, so that would be me, Jade, Dan... maybe Cleo. She sometimes plays. And Jack.

Big Brother
In the limerick, do you remember what you intended the words 'happy','strappy' -

Jo
Well, no, because it could've... we could've said anything. It didn't necessarily have to mean that. Do you know what, it didn't even mean that. It's just how you take it. You come out with all different
stuff. We've come up with loads of rude things playing that game. It doesn't necessarily mean it's intended to be racist.

Big Brother
Jo, during the game, Jack said that the word rhymed with 'tacky'.

Jo
Well then, that's Jack, isn't it? That's not me.

Big Brother
Do you understand how it might have been considered racist to be using a rhyming slang that rhymed with '****'?

Jo
Yeah, I can now, but do you know what, I didn't really take much notice of it at the time. It's just... you just play silly games in this house and do silly things when there's nothing to do, so you just find ways of trying to entertain yourself. Today's been another day which has been really tough for everyone because we've not had anything to do again. And it's getting to that point now where everyone's, like, 'Ugh'. I never meant for it to be that way, and if it was that way, then I apologise.

Big Brother
Jo, just to be clear, do you understand that the word, and any inference using rhyming slang of that word, could consider... could be considered to be racially offensive?

Jo
Yes.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother will not tolerate any racist behaviour or anything that could be seen to be racist behaviour in the Big Brother house.

Jo
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not a... I'm not racist at all, though. That's the thing. I'm really, really not. Really not. I've not seen eye-to-eye with Shilpa throughout this whole game, and I'm not going to
start pretending that she's my best friend but she's a... I've got on a lot better with her today than I have throughout the whole show.

Big Brother
Why do you think that is?

Jo
I have got no idea. I really, really don't know, but... I just think the group is slowly starting to get smaller now and you've got to start spending time with different people, because people are going. I think, is it six people, have left now. And I suppose, as the group gets smaller and the people you're left with, you... you have to communicate
more and talk more with, so I've been speaking a lot more today, and I've spoken a lot more to Jermaine today as well. We've been playing games. And I know that I'm not a racist person because my cousin is
married to an Indian and half of the side of, like, that side of my family are all Indian. So I'm not a racist person at all. All my cou... I'd say, well... my cousin's married to an Indian man and they've
got four children and all their... his family interact with my family, so I'm surrounded by Indians a lot, because they're part of my family, so I wouldn't be racist. My cousins are Indian.

Big Brother
Jo, as a result of this incident, Big Brother has no option but to issue you with your first and only formal warning.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Any further incidents could result in your immediate eviction.

Jo
Okay. So I've had a warning and that's my last one.

Big Brother
Correct.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother would ask that you exercise care in the future.

Jo
Yes, I will, and I'm very, very sorry.

Big Brother
Big Brother would also like to remind you that, as always, all diary room conversations between Big Brother and housemates are confidential.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand?

Jo
Yes, I do.

Big Brother
Jo, Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short conversation, off camera -

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
With Steven, the psychologist. A brief chat to talk through this matter in confidence, for your benefit.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother will now hand over to Steven.

Jo
Okay.

Big Brother
There may be a short pause while we ensure that the diary room is not being recorded.

Jo
Thank you.

Big Brother
Thanks, Jo.

Jo
Thanks.

Saturday 20th January 2007
Approx. 20:20 - DIARY ROOM WITH JACK TWEED:

Jack
Hello.

Big Brother
Hello, Jack.

Jack
Hello.

Big Brother
Jack, please could you switch off your microphone and take the battery out, please? You should know that you are still being recorded.

Jack
Done

Big Brother
Thanks. Jack, please listen carefully.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother would like to, first of all, make very clear that what we are about to talk about is a matter that Big Brother has decided to raise with you.

Jack
All right.

Big Brother
Just to be clear, this has not come from any of the other housemates. Do you understand?

Jack
Yeah, I understand.

Big Brother
Jack, it has only now come to Big Brother's attention that you have made remarks that Big Brother considers to be racially offensive.

Jack
Like what?

Big Brother
On Tuesday night, day 14 in the Big Brother house -

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
You and other housemates were playing a game where you were making up limericks about Shilpa.

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
You were using rhyming slang to replace what you called 'the "P" word'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
You said the word rhymed with 'tacky'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
It is clear to Big Brother, Jack, that this was a reference to the racial insult '****'.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand that this is considered racially offensive language?

Jack
Yeah, okay.

Big Brother
What do you have to say about this, Jack?

Jack
I was explaining the word that someone that was meant to have rhymed with the word. I wasn't actually saying the word.

Big Brother
Do you mean you were trying to include the word in the limerick but were using another word to replace it?

Jack
I can't really remember what exactly happened but I think... that someone said 'I know a word that rhymes with that' and then I clocked on to what it was and then explained what the word was, but didn't actually
say the word.

Big Brother
Do you remember why... how the word came up in the first place?

Jack
No, I can't remember.

Big Brother
Do you remember playing the limerick game that night?

Jack
Sort of.

Big Brother
Do you remember who was playing it?

