BB 8: Thou shalt not bully and Boring BB? (merged)

[Red Moon]

BB 8: Thou shalt not bully
BIG Brother chiefs have held a crisis meeting to rewrite the housemates’ rulebook to avoid any more race rows erupting.

They will take a much tougher stance on bullying contestants who step out of line.

Instead of formal warnings, wannabes who break the rules will be kicked out of the house straight away.

In the new BB8 “bible”, the housemates will be told they must not cause serious offence to other contestants or telly viewers by:

* Using language attacking people’s age, disability, race, religion or sexual orientation;
* Sexually harassment of others;
* Bullying others in the BB house.

The move was sparked after Channel 4 was rapped by Ofcom over this year’s Celebrity Big Brother.

Some 44,500 viewers complained that producers should have stepped in earlier to stop the racism against Shilpa Shetty, 31 (pictured with fellow housemate Danielle Lloyd).

Ofcom blasted the station for “serious errors in judgment” for showing Jade Goody, 25, calling the actress “Shilpa Poppadom” and Jo O’Meara, 28, claiming Indians ate food with their fingers.

As a result Channel 4 must issue three on-air apologies next week for the offence it caused.

Now producers have been forced to scrap the old rulebook and the new BB bible will be put into the house when the show starts on Wednesday.

TV chiefs will warn the contestants they will intervene at the earliest opportunity if there is “unacceptable behaviour” and contestants will be thrown out if they break the rules.

Director of Television Kevin Lygo said: “I believe these measures are a sensible tightening of our procedures.

“Channel 4 is doing everything possible to prevent a repeat of the public offence caused by the programme while staying true to the format of Big Brother.”
Source:Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1760)

[Stu]

Its not looking good is it?

[Red Moon]

Well they had to do something after Jade and Co. to make sure it didn't happen again. They have to make sure they have done all they can so OFCOM doesn't come down on them again. I just hope it doesn't spoil the show.

[Michael]

sounds rubbish lol

[Red Moon]

Unlike the normal Daily Star stuff this one contains names and it is more likely to be true.

[Cody™]

id be really annoyed if we dont get to see any 'action' in the house this year cuz of all this rubbish.

[Stu]

Hopefully it wont get the housemates to hold back !!!

[Nicola]

Yeah I hope it doesn't get to a stage where arguments get out of hand and housemates get ejected for things that were said in the heat of the moment, or if comments were misconstrued.

If there are cliques that gang up on a particular housemate then it is right that they get punished, for example if they keep bitching about someone or exclude them from the group. There will always be friendship groups and cliques within the house but they shouldn't gang up on or bully other people.

[Kore]

i think people go way over bourd in big brother shows.

they just brand people BULLY and RACIST for stupid little things. bleugh

[Fom]

I agree, what jade did was hardly racist bullying.
They were having an argument, but because of shilpas race everyone is like "oh my goood noo"

I could imagine a hell of alot worse happening. Some people are so whiney, they should just get over it and not complain :S

[Billy]

this years gonna be a trainwreck =)
They did the exact opposite of what was necessary.
Instead of showing the Public THEY were in charge, the show that OFCOM and whoever else is.

[nodisharmony]

It won't work!!!:yuk::yuk:


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BIG Brother chiefs have held a crisis meeting to rewrite the housemates’ rulebook to avoid any more race rows erupting.

No Race-Row would ever happen again! That is the most stupid quote ever, saying that they are going to have to rewrite the rulebook about racism. It already exists:yuk: Nobody would EVER dare be nasty or argumentative or anything bad you could ever think of to a future non-white housemate. It would be more than their lives worth, to do that

They will take a much tougher stance on bullying contestants who step out of line.

This is the most stupid idea too. Big Brother survives, simply because viewers who watch the show, need to be entertained and kept on the edge of their seat. Dramatic situations, such as "Arguing" and "Strong disagreements" + "Other drama" keeps viewers interested throughout the very long three month+ length show. This new rule will KILL ratings and if this happens, the BB show will be axed completely. No decent ratings, NO BB9!!!

Instead of formal warnings, wannabes who break the rules will be kicked out of the house straight away.

That is totally unfair and I hope that if that happens, that all the other housemates walk out too, in revolt! Endemol have invested a lot and so has Channel 4. The housemates need to understand what (people-power) actually means. Endemol better get together on this and edit, then destroy edited-out evidence. The future depends on you:wink:

In the new BB8 “bible”, the housemates will be told they must not cause serious offence to other contestants or telly viewers by:

* Using language attacking people’s age, disability, race, religion or sexual orientation;
* Sexually harassment of others;
* Bullying others in the BB house.

That means NO swearing!! NO making fun of a 22 year old & saying that "I'm 23, so Ha! Ha!, you're not old enough, because you are a year younger". So for that, they fet chucked out. All the rest just sends us to :sleep::sleep: We all know this is crazy & stupid & won't make good ratings and spoil the show

The move was sparked after Channel 4 was rapped by Ofcom over this year’s Celebrity Big Brother.

Hardly relevant:rolleyes: That was a race-row furore only!! There has always been bullying on BB shows and arguing. Oh yes, let's NOT forget that Shilpa Shetty made NO complaints whatsoever.

Some 44,500 viewers complained that producers should have stepped in earlier to stop the racism against Shilpa Shetty

Well, Endemol had a show to do and they don't want to listen to 44,500 moaning minnies actually:sleep::sleep: They tie up a lot of money on BB & CBB Nevermind that furore!! I don't think that there is many on this forum TIBB who want to see BB end. I certainly don't!!


Ofcom blasted the station for “serious errors in judgment” for showing Jade Goody, 25, calling the actress “Shilpa Poppadom” and Jo O’Meara, 28, claiming Indians ate food with their fingers.

Are we talking about mass-murder here???? or kidnapping, rape, mugging, desease, earthquake, 9/11, should I go on?? NO, not necassary....Just a few words and comments which may be construed to some as containing racial over-tones and that is it. Nevermind this "limerick" joke thing. Big Brother 8 is more important!!!! does any fan agree??

As a result Channel 4 must issue three on-air apologies next week for the offence it caused.

Well apologise then, if it makes Ofcom go away and crawl back from wence they came. Their timing for this is Cr**

Now producers have been forced to scrap the old rulebook and the new BB bible will be put into the house when the show starts on Wednesday.

Lucky house-mates!! NOT...Lucky viewers!! NOT... Well perhaps we will be lucky and they can entertain us and keep us glued to watching. I will be watching it all regardless of this rule-book, but if ratings dip too low, I can't imagine what Endemol or CH4 will do?? I guess they might have a meeting mid-way through the show, if things get too bad, ratingswise

TV chiefs will warn the contestants they will intervene at the earliest opportunity if there is “unacceptable behaviour” and contestants will be thrown out if they break the rules.

Yes, we know

Director of Television Kevin Lygo said: “I believe these measures are a sensible tightening of our procedures.

Is Kevin Lygo part of this BB partnership?? CH4 can make money from something else quite easily.

“Channel 4 is doing everything possible to prevent a repeat of the public offence caused by the programme while staying true to the format of Big Brother.”

Political Correctness is so lovely and for those who are so, so, so, so, scared to really speak their minds and hide away and say nothing and just hope for the best. Just say nothing while Rome burns:devil:


Glad I can be really honest and truthful and not hide, ("relentless" to helping against unfairness)



nodisharmony :angel:

[sol]

If this is true then it looks like this year's BB is going to be a bit of a bore. :rolleyes:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by sol
If this is true then it looks like this year's BB is going to be a bit of a bore. :rolleyes:

Yep thanks to Jade and Co. :mad:

[Bells]

If watching bullying means entertainment, then frankly I'd rather not watch it or be 'entertained'.

I thought BB's entertainment was about other stuff anyway - that's what's been making me tune in these last few years. Maybe they've made the above statement more strict than it should be, but will be more flexible when it comes to it. They don't want to take any chances right now. The problem with CBB was that Shilpa already had a huge fanbase - that won't exactly be the case this time around, which may seem unfair I know, but that's the truth. I think HMs will perhaps be more careful about what they say to begin with, but people are ignorant in the world and I think in the long run their actions won't be that affected.

[Arneldo]

I don't think its fair to say it's going to be boring just going by what its says in the papers. Its all about the choice of housemates, as its them who make the show. If the producers choose the right ones then they don't need any twists, and they don't need any manipulation editing. It will just be the perfect mix of fun, bitching, argument and even more fun.

