USA: Violent resist -arrest of suspected underage drinking Mum on beach

[Crimson Dynamo]

She was suspected underage drinking in public with her 18 month old daughter and violently resisted arrest. Note how her disregard for the law soon was forgotten as she begged the officers to obey the law. Who would be a law enforcement officer?

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Emily Weinman, 20, was arrested Saturday and charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, aggravated assault by spitting bodily fluids at/on a police officer, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, obstruction and minor in possession of alcohol.

Wildwood Commissioner of Public Safety Tony Leonetti told NBC10 Weinman assaulted one of the officers first by kicking him in the groin and then running away, which the video does not show.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Wildwood-Arrest-Body-Camera-Footage-Beach-Arrest-484099601.html

[arista]

Yes USA LAW
she is well out of order.

Give he Copper your LAST NAME


Body Cams are great

[Crimson Dynamo]

and he wasnt punching her :rolleyes: he was disabling her arm to get the cuffs on. Horrible woman ruining the day for many at the beach

[arista]

and he wasnt punching her :rolleyes: he was disabling her arm to get the cuffs on. Horrible woman ruining the day for many at the beach


Yes great 2 video
Report

[AnnieK]

The policeman in the article said he punched her a couple of times :shrug:

She was out of order but again, looks excessive force. But, as Tommy Robinson knows, you break the law, you get arrested.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The policeman in the article said he punched her a couple of times :shrug:

She was out of order but again, looks excessive force. But, as Tommy Robinson knows, you break the law, you get arrested.

yes but not to attack her as in an assault to free her arm in the violent struggle with the perp who had kicked him and spat at him

[AnnieK]

yes but not to attack her as in an assault to free her arm in the violent struggle with the perp who had kicked him and spat at him

To be honest, anyone who spits at someone should be arrested, I would rather take a punch than be spat at :yuk:

[The Slim Reaper]

To be honest, anyone who spits at someone should be arrested, I would rather take a punch than be spat at :yuk:

I've been punched really hard a few times, and I'd rather be spat at.

[user104658]

and he wasnt punching her :rolleyes: he was disabling her arm to get the cuffs on. Horrible woman ruining the day for many at the beach

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Anyone who is genuinely OK with THIS for any reason...

Come on. I don't even have anything to say tbqfh. There is no excuse.

[The Slim Reaper]

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Anyone who is genuinely OK with THIS for any reason...

Come on. I don't even have anything to say tbqfh. There is no excuse.

What's your point? Everyone knows to get cuffs on someone's wrists, you need to give them a few shots to the back of the head and neck.

[arista]

Yes TS
Cuffs matter

This is USA
not you land up north

[bots]

it's pretty difficult to get context on this tbh. Why did the police target her for a breathalyser, was it previous inappropriate behaviour?

Since when has it been an offense to be in the same location as alcohol, that seems a bit odd, unless its in a pub or something.

I don't think either party approached it from a place a calmness, it escalated quickly and both parties were to blame for that

[The Slim Reaper]

it's pretty difficult to get context on this tbh. Why did the police target her for a breathalyser, was it previous inappropriate behaviour?

Since when has it been an offense to be in the same location as alcohol, that seems a bit odd, unless its in a pub or something.

I don't think either party approached it from a place a calmness, it escalated quickly and both parties were to blame for that

That's why police go through on-going training in conflict resolution, deescalation techniques. I think it's fair and correct that we hold the police to higher standards.

[arista]

it's pretty difficult to get context on this tbh. Why did the police target her for a breathalyser, was it previous inappropriate behaviour?

Since when has it been an offense to be in the same location as alcohol, that seems a bit odd, unless its in a pub or something.

I don't think either party approached it from a place a calmness, it escalated quickly and both parties were to blame for that


You miss the POINT
in USA you must give the Copper your full name.
She REFUSED to give the Surname.
Thats what made the ARREST LEGIT.

[user104658]

it's pretty difficult to get context on this tbh. Why did the police target her for a breathalyser, was it previous inappropriate behaviour?