Jack
No. Me, Jade, Cleo, Jo and Danielle.

Big Brother
And where you were playing it?

Jack
In the lounge.

Big Brother
And do you remember the approximate time that you were playing it at?

Jack
No, I'm not sure.

Big Brother
Any idea?

Jack
No, I wouldn't... No, sorry, I wouldn't have a clue.

Big Brother
Was it afternoon, early evening, late evening?

Jack
Late evening, I'd say.

Big Brother
Jack, do you understand that the 'P' word - pa** -

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
Is considered to be racist?

Jack
Yeah, I fully understand.

Big Brother
And that simply by replacing the word with a word that rhymes with it doesn't take away from the racial insult?

Jack
I wasn't saying it to anyone. I was explaining what the word... what the word is. That's why, in a conversation, you're allowed to say, 'The
word "****" is a racist remark'. That's why you're allowed to say it. So I wasn't saying, 'That girl is a ****'; I was saying 'the word is that'.

Big Brother
You've suggested that the word 'tacky' could be included in a limerick. Correct?

Jack
Yeah, I think so, yeah.

Big Brother
So would it be fair to say that you were making light of the inclusion of the word '****' in a limerick with the group.

Jack
I think so, yeah. I can't really remember the whole conversation that we had.

Big Brother
Jack, was the limerick about Shilpa?

Jack
I think... I really can't remember. I think so. I don't know.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother is going to remind you of the limerick.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Jo began: 'There once was a house that was happy'. You then said:
'Until...' Jo said: 'And then there entered...' Cleo then interrupted and said, 'You are all going to BB prison'. Jo said: 'And then there entered a nappy'. You then said: 'Or, if you say, "Or along came some
people who was tacky"'.

Jack
Yeah. So that wasn't referring to the word '****'. That was just people who was tacky.

Big Brother
Jack, in a previous conversation, you had substituted the word 'tacky' for the word '****'.

Jack
In that limerick just then, I wasn't at all suggesting that the word was meant to be '****'. I was saying tacky, as in tacky people. I wasn't - not at all.

Big Brother
Jack, do you understand that some people may consider what you said to be racially offensive?

Jack
Yeah, some people who got the wrong end of the stick, I would, yeah. Can I just ask: is this... What, is this out in the paper, because if it is, I'd rather just leave now.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother wants you to understand that this word could be considered to be racist. Do you understand that?

Jack
Yeah, I understand that.

Big Brother
And that Big Brother will not tolerate any racist behaviour or anything that could be seen to be racist behaviour in the Big Brother house?

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
Jack, as a result of this incident, Big Brother is now issuing you with your first and only formal warning about this.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Any further incidents could result in your immediate eviction.

Jack
Okay. Could I just... Can you just please tell me if this is out in the paper or anything like that, if anything's out there suggesting, because if it is, I'd rather just leave now.

Big Brother
Jack, just listen for a second.


Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Big Brother would ask that you exercise some care in the future with your language.

Jack
Yeah.

Big Brother
And Big Brother would like to remind you that, as always, all diary room conversations between Big Brother and housemates are confidential.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Do you understand?

Jack
Yeah. Thank you.

Big Brother
Jack, Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short
conversation, off-camera, with Steven, the psychologist, to talk through this matter
in confidence.

Jack
Right.

Big Brother
Big Brother will now hand over to Steven. There may be a short pause while we ensure that the diary room is not being recorded.

Jack
Okay.

Big Brother
Okay?

Jack
Okay. Thank you.


* What do YOU think? Should Jade, Jack, Jo and Danielle be punished further? NO

___________________________________
Right, this is how it is okay,

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara, Danielle Lloyd, Jack Tweed & Cleo Rocos were having a little game of limericks(Jokes)

Of the five housemates there, only four disliked Shilpa Shetty. (Cleo Rocos was not one of them) so let's take her out of the equasion for starters.

This leaves:- Jade, Jo, Danielle & Jack

This article is about the word which rhymes with:- "Tacky"

Big Brother has made this very clear in the Diary Room to Jack Tweed & Jo O'Meara and gave them warnings for saying a limerick which is referring to the (P) word which rhymes with "Tacky"

Both Jack & Jo did mean the (P) word and both did not like Shilpa Shetty

Jade Goody & Danielle Lloyd, also (Both) knew what the word "Tacky" rhymes with. (Both) would understand that it is a racial word to. The (P) word, that is.

So what am I saying and why am I saying this????

Well, it is simple..........

You walk into a working mens club and they have a comedian there. He comes on stage and tells jokes. The jokes are about loads of things and amongst those jokes, a racist joke slips out again and again and again.

So, You go out to HMV or Woolworths or Virgin or Music Zone or whatever and amongst the DVD's, there will be a comedy section, "Stand-Up comedy section".

There are comedians who are quite racist with their jokes and some who do it occasionally. These are very available to anybody over the age of 18, or maybe 15?

Anybody..............

When you walk into a pub or you are out with your friends, there is always a chance of someone coming up with a joke, with a racist angle to it, This is life.

So, back to the CBB5 incident...

Jade, Jo, Danielle & Jack were having a bit of fun over limericks, that's all...