[Billy]

^^^ but by the looks of it there wont be any bitching or arguments

[Red Moon]

I think what people are affraid of is that we are going to have another Big Brother 4 on our hands. Hopefully it won't get to that and they like the last few posters have said "get the mix right" to make it a good show.

[~Kizwiz~]

Oh god please dont let us have another BB4 :bawling:

[Arneldo]

Maybe another BB4 is what we need to see just how good the last few series have been. I don't think it will be another BB4. I'm hoping we will get a series more like BB1, BB2 or BB3. You never know though, the producers might choose even more controversial housemates to over shadow the last series.

[Billy]

hopefully it follows in the footsteps of Big Brother 5, the best IMO

[texbex]

glad they have done that like but that doesnt mean everythings gonna be fine in the house :nono:

[nodisharmony]

The New Rule-book has been written and as the article states, the New house-mates will have no choice but to observe the rules.

Fantasizing that BB shows with complience to these new rules will still create good ratings is okay to believe.

I am more of a realist and I would expect a problem actually.

"Launch night" will be fine! Great ratings and great enthusiasm for the show ahead:thumbs:

The problem with BB8 as with past BB shows, is the length in which it goes on. Quite a hell of a long time.

For those who were not aware of the poor ratings for CBB5 before Endemol decided to make adjustments, which lead towards the race-furore, Well, Endemol was showing concerns then and CBB is a much shorter show, MUCH SHORTER!!!

If they don't come down too hard on the House-mates for BB8 and they use their descression and this article is just a kind of scaremongering ploy only!! We could find that ratings won't be too low.

But, if they do start throwing housemates out, due to something very small, but against the rulebook, then I suspect trouble:mad:

Perhaps a mutiny of house-mates or just very-bad ratings, which result in Endemol having to make a decision. Maybe a BAD one for fans:sad::sad:







nodisharmony :angel:

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by Fom
I agree, what jade did was hardly racist bullying.
They were having an argument, but because of shilpas race everyone is like "oh my goood noo"

I could imagine a hell of alot worse happening. Some people are so whiney, they should just get over it and not complain :S

Exactly
(off topic: i agree with like 100% of your posts lol)

[Red Moon]

I really feel it is unfair to think that Endemol would create a racist divide in the house just to improve ratings of the show. Endemol didn't put the words into Jade Gobby's dirty fool mouth. She managed to do that herself with the help of her lap dog bitches.

Poor ratings in the middle of any Big Brother show are quite common for various reasons. For example. One problem for the show is the fact that the school holidays affect the shows ratings. People like going away over of the summer and this naturally reduces the the potential audience for the show. So it's not just the length of the show that causes problem with the ratings it is when the show is aired. And with a long show it is common to get a drop in ratings which pick up at the end it's just natural. I think putting the show on at 10pm will actually improve the rating since it won't be competing in a prime time slot.

Another thing is you have to remember your average viewer wants things going on in the house. People that don't like each other, fights and arguments and a bit of bare flesh helps too. The tension and conflict make the show more interesting. Having rules to reduce the tensions in the house will ultimately turn those viewers off from the show. Worse still could cause another Big Brother 4. The biggest yawn in Big Brother UK history.

We all need to understand these rules have been created because of the bullying out bursts by Jade Gobby and her lap dog bitches. If this show fails because of the rules it will be her big mouth we have to blame and not the Endemol or Channel 4.

[Chrizzle]

Problem is, some of the public are so stupid and say that 'bitching' is 'bullying' which therefore means theyll be no bitching this year.

[andybigbro]

Yeah there needs to be a little bit of tension ir BB would be pretty dull, not everyone gets on thats life

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
I really feel it is unfair to think that Endemol would create a racist divide in the house just to improve ratings of the show.

They never would create a racist-divide in any BB or CBB in the future, that is obvious and hasn't been suggested within this thread. Nobody is condoning racism and nobody is expecting it to happen in any future shows either. But in real life, it does occur, serious & humourous

Endemol didn't put the words into Jade Gobby's dirty fool mouth. She managed to do that herself with the help of her lap dog bitches.

But Endemol are in control of the editors and the editors should have noticed what many, many thousand complained about at that time. Also, those who did not complain at the time, will have spotted it anyway. Jade Goody and her friends formed into a little group. Little groups can form anywhere, you know:wink: The group which formed in the CBB house in January, just found Shilpa Shetty to be patronising and awful. They just did not click with her. If Shilpa had not been Shilpa, but instead, "A white housemate called (Pippa) "Let's say", there would NOT have been the furore, even if the arguing and bullying was more serious. We all know this, so it's hardly worth going over, time & time again, even for some who can't see that. Jade Goody and her friends are hated today by many and naturally people have a right to their opinion!

Poor ratings in the middle of any Big Brother show are quite common for various reasons. For example. One problem for the show is the fact that the school holidays affect the shows ratings. People like going away over of the summer and this naturally reduces the the potential audience for the show. So it's not just the length of the show that causes problem with the ratings it is when the show is aired. And with a long show it is common to get a drop in ratings which pick up at the end it's just natural.

That is very, very true. Timing is everything. But I just have this obvious feeling that Endemol have profit margins on their minds and even though it is nice to point out the obvious downsides. The new rule-book will make things worse and worse is no good:sad: Nobody is in the "favour" business, where Endemol is concerned. No decent ratings!! No BB9 or CBB6 either. Richard Branson's people will be watching this space closely, trust me

I think putting the show on at 10pm will actually improve the rating since it won't be competing in a prime time slot.

Could be a double-edge sword really!! Many younger viewers who are still at school, may decide to tape it instead, also, there will be other downsides too

Another thing is you have to remember your average viewer wants things going on in the house. People that don't like each other, fights and arguments and a bit of bare flesh helps too. The tension and conflict make the show more interesting. Having rules to reduce the tensions in the house will ultimately turn those viewers off from the show.

That is absolutely true. It is part of the show and the New Rules will spoil things, maybe too badly:sad:

Worse still could cause another Big Brother 4. The biggest yawn in Big Brother UK history.

I never saw that show and from what I hear, I am glad I did miss it

We all need to understand these rules have been created because of the bullying out bursts by Jade Gobby and her lap dog bitches.

Not true. The reason these new rules have been put into place, is because the editors from Endemol didn't edit the CBB5 show properly. They saw, huge profit and great ratings and were blinded by the possibilities which came from this possible racial situation between Shilpa and the three girls. If they had warned all three girls and showed nothing controversial like we witnessed, then the shows ratings wouldn't have risen. There would have been NO furore and NO investigations or new rules for BB8 & the future would have ever happened. Jade, Jo & Danielle + Jack also, would have walked away like angels:angel: But instead, their lives were turned upside-down by bad editing

If this show fails because of the rules it will be her big mouth we have to blame and not the Endemol or Channel 4.

Some like to think so:rolleyes:








nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

It was implied in this thread that Endemol created a racist-divide by making a making adjustments, which lead towards the race-furore. It was also implied that this was done to increase viewing ratings for the show and so increase profits.

Let me point out Emdemol where not responsible for the formation of groups in the the house or for Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches patronising bulling. If Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches had kept there dirty big mouths shut then none of the new rules would have been needed. Hence my claim they are to blame ultimately for the new rules being put in place. Endemol and Channel 4 are just responding to the fall out from the incident that they created. Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches should consider themselves lucky that Endemol and Channel 4 defend them so well while the show was on and during OFCOM's investigation.

As for your little personal digs at me I rise above them and won't give the them a moment of thought but in passing.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
It was implied in this thread that Endemol created a racist-divide by making adjustments, which lead towards the race-furore.

The race furore was caused by Endemol choosing to keep in the show, words & comments which may be construed to some as having racial overtones. All words and comments came from Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. But Jack Tweed has been mentioned more as late

It was also implied that this was done to increase viewing ratings for the show and so increase profits.

It did increase ratings. By increasing ratings, more profits will follow naturally.

Let me point out Endemol were not responsible for the formation of groups in the house or for Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches patronising bulling.

I can agree that Endemol is not responsible for groups forming. That will always happen in life. Jade Goody is well known for speaking her mind and does it in her own kind of way, which does offend some people. Whether she is just playing to the cameras, well, thats debatable... It was Shilpa who was patronising. Even the kept-in footage spoke volumes on that score. But we actually see so little, so it's hard to judge, what actually happened to spark this problem off. Some say it was Shilpa's cooking of the chicken, but, but, but, maybe NOT??

If Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches had kept there dirty big mouths shut then none of the new rules would have been needed.

[b]To Shilpa, or To Ken or To Dirk? All got some sort of hostilities from the three girls, but only one of the three I mentioned was a non-white housemate and as Shilpa Shetty was definately the most disliked housemate out of those three, it was inevitable that problems would occur and certainly did. Hense, race furore. But, sadly, once again, we come back to the editing crew who moderate the show. If you show that kind of footage, then it is easy to work out that a furore would follow.

Hence my claim they are to blame ultimately for the new rules being put in place.

The New Rules are something which has been decided by those who are at a higher level and this has come about due to Ofcom's recent investigation and also related to this "Limerick" thingy, which apparently is important:rolleyes: But like I have said in the first place. If a shows editing team can't edit properly and allow the remarks to come from all three girl's mouths stay in, as they were looking to make a bundle of cash, then it is Endemol who has to pay the ultimate price for not doing their job properly at the time

Endemol and Channel 4 are just responding to the fall out from the incident that they created.

The Big Brother show, managed & owned by Endemol, who broadcast their show on Channel 4 have to be left accountable. Passing the blame onto a housemate or housemates is proving to some, that the housemates are the one's who are in control. That can't be the case, can it??

Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches should consider themselves lucky that Endemol and Channel 4 defend them so well while the show was on and during OFCOM's investigation.

Well, they have to, you see:wink: They had NO choice. It's a legal thingy. Not a favour thingy.

As for your little personal digs at me I rise above them and won't give the them a moment of thought but in passing.

My only dig, was about your obvious dislike of all three girls. But naturally you have your opinion and I respect that and I hope you do the same in return, respectwise, that is!





nodisharmony :angel:

[the_chosen_one]

Im so glad there are rules being made to stop people ganging up. I switched off from celeb bb as soon as they started that horrible gang thing and its the thing that always ruins bb. My favourite was bb7, which nearly got ruined because of the gangs but as soon as the gang leaders were thrown out it became brilliant!!

This will be the best ever bb!:dance2::dance2:

[Red Moon]

May be the Endemol decided to keep the footage in the highlights program because it felt that the truth about Jade Gobby and her little lap dog bitches should be seen by the public so they could decide their fate. Some people might think it was in the best interests of the public that this little group of worthless people were shown in their true light and not edited to look good. These same people would say that Endemol has done us a big favor in helping destroy their careers and knock them off the pedestals some people put people like this on. Of course some people will think they are whiter than white and their views will unfortunately never be changed and they will always defend them over and over again and view them as Goddesses not to be touched.

I would imagine the extra income from larger audience figures was balanced out in the end by the loss to the the show of the income from the phone voting. Further to this given all the employee time spent after the show on the OFCOM compliant I would expect the show in real terms made less of a profit than was expected. This would seem the case looking at the profit figures of Channel 4.

I fear the Jade Gobby always speaks before putting her limited brain power into gear and she has always been a mindless patronising bully with a limited view on the world. I guess it was inevitable she would form surround herself with a group of like minded people to praise her from on high. There was no excuse for what she did in the house or her little dog bitches. People should respect other people especially when they have to live under the same roof. Yes Shilpa was different from her and her little gang but that was no reason to do what they did.

Jade Gobby and little lap dog bitches should take responsibility for what they have done and not continue to blame it on Endemol and then her fans might be able to do the same and move on. One must remember that they said what they said and Endemols mistake was to show it on national television in the way they did. At the end of the day if they hadn't said and did what they did then there wouldn't have been a problem. So I'm afraid that the blame can not be easily diverted from them. If that means the new Big Brother show is heavily regulated until the point of boredom then they will be ultimately to blame. I feel trying blame someone else for Jade Gobby and the her little dog bitches is a pointless task and thank less task given the evidence against them.

[Lil-Lindz]

It really isnt looking good, the way this is going there is going to be no arguements what so ever :bawling:

[nodisharmony]

Right, here goes:wink:

Originally posted by Red Moon
May be the Endemol decided to keep the footage in the highlights program because it felt that the truth about Jade Gobby and her little lap dog bitches should be seen by the public so they could decide their fate.

That was a possibility, but I would actually state a very, very, very good guess and say, that it was actually about money & absolutely nothing whatsoever else

Some people might think it was in the best interests of the public that this little group of worthless people were shown in their true light and not edited to look good.

But this theory is sadly not a very good idea, as if it were true, then why bring these three girls into the BB house. I furthermore say, that nobody was psychic and would actually have no idea that Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd were going to make lovely friends with the talented Jade Goody either

These same people would say that Endemol has done us a big favor in helping destroy their careers and knock them off the pedestals some people put people like this on.

But Danielle Lloyd is doing fine:thumbs: Jade Goody is doing okay and is preparing for a comeback and is having a baby and is really all over Jack Tweed. Jo O'Meara is NOT doing so well, so I guess it has hurt her most. But Endemol are not in the favour business. It is "Money Please" or ******* Off. That is just the business way:rolleyes:

Of course some people will think they are whiter than white and their views will unfortunately never be changed and they will always defend them over and over again and view them as Goddesses not to be touched.

I can see that they are whiter than white in their complexions, ain't that the truth:rolleyes: But, in personality, they will have faults, as-do-we-all. Naturally, they will have their supporters and some haters get trodden on by accident, kind of getting in the way as such

I would imagine the extra income from larger audience figures was balanced out in the end by the loss to the show of the income from the phone voting.

It is all possible, but Endemol were probably thinking of a Royal Flush or something. Complete and total victory!!

Further to this given all the employee time spent after the show on the OFCOM compliant I would expect the show in real terms made less of a profit than was expected. This would seem the case looking at the profit figures of Channel 4.

Well that is just the way things go, when you make experiments. But they gave it a good shot anyway

I fear the Jade Gobby always speaks before putting her limited brain power into gear

Jade Goody is more clever than many do think actually. She is quite aware of what actually makes reality shows profitable. She has "John Noel",you know:wink: He will know a thing or twenty:wink:

she has always been a mindless patronising bully

Known her since birth have we:rolleyes: She has done three shows and come over rather agressive in her mannerisms, but Jade Goody does that. Maybe it is just her bad luck meeting a few waste-of-time-types or something:rolleyes:

with a limited view on the world.

Jade knows best:wink: less limited than some would think

I guess it was inevitable she would form surround herself with a group of like minded people to praise her from on high.

Jade Goody warmed with Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. They found the argument, oh-so-funny:laugh::laugh: The two girls just agreed with Jade Goody and they all shared the same opinion of Shilpa. Some people just don't get on, some enjoy it too

There was no excuse for what she did in the house or her little dog bitches.

If you don't "click", you don't "click", it's just the way the cookie crumbles. It was just one of those things.

People should respect other people

Shilpa Shetty could have stopped that argument, at least two minutes into it. I watched the footage again & again and Shilpa kept annoying Jade Goody and Jo & Danielle too. But they were rom different worlds and cultures, thats all

especially when they have to live under the same roof.

There is always problems in BB shows, this is a whole different thing. It is about Racism and that's it, hense, race-furore

Yes Shilpa was different from her and her little gang

I could spot that visually and from watching the whole show, I could also see her demeaner towards the three girls. There was a kind of tension

that was no reason to do what they did.

Anylising it won't change it, you know:conf:

Jade Gobby and little lap dog bitches should take responsibility for what they have done and not continue to blame it on Endemol

But they will blame Endemol, as it was them who should have edited out such material which may have offended and indeed did. Jade Goody was very sorry for her bullying of Shilpa and was indeed upset and did what she could to make ammends. She did not have to do that. Look what Jo & Danielle did? Much less, I must say.

then her fans might be able to do the same and move on.

Most people want to move on anyway. BB8 is here in a short while and whether someone is a fan or not. It is quite easy to work out, that placing this behind us, instead of Ofcom, dredging it back towards us again, must be a better way for all. Fans & NON-Fans alike:thumbs:

One must remember that they said what they said and Endemols mistake was to show it on national television in the way they did.

None of us is likely to forget, that is pretty obvious really. If Endemol chooses to show footage which will obviously offend, then the end justified the means and Ofcom are right ready, right now

At the end of the day if they hadn't said and did what they did then there wouldn't have been a problem.

