Live PMQ's SNP Leader causes Chaos

[arista]

He is demanding a vote now.
Even though the the Speaker said he can have a vote at the conclusion
of PMQ's

What a Utter Fool.



He has now been Kicked out

All the SNP's have walked out

https://news.sky.com/story/snp-walk-out-of-commons-after-bizarre-speaker-row-11403493

[SNP MPs have stormed out of the House of Commons chamber during PMQs,
after their Westminster leader Ian Blackford was kicked out by the Speaker. ]

[Mr Blackford [B]refused to let the matter rest, saying multiple times:
"Scotland will not be disrespected by this parliament."]
https://e3.365dm.com/18/06/536x302/skynews-snp-walkout_4334927.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180613124300
On your way Cocky SNP - who do not know respect our Parliament rules

https://twitter.com/search?q=SNP+walk+out+of+PMQ%27s&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Ese arch

SNP Leader Ian Blackford was on Adam Boltons "All Out Politics Pt1" SkyNewsHD
at 10:15AM today , moaning about his views not being heard.

[MTVN]

What a lame stunt

[user104658]

Urgh, all the bleating about the HoC and how "things are done" and "respecting the chamber"... when 90% of the time it's a complete joke. A snidey schoolyard pissing contest.

[user104658]

For example, the smug "BYE! BYE!" from the sidelines... I expect better of my 8 year old :facepalm:.

[Nicky91]

lol :laugh2:

[arista]

For example, the smug "BYE! BYE!" from the sidelines... I expect better of my 8 year old :facepalm:.


Yes sure TS,
he should have sat down , though.
As he can not Vote on any EU Votes for today.

The Rule Number was given to the
Cocky SNP Leader.
Its a matter of normal respect to follow what the Speaker
instructs.

[Matthew.]

was covering a politics class today so i just bunged this on for them all to watch, it was great :hee:

also the class are probably more mature than all of them :hehe:

[Greg!]

Fair enough. The Scottish parliament has been treated shockingly

[Oliver_W]

What did he expect to happen - that Bercrow would say "well, you're not returning to your seat, so never mind everyone else's questions, you're obviously much more important, let's end PMQs early to carry out your vote!"
Big baby.

[arista]

Fair enough. The Scottish parliament has been treated shockingly


Its not Fair Enough,
with respect Greg.


He could have had his Vote at the
conclusion of Live PMQ's
but not in the middle of PMQ's.

Yesterday the Labour Party took up all the time.
Even Ian confirmed that.

PMQ's went on longer than before
60mins
All because the Cocky SNP Leader
would not sit down.

Breaking Parliament Rules.

[arista]

was covering a politics class today so i just bunged this on for them all to watch, it was great :hee:

also the class are probably more mature than all of them :hehe:


That's good.

[Calderyon]

English Parliament room is tiny.

[smudgie]

Plonker.:joker::joker:

[arista]

English Parliament room is tiny.


Yes it is goes back
so many years.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah the Parliament room goes waay back, back to when every three streets didn't have their own MP

[michael21]

Order order order

Yes that bad mp is ban for today only

Also some who walk out miss the Changes to ask question we the speaker said there names mps said not here but one was there and there said he not there :laugh:

Order Order Order

Green make much take his seat :nono::cheer2:

[kirklancaster]

Order order order

Yes that bad mp is ban for today only

Also some who walk out miss the Changes to ask question we the speaker said there names mps said not here but one was there and there said he not there :laugh:

Order Order Order

Green make much take his seat :nono::cheer2:

:joker:

[arista]

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Ian was on GMBHD itv
they never asked him "why did he not sit down?"
by staying standing for so long
he had to be told to leave.
It was Prime Minster Questions
not get revenge

[Northern Monkey]

To me it looked like he’d planned it all before tbh.

[jaxie]

To me it looked like he’d planned it all before tbh.

Me too. SNP seem desperate to find a way to drum up Scottish public support for another Indy vote. It seems like they are trying to manufacture situations.

[kirklancaster]

Me too. SNP seem desperate to find a way to drum up Scottish public support for another Indy vote. It seems like they are trying to manufacture situations.

He is pathetic. They are pathetic and their idiotic pantomime FAILED SPECTACULARLY.

[Vicky.]

What did he expect to happen - that Bercrow would say "well, you're not returning to your seat, so never mind everyone else's questions, you're obviously much more important, let's end PMQs early to carry out your vote!"


Well quite.

'**** everything else, you are the most important person in the room so everything will be dropped right this second to give you what you want'

I mean, he was not even denied what he wanted, just told to wait.