But, Jack & Jo ventured towards the word "Tacky" and BB doesn't miss a thing you know. No point lying. BB is watching you and there are camera's and microphones everywhere. So face facts..

The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!

It is obvious that the housemates just did not realise the implications which may have followed from this. Jo O'Meara is NOT a racist person, so don't try labelling that to her.

Jack Tweed is NOT a racist person, so don't start labelling that to him either.

You can be NOT RACIST, but, laugh at a joke, "Just done in jest", even if it is Racist!!!

It is humour!! If I saw an Indian comedian cracking jokes about a White person, I wouldn't find it offensive. If someone does find it offensive, all they have to do is turn the channel over or walk away. That is a personal choice.

But Endemol have chosen to NOT show this and if this is true evidence, then they did their job correctly.

Do Not Blame JO & JACK for this harmless bit of jesting..!!

It is just a joke, a limerick, (That's IT)

Bernard Manning turned up at a secret club, where everyone there was a police officer, sergent, inspector, etc..etc.. and Bernard said loads of racist jokes and officers who were NOT white, were laughing. "Police Officers".

It is comedy and if somebody finds it offensive, then Endemol has to understand what can offend and edit it out. They did that with this "Tacky" limerick and that is it...

Bringing all this un-necessary stuff up is stupid and won't get anyone anywhere.

If Jade, Jo, Danielle, Jack had said something really nasty & racial. Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.

But that isn't the case and what evidence they do have, just won't wash and it is stupid and pointless and crazy.

Put things in perspective....

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_____________________________________________




nodisharmony :angel:

[Chrizzle]

I think Jack and Jo WERE the ringleaders, D.S is right.

Even though I thought Jade was the worst, I believe her and Danielle did nothing that bad tbh

[officialleafan]

Someone said in the paper...that they heard Jack call Shilpa a p***i. But that was completely over looked, they just pinned the blame on the 'so-called-ringleader' Jade. When the Jack comment was brought up, the bb producers said 'he said she's a piece of yacky*

yeah right!!!!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Let's me sort this out:pat:


Right, this is how it is okay,

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara, Danielle Lloyd, Jack Tweed & Cleo Rocos were having a little game of limericks(Jokes)

Of the five housemates there, only four disliked Shilpa Shetty. (Cleo Rocos was not one of them) so let's take her out of the equasion for starters.

This leaves:- Jade, Jo, Danielle & Jack

This article is about the word which rhymes with:- "Tacky"

Big Brother has made this very clear in the Diary Room to Jack Tweed & Jo O'Meara and gave them warnings for saying a limerick which is referring to the (P) word which rhymes with "Tacky"

Both Jack & Jo did mean the (P) word and both did not like Shilpa Shetty

Jade Goody & Danielle Lloyd, also (Both) knew what the word "Tacky" rhymes with. (Both) would understand that it is a racial word to. The (P) word, that is.

So what am I saying and why am I saying this????

Well, it is simple..........

You walk into a working mens club and they have a comedian there. He comes on stage and tells jokes. The jokes are about loads of things and amongst those jokes, a racist joke slips out again and again and again.

So, You go out to HMV or Woolworths or Virgin or Music Zone or whatever and amongst the DVD's, there will be a comedy section, "Stand-Up comedy section".

There are comedians who are quite racist with their jokes and some who do it occasionally. These are very available to anybody over the age of 18, or maybe 15?

Anybody..............

When you walk into a pub or you are out with your friends, there is always a chance of someone coming up with a joke, with a racist angle to it, This is life.

So, back to the CBB5 incident...

Jade, Jo, Danielle & Jack were having a bit of fun over limericks, that's all...

But, Jack & Jo ventured towards the word "Tacky" and BB doesn't miss a thing you know. No point lying. BB is watching you and there are camera's and microphones everywhere. So face facts..

The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!

It is obvious that the housemates just did not realise the implications which may have followed from this. Jo O'Meara is NOT a racist person, so don't try labelling that to her.

Jack Tweed is NOT a racist person, so don't start labelling that to him either.

You can be NOT RACIST, but, laugh at a joke, "Just done in jest", even if it is Racist!!!

It is humour!! If I saw an Indian comedian cracking jokes about a White person, I wouldn't find it offensive. If someone does find it offensive, all they have to do is turn the channel over or walk away. That is a personal choice.

But Endemol have chosen to NOT show this and if this is true evidence, then they did their job correctly.

Do Not Blame JO & JACK for this harmless bit of jesting..!!

It is just a joke, a limerick, (That's IT)

Bernard Manning turned up at a secret club, where everyone there was a police officer, sergent, inspector, etc..etc.. and Bernard said loads of racist jokes and officers who were NOT white, were laughing. "Police Officers".

It is comedy and if somebody finds it offensive, then Endemol has to understand what can offend and edit it out. They did that with this "Tacky" limerick and that is it...

Bringing all this un-necessary stuff up is stupid and won't get anyone anywhere.

If Jade, Jo, Danielle, Jack had said something really nasty & racial. Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.

