OBJECT

[Beso]

https://news.sky.com/story/proposed-upskirting-law-blocked-by-tory-mp-11405840


What the actual ****.:shrug:

[Nicky91]

new law?

[Matthew.]

well this says a lot about him doesnt it...

[Beso]

well this says a lot about him doesnt it...

Yes, and the ridiculous system we are ran by.

[Nicky91]

Yes, and the ridiculous system we are ran by.

yep but politics are shady in many countries, including mine tbh

[Withano]

Tories are just the worst.

[bots]

it was 1 idiot mp. It will come back as a "proper" law in a bit.

[Nicky91]

it was 1 idiot mp. It will come back as a "proper" law in a bit.

yes they can easily end that dude's career if they want :clap2:

[Underscore]

So in a poll 96% support the new law.
Every party leadership supports it.
There would probably be a super majority to pass in Parliament.

Yet one MP can stop it in its tracks.
Wow, well done tradition!

[arista]

"Yet one MP can stop it in its tracks."

Yes one objection
can stop it.
That's the UK Parliament System

[Tory MP Sir Christopher Chope blocks proposed upskirting law to cries of 'shame']

[Shaun]

Him and Philip Davies seem to have form for trying to have their voices heard in the most deplorable given opportunities. A disgusting little cockroach.

[Tom4784]

What an utter wankstain of a human being.

[Matthew.]

he looks like a MASSIVE bellend who makes tea by putting in the milk first, he DEFINITELY takes pineapple up his pizza and you can just tell by looking at the state of him that he probably wears socks and sandals.

Twat.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/06/536x302/skynews-sir-christopher-chope_4337024.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180615161349

[Shaun]

I've seen calls for "upskirting" to henceforth be called "chopeing".

[Beso]

Its banned in scotland where it was called upkilting.
..maybe thats the issue with this herbert...
Its only a womans dignity afterall.

[Scarlett.]

Why the **** would anyone ever try to block this?

[MTVN]

Apparently he does this quite a lot when he thinks a bill is being rushed through too hurriedly while there are only a few MPs in the House

It will pass next time

[Livia]

Silly old ****ard. It's always sex with the Tories and money with Labour.

[Shaun]

Silly old ****ard. It's always sex with the Tories and money with Labour.

And both with the Lib Dems and their history of prostitutes/rent boys :omgno:

[jaxie]

I wonder why he did that. There doesn't seem to be any reason for his ciew in the article.

[montblanc]

vile

[Underscore]

And both with the Lib Dems and their history of prostitutes/rent boys :omgno:

This bill was introduced by a Liberal Democrat...

[Vicky.]

Well he is quite clearly a pervert :shrug:

Don't think it can count as slander or whatever when he votes to block something like this, he is clearly showing us who he is, and what he is.

[bots]

Well he is quite clearly a pervert :shrug:

Don't think it can count as slander or whatever when he votes to block something like this, he is clearly showing us who he is, and what he is.

im tempted to call him a dickhead, but it may be he wants full democratic process to be followed rather than it just going straight through. At the moment i'm favouring dickhead :)

[Sticks]

Apparently he does this quite a lot when he thinks a bill is being rushed through too hurriedly while there are only a few MPs in the House

It will pass next time

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

[kirklancaster]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/06/992x558/skynews-chope-davies-philip-davies_4337158.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180615180608

"Object"

Sir Christopher Chope, are you a dope?
Because your conduct is very suspect
To scupper this bill of your own free will
By standing and shouting ' Object!"
We don't all agree when pissed off by P.C.
That this is the right way to fight back
And now you deserve, the title 'Lord Perv'
'Cos I think you did it Just For The CRACK.

(And the bum, and anything else you hope to see looking up skirts you sad bastard)

[Shaun]

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Yeah you can leave again...

[Jake.]

Yeah you can leave again...

:joker:

[Underscore]

Yeah you can leave again...

:laugh::laugh:

[Tom4784]

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.


Yeah! Let's gloss over the fact that the man's at fault and blame the woman for wearing a skirt! That's a good idea!

**** no. That's victim blaming and it's an attitude that's allowed rape and sexual assault to thrive. The solution to upskirting is to not take pictures of someone's underwear without their consent. Why is it so hard for people to hold men accountable for their own godamn actions?

As for your other 'points' regarding laws. The system is utterly ****ed when it comes to sexual crimes and your post is a good example of why that's the case. Why hold a rapist accountable for their own actions when you can blame it on the victim for what she's wearing? It's never the men's fault for taking these pictures, it's the women's for daring to not wear trousers!

Sexual assault and harassment is a problem, if we need to introduce more laws (and hopefully, a complete overhaul when it comes to trials involving sexual assault) to prevent it from happening then so be it.

I can't. I just can't with this post.

[Marsh.]

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

:umm2:

I suppose if you walk in the street with money in your pocket, you're asking to be mugged too?

[Marsh.]

we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Oh well, we have too many laws. Oh dear, how inconvenient for the perverts. Let's cut them some slack. Poor things.

[Sticks]

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

[Marsh.]