I do agree though that sometimes (well most of the time) the commons is like a room full of children. But yeah, this guy went too far and I would not be surprised if it was planned.

[user104658]

He is pathetic. They are pathetic and their idiotic pantomime FAILED SPECTACULARLY.

Well it was on the front page of nearly every Scottish paper so... it didn't fail at all.

I do find the whole thing a bit contrived and I suspect it probably was planned (especially as there have been rumblings of a walk-out for weeks) however in my opinion there are only a few aspects of this that need to be focussed on;

- There IS a Westminster power-grab going on
- The House of Commons IS deliberately brushing it under the carpet
- Scottish people SHOULD be worried


The rest is irrelevant. Anything that draws attention to it is a good thing.

[arista]

"Scottish people SHOULD be worried"

Sure
TS its another Poll Tax type of event.

But he could have had his vote at the Conclusion
of PMQ's - That would have been Far better,
wait 30mins then the floor was all his.

[user104658]

"Scottish people SHOULD be worried"

Sure
TS its another Poll Tax type of event.

But he could have had his vote at the Conclusion
of PMQ's - That would have been Far better,
wait 30mins then the floor was all his.

I disagree Arista, the issue isn't being given the attention that it deserves / requires and offering a token, throwaway nod to it and then making people seem "unreasonable" for standing up and saying "that it isn't good enough" is, in my opinion, a cynical and dangerous manipulation of the democratic process.

[Vicky.]

I don't know much about politics these days as I actively avoid it all as I cannot be arsed and am politically homeless anyway. TS can you explain how there is clearly a power grab going on? Ignore me though if you cannot be bothered or find the request cheeky..just I know you will actually tell me the facts rather than some biased rubbish that i would find if I tried to search for it on google (and even then, I don't really know what stories I am searching for :laugh: )

[bots]

It was a publicity stunt pure and simple. Scotland have devolved powers, the can govern themselves how they want in their own parliament. At westminster, they have to fall in line with everyone else or pay the consequences.

[user104658]

I don't know much about politics these days as I actively avoid it all as I cannot be arsed and am politically homeless anyway. TS can you explain how there is clearly a power grab going on? Ignore me though if you cannot be bothered or find the request cheeky..just I know you will actually tell me the facts rather than some biased rubbish that i would find if I tried to search for it on google (and even then, I don't really know what stories I am searching for :laugh: )

In basic terms, the government is covertly trying to use changes in law / policy that will happen through the Brexit process to remove or limit certain devolved powers that the Scottish government currently has, and to undermine the Scottish parliament. They want to push these through under the radar, undemocratically, with no real discussion or debate. Which makes the following point moot;

It was a publicity stunt pure and simple. Scotland have devolved powers, the can govern themselves how they want in their own parliament. At westminster, they have to fall in line with everyone else or pay the consequences.

[Livia]

Let's remember that the Scottish MPs were in Westminster, quite happy to vote on things affecting only England. They have no qualms about that.

[Vicky.]

In basic terms, the government is covertly trying to use changes in law / policy that will happen through the Brexit process to remove or limit certain devolved powers that the Scottish government currently has, and to undermine the Scottish parliament. They want to push these through under the radar, undemocratically, with no real discussion or debate. Which makes the following point moot;

Ahh right. I think that the power the government gave to Scotland was always something they regretted, and it was clearly just done to 'keep the country together'. I am not surprised they are attempting to take it back. But so much **** goes on 'under the radar' in parliament, or is tried to be forced through with noone realizing until its too late. Its crap. Really crap and really dishonest. And surely not what the government is meant to be about, if something was above board and such, why the need to bury it until the last minute, or until after it has been done?

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated.

[arista]

I disagree Arista, the issue isn't being given the attention that it deserves / requires and offering a token, throwaway nod to it and then making people seem "unreasonable" for standing up and saying "that it isn't good enough" is, in my opinion, a cynical and dangerous manipulation of the democratic process.

I watched it Live
he was given a Real Vote
but only at the conclusion of PMQ's
That would still make every Live TV news go over
15mins.


No one can Disrupt PMQ's
who ever is in power.

[Vicky.]

Let's remember that the Scottish MPs were in Westminster, quite happy to vote on things affecting only England. They have no qualms about that.

Yeah I also agree with this though. If Scotland have their own powers, fair play to them, but there is no reason for them to vote on matters that do not affect them surely? Have always found that a bit weird

[arista]

Yeah I also agree with this though. If Scotland have their own powers, fair play to them, but there is no reason for them to vote on matters that do not affect them surely? Have always found that a bit weird


The SNP are new to our Parliament
this is Wrong.