If you didn't drop an egg on the floor, it wouldn't smash. But Endemol allowed the footage to be shown and then the furore followed. That is now called hind-sight

So I'm afraid that the blame can not be easily diverted from them.

Well I am afraid it has to be the opposite once again:sleep::sleep:

If that means the new Big Brother show is heavily regulated until the point of boredom

It is the sudden Ofcom investigation which has prompted the New Rule book to be written. Boredom may follow, unless Endemol can be very sneaky and clever:wink:

then they will be ultimately to blame.

Endemol

I feel trying to blame someone else for Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches is a pointless task and thank less task given the evidence against them.

It's not a problem worth much more attention. Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd are now walking freely away from this little, little problem. But at the time, it was a nightmare. But we all get them at some point, ain't that the truth:rolleyes:





nodisharmony :angel:

[Bigbrotherin]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
It won't work!!!:yuk::yuk:


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BIG Brother chiefs have held a crisis meeting to rewrite the housemates’ rulebook to avoid any more race rows erupting.

No Race-Row would ever happen again! That is the most stupid quote ever, saying that they are going to have to rewrite the rulebook about racism. It already exists:yuk: Nobody would EVER dare be nasty or argumentative or anything bad you could ever think of to a future non-white housemate. It would be more than their lives worth, to do that

They will take a much tougher stance on bullying contestants who step out of line.

This is the most stupid idea too. Big Brother survives, simply because viewers who watch the show, need to be entertained and kept on the edge of their seat. Dramatic situations, such as "Arguing" and "Strong disagreements" + "Other drama" keeps viewers interested throughout the very long three month+ length show. This new rule will KILL ratings and if this happens, the BB show will be axed completely. No decent ratings, NO BB9!!!

Instead of formal warnings, wannabes who break the rules will be kicked out of the house straight away.

That is totally unfair and I hope that if that happens, that all the other housemates walk out too, in revolt! Endemol have invested a lot and so has Channel 4. The housemates need to understand what (people-power) actually means. Endemol better get together on this and edit, then destroy edited-out evidence. The future depends on you:wink:

In the new BB8 “bible”, the housemates will be told they must not cause serious offence to other contestants or telly viewers by:

* Using language attacking people’s age, disability, race, religion or sexual orientation;
* Sexually harassment of others;
* Bullying others in the BB house.

That means NO swearing!! NO making fun of a 22 year old & saying that "I'm 23, so Ha! Ha!, you're not old enough, because you are a year younger". So for that, they fet chucked out. All the rest just sends us to :sleep::sleep: We all know this is crazy & stupid & won't make good ratings and spoil the show

The move was sparked after Channel 4 was rapped by Ofcom over this year’s Celebrity Big Brother.

Hardly relevant:rolleyes: That was a race-row furore only!! There has always been bullying on BB shows and arguing. Oh yes, let's NOT forget that Shilpa Shetty made NO complaints whatsoever.

Some 44,500 viewers complained that producers should have stepped in earlier to stop the racism against Shilpa Shetty

Well, Endemol had a show to do and they don't want to listen to 44,500 moaning minnies actually:sleep::sleep: They tie up a lot of money on BB & CBB Nevermind that furore!! I don't think that there is many on this forum TIBB who want to see BB end. I certainly don't!!


Ofcom blasted the station for “serious errors in judgment” for showing Jade Goody, 25, calling the actress “Shilpa Poppadom” and Jo O’Meara, 28, claiming Indians ate food with their fingers.

Are we talking about mass-murder here???? or kidnapping, rape, mugging, desease, earthquake, 9/11, should I go on?? NO, not necassary....Just a few words and comments which may be construed to some as containing racial over-tones and that is it. Nevermind this "limerick" joke thing. Big Brother 8 is more important!!!! does any fan agree??

As a result Channel 4 must issue three on-air apologies next week for the offence it caused.

Well apologise then, if it makes Ofcom go away and crawl back from wence they came. Their timing for this is Cr**

Now producers have been forced to scrap the old rulebook and the new BB bible will be put into the house when the show starts on Wednesday.

Lucky house-mates!! NOT...Lucky viewers!! NOT... Well perhaps we will be lucky and they can entertain us and keep us glued to watching. I will be watching it all regardless of this rule-book, but if ratings dip too low, I can't imagine what Endemol or CH4 will do?? I guess they might have a meeting mid-way through the show, if things get too bad, ratingswise

TV chiefs will warn the contestants they will intervene at the earliest opportunity if there is “unacceptable behaviour” and contestants will be thrown out if they break the rules.

Yes, we know

Director of Television Kevin Lygo said: “I believe these measures are a sensible tightening of our procedures.

Is Kevin Lygo part of this BB partnership?? CH4 can make money from something else quite easily.

“Channel 4 is doing everything possible to prevent a repeat of the public offence caused by the programme while staying true to the format of Big Brother.”

Political Correctness is so lovely and for those who are so, so, so, so, scared to really speak their minds and hide away and say nothing and just hope for the best. Just say nothing while Rome burns:devil:


Glad I can be really honest and truthful and not hide, ("relentless" to helping against unfairness)



nodisharmony :angel:

I think its daily star trash, but you right. If its true this will be boring and rubbish. They should have a rule about racism but having rules against agism and bullying is stupid; what defines bullying anyway? and why cant the daily star write properly 'they must bullying others in the house' is how that reads to me lol. If someone says 'shut up bob, i hate you, you bore me you old fart' would they get kicked out? because that could be seen as bullying and ageism which big brother doesn't tolerate :conf2:. I'm hoping this is just balls.

[moonwolf]

I might be speaking out of turn here - seeing as it's only my second post - but as far as I'm concerned Jade Goody is a bully. I believe Jo and Danielle were afraid of her; it was obvious by their fake laughs and silly suck-up comments. And yes, they were jealous of Shilpa but the way they sided with Jade was deplorable.
Big Bro should have stepped in much sooner to confront Jade (who nearly died when she realised she could go bankrupt) about her comments and bully tactics but that would have made it even more obvious [to the public] that there really was a problem and that they (BB) didn't know what to do about it.

As far as I'm concerned, it's wrong for someone to watch a programme and believe it's okay to observe another person being humiliated, slandered and bullied ~ it's just not normal, well, not the way I was raised!

I used to think Jade was alright - a self-made millionaire - but now I think she's a loud-mouthed ignoramus!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Bigbrotherin


I think its daily star trash, but you right. If its true this will be boring and rubbish. They should have a rule about racism but having rules against agism and bullying is stupid; what defines bullying anyway? and why cant the daily star write properly 'they must bullying others in the house' is how that reads to me lol. If someone says 'shut up bob, i hate you, you bore me you old fart' would they get kicked out? because that could be seen as bullying and ageism which big brother doesn't tolerate :conf2:. I'm hoping this is just balls.

You are right about the Daily Star Newspaper Bigbrotherin:thumbs:

They have come up with some real rubbish and plenty of that is to do with Big Brother and it's housemates, etc..

There has always been a rule concerning racism and that is one of the reasons why, they edited out the "limerick" that Jo & Jack were mainly involved with. Plus, they were issued with formal warnings, apparently:rolleyes:

These new rules are going way over-the-top and this will mean that the new housemates will have to be on their best behavior and if any start to argue, they will probably be asked to go to the Diary Room and once in there, they shall be chucked out by a side-door or something.

This is a very unfair rule-book. Remember, the new show has a 10pm slot and that is well after the watershed.

The book also goes on about "language" too, so what about "swearing?"







nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by moonwolf
I might be speaking out of turn here - seeing as it's only my second post - but as far as I'm concerned Jade Goody is a bully. I believe Jo and Danielle were afraid of her; it was obvious by their fake laughs and silly suck-up comments. And yes, they were jealous of Shilpa but the way they sided with Jade was deplorable.
Big Bro should have stepped in much sooner to confront Jade (who nearly died when she realised she could go bankrupt) about her comments and bully tactics but that would have made it even more obvious [to the public] that there really was a problem and that they (BB) didn't know what to do about it.

As far as I'm concerned, it's wrong for someone to watch a programme and believe it's okay to observe another person being humiliated, slandered and bullied ~ it's just not normal, well, not the way I was raised!

I used to think Jade was alright - a self-made millionaire - but now I think she's a loud-mouthed ignoramus!

Not at all, moonwolf :eureka:

Nobody is going to agree on everything. Especially where Jade Goody is concerned. She is hated by many right now.

