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GiRTh
15-05-2018, 07:52 PM
Joe Hart & Jack Wilshere left out of England's World Cup squad
Goalkeeper Joe Hart and midfielder Jack Wilshere have been left out of England's World Cup squad by Gareth Southgate, BBC Sport has learned.

Hart, 31, who has won 75 caps, has had a poor season, conceding 39 goals in 19 Premier League games for West Ham - on loan from Manchester City.

Arsenal's 26-year-old Wilshere, who has had an injury-plagued career, managed 38 appearances this season.

Southgate reveals his 23-man squad for the tournament in Russia on Wednesday.

Hart has been England's first-choice goalkeeper for the last three major tournaments - Euro 2012, the 2014 World Cup and Euro 2016, as well as the qualifiers for this summer's event - but he has only played in one of the past five games under Southgate.

Everton's Jordan Pickford is likely to be England's number one this summer, with Stoke City's Jack Butland also a contender.

Wilshere has won 34 caps, scoring twice. His last appearance for his country was the Euro 2016 last-16 defeat by Iceland.

England have been drawn in Group G along with Belgium, Panama and Tunisia and start their World Cup campaign on 18 June against Tunisia.

Joe Hart's exclusion from England's World Cup squad continues the steep decline of the goalkeeper who was first choice in their last three major tournaments.

His England career is now surely over after 75 caps.

Hart is now in the painful position of having no future at England level and a very uncertain one at club level with his stay at West Ham now over. The fall from grace is complete.

Jack Wilshere's failure to make England's World Cup squad will not simply be based on form for Arsenal this season - it will also be the result of manager Gareth Southgate deciding he is simply a risk not worth taking.

Wilshere has shown occasional flashes of his best this season but not enough to make a persuasive case for inclusion and those questions surrounding his fitness have simply never gone away.

His late withdrawal from England's friendlies against the Netherlands in Amsterdam and Italy at Wembley in March through injury will have done nothing to strengthen his case.




Joe Hart & Jack Wilshere left out of England's World Cup squad (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44132401)

Baby Jane
15-05-2018, 07:54 PM
These are two of the only current footballers I know!

I can’t engage in pretend masc chats at work if the only players I know don’t play!

GiRTh
15-05-2018, 07:56 PM
Bold moves by Gareth but have to agree with both. If I was to sum up Wilshire's season then the positives would be that at least he showed he can again play more than three games in a row and he was probably our best players in the group stage of the Europa league. Other than that - Nothing. If I was to mention the negative I'd have to have a five minute think about it to get my thoughts in order. He's on 90k a week with his contract up this year so if he thinks he's getting 150k a week he's dreaming. He simply doesn't deserve it.

MTVN
15-05-2018, 08:03 PM
Fair enough, Hart has been ****e and there's no point having too many keepers

Alf
15-05-2018, 08:03 PM
Hart is quite a shocker, I can understand his form to a degree, but we have nobody else with his experience and a tournament is a perfect platform to find some form.

Very important position in the team is goalkeeper. I suppose it gives someone a chance to make a name for themselves.

Wilshire doesn't seem Southgate's kind of player.

Alf
15-05-2018, 08:13 PM
When's the full squad announced?

bots
15-05-2018, 08:25 PM
When's the full squad announced?

tomorrow

The squad is supposed to be "progressive". I actually don't mind them taking a chance on new players. It's almost a certainty that they will progress past the first round so they have nothing to lose

GiRTh
15-05-2018, 08:26 PM
tomorrow

The squad is supposed to be "progressive". I actually don't mind them taking a chance on new players. It's almost a certainty that they will progress past the first round so they have nothing to lose:facepalm:

Dont jinx it.

AnnieK
15-05-2018, 09:01 PM
Anyone know what time the squad will be announced tomorrow?

Alf
15-05-2018, 09:06 PM
Anyone know what time the squad will be announced tomorrow?I can't find any set time, but I'm sure it will be sometime before 3pm

rusticgal
15-05-2018, 09:08 PM
Bold move...but justifiable.

AnnieK
15-05-2018, 09:08 PM
I can't find any set time, but I'm sure it will be sometime before 3pm

Thanks Alf :love:

Shaun
15-05-2018, 10:16 PM
Hart makes sense.

I'll have to see the 9/10 midfielders actually chosen before I decide on Wilshere. If he's chosen Livermore or Barkley again, for example, it's idiotic.