Since when has it been an offense to be in the same location as alcohol, that seems a bit odd, unless its in a pub or something.

I don't think either party approached it from a place a calmness, it escalated quickly and both parties were to blame for that

She's being a brat but he launches into attack mode when she refuses to give her name, because he feels disrespected and that his power is being taken away. He punches her several times in the back of the head and the base of the neck / top of the spine, which with one unlucky punch could easily result in serious injury or death. She is not armed and there is no question of her having a concealed weapon. He is a trained police officer. There are no excuses here; this guy is open to being aggressive, has a temper, doesn't care who is watching, and there is a VERY high risk that he's going to end up seriously hurting or killing someone.

I literally have nothing more to say on this thread.

[Alf]

What's your point? Everyone knows to get cuffs on someone's wrists, you need to give them a few shots to the back of the head and neck.
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[Crimson Dynamo]

She is a known felon with a violent record

oh and she has a child..

[arista]

She is a known felon with a violent record

oh and she has a child..


Well Done the USA POLICE


she is a bad bitch

[bots]

You miss the POINT
in USA you must give the Copper your full name.
She REFUSED to give the Surname.
Thats what made the ARREST LEGIT.

i'm not missing the point Arista, he escalated the situation when he really didnt need to, she escalated it when she didn't need to. It didn't need to be that way, and as the professional, the policeman should know better

[user104658]

An internal investigation has been launched into the officers' conduct, according to a statement issued Sunday by the Wildwood Police Department. In the meantime, the officers involved in the incident have been reassigned to administrative duty.

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[arista]

i'm not missing the point Arista, he escalated the situation when he really didnt need to, she escalated it when she didn't need to. It didn't need to be that way, and as the professional, the policeman should know better


But she is the Criminal.


He is a Young Officer
the older Police Man at the end just heard what he said,
and he said nothing .


Its great to have Body Cams

[Crimson Dynamo]

i'm not missing the point Arista, he escalated the situation when he really didnt need to, she escalated it when she didn't need to. It didn't need to be that way, and as the professional, the policeman should know better

dealing with violence is not an exact science and one has to think quickly and on your feet, for all he knew she could have a sharp secreted on her body, one false move and death can follow

[bots]

But she is the Criminal.


He is a Young Officer
the older Police Man a the end just heard what he said
nothing .


Its great to have Body Cams

She is not a criminal, she maybe had a swig of a beer or something, she didn't fail the Breathalyzer.

She did nothing to deserve a violent arrest. The policeman should have known better how to deal with it. Age is no excuse as that is the job he is supposed to be trained to do.

[arista]

"She did nothing to deserve a violent arrest."

You are WRONG
give the Copper her surname
but then he find's she has a record.


She Choose to go Violent , FIRST

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is not a criminal, she maybe had a swig of a beer or something, she didn't fail the Breathalyzer.

She did nothing to deserve a violent arrest. The policeman should have known better how to deal with it. Age is no excuse as that is the job he is supposed to be trained to do.

"This is not Weinman’s first run in with the law and not the first time she’s been combative, according to court documents. In September of 2016, she was arrested and charged with burglary, simple assault, criminal mischief, criminal trespass and recklessly endangering another person. In November of 2017, Weinman pleaded guilty to misdemeanor simple assault and misdemeanor “recklessly endangering another person.” She was sentenced to serve four years of probation and pay just under $10,000 in court costs and restitution."

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/emily-weinman/

[arista]

Yes a Criminal , no less

[arista]

Yes TS
USA Body Cam
learning experience

He will get back on the road
in a few months.

[Alf]

I saw an interesting video about these Police body cameras the other day.


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[Niamh.]

I've been punched really hard a few times, and I'd rather be spat at.

I'm really surprised to hear that :o

[Crimson Dynamo]

:fan:

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm really surprised to hear that :o

Infract yourself :fist:

It always confused me that people don't always appreciate sarcasm in tense situations. :hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I saw an interesting video about these Police body cameras the other day.


re30eyNKMuc

interesting

:think:

[Beso]

The lying bastard...a pastor as well..check his computer.