Next time ban him for a week


TS may not like that?

[Cherie]

Bye Bye :hee:

[Cherie]

Let's remember that the Scottish MPs were in Westminster, quite happy to vote on things affecting only England. They have no qualms about that.

This is a key point isn't it

[user104658]

The SNP are new to our Parliament
this is Wrong.


Next time ban him for a week


TS may not like that?

I'd be happiest if they banned Scottish MPs forever by giving us independence or full devolution :joker:. I'd rather we have nothing to do with the Westminster circus.

[Livia]

You should have a referendum.

Oh no, wait....

[Greg!]

Let's remember that the Scottish MPs were in Westminster, quite happy to vote on things affecting only England. They have no qualms about that.

The SNP don't actually!

[Greg!]

It was a publicity stunt but it worked. The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

[arista]

It was a publicity stunt but it worked. The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

Power Grab
how did it all go wrong?

[Livia]

The SNP don't actually!


Why did they make such a fuss when Parliament allowed only Welsh and English MPs to vote on an English housing bill... the Scots decide their own housing bills in Scotland. The SNP were not happy though. They've wanted to vote on English matters ever since they got a large proportion of MPs into Parliament.

[Greg!]

Some of the laws that are considered "English only" have a direct effect on Scotland so thats probs why

[Livia]

Some of the laws that are considered "English only" have a direct effect on Scotland so thats probs why

That's just not true.

[user104658]

You should have a referendum.

Oh no, wait....

Indeed we did have a referrendum, during which the case for "staying" was made by promising more devolved powers, and should not have been taken as an indication that Scottish people "want westminster rule" and as permission to reverse the progress of devolved powers. Which makes the fact that the current government is currently trying to lessen devolution "through the back door" a massive problem in terms of democracy... no?

There's also the fact that "staying in the UK is the only way to guarantee continued access to European markets!" was used as a stick constantly during the referendum campaign. That's a bit of a problem, too.

[user104658]

It was a publicity stunt but it worked. The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

Exactly :joker:. I do enjoy the way that "It's a publicity stunt!!" is used as an automatic negative. If you want something to get publicity, and engage in a publicity stunt, and then the thing that you wanted to get publicity... gets publicity... then it seems pretty clear that a "publicity stunt!!" was exactly the right course of action :think:.

[Vicky.]

It was a publicity stunt but it worked. The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

I don't think the media appear to be talking about the power grab. They seem to be pointing out how childish the walkout was, for the sake of waiting an extra 30 mins or whatever. And taking the piss, and claiming that it was obviously preplanned just for publicity :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Exactly :joker:. I do enjoy the way that "It's a publicity stunt!!" is used as an automatic negative. If you want something to get publicity, and engage in a publicity stunt, and then the thing that you wanted to get publicity... gets publicity... then it seems pretty clear that a "publicity stunt!!" was exactly the right course of action :think:.

Well yeah. Its a shame though, that the main message of it seems diluted. People still don't seem to understand why they did it. I didn't until this thread though had seen a lot of stories about 'childish SNP walk out' and such.

[user104658]

I don't think the media appear to be talking about the power grab. They seem to be pointing out how childish the walkout was, for the sake of waiting an extra 30 mins or whatever. And taking the piss, and claiming that it was obviously preplanned just for publicity :shrug:

Well yeah. Its a shame though, that the main message of it seems diluted. People still don't seem to understand why they did it. I didn't until this thread though had seen a lot of stories about 'childish SNP walk out' and such.

To be blunt... it doesn't really matter what people in England think about it or how the English media chooses to spin it.

[user104658]

I also just don't get the "Childishness!" part being a thing.

"Breaking News! The House of Commons is Childish" ... ... :think:. Did I miss the day that it wasn't? :joker:

https://media.giphy.com/media/aydVXDJ6frXB6/giphy.gif

[MTVN]

It's just bizarre what Blackford thought would be achieved by the House sitting in private anyway? Why would kicking journalists and the public out help his cause? And why could he not wait twenty minutes for the vote?

There were several SNP MPs down to ask questions who lost the opportunity to highlight issues they supposedly care about because they all walked out. And they claim it was not a publicity stunt but then all headed straight to tv studios and took a load of selfies together outside parliament

[MTVN]

To be blunt... it doesn't really matter what people in England think about it or how the English media chooses to spin it.