I don't think that Jo & Danielle were afraid of her. It was just that they liked the way Jade Goody came across. Remember moonwolf, she wasn't arguing all of the time.

Even the footage that was shown, wasn't too bad really, except for the bad bits, which BB loves to show and focus in on. There are 24 hours in a day. So Jade may sleep for 8 hours and that leaves 15 hours of unshown footage, agreed:thumbs:

Then, the last 1 hour, won't be footage of just Jade Goody either. probably 15 minutes only, perhaps?

So the massive section of unshown footage could show so much more of the lighter and funnier and nicer side of Jade, which BB chooses NOT to show us. This will paint a much less prettier picture of Jade Goody and indeed, Jo & Danielle too.
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I don't think they were jealous of Shilpa Shetty. There is very little to be jealous about, actually:yuk:

Shilpa has money and she is attractive to some, but that's it really. Maybe she had a superiority complex and looked down at the housemates as pretty lower class or something, who knows??
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Jade Goody was obviously upset, when she had realised what had occured and I doubt that money was on her mind at that point.

Jade has spent a lot of money recently and over-spending is what many celebrities do and this was the wrong time for Jade to spend, spend, spend, just after this. But that is her choice.

She is NOT bankcrupt either. Well, not yet:sad:
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Sadly, reality shows like this BB show, are always like this. I remember watching Celebrity Love Island and there was some real bust up's between them and plenty of swearing to.

But there is a buttons on every TV remote control, whereby someone can easily turn the channel over.

It is a matter of choice
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Jade Goody came over badly and I can understand anybody thinking that she is very loudmouthed, etc... But as the footage shown, is microscopic in comparison to actually, what is filmed, also, as Jade Goody has only done three shows like this and all the other appearances on TV shows, interviews and other stuff, certainly paint a much better picture of Jade Goody, than we see in these massively edited down footage.

But naturally, some think otherwise.








nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
But naturally, some think otherwise.


They certainly do. Jade Gobby and her gang of little dog bitches cowardly bullies who refuse to accept what they did and blame it on others. Like I keep saying, and will continue to say over and over again, they are respouncible for Endemol having to put rules in place which spoil this years shows. If they hadn't have done what they did then the rules would be needed.

Simple really.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by nodisharmony
But naturally, some think otherwise.


They certainly do. Jade Gobby and her gang of little dog bitches cowardly bullies who refuse to accept what they did and blame it on others. Like I keep saying, and will continue to say over and over again, they are respouncible for Endemol having to put rules in place which spoil this years shows. If they hadn't have done what they did then the rules would be needed.

Simple really.

and if Shilpa Shetty had not been there?????








nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

They would have picked on someone else, it just might not have had racist overtones.

So now we are saying the new rules are Shilpa Shetty fault because she was bullied in the house by Gobby and her little dog bitches!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
They would have picked on someone else, it just might not have had racist overtones.

So now we are saying the new rules are Shilpa Shetty fault because she was bullied in the house by Gobby and her little dog bitches!

No Shilpa Shetty, No past Racial-furore

Take the "Race" word out of the equasion

Ofcom would not have had to bring this present investigation up right now, at the worst possible time too.

Jade Goody was accused of bullying on the original BB show, but then after, she went from strength to strength.

Like I say, take Shilpa Shetty out of the equasion and replace the problem, then arrive at the present day, it would have been different.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So the whole affair had nothing to do with Goddy and her little dog bitches, they were just innocent victims?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
So the whole affair had nothing to do with Goddy and her little dog bitches, they were just innocent victims?

Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said words and comments that may be construed by some as containing possible racial overtones.

There is NO denying that part.

But, as there are camera's and microphones all over the BB house, then BB will be aware of everything that get said, agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol allow these words and comments to stay in, then it is natural that it is going to offend many people.

We all saw that, didn't we? agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol had decided to "edit out" every word & comment which may had been construed as racist, then, nobody would have complained and there would have been no investigation today.

Jade Goody's part in this, was obvious to see, agreed:thumbs:

But, as the person in question, "Shilpa Shetty" was an Indian woman, this made all the difference, as the "Race" card was played and once that happens, there will naturally be a problem.

All three of these girls have been accused of being racist people and that is incorrect.

Everything which was said in the BB house at that time, was just words and comments which have been construed as having possible racial overtones and that is it.

Just because of that, they are hated like mad and labelled as full-time racist people.

That is untrue and infact quite bad!






nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So we agreed that;

1. Goddy and her little dog bitches insulted Shilpa Shetty

2. Endemol has camera's and microphones all over the house and heard every thing that Goddy and her little dog bitches said and did.

3. That Goddy and her little dog bitches said things that were going to offend people including who they were aimed at.

4. Endemol decided not to edit out what said and complaints followed.

5. Goddy and her little dog bitches are responsible for what they did and said.

6. If Shilpa Shetty hadn't been in the house then the comments made by Goddy and her little dog bitches might not have had racist overtones.

So this leaves us with the fact if they hadn't have said what they did we wouldn't need rules in the house to stop bullying and racist remarks being made.

[nodisharmony]

Almost getting there:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Red Moon
So we agreed that;

1. Goddy and her little dog bitches insulted Shilpa Shetty

That is Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. (They have names) They insulted Shilpa Shetty as they did not click with her and Shilpa told Jade to "Shut Up" & "Get Elecution Lessons", I can add more:wink: I would say it is six of one and half a dozen of the other, actually:rolleyes: Whatever the reason, it takes two to tango, or in this situation, 4 to tango

2. Endemol has camera's and microphones all over the house and heard every thing that Goddy and her little dog bitches said and did.

We all know that part. BB knows and sees it all:bigsmile:

3. That Goddy and her little dog bitches said things that were going to offend people including who they were aimed at.

It was no big plan or anything premeditated you know:eureka: It just happened! But they were not aware that Shilpa Shetty would be such royalty, just because she is an Indian housemate. Jade Goody pointed that out, "She is just an ordinary housemate, just like everyone else", But that wasn't the case, was it. As the Newspapers so quaintly said, "She is better than british??", that will get many people's backs up, I'm sure:eureka:

4. Endemol decided not to edit out what said and complaints followed.

That is indeed true. Not so wise, was it:rolleyes: Except for their bank balance, due to increased ratings

5. Goddy and her little dog bitches are responsible for what they did and said.

Not true!! The responsibility still lies with Endemol, as regards to the BB show, there is still no escaping that part. However, if Jade Goody said those comments in a night club and Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd and Jack Tweed were all together as a group, that would be totally different. BB is a controlled and heavily policed environment. This strong dislike between Shilpa and the girls should have been policed properly in CBB5, but it wasn't. But I have to agree, that what happens elsewhere, like the "Night Club" example I have just mentioned, is a completely different type of scenario and will also have a similar problem, but on a microscopic scale, even if it did end up in the Daily Star or something.

6. If Shilpa Shetty hadn't been in the house then the comments made by Goddy and her little dog bitches might not have had racist overtones.

If Shilpa Shetty had not been there and it had been a white housemate who Jade, Jo & Danielle had not clicked with, there would have been no problem. It is always different when it is white against white, that is proven by past Big Brothers, Agreed:thumbs:

So this leaves us with the fact if they hadn't have said what they did we wouldn't need rules in the house to stop bullying and racist remarks being made.

With your theory, then (Yes)

But, with everything which I have taken into account, "Facts", (that is)...It is not such a clear-cut situation, but if you choose not to see that, then I guess we shall just have to agree to differ on this situation, Agreed:thumbs:







nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So we can also agree that Gobby and her little dog bitches comments bulling Shilpa Shetty was racially motivated as well.

The thing we are stuck on is that the Gobby and her little dog bitches, are as you say, not responsible fro what they said and did and in fact Endemol are the ones to blame allowing Gobby and her little dog bitches to be in the house together with Shilpa Shetty.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
So we can also agree that Gobby and her little dog bitches comments bulling Shilpa Shetty was racially motivated as well.

The thing we are stuck on is that the Gobby and her little dog bitches, are as you say, not responsible fro what they said and did and in fact Endemol are the ones to blame allowing Gobby and her little dog bitches to be in the house together with Shilpa Shetty.

What we saw in the shown footage has been labeled as containing hints towards racism, that means (overtones) That is very easy to do and mistakes like that are more accidental and using descriptive-references of an (Indian person or similar) but nothing serious.