[bots]

I saw an interesting video about these Police body cameras the other day.


re30eyNKMuc

Truly shocking news, some people tell lies. What is the world coming to

[Nicky91]

Infract yourself :fist:

It always confused me that people don't always appreciate sarcasm in tense situations. :hmph:

mods can't receive infractions i think, but i'm not sure :think:

[user104658]

"This is not Weinman’s first run in with the law and not the first time she’s been combative, according to court documents. In September of 2016, she was arrested and charged with burglary, simple assault, criminal mischief, criminal trespass and recklessly endangering another person. In November of 2017, Weinman pleaded guilty to misdemeanor simple assault and misdemeanor “recklessly endangering another person.” She was sentenced to serve four years of probation and pay just under $10,000 in court costs and restitution."

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/emily-weinman/

It doesn't matter who or what she is LT, it's not even about her, it's about a man with a very clear temper problem using hugely excessive force (punching someone in the back of the head is never appropriate, for any reason, and your excuse for it and the bizarre assertation that he "didn't punch her" is baffling) and the fact that if he continues as a police officer he's going to get someone hurt. Might be a member of the public, might be himself, might be one of his co-workers when he escalates a situation to violence that could have been resolved without it. If you genuinely cared about the safety and wellbeing of police officers, over and above what amounts to just thinking that "criminals deserve it!!", then this would concern you. It should certainly concern his superiors and the people working with him - he has rightly been removed from active duty and plonked behind a desk pending review - and I hope he's not allowed back out on active duty without, at the very least, some significant anger management and conflict resolution training.

[The Slim Reaper]

mods can't receive infractions i think, but i'm not sure :think:

Thanks for the heads up.

[Nicky91]

Thanks for the heads up.

you're welcome, and Niamh just has a good sense of humour



i like all the mods on here :love:

[Jordan.]

His ego definitely took a knock when she passed the test

[Crimson Dynamo]

you're welcome, and Niamh just has a good sense of humour



i like all the mods on here :love:

apart from MTVN who you rinsed out for filth earlier?

[The Slim Reaper]

you're welcome, and Niamh just has a good sense of humour



i like all the mods on here :love:

Lets not go overboard.

[Nicky91]

apart from MTVN who you rinsed out for filth earlier?

we made up now, i'm one of the good guys :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

you're welcome, and Niamh just has a good sense of humour



i like all the mods on here :love:


Is no Mod safe from his rapier tongue today?

:worry:

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

Is no Mod safe from his rapier tongue today?

:worry:

i'm not, maybe how i pronounce things is a little confusing for some on here

[bots]

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Anyone who is genuinely OK with THIS for any reason...

Come on. I don't even have anything to say tbqfh. There is no excuse.

for some reason, I couldn't focus on the punching :think:

[AnnieK]

I've been punched really hard a few times, and I'd rather be spat at.

Cannot believe someone as accommodating and not sarcastic as you has ever been punched :pipe: Nah, still rather take the hit

[Crimson Dynamo]

for some reason, I couldn't focus on the punching :think:

the what now..?

:drool:

[The Slim Reaper]

Cannot believe someone as accommodating and not sarcastic as you has ever been punched :pipe: Nah, still rather take the hit

If it's any consolation, I'd rather you take the hit too.

[AnnieK]

If it's any consolation, I'd rather you take the hit too.

Nice....:hee:

[arista]

His ego definitely took a knock when she passed the test


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[Beso]

25grands worth i think.

[Kazanne]

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Anyone who is genuinely OK with THIS for any reason...

Come on. I don't even have anything to say tbqfh. There is no excuse.