But that isn't the case and what evidence they do have, just won't wash and it is stupid and pointless and crazy.

Put things in perspective....

_____________________________________________


_____________________________________________

nodisharmony :angel:

This brings blind apologist theory to a whole new level of ostrich like behaviour.

Risible pathetic jibberish.

"Not racist - its just like a comedian"

The post is littered with comments and insinuation such as that and it is deliberately excusing racism.


Why don't you go up to a bunch of Asian blokes in the street and "have a little game of limericks", ending it with the obvious rhyme for tacky - then before you get your lights punched out- tell them its just like what comedians do and you can buy it in HMV so they shouldn't be offended.

I wonder if you'll even get to finish the sentence ?.

Apologists for racists are as bad as the racists themselves.

Your true colours are known - and this grasping round for an excuse now that incidents have the official stamp on them, and its what normal thinking people knew from the beginning, and we now know that even the producers knew they were being racist at the time - makes you even more of a pathetic apologist than previously thought

If they were "full time" racists you would understand people having a bad opinion of them ??........ that says everything about you that needs to be said and none of it is good

[bighead]

big brother has to apoligise before EVERY episode of the next series, what a joke.

i hope this year is just as controversial, they moan that they should not have shown the racist footage, well yes they should otherwise it would not have been brought to people's attention and we could not complain, not that i did. if they did not show it would we have allowed jad to get further, or even win.

editorial misjudgment, no, they had to show it, we have all been racist once, big brother was supposed to be a social experiment and, once it finally reaches that, we moan, this is what britian is sometimes like and this is what some people are, we should not complain but try and change peoples attitude.

prejudice, even though this was not, will never be irradicated. face it, people will always be like this. does it really make a difference if it is shown on television, saying it does not happen is blissful ignorance.

[Chrizzle]

Apologsing before every episode?
Absolutely pathetic!

[Stu]

Originally posted by bighead
big brother has to apoligise before EVERY episode of the next series, what a joke.

i hope this year is just as controversial, they moan that they should not have shown the racist footage, well yes they should otherwise it would not have been brought to people's attention and we could not complain, not that i did. if they did not show it would we have allowed jad to get further, or even win.

editorial misjudgment, no, they had to show it, we have all been racist once, big brother was supposed to be a social experiment and, once it finally reaches that, we moan, this is what britian is sometimes like and this is what some people are, we should not complain but try and change peoples attitude.

prejudice, even though this was not, will never be irradicated. face it, people will always be like this. does it really make a difference if it is shown on television, saying it does not happen is blissful ignorance.
I fully agree. And I think its awfully strange how OFCOM only reported their findings ONE WEEK before launch. All in an attempt to bring down their least favourite show methinks!!! Hope C4 give em a slap in the face by not toning stuff down!!!

[Ruth*Star]

Having to say sorry before every episode is pathetic, i understand them saying sorry before the launch but every eppy

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ruth.El
Having to say sorry before every episode is pathetic, i understand them saying sorry before the launch but every eppy
Err his wrong guys obviously.

They only have to apologise three times.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yeah Stu's right. London Lite also reported last night it was before every episode. They scramble to put reports out without checking the facts.

[spacebandit]

Not according to the official OFCOM report / adjudication

Apology before first show, before the first repeat the next morning
and before the first eviction show.

[nodisharmony]

My facts in response to supposition:pat:


Originally posted by spacebandit
Very interesting indeed.

Yes, the race issue has been brought back into question! thought you'd be interested:wink:

the TV regulator has now agreed that there was racism in the house, from the parties we all knew and accused of it in the first place.

Ofcom are now investigating and the parties involved are the same ones who were pointed out originally

So much for the "Jade would never do that" mantra

Jade Goody is NOT the one on trial here. It is mostly focused on Jo O'Meara & Jack Tweed. Both given formal warnings in the Diary Room(so the story goes) But even so, Jade Goody is not racist and I shall continue to prove it in my usual delectable way, angelstyle:angel:

being spouted by blind apologists.

Best to stick to CBB housemates, rather than worry about a factfinder/apologist/angel:angel:/whatever? We are talking about:- Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara, Danielle Lloyd & Now Jack Tweed + the so-called victim:- Shilpa Shetty

Although the more disconcerting issue here is the obvious plan by endemol to edit out the worst of it

Endemol has editors and they have the power and the judgement to edit out whatever they choose. The moderate the show and can be as corrupt as they choose to be/if they choose?

perhaps they thought they could ride out what they did broadcast - and for several months they have.

Endemol are much more clever than you think! Not likely to slip up over Ofcom's recent investigation, etc..

Now we know the truth

Do we?? We have been told by the Daily Star newspaper about the so-called transcript + There is nothing else that they can come up with? What about further footage from Shilpa Shetty perhaps? Something which may have made 4 housemates dislike her further

they were being racist, were called on it at the time, despite the denials of C4 and Endemol.

Words & comments that to some, may be construed as containing possible overtones my dear watson:pat: Hense denial:thumbs:

Endemol edited out what could arguably be called the worst incidents.

"The limerick", at least, I think I know what you mean?