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.






nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So why should Gobby and her little dog bitches get away with what they said and how it might affect Big Brother 8?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
So why should Gobby and her little dog bitches get away with what they said and how it might affect Big Brother 8?

I said:-

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.

What that means, is, that "fair assumption" which is another way of saying, "Someones opinion", ie "your's"

I said that, as it is obvious to anyone in the world, looking at your posts within this thread, that you personally don't like all three of them one bit. So it is natural that we shall have to find a point where we cannot agree much further, right:thumbs:

That is why I made that comment:- "fair assumption", I think that is as close as we can get to agreeing on this, "full stop."
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Regarding your new points:-

Why should Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd get away with this?

Well, the simple answer is:- (They haven't)

None of them have got away with this. Throughout there lives, this will always haunt them in "one way shape or form", everywhere they go, everytime Jade, Jo or even Danielle Lloyd, people will remember and it shall be fearful for all of them and for a very long time.

That is as far as it will go, regarding "punishments", that is!

I certainly wouldn't like to be either of them right now.

It is a difficult life to lead. But they just have to get on with it and the many haters who want them to go through more problems, well, there is a few people:angel: who are trying very hard to hault this:wink:

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Your other point regarding Big Brother 8 and how it has affected the upcoming show, because of apologies to Ofcom & the New rule-book, well, that's a decision which had to be made in light of Ofcom's further findings and Channel 4 & Endemol who didn't do the correct thing at the right time.

We've been down that road already within this thread.

Accountability at the highest level, once again...








nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Accountability at the highest level, once again...


But it's not is it.

If a member was found to be bullying another member by posting offensive and cruel remarks and was given a warning for insulting other members it wouldn't be the sites fault for hosting the comments or issuing the warning but their fault for saying what they did. The member who posted the remarks would have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did and serve the ban.

Now:

Gobby and her little dog bitches were found to be bullying another housemate by saying offensive and cruel remarks it isn't the fault of the Endemol for showing those comments even if they did make editorial mistakes but their own fault for saying them in the first place. Gobby and her little dog bitches have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did and face the music in the press.

For us this means lots of new rules are being put in place which could change the nature of the this years main Big Brother event. The new rules are a consequence of their actions and hence they must take some the blame if the show is not a success and it can be proved that the new rules did indeed spoil the show.

They can't let off hook by blaming everyone else for they did, they did it.

[nodisharmony]

This is dangerous:puzzled:


Originally posted by Red Moon


But it's not is it.

If a member was found to be bullying another member by posting offensive and cruel remarks and was given a warning for insulting other members it wouldn't be the sites fault for hosting the comments or issuing the warning but their fault for saying what they did. The member who posted the remarks would have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did and serve the ban.

It's far too unsafe to enter that domain of debating. I shall respecfully leave that deadly area of forum-politics to, " x "?

Now:

Gobby and her little dog bitches were found to be bullying another housemate by saying offensive and cruel remarks

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said words and comments that Shilpa Shetty found offensive. Other Big Brother & CBB shows have also had offensive words aired on the show. "Pete Burns" & "George Galloway" did the same. But they were white on white.

it isn't the fault of the Endemol for showing those comments even if they did make editorial mistakes but their own fault for saying them in the first place.

If it wasn't the fault of Endemol showing those comments? Then, who was it the fault of, for showing them. Read carefully ( s h o w i n g t h e m ) Not saying them, Showing them. If they were not shown, we wouldn't have this problem. Nevermind what Jade, Jo or Danielle said. That is neither-here-nor-there. Remember, Jade told Shilpa Shetty that she was just an ordinary housemate, just like everyone else. Are you saying that Shilpa Shetty is more important than other Celebrity housemates in that house. Be careful with that reply? You could offend a lot more housemates from CBB5

Gobby and her little dog bitches have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did

As above & within thread...(No show of offensive words & comments) then (No offended viewers) Also, Jade Goody has behaved to housemates in this way before in two other shows previously. So, Endemol will be very aware of this. Don't forget the way they threw out her mother Jackiey. Some take issue with that too:mad:

and face the music in the press.

They did & still do. Every article on whatever housemate or Endemol or BB8 always comes back to Jade & Jo & Danielle. This is very true

For us this means lots of new rules are being put in place which could change the nature of the this years main Big Brother event.

That is regrettable, very regrettable, but what can we do? It is now hind-sight and Endemol have only themselves to blame for creating this incident. Blame Jade, Jo & Danielle if it makes you or anyone else feel better

The new rules are a consequence of their actions

Like I said, it's regrettable and sometimes, consequences follow, because of actions taken in haste. Ofcom had to deal with this and did so.

and hence they must take some the blame if the show is not a success and it can be proved that the new rules did indeed spoil the show.

I hate to say this, as it may hurt. But, I can imagine what is going through Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd's minds on your above comment. I would say, that they will be hoping that Big Brother 8 will be an ultimate disaster. I would rather it be a success myself and would prefer if the rules for the new show were not so stringent, as displayed in the New Rule book

They can't let off hook by blaming everyone else for they did,

Like I said previously, Jade, Jo & Danielle have suffered and will continue to suffer, due to much hatred which still exists. But I will say, that Danielle Lloyd is having trouble with her love-life and is off footballers. So she has double the problem:wink:


they did it.

[b]:sleep:






nodisharmony :angel:

[Lil-Lindz]

There is no way this whole thing is going to work, there is going to be no arguements, no tension, its just going to be a bunch of people who are all goody goody two shoes, how dull will that be??

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
There is no way this whole thing is going to work, there is going to be no arguements, no tension, its just going to be a bunch of people who are all goody goody two shoes, how dull will that be??

It might not come to that yet?

Let us enjoy launch night and just see how each day goes, bit by bit by bit. Nobody will really know, until we get to week two and beyond.

I hope Housemates stick together and fight together as a unit. When it comes to the Diary Room giving orders.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
There is no way this whole thing is going to work, there is going to be no arguements, no tension, its just going to be a bunch of people who are all goody goody two shoes, how dull will that be??

It might not come to that yet?

Let us enjoy launch night and just see how each day goes, bit by bit by bit. Nobody will really know, until we get to week two and beyond.

I hope Housemates stick together and fight together as a unit. When it comes to the Diary Room giving orders.





nodisharmony :angel:

yea but its allways nice to have a squabble amongst the housemates, surely you must agree

[Red Moon]

Leaving Endemol out of it who just showed us what went on.

Do you agree that if Gobby and her little bitch dogs hadn't said and did what they did then we wouldn't have the rules we have in place now?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz


yea but its allways nice to have a squabble amongst the housemates, surely you must agree

I agree with you totally Lil-Lindz:sad:

I love a show with drama and exciting stuff and strong disagreements between housemates.

Nobody wants racism naturally, but arguing exists on soap operas like Eastenders & Emmerdale & Corrie.

All those shows are shown early and kids watch them too. Even situations where racism is shown too.

But Big Brother 8 is being shown much later with the 10pm slot, but it will be more tame than other programmes shown during the watershed.

Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.






nodisharmony :angel:

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Lil-Lindz


yea but its allways nice to have a squabble amongst the housemates, surely you must agree

I agree with you totally Lil-Lindz:sad:

I love a show with drama and exciting stuff and strong disagreements between housemates.

Nobody wants racism naturally, but arguing exists on soap operas like Eastenders & Emmerdale & Corrie.

All those shows are shown early and kids watch them too. Even situations where racism is shown too.

But Big Brother 8 is being shown much later with the 10pm slot, but it will be more tame than other programmes shown during the watershed.

Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.






nodisharmony :angel:

Yea, hopefully all the stuff we are hearing about has been blown up by the media or its all false, BB isnt BB without the arguements and drama
The public are so stupid sometimes like they evict all the interesting housemates and then they go and make a big deal out of some petty arguement which is now going to change the whole show.
Sure i dont want racism, its horrible, but i dont want a house without the occasional arguement

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.


For one reason, because Gobby and her little bitch dogs said and did what they did.

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.


For one reason, because Gobby and her little bitch dogs said and did what they did.