Seen plenty of Scots criticising it as well although they're probably not considered the 'right' Scots

[Vicky.]

To be blunt... it doesn't really matter what people in England think about it or how the English media chooses to spin it.

Well yes I agree with that. I was replying to

The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

Mainly. The UK wide media are not talking about the power grab, they are taking the piss. If there had actually been something done to highlight the power grab, maybe more people would understand the point of it. as it was, it looked like he just did not want to wait 30 mins and had a bit of a strop.

Now you have explained whats actually going on I agree that Westminster is behaving appallingly towards Scotland. And if the whole point of this was to get publicity then it clearly worked. But to deny it was preplanned or whatever like many seem to be trying to do on FB is just bloody stupid :laugh:

I also just don't get the "Childishness!" part being a thing.

"Breaking News! The House of Commons is Childish" ... ... :think:. Did I miss the day that it wasn't? :joker:

https://media.giphy.com/media/aydVXDJ6frXB6/giphy.gif
HOC is always childish tbh. It astounds me that the people we vote into power go on the way they do in a professional setting.

[user104658]

Seen plenty of Scots criticising it as well although they're probably not considered the 'right' Scots

The only important thing is that more Scottish people today than yesterday know that Westminster is covertly and undemocratically trying to seize devolved powers.

The Scottish people who don't care about devolved powers returning to Westminster - I can ONLY imagine - are simply unaware of how much of a buffer the Scottish parliament is going to be (and already is) against the social and economic turmoil that's going to hit England over the next few years. This should be of prime importance no matter which side of the "Yes or No" Indy debate one falls on. A lot of "No to Indy" voters are in favour of DevoMax, or at the very least, maintaining the current level.

[Livia]

Scotland receive an unfair share of public money. Even the BBC spends more on Scotland than in England. How is that allowed? Hope some English MPs walk out today over that and make it good and childish.

[arista]

I also just don't get the "Childishness!" part being a thing.

"Breaking News! The House of Commons is Childish" ... ... :think:. Did I miss the day that it wasn't? :joker:

https://media.giphy.com/media/aydVXDJ6frXB6/giphy.gif

Yes a Horrid Loop
TS.

[Greg!]

That's just not true.

Yes it is.

[Livia]

Yes it is.

Well, I can't argue with well thought-through, reasoned debate like that.

[user104658]

That's just not true.

Yes it is.

Well, I can't argue with well thought-through, reasoned debate like that.

:facepalm:

Honestly Livia, I get that you've given up on SD's but if you don't want to bother engaging in anything then maybe just actually don't engage?

[Cherie]

You should have a referendum.

Oh no, wait....

:joker:

[bots]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

[kirklancaster]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

Hallelujah! I was about to post a similar comment myself.

[Cherie]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

good point

[Livia]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

Excellent point.

[user104658]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.I see your point being called "good" a lot here but... What do you actually mean? Of course it was a party political move? What else would it be? Why would the Scottish MPs from other parties join them? And why does it matter that they didn't?

[arista]

SNP membership applications rise by 10,000% after MPs' mass walkout in Westminster

https://news.sky.com/story/snp-membership-swells-after-mps-mass-walkout-in-westminster-11404491

[jaxie]

And yet Maasfrict and Lisbon were just fine and dandy with the SNP.

The hypocrasy is thick in the air.

[jaxie]

Ahh right. I think that the power the government gave to Scotland was always something they regretted, and it was clearly just done to 'keep the country together'. I am not surprised they are attempting to take it back. But so much **** goes on 'under the radar' in parliament, or is tried to be forced through with noone realizing until its too late. Its crap. Really crap and really dishonest. And surely not what the government is meant to be about, if something was above board and such, why the need to bury it until the last minute, or until after it has been done?

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated.

There is of course no fact in any of the claims that the government are doing any such thing. The argument is over powers that come back from the EU and not powers the devolved government's ever had and Westminster have already said that once Brexit is finalised and the complexity of keeping everything in alignment for trade is sorted out, that many of those powers coming back from the EU will pass to the devolved governments.

The SNP are working very hard to appear maligned to drum up support for indy ref 2.

The fact is that Scotland had it's referendum and if they wanted another they would not be denied. See Spain and Catelonia for a truly unreasonable situation. Scotland are treated with respect within the UK, they are in fact treated better financially than the rest of us. If they don't like it then don't let the door hit you on your way out. Good luck with the Euro as a vassel of the EU. I'm sure they will get along the EU makes you keep having referendum until you get the answer they want as well. See Ireland.

[James]

I've had it up to here with the SNP.