The ones that should be going are: Lingard, Lallana, Loftus-Cheek, Cook, Wilshere, Alli, Sterling, Dier and Shelvey. Wouldn't totally be against Sessegnon going, either.

I'd have said the Ox if he weren't injured.

Alf
16-05-2018, 11:30 AM
Alexander-Arnold is rumoured to be picked

Never heard of him

Denver
16-05-2018, 01:06 PM
Alexander-Arnold is rumoured to be picked

Never heard of him

He has been the Liverpool 1st choice all season

Nicky91
16-05-2018, 01:07 PM
it would be a disaster if england doesn't survive the group stage :hehe:

Brother Leon
16-05-2018, 01:15 PM
Bang average squad outside of Kane,Ali,Sterling and Lingard.

Alf
16-05-2018, 01:16 PM
Goalkeepers
Butland
Pickford
Pope

Defenders
Walker
Trippier
A-Arnold
Stones
Cahill
Jones
Maguire
Young
Rose

Midfielders
Dier
Delph
Henderson
Loftus-Cheek
Lingard
Alli
Sterling

Forwards
Kane
Rashford
Vardy
Welbeck

Alf
16-05-2018, 01:19 PM
Bang average squad outside of Kane,Ali,Sterling and Lingard.Rashford will be star of the show.

Nicky91
16-05-2018, 01:25 PM
Rashford will be star of the show.

other countries cower in fear, cause Rashford is here


:joker: :joker: :joker:

Alf
16-05-2018, 01:33 PM
other countries cower in fear, cause Rashford is here


:joker: :joker: :joker:Yep, Rashford will be there, but the Dutch won't.

Nicky91
16-05-2018, 01:39 PM
Yep, Rashford will be there, but the Dutch won't.

true, us dutch have flopped :laugh2:

bots
16-05-2018, 02:20 PM
it's not a squad that conjures any excitement

Barry.
16-05-2018, 02:23 PM
Joe Hart hasn't been the best so meh.

Shaun
16-05-2018, 02:32 PM
Can't really fathom why Cahill's been chosen over Smalling and Tarkowski.

GiRTh
16-05-2018, 02:34 PM
Cahill????:conf:-Chelsea fans want him sold.

James
18-05-2018, 10:41 PM
Was just looking at the squads and England is the only country where all the players play club football in their home country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_squads

Mystic Mock
19-05-2018, 05:48 AM
On merit they both didn't deserve to get picked imo as Joe Hart's hardly played, and Wilshere I just don't think has ever lived up to his hype, and does suffer from alot of injuries.

I know that the Media are mystified as to why Wilshere hasn't been picked, but for me not taking Hart is the bigger gamble as his relying on very inexperienced Goalkeepers to replace him.

Mystic Mock
19-05-2018, 05:59 AM
Goalkeepers
Butland
Pickford
Pope

Defenders
Walker
Trippier
A-Arnold
Stones
Cahill
Jones
Maguire
Young
Rose

Midfielders
Dier
Delph
Henderson
Loftus-Cheek
Lingard
Alli
Sterling

Forwards
Kane
Rashford
Vardy
Welbeck

My starting 11 based off this squad would be.

Butland - A reliable Goalkeeper that was the only player to actually play well for Stoke this season, and he was a Blues Goalkeeper aswell and that's one area that our Scouts are quite good at spotting, so I'd trust him not to choke on the occasion compared to Pickford and Pope.

Walker - Obviously one of England's best defenders at the moment.

Stones - He has been playing well for the champions so deserves a shot.

Jones - A reliable player that will do a bit of the dirty work for the team.

Young - A more modern and less talented version of Ashley Cole, can defend and attack so he is a good all-rounder to start with.

Henderson - He'd be my captain of the team.

Lingard - He has played really well for Man Utd this season, how he wasn't picked more often for the team was beyond me, he would definitely be in my starting 11.

Alli

Sterling

Kane

Vardy

There's a few possible formations Southgate could go for with this starting 11 I feel that could be effective.

Beso
19-05-2018, 06:04 AM
Butland, lol.

Mystic Mock
19-05-2018, 11:16 AM
Butland, lol.

Well who would you pick? Pickford is overrated, and Pope has never played a single game for England.

Vladimir
19-05-2018, 11:53 AM
Hart :( Tbf he declined so rapidly, no surprise there