Exactly, BB producers are going to be too scared to let the housemates get on with it, at the slightest sign of tension it will be in the diaryroom and out
if it wasnt for the stupid idea of putting gobby back in then maybe just maybe we would be looking forward to some good arguements this year

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
Exactly, BB producers are going to be too scared to let the housemates get on with it, at the slightest sign of tension it will be in the diaryroom and out
if it wasnt for the stupid idea of putting gobby back in then maybe just maybe we would be looking forward to some good arguements this year

I agree Gobby and the little dig bitches and their actions are potentially going to ruin or change the nature of the show we all love. :thumbs:

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
Exactly, BB producers are going to be too scared to let the housemates get on with it, at the slightest sign of tension it will be in the diaryroom and out
if it wasnt for the stupid idea of putting gobby back in then maybe just maybe we would be looking forward to some good arguements this year

I agree Gobby and the little dig bitches and their actions are potentially going to ruin or change the nature of the show we all love. :thumbs:

Yep and its makes me so angry :mad:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
Originally posted by Red Moon
I agree Gobby and the little dig bitches and their actions are potentially going to ruin or change the nature of the show we all love. :thumbs:

Yep and its makes me so angry :mad:

Me too, if only they could have behaved like decent people

If they had kept the race issue out of it may be OFCOM wouldn't have got so many complaints and we wouldn't be in this situation.

[Chrizzle]

Ok im getting sick of 'Gobby and her little dog bitches' Red lol.
It was funny the first time:laugh:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Ok Im getting sick of 'Gobby and her little dog bitches' Red lol.
It was funny the first time:laugh:

You should have said something earlier and I would have come up with something else for to laugh at. :thumbs:

*goes off to put his thinking cap on*

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Leaving Endemol out of it who just showed us what went on.


You've lost me???? I saw it on the TV and?

Do you agree that if Gobby and her little bitch dogs hadn't said and did what they did then we wouldn't have the rules we have in place now?

It's like a dog with a bone:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd did say what they said. But to be honest, It was televised and edited down to look worse than it is. Do you need further clarification from Jo O'Meara?

The last part is unsafe, like I said previously and hard when the level playingfield is unlevel:wink:




nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd did say what they said.


So if they hadn't said what they said would we have the new rules?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.


For one reason, because Gobby and her little bitch dogs said and did what they did.


If you think so:rolleyes:

My views are within the thread....





nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

Is that a yes then?

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Ok Im getting sick of 'Gobby and her little dog bitches' Red lol.
It was funny the first time:laugh:

Lol, I Googled it earler and by now it probably fills the whole page. ! He He.


It's still an interesting debate though. I think Endemol and the girls are equally to blame.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd did say what they said.


So if they hadn't said what they said would we have the new rules?


If Pete Burns hadn't said what he said to Jodi Marsh, (made no difference)

If George Galloway hadn't said what he said to Michael Barrymore, (made no difference)

If Jade Goody hadn't said what she said to Rick Waller, (made no difference)

If Any white housemate said what they said to another white housemate in the past ever, (made no difference)


The best thing to do, is answer your own question with your own answer which you already know.

I don't get caught in traps, I just rise above them and proceed forward.

I hope the new housemates in Big Brother 8 understand the power they all have, if they unite together.

I have said this before and I shall say it again here:-

If a housemate in Big Brother 8 get's thrown out of the house over something trivial, then ALL LEAVE!!!!!!

Mutiny can beat the C**P out of this New Rule book!!!!!

I think positively, if I can.....






nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

Is that a yes then?

[Chrizzle]

Imo both are to blame, BUT I think Ofcom wanted to do this for ages. They hate Big Brother and are trying to get it axed.

I think these scrict rules would have been applied even if the row hadnt happened.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Imo both are to blame, BUT I think Ofcom wanted to do this for ages. They hate Big Brother and are trying to get it axed.

I think these scrict rules would have been applied even if the row hadnt happened.

Why?

[Chrizzle]

Cos Ofcom hate BB dont they?
They want it to be axed.

Saying that its just Ofcoms fault. Its the girls and Endemol.

[Chrizzle]

Cos Ofcom hate BB dont they?
They want it to be axed.

Saying that its just Ofcoms fault. Its the girls and Endemol.

[Red Moon]

But they had the chance last year with the Jodi Marsh bullying thing and they didn't.

Why do it now and not then?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
If only they could have behaved like decent people

You will have to meet some everyday people in the flesh to work that one out. That is where the word, "realists" comes into play. Jade Goody is a girl who is streetwise and you know Eastenders and what some of them soap characters are like. Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd are just like Jade Goody. Very decent people who speak their mind and that's that.

If they had kept the race issue out of it may be OFCOM wouldn't have got so many complaints and we wouldn't be in this situation.

Well that is due to petty complainants who just like complaining and stuff. Ofcom have acted, because someone has informed them, that is better to get to the bottom of this.

Right now, they are looking at Channel 4 & Endemol????

But you say Jade, Jo & Danielle????

Lucky I read it right:rolleyes:






nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

But would people complained about the girls if the girls hadn't done what they did?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
But would people complained about the girls if the girls hadn't done what they did?


The three girls:- Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd went into the CBB house & were looking forward to a great, great show.

Jade Goody was very wealthy & did not need the money, but does enjoy doing these types of shows. When the opportunity came along and they invited her family & boyfriend too, she accepted the offer.

Danielle Lloyd was also offered the opportunity and is a stunning and beautiful young woman, who was & is in great demand as a model. But once again, she was happy to take the offer.

Jo O'Meara was in a little bit of trouble financially and decided to do the show, as she needed the money to keep her house payments up. She has said that herself. But she went for it and was very happy to see her friend Ian 'h' Watkins from Steps.

Suddenly, an Indian Bollywood actress entered the house and the three girls just did not like her. Not at all:yuk::yuk:

It was nothing to do with race or colour of skin. It was just a case of "not clicking".

The three girls said some words & comments which were construed to some as containing possible racial over-tones.

As Endemol chose to keep those words & comments in and they also chose to zone in on all of this material, it was made to look much worse than it was. This then, caused the racial furore.

Regardless of what was said, it was the way it was presented. The form of presentation.

What Ofcom is doing, is, teaching them a big lesson.

They have picked the closest possible time for the new upcoming BB8 show and making sure, that this show is going to be as un-profitable as ever.

It can be nice for some to try & work it all out, who is & isn't to blame.

But, I would look at Ofcom.

Look at who is apologising

Then draw your conclusions from facts and stop blaming Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd who were just housemates. Ordinary housemates, no more, or, no less than Shilpa Shetty herself.

An argument, is an argument.

Comments are Comments. If they contain possible racial overtones, then edit them out and point it out privately.

It is like a forum. When someone makes a mistake, a simple U2U explaining what that person as done, can be better than issuing a 24 hour ban, which to some, can be easier. It is about patience, knowledge & understanding.

Something I have:eureka:






nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So that is a yes then?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
So that is a yes then?

You'll have to read the thread-Red:spin2:

Politicians never give simple yes/no answers.







nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

So it is yes.

I have read the thread.

[ashleytisdale]

Originally posted by mcq
sounds rubbish lol

lool yea sounds rubish. but they had to take out housemates that would start arguments with/ bully other housemates:angel:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by ashleytisdale
Originally posted by mcq
sounds rubbish lol

lool yea sounds rubish. but they had to take out housemates that would start arguments with/ bully other housemates:angel:

Because of what the girls did in the house during Celebrity Big Brother 5. If they hadn't done the things they did we would be discussing this now.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Cos Ofcom hate BB dont they?
They want it to be axed.

Saying that its just Ofcoms fault. Its the girls and Endemol.


Listen Chris to something very, very true.

Channel 4 make plenty of money from other programmes which get aired all year round.

Endemol own "Deal Or No Deal" & others too. Big Brother is something which has made them a lot of money over the years and sadly, even shows which have made plenty of money in the past

If a show doesn't continue in that direction, it will be axed or sold off.

Selling the show off, might be a possibility for time to come. It all depends on how BB8 works out and also the ratings too. Which is everything.

Endemol can easily get together with some new writers for another show, with another name, which has a similar theme to BB and make money from that.

Anything is possible at this stage.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Red Moon]

I did and I answered it.

No changing the subject.

If the girls hadn't done what they had done we wouldn't be in this postion now.

Either that statement is correct or not correct.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Red Moon
I did and I answered it.

No changing the subject.

If the girls hadn't done what they had done we wouldn't be in this postion now.

Either that statement is correct or not correct.