For those seeking to apologise for them, just...because a racist comment wasn't broadcast does not mean that the speaker was not racist.

My explaination above & within this thread, certainly covers that point. "A limerick, in the form of a harmless joke, which could offend, so Endemol justly edited it out

It only means that a managerial decision was taken to hide it and cover it up, as the full report states, Brighter Pictures [the producers] logged comments as racist in their daily logs but did not inform C4 about this.

Cover up's take place everywhere:wink: even though some get caught due to bad management and stupidity due to overfriendships. Informing C4 about this, will be pretty low on their list of priorities. A few million lunchbreaks and then maybe, they'll think about their next lunch

So now we have it, in black and white what some have known since CBB.

Not to me:pat:

they are scum of the highest order

Incorrect assumption

end of story.

That's what you think

On a related note Davina on Paul O'Grady said the police had been through every single tape of the show and had found no evidence of racism

So

now we know that is untrue.

So Davina was lying? RUBBISH!!

Which means OFCOM had access to material the police must not have had as OFCOM have said the material they adjudicated on is racist.

What Ofcom have, is very little and I have torn it all into little pieces within this thread. Danielle Lloyd is taking action as we speak. She has NO time for this rubbish and neither has the other three. But Ofcom or whoever can do as it pleases

So did Endemol lie to the police, withhold some tape ?

Endemol said, that they wouldn't hand over the un-cut tapes, unless they were issued with a court-order. I have also heard that they said that some of the footage was erased or lost. But we are relying on Newspapers and the media. Get clear on that if you can


To clairify something I posted re. Davina on Paul O Grady - not suggesting Davina lied herself per se

That sounds interesting:rolleyes:

I was suggesting she spouted the Endemol party line and saying what she was told to say / what she had been told - when the subject came up.

Davina is NOT a puppet. Neither is she interested in a cover-up either. Hardly in her best interests and she knows how some can become the fall-girl. Nevermind Endemol & BB

But the OFCOM report raises some pretty serious questions about Endemols co-operation with the police investigation.

I repeat......Endemol did choose to NOT hand over the un-cut tapes, unless they were indeed handed a court-order. The truth yearns, if you could see it, understand it and accept it

Wow, what an amazing example of ignoring the written word and bulldozing on blindly

Glad you feel that way:wink: I tend to bulldoze over hostile types/accusational types, etc...

Must be a kick in the nuts

You underestimate me:laugh:

all this time with the apologist mantra and the excuses

Stating facts and good educational near-facts, it cannot get much better.

who could ever forget "part-time racist" ......... pure comedy gold

Part-Time racists/Full-Time racists & don't forget, Accidental racists + Racist jokes. That's four in-all

only to have OFCOM investigate, including viewing the unbroadcast footage, and decide that, yes, there was racism at play in the house and one of the perpertrators was your heroine...

They are pretty foolish to underestimate this pathetic situation over a limerick, which was edited out anyway. Hardly worth re-opening the past furore. They only want money, you know!! They are content on apologies right now. But sometimes apologies can be the same as an admission and an admission can lead to suing and suing leads to a big courtcase. I could add more..

the pig faced racist bigot

Your description for the amazingly talented Jade Goody. I tend to call her by her name. More polite and certainly fair

Whilst this is a serious matter...

Yes, it is serious at the moment, but Ofcom will move onto something else. It is like the wind. It changes direction and they will be after someone else soon. More money to be had, Why not:rolleyes:

all that remains to be said regarding you is...

Not interested in your opinion of me. We are talking about CBB5 and Ofcom + past furore, etc..


This brings blind apologist theory to a whole new level of ostrich like behaviour.

Glad to me so ****

Risible pathetic jibberish.

Opinion at the lowest level. I shall rise above:angel:

"Not racist - its just like a comedian"

A limerick is a comedy thing. A few million would understand that, whether racial or not:rolleyes:

The post is littered with comments and insinuation such as that and it is deliberately excusing racism.

Endemol edited it out. The limerick, etc...


Why don't you go up to a bunch of Asian blokes in the street and "have a little game of limericks", ending it with the obvious rhyme for tacky - then before you get your lights punched out- tell them its just like what comedians do and you can buy it in HMV so they shouldn't be offended.

Jack & Jo did it behind Shilpa's back. It was private from her and Endemol edited it out and warned them, as it was hinting racism. Even though it was obviously in the form of a jest/joke, etc.. It could still offend. Still doesn't make them racist people. You'll have to do much better!! Also, the 4 housemates in question, wouldn't test your experiment either.

I wonder if you'll even get to finish the sentence ?.

Like I just said above. They wouldn't test your theory

Apologists for racists are as bad as the racists themselves.

Not always the case

Your true colours are known

Not part of CBB5 & their investigations either. Which is what this debate is about, unless you have a more sinister idea in your mind:puzzled:

this grasping round for an excuse now that incidents have the official stamp on them

I never grasp

its what normal thinking people knew from the beginning

It's higher thinking that sorts out normal thinking. Normal thinking may not understand higher thinking. This is where explaination and further looking into CBB evidence is important. BB8 is coming and we'd like this investigation to sort itself out quickly

we now know that even the producers knew they were being racist at the time

Producers are just producers. They want a wage packet and then go home to their families or the pub. It takes senior people from Endemol to work this out

makes you even more of a pathetic apologist than previously thought

The mirror is the best place to say that comment Spacebandit. and I am NOT talking about the Daily or Sunday mirror either. Knock, Knock, Hint, Hint!!