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

Yes TS is manipulating facts into fake news

this must stop

[Kazanne]

for some reason, I couldn't focus on the punching :think:

:joker::joker::joker: I can't for the life of me find what has distracted you bots.:laugh::laugh:

[user104658]

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

And that isn't a problem? He punched a girl half his size in the back of the head, twice, whilst she was pinned to the ground. There's just no excuse for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And that isn't a problem? He punched a girl half his size in the back of the head, twice, whilst she was pinned to the ground. There's just no excuse for it.

yes there is she was resisting arrest and he was trying to stop her, what sex she is is irrelevant, she is a violent criminal and a danger to society

[user104658]

yes there is she was resisting arrest and he was trying to stop her, what sex she is is irrelevant, she is a violent criminal and a danger to society

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

it was aimed at the arm as per training but she moved as can happen. They are suspended as would happen in any situation like this and will soon be cleared. Hopefully this vile perp will be behind bars soon.

[user104658]

it was aimed at the arm as per training but she moved as can happen. They are suspended as would happen in any situation like this and will soon be cleared. Hopefully this vile perp will be behind bars soon.

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.

[arista]

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.


Its a Filmed experience
That officer will get re- trained
before going back on the road.


TS
body cams are great.
It can be used in education.


Feel The Force

[Vicky.]

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.

Quite.

I should be shocked that this guy is being defended, but I really am not.

[user104658]

Quite.

I should be shocked that this guy is being defended, but I really am not.I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson :facepalm:Mmhhmm

[GiRTh]

I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson :facepalm:Preach it :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes and why am i not surprised that the violent criminal is defended and not condemned in a dash to bash police

(until, that is you need to call them...)


:idc:

[Vicky.]

Its one thing arresting a violent criminal...its quite another for them to be punching them rather than restraining them, UNLESS there is actually no other way of arresting them, in which case of course more force is needed (though I cannot think of a time when someone would need to be punched in the head while already restrained tbh). But with this officer like twice the size of the person they are arresting, and also already having them on the deck...well..

And the only time I have ever called the police was when I was 15 and my mothers boyfriend was threatening to kill her. The police told me there was nothing they could do until he actually 'did something' and basically told me to piss off. A few mins later he came crashing through our sitting room window and after a huge struggle during which my mother got a black eye, I had to get my younger siblings upstairs out of the way and leave him beating my mother, I then managed to restrain him with a knife across his throat (I did not cut him, but he was way too strong for me to pin to the wall or anything for long so it was all I could think of tbh, sometimes I regret not just cutting him too, would have saved my mother getting another beating). The police finally did come then, and locked me up too, when if they had just done their job to start with then it would not have happened. They then released him without charge too. THey also released me without charge mind. But then the same thing happened again a few days later and they finally did lock him up and keep him there. So yeah, I have not much faith in the police in general...but there is still a huge difference between reasonable force and punching someone in the back of the head when they are on the floor.

[user104658]

yes and why am i not surprised that the violent criminal is defended and not condemned in a dash to bash police

(until, that is you need to call them...)


:idc:

I haven't seen anyone say she shouldn't have been arrested but they force they used in doing so was quite blatantly unreasonable and excessive, and despite your claims, I can find no evidence (anywhere) to suggest that any sort of punching, anywhere on the body, is "standard" for getting someone into cuffs. Let alone punching in the head / neck (we'll just ignore the claim that he was aiming for her arms because it's daft). The claim that she might secretly have had a knife squirrelled away inside her swimsuit is also pretty ludicrous. "Hey she might have been a Komodo Dragon in disguise, and when her lizard head popped out of her disguise of human flesh and bit that officer, sepsis and death would likely follow!!"

Again let's take her totally out of the equation. A police officer being aggressive and escalating a tense situation into an actively aggressive one endangers everyone. Himself (though that's his call) but also his partner and other officers, as well as bystanders. It's not acceptable for multiple reasons, not just "bleeding heart for the dirty crims".

[Crimson Dynamo]

The mayor of the beach town meanwhile vehemently defended the police and said the woman is no angel.

An attorney for 20-year-old Emily Weinman of Philadelphia told Philly.com the charges against Weinman are exaggerated. Wildwood, New Jersey Mayor Ernie Troiano defended the police Tuesday, noting Weinman was "by far the aggressor here" and pointing out that women can be harder to subdue than men.