I agree with this statement but I also feel that if Endemol had not edited out things like Fight night etc.we would have simply arrived at this new rule scenario earlier. I have suggested for a while that there is a tipping point where BB/ endemol may lose control and I feel they were heading there for a while and reached that point by not stepping in 1 day earlier when they themselves got carried away with the press fever. I don't know for sure but I find it hard to point a finger in just one direction.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by J.C.
I agree with this statement but I also feel that if Endemol had not edited out things like Fight night etc.we would have simply arrived at this new rule scenario earlier. I have suggested for a while that there is a tipping point where BB/ endemol may lose control and I feel they were heading there for a while and reached that point by not stepping in 1 day earlier when they themselves got carried away with the press fever. I don't know for sure but I find it hard to point a finger in just one direction.

I agree that it could have happened in the past over fight night in Big Brother 5 had it been shown in full, which it wasn't. You have to remember not all the girls said and did wasn't shown too and this time the editing team got it wrong because of the nature of the incident. In both case the police were invovled.

But that is the past and we are talking about the present situation here.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by J.C.
I agree with this statement but I also feel that if Endemol had not edited out things like Fight night etc.we would have simply arrived at this new rule scenario earlier. I have suggested for a while that there is a tipping point where BB/ endemol may lose control and I feel they were heading there for a while and reached that point by not stepping in 1 day earlier when they themselves got carried away with the press fever. I don't know for sure but I find it hard to point a finger in just one direction.

I agree that it could have happened in the past over fight night in Big Brother 5 had it been shown in full, which it wasn't. You have to remember not all the girls said and did wasn't shown too and this time the editing team got it wrong because of the nature of the incident. In both case the police were invovled.

But that is the past and we are talking about the present situation here.

True, but I feel they have been pushing the limits for a while now and when they started making bad mistakes like the Nikki return etc I lost confidence in them being able to make good decisions.In truth I'm not sure any group can keep total order in this type of environment without BB stepping in. I mean where would Emma and Victor have ended up if left in the cage together .If it's not racism or violence it will be some other extreme situation....that if left to run, will run out of control.
There is still no doubt that the reason we are here in this position right now is because of girls behavior and the fact that it was edited in the form of car crash tv.
Interesting that it happened in year 7. I believe this is the time when power is supposed to go to one's head. I'm told that this is why presidents and some head teachers are only allowed a maximum 8yr term !!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by J.C.
True, but I feel they have been pushing the limits for a while now and when they started making bad mistakes like the Nikki return etc I lost confidence in them being able to make good decisions.In truth I'm not sure any group can keep total order in this type of environment without BB stepping in. I mean where would Emma and Victor have ended up if left in the cage together .If it's not racism or violence it will be some other extreme situation....that if left to run, will run out of control.

There is still no doubt that the reason we are here in this position right now is because of girls behavior and the fact that it was edited in the form of car crash tv.
Interesting that it happened in year 7. I believe this is the time when power is supposed to go to one's head. I'm told that this is why presidents and some head teachers are only allowed a maximum 8yr term !!

We as viewers want more and more from the show, I feel that is why the producers fly closer to the wind with each series. At some point things were going to go to far. In CBB5 they got the mix of house mates so wrong for our entianment. Letting in Gobby was a mistake just like letting Nikki back. It wasn't good for Nikki to be shown the way she was in the final. It wasn't good for Gobby to be back in the house and say the things she did and encourage the others. Like you say you can't ever have complete control over the house mates and mistakes were made.

But like we have both been saying the girls did what they did and here we are for all the faults by the producers. The producers played their part to in the editing, but if the girls hadn't said what they did then things would have been okay. That can't be taken back. It's done and they said what they said. We can only acknowledge what has happened and live with the outcome. We have to remember that people are responsible for what they do and say and can't hide behind other people. It is brave person that admit there mistakes and learn by thems. It is the fools that blame others.

[arista]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Well they had to do something after Jade and Co. to make sure it didn't happen again. They have to make sure they have done all they can so OFCOM doesn't come down on them again. I just hope it doesn't spoil the show.



I hope they Evict one fast
as a Nasty Example.

Then replace the person.


Endemol should not wait
so bleedin' long before putting in new housemates.

[Sam]

I hope it changes to vote to stay this series

[Lil-Lindz]

Well even if this rule does change, which wouldn't be surprising, i dont think it will change the show that much, sure there will be less arguements :bawling:, but BB cannot control the housemates the occasional outburst is only expected in such a confined environment.
I just hope that these rules are not true, allthough i still expect BB to step in sooner should an arguement arise

[Sam]

Thing is, any argument that happens is going to be over exaggerated and will be seen as bullying now, its ridiculous

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by Sam
Thing is, any argument that happens is going to be over exaggerated and will be seen as bullying now, its ridiculous

Exactly, some petty arguement may now be seen as being bullying when in actual fact it is just some stupid squabble

[Bells]

Well, we'll just have to see about that when the series starts - it's best not to assume things now. :angel:

[Sam]

I can imagin headlines in the sun " And so the arguing starts!" and media is going to over exaggerate so I hope not

[Conzors]

im sure his years big brother is not going to be boring but..

it says that there was a no bullying rule...

dont you think this will make it boring?

[Arneldo]

Yes, because everyone wants to see people be bullied on TV :bored::rolleyes:

[Conzors]

no.. i dont mean that..

i mean like everyone going to bully someone..

thats what causes arguments..

i hate seeing people bullied

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Yes, because everyone wants to see people be bullied on TV :bored::rolleyes:

Its ok in moderation if its a housemate you dont like:joker::devil:

[GhettoSuperstar]

Hopefully it wont but I do hate this rule

[Sunny_01]

I am hoping it wont be boring but I am glad that they are going to come down hard on bullying. That said arguments will still happen, so will back stabbing so lets just wait and see eh?

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Yes, because everyone wants to see people be bullied on TV :bored::rolleyes:

I think you're right.

Its sad, but I think alot of people like to see that sort of thing.

Id like to see them have fun rather than argue and be nasty to each other, I dont see the point in all that nonsense.

[Sam]

I think everything single thing is going to be over exaggerate by the media to be bad thing this year, one argument and big brothers had it , sad really

[Arneldo]

I'm hoping that the public wont over the top when ever an argument breaks out and accuse every housemate of being a bully.

[_B_B_Addict]

This "Rule" has always been in Big Brother ! I dont see what the big deal is ! If a hm is getting bullied i would like to see the bully been evicted ! Even if i like them or not !

Can Anybody else think of another time in BB when serious bully has happened ?

[sol]

At first I think they all might be a bit cautious, but after a while I think people won't care anymore and arguments will start to happen.

[Moses455]

'Bullying' is a difficult word to define. I think as long as the remarks are not anti semitic or racist, the antagonistic behaviour will be tolerated. I think a good bit of bullying is fine. The housemates know what to expect and being enclosed in such an artificial, suforcating environment is bound to bring out the worst in some of the housemates. The situation is so false though, that it is difficult to claim anyone is actually being 'bullied'.

[Ruth*Star]

The thread title describes BB4. imo

[Sam]

Hha ruth certainly does, i do think they will make the same mistake and make Big Brother 4 boring to be honest i think theyve got a surprise up their sleeve

[Ruth*Star]

This series will be full of twists and turns just like a soap storyline.

[Sam]

Ooh i hope so! That would be great :thumbs:

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah it would be! as long as it does not have so many housemates it will be fine.

[Sam]

22 Housemates was a joke :rolleyes:

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah it was, i think 16-18 is a nice amount of housemates.

[Red Moon]

We are talking about will the show be boring or not.... can we keep it on topic please.

Red

[Ruth*Star]

Sorry Red, Okay, If there is enough twists and exciting housemates, it won't be boring.

[Sam]

22 housemates was the reason it was boring, its better with less.

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah there was 2 many housemates, the right amount of housemates and the right amount of twists does not make it boring.

[Sam]

the fact that they kept bringing in housemates made it tiring and boring to watch, i really hope they dont make the same mistake as last year

[janine_luv_xx]

i dont think they will let it get as boring as bb4! they hav learned from their mistakes and they will hav to learn from cbb5. of course bitchiness will happen but big bro will have to step in when things get out of line its funny wen sum1 is a bitch they get chucked out on friday anyway welcomed by a lot of boos! :)

[Red Moon]

Thanks that is much better :thumbs:

Red

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by Sam
the fact that they kept bringing in housemates made it tiring and boring to watch, i really hope they dont make the same mistake as last year
Exactly, if they bring in less its more exciting than seeing the same thing over again