If they were "full time" racists you would understand people having a bad opinion of them ??........

Of course...If a very racist remark is said and further nasty comments go with that and there is total and utter proof, without any shadow of a doubt, then it is a whole different cuttle of fish

that says everything about you that needs to be said

Read my points within this entire thread and it kind of sorts it out for you:rolleyes:

none of it is good

In your opinion, which you are sadly entitled to

Not according to the official OFCOM report / adjudication apology before first show, before the first repeat the next morning
and before the first eviction show

zzzzzzzzzz:sleep::sleep:




nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

^ utter hilarity - especially the selective re-editing and re-arranging quotes from different posts, and even then having to edit lines - it amuses me to watch racist apologists squabble around in desperation, and have to resort to such blatantly disingenuos methods.

Ah well - when you are an apologist for racist filth - you have to play by Dr Goebbels book. and Nodisharmony is no stranger to racism.

Originally posted by nodisharmony

The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!


nodisharmony


So you can say anything you like to anyone in a joke - fine go up to an asian in the street, call him a p__i, then say you were only joking, oh thats right - YOU won't. You are merely a coward apologist who wants this kind of behaviour condoned and deemed "acceptable"



Originally posted by nodisharmony


If Jade, Jo, Danielle, Jack had said something really nasty & racial. Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.

But that isn't the case and what evidence they do have, just won't wash and it is stupid and pointless and crazy.


nodisharmony

Like those Klu Klux Klan members, that - apologists say are "decent family men" looking after their homes and their families, glossing over the fact of the murder and the torture - that is how apologists work.

To say that these people are not to be condemned as racists because they are not racists "full time", is the same kind of excuse given to explain away racism the world over.

Only the racists and other like minded souls buy that revisionist garbage, always, as we have seen here - spouted by someone with an agenda, to carry on doing the very same thing, and inventing reasons and scenarios where it is acceptable to be racist.

Obvious, and low life in the extreme.

People like this, and I include the apologists, should be ostracised from civilised society - take their hate with them.

[Dr43%er]

"But last night MP Keith Vaz, who led the protests in Parliament, said: “C4 has behaved in an arrogant way. Andy Duncan should realise the contempt shown … now merits his resignation.” "

I liked it on channel 4's news when krishnan guru murthy pointed out to him that he (Vaz) did not resign when he broke parliamentary rules. " ah well I was suspended, that was different." Typical hypocritical **** from the self promoting twat.

I can't add anything that Space Bandit has all ready not on the other subject.

[S2]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony

Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.



Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.
So it would be ok for me to go upto a white person and say "urhh white skin is nasty, so pale and pasty, they look like the living dead" because I can easily justify it with saying "oh i'm just expressing my opinion, nothing racist about it and I meant no harm

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony
Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.
No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when she said that :wink:. The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

[S2]

Most of the shows you have mentioned are pre-recorded. CBB isn't such a show. They could have easily edited out the racist bits which we could have clearly done without. You might be one to support racism and watch certain shows and LOL with the alleged "jokes" but not me

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony
Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.
No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when he said that :wink:. The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.


A very good point regarding the different shows which contain racist-jokes, etc..Stu:thumbs:

In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour", many people enjoyed that series then and even now. It is a available to buy on DVD today.

But today, anything which contains Racist jokes is being scrutinized too. This is why Endemol had no choice but to instruct Big Brother to call (Jo & Jack) to the diary room and give them both formal warnings and explain why.

Beyond those interviews, Endemol edited the "Limerick" out of the show, "So the Daily Star tells us"

My head is screwed on right:thumbs: and to anyone who thinks otherwise, I shall laugh & laugh at the ****

Shilpafan is a Shilpafan and as a Shilpafan will support Shilpa and as two white housemates have cracked a joke, using the word:- "Tacky", (Jo O'Meara & Jack Tweed) obviously meaning the word (P), who are also friendly to two other housemates too, (Jade Goody & Danielle Lloyd) who have been brought into this "jest", as they are together on the dislike towards Shilpa Shetty, as they found her quite patronising and other stuff....

Anyway, I can understand Shilpafan's dislike of this racist joke ! and she is entitled to her opinion, as do other members, who may feel the same or differently.

This is where Endemol used their nouse at this point, so it wouldn't end up offending anyone, as it was edited out.

But like, Stu & myself has said, "Racist jokes have become acceptable in society", "for as long as I know"

If it wasn't? Then everything to do with "Racist jokes" would be totally BANNED, but it isn't...

Type in the (P) word & then put (Dot Com):- "That is:- .com" and you will be shocked at that website.