We're not dealing with an angel here. She chose to take on the police. The police did their job," said Troiano, who added he's a former bouncer and doorman. "(Women) can be hard to control. They're kicking. They don't care."

Troiano told Philly.com that Weinman "chose to attack the officer, spit on the officer."

"Look I don't care who you are and what you are, the worst people (to try to subdue) are women," he said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Lawyer-Woman-punched-by-cop-on-beach-never-spit-12951541.php#photo-15635267

[user104658]

The mayor of the beach town meanwhile vehemently defended the police and said the woman is no angel.

An attorney for 20-year-old Emily Weinman of Philadelphia told Philly.com the charges against Weinman are exaggerated. Wildwood, New Jersey Mayor Ernie Troiano defended the police Tuesday, noting Weinman was "by far the aggressor here" and pointing out that women can be harder to subdue than men.

We're not dealing with an angel here. She chose to take on the police. The police did their job," said Troiano, who added he's a former bouncer and doorman. "(Women) can be hard to control. They're kicking. They don't care."

Troiano told Philly.com that Weinman "chose to attack the officer, spit on the officer."

"Look I don't care who you are and what you are, the worst people (to try to subdue) are women," he said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Lawyer-Woman-punched-by-cop-on-beach-never-spit-12951541.php#photo-15635267

A detailed and thoughtful analysis of the situation from Mayor Meathead isn't going to change anyone's mind on this LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A detailed and thoughtful analysis of the situation from Mayor Meathead isn't going to change anyone's mind on this LT.

Id imagine he speaks quite well for the law abiding community he represents..

[user104658]

Id imagine he speaks quite well for the law abiding community he represents..

The eyewitness on the video on the link you just posted, a member of the community he represents;

"I do respect the police and I thank them for the jobs that they do... it's just this one incident that I found really disturbing, and I thought that somebody should be talking about it. Justification for punching anybody in the face, as a superior... I feel that isn't the best way to handle a situation."

I'd imagine she speaks quite well for the other half of that law abiding community. Maybe she should be Mayor instead? :shrug:

[Maru]

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

That doesn't mean anything. Some departments will run investigations per policy. A "Use of Force" has to be documented and there is almost always an investigation. Could be something so minor, but the paperwork is C-Y-A. Even the spitting has to be documented for insurance. We receive constant paperwork through the mail from Workmans' Comp anytime my husband is spat or if he comes into contact with other bodily fluids...

The paperwork is usually reviewed by other divisions, which means sometime before his shift or on an off-day, he will get a call and sit in front of someone who puts him through the third degree to get him to 'confess' or change his statement. Other times they just have questions that don't affect him (as far as he's aware), but maybe other witnesses, so he is asked to provide testimony and to sign. They almost always give a gag order to not speak to other people about the incident while it's still pending investigation.

That doesn't mean that certain things won't fall through the cracks. Even when other officers report something that doesn't look right, it still happens... of course it's not uncommon for people to get themselves fired before the investigation even concludes... which can take several months to a year. Sometimes a video/leak ends up in the media, way after the fact when most of the people involved are not longer employed, so they will pull people in to try to get as many under the bus as quickly as possible...

In this case, it's probably mandatory, but maybe also being done more as a precaution. Especially if there is a likelihood this will turn into a lawsuit, once the media get involved... the dept may have to defend the arrest in court, so it's important their lawyers need to know what they are defending.

Anyway, video doesn't show everything, which is why it's important to get witness testimony and it could be the lady had some warrants... hence "Failure to ID", but it depends on how much force she was using whether punching in the back of the head was necessary... some investigators will say too much was used, especially when it done in a particularly aggressive way... like punching them or mishandling them while handcuffed is a big no-no. They're not allowed to strike the neck in the front, but they can use the pressure point at the bottom of the neck. So it really just depends on the particular method behind the "use of force"... but there's usually some policy that says how and when force should be used as a general guideline.