This goes to show that it is accepted on the web.







nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Stu, most of the shows you have listed use race either as a parody of other shows of do it in a satirical way. The cbb contestants would not know satire if it kicked them in the nuts. They were just looking for words that rhyme with "****" for a laugh and did not care for the affects it may have had on others. If there was no harm in what they were doing then why not do it in front of Shilpa? Because they knew it was wrong.

[Dr43%er]

"In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour","

Once again Warren Mitchell was using satire to take the piss out of white working class people who held the same views as "Alf Garnet". In a recent interview he talked about how people who still have those views come up to him thinking Alf Garnet was a real person and a hero for their kind.

With regards to ****.com That is young people of Pakistani decent claiming the word back for themselves. In the same way some black people use "******" and some gays use "fag" This is not "Shocking". Does that mean you can use "******" and "fag"?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Most of the shows you have mentioned are pre-recorded. CBB isn't such a show. They could have easily edited out the racist bits which we could have clearly done without. You might be one to support racism and watch certain shows and LOL with the alleged "jokes" but not me
Well if you do not want to support the TV show that brought this racism to our screens , dont watch Big Brother 8. Its as simple as that.

This racism row was not a big deal at all , it could have gone unoticed , but it just so happened that the papers picked it up. Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal. I have no time for these zealots who months later are still going on about it , effectivly spreading the word of racism.

You want to see it as racism? Fine , but get over it and look at the bright side of life.

The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism.

[Dr43%er]

"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal?

Oh, I have no problem with big brother. Just hate mongers.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal.
Err pretty much yeah for me. Because ive never encountered it personally , and I see no reason to give any sort of thought , care or recognition to homophobic people. Look on the bright side.

So yeah. Boo Hoo. Big deal.

[Dr43%er]

So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack. Not having a go. just wondering.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack. Not having a go. just wondering.
I would not give much of a **** to it to be perfectly honest. Whats the point in dwelling in the grey areas of life. Come with me to May , and together lets put the bloody racism row behind us :thumbs:.

[Dr43%er]

If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****




Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."




If you are strong enough to rise above it then all credit to you.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****




Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."




If you are strong enough to rise above it then all credit to you.
Here is my stance. Could it happen? Yeah. but their are also people out their who could do the same to YOU for no reason AT ALL [theirs some sick cats out their].

So the way I see it , its safe to assume the likelyhood of it happening is slim , so I see no reason to worry about it.

And should somehting like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does.

[Dr43%er]

"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then?
Course it would. And I know what your getting to. Yes the racism row did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 4 months ago???

[Dr43%er]

taking it to the extreme.

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
taking it to the extreme.

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???
Yeah but we are talking about a few million jews getting killed versus one indian getting lambasted on British television because she overcooked a chicken.

[Dr43%er]

I did say I was taking it to the extreme :rolleyes:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I did say I was taking it to the extreme :rolleyes:
Hehehehehe. Well enough about the holocaust , BB8 is on in 4 days! :joker::joker::joker:.

[nodisharmony]

Trying to figure this out?? A battle? I think?:puzzled:


Originally posted by Dr43%er
"But last night MP Keith Vaz, who led the protests in Parliament, said: “C4 has behaved in an arrogant way. Andy Duncan should realise the contempt shown … now merits his resignation.” "

Keith Vaz is a politician and will naturally have his own view and opinion on the subject at hand. He has to follow certain rules naturally, but like all politicians, he will have his own mind. Channel 4 has behaved in the way they have chosen to behave. If Keith has a problem, then he shall have to address it in his way. Resignations are little to do with this issue

I liked it on channel 4's news when krishnan guru murthy pointed out to him that he (Vaz) did not resign when he broke parliamentary rules. " ah well I was suspended, that was different."

Keith Vaz may be slippery at times, but once again, it hardly matters at all, in fact, (One Bit) Channel 4 news always takes every issue seriously and questions politicians and enjoys it. Hopefully they can make a mistake and the Newspapers will jump on them. They have to be careful

Typical hypocritical **** from the self promoting t***.

Shame, but tough:laugh:

I can't add anything that Space Bandit has all ready not on the other subject.

Wise:wink: Been there, done it, wore the T-Shirt. Yes, very much known by those

Most of the shows that were listed use race either as a parody of other shows of do it in a satirical way.

They still contain Racism of some sort and are quite available to all. Watershed or No Watershed

The cbb contestants would not know satire if it kicked them in the nuts.

Psychic, are you:rolleyes::rolleyes:

They were just looking for words that rhyme with "pa*i" for a laugh and did not care for the affects it may have had on others.

The housemates in question were jesting without Shilpa being present. It is very obvious, that none of these four in question would ever choose to say it in front of Shilpa. Many people talk and spread nasty horrible things about a person behind their backs, not just in CBB either:wink::wink: So many should practice what they are preaching today & before. I would certainly say that it was in the form of a jest-joke and Endemol edited out, so no harm done.

If there was no harm in what they were doing then why not do it in front of Shilpa?

They do as they please and Shilpa should respect that some don't particularly like her

Because they knew it was wrong.

That is debatable

"In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour","

I never watched it personally, but I am aware of it's content

Once again Warren Mitchell was using satire to take the p**s out of white working class people who held the same views as "Alf Garnet".

Popular, at the time!

In a recent interview he talked about how people who still have those views come up to him thinking Alf Garnet was a real person and a hero for their kind.

That goes for baddies in soap opera's. Some people believe anything you know:rolleyes:

With regards to pa**.com That is young people of Pakistani decent claiming the word back for themselves.

But that is not always obvious to everyone. Some people assume that it is just the shortened version of Pakistani. Many will assume that it doesn't offend others that much. I remember at the time, on the local and national TV news, when a few Indian people were interviewed on the street, many considered the furore to be NOT so bad. Lot's are broadminded and don't take life too seriously regarding this (P) word either

In the same way some black people use "ni*ger" and some gays use "f*g" This is not "Shocking".

We all notice that in Rap music and Gay people will also have different views on the "f*g" word too

Does that mean you can use "ni*ger" and "f*g"?

People do all kinds of things


"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

Those who burn effegys are fanatical people. Some people are like that in England, aren't they:wink: But they don't burn effegys, they just make a small situation into something much bigger. Racism exists, but condoning it is wrong, it shouldn't happen, agreed!! But as there was no racism in CBB5, except a few words and comments which may have been construed to some as having possible racial overtones, nothing more, nothing less. The Limerick issue, is being sorted now. Once again, nothing severe

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal?

What Stu decides to have on his Avatar pic is neither-here-nor-there as regards to CBB5 or this topic.

Oh, I have no problem with big brother. Just hate mongers.

Big Brother exists, whether you like it or not. But hatemongers, well, they exist too and many hate Jade Goody, so you must hate them too, agreed!!!

So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack.

Nobody can answer that question politically correct. We all protect ourselves you know, just like everyone involved & entering the CBB house. Protection is everything

Not having a go.

No:rolleyes:

just wondering.

hmmm:rolleyes:

If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****

As above......Some things come first, you know.

Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."

I'm feeling sleepy:sleep::sleep:


"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then? ."

Trying to trap someone doesn't always work

taking it to the extreme.

Sometimes it is necassery to give an extreme example, to place an un-important situation in a shadier light

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???

The Holocaust was terrible!!! so was 9/11, but CBB5 race furore, I don't think it was that bad really

I did say I was taking it to the extreme

I would certainly say that is true twicely:rolleyes:











nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony
Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.
No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when she said that :wink:. The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

In a word "context"

South Park for instance has had plenty to say on the subject of race, but contextualised and not just as a spiteful attempt to denigrate and belittle another ..

Thats the difference

[Stu]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony
Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.
No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when she said that :wink:. The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

In a word "context"

South Park for instance has had plenty to say on the subject of race, but contextualised and not just as a spiteful attempt to denigrate and belittle another ..

Thats the difference
Ive been through this argument loads of times , could not really be bothered doing it again , and if you want my point of view look at my previous posts , or alternativly I can sum up the entire race row in threee words...

Get over it...

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Stu

Ive been through this argument loads of times , could not really be bothered doing it again , and if you want my point of view look at my previous posts , or alternativly I can sum up the entire race row in threee words...

Get over it...

A production featuring racism as entertainment, even though it may have a "message" in context is one thing.

But you accept it by real people towards real people in the name of your edification and entertainment.



Through a mirror..... and darkly

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."

I'm feeling sleepy:sleep::sleep:



nodisharmony

and yet nonexistant death threats to goody, a window in her house allegedly broken after CBB had you posting here in all shock and horror at the level of "violence" being threatened.

But a vicious murder committed on someone because of their sexuality brings about that response

More proof none that any were needed of your true agenda

as well as being an apologist for racism you make light of homopohobia - even when it results in murder.

What next...gypsies ?
Jews ?

Theres a board on a website called Stormfront, you are right at home there

[Sticks]

I think it is time this thread was locked as it is starting to get personal here

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


More proof none that any were needed of your true agenda


My true agenda is clear as crystal.

Endemol are the ones who must be held accountable for bad editing on the past "Celebrity Big Brother 5" show last January.

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd were housemates and argued with another housemate who they did not click with & that is it.

Forget everything else...

If Racism was present, then it is the editors job to understand what can happen, (when suspect footage is left in)

Sort yourselves out!!!

Endemol are more lucky than they think!!







nodisharmony :angel:

[Kristen]

I'm sick of hearing about the race row!
It's over finished, it wasn't even that bad! :mad:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Kristen
I'm sick of hearing about the race row!
It's over finished, it wasn't even that bad! :mad:
Thank you.

[Bells]

Even if it wasn't that bad, had it just been accepted and glossed over, people may have thought this kind of bullying is acceptable. I do agree that because it happened to a celeb like Shilpa, where she has a lot of fans, the situation was made a lot more global.

But I don't think it's all about ignorance/culture clashes. I think that because Shilpa's a pretty big film star as well, the HMs who were in the house probably of course didn't realise it. So they didn't exactly understand her behaviour, her actions, why she was guarded - these things I guess come with being a big celeb, and that too a foreign, international one. But that's just a theory.