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

You think it's unreasonable to ask people not to stick a camera up someone's skirt to take pictures of their underwear/genitalia?

Why should they have to wear trousers?

I suppose they should wear a zip up hoodie to, to prevent any man from sticking their hands down their tops?

[MTVN]

The Cyber Devils Advocate is out of retirement

[user104658]

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.


This logic is bizarre. It's akin to saying "There's a 100% solution to rape... chastity belts!"

[Ashley.]

Feminism is outdated... We no longer live in a male-dominated society... Yeah, right.

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

[montblanc]

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

:umm2:

[Maru]

It shouldn't be legal if the photo is taken and distributed without consent showing undergarments, etc. That should be fairly easy to write imo? We live in an increasingly high tech society...Someday it could be possible to match normal photos with our body parts if they can detect unique markers (probably with AI), so might want to get those laws updated while we're on it.

[Maru]

Feminism is outdated... We no longer live in a male-dominated society... Yeah, right.



We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

Tbf, there's no law that can ever exist that could protect us from some men's perverted-ness or alleviate the need to be vigilant. Women should be aware of their surroundings at all time. The latter attitude is what gets some people hurt... at best the laws and law enforcement can deter, but they can't prevent crime so we have to stay vigilant.

In school, they taught my husband to park in reverse so he could see anyone approaching. I got on him about parking my car that way in our driveway, because I can't see my driver side... means I will have to walk around the other side of the car at night where it is not lit and could be someone sitting next to the car waiting... someone tried to pull his rear door once to try to get into the back and he reacted quick enough to spook them and take off... but he is trained to be on the look out for these things and noticed him following.

Anyway, I don't know what I would do to prevent upskirting other than to wear opaque clothes... I don't wear sheer too often as it is super humid here. Unless I'm going to the beach, I generally wear opaque leggings with skirts/dresses. If I wear sheer/no leggings, it's to church or to a wedding... ironically enough. Not that it can't happen there either... I'm sure it quite possibly does, as a lot of women dress up to church on Sunday morning.

I guess don't go to the bathroom in a public place or watch our surroundings?

(Edit) I think keeping online on sites like Nextdoor (neighborhood social media network) helps too... they often report nearby criminal activity and if they find a camera for instance hidden in a bathroom or a skimmer on a gas station pump, they will share it on there. It's in the US, but not sure if they have Nextdoor in the UK or not.

[arista]

Next date for it to go again, in Parliament
has been reported as Friday 6th of July.

[bots]

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

[Nicky91]

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

:umm2:

[Sticks]

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

That is not what the law says. A photographer is entitled to take pictures of anyone in a public place without need for permissions. (Rules about private property may differ). The problem with the suggestion here is what do you do when you are taking pictures of street scenes, like a crowded high street in London, or at a football match where sports reporters work. Some would have you requiring written permission from anyone in shot, of a street scene on a public road.

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

Also there are some laws that should not be allowed to be passed, no matter what the hue and cry "that something must be done" (Remember the Dangerous Dogs Act?)

There are remedies already, Voyeurism and outraging public decency, so there is no reason whatsoever for a new law, especially when women have an answer, wear trousers, just like men do (So don't complain about it is too hot to wear them, as men wear trousers and don't whine on like that!!!)

[Sticks]

We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

[Withano]

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

Out of interest, would you be okay with someone taking a picture of your cock at a public urinal?

[jaxie]

Everyone has the right to go out in public without having their privacy and personal space invaded regardless of what they are wearing.

Even if they were naked no one has the right to touch or photo them intimately.

Any man taking a photo up a woman's skirt without permission is a pervert and deseves punishment and should go onto the sex offenders register.

[user104658]

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

Really? The wife of an evangelist said that? No. Never. This can't be true etc.

[Livia]

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

Single man, are you?

Maybe we need some legislation that women should all cover themselves with burkas, rather than actually prosecuting the sick perverts who take upskirt pictures.

[bots]

People shouldn't drive, its their own fault if they get in an accident. You dared to cross a road and got knocked down? Shouldn't have left your house when you can get Amazon to deliver.

[Livia]

LOL Bots... exactly.

I can never understand why the Conservative Party allow people like this to continue to stand. This man is undermining parliamentary procedure and bringing the party into disrepute. Surely that's enough to kick him out and make way for a by election. It's a disgrace that ridiculous dinosaurs should be allowed to represent people.

[Beso]

Can i just point out that this law camw into effect in scotland because of old perverted women.

[Livia]

Can i just point out that this law camw into effect in scotland because of old perverted women.

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

[bots]

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

i never go out without a bow tie on :smug:

[Livia]

i never go out without a bow tie on :smug:

A bow tie on? On WHAT??

[Beso]

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

Dont forget the brussel sprouts.

[Nicky91]

Dont forget the brussel sprouts.

i love brussel sprouts, first as a child i disliked them but now i love them

[Alf]

Does this mean the upskirting world championships is gonna get cancelled? All that practice for nothing.

[arista]

The PM is saying she will bring into Law.

[kirklancaster]

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...


:laugh2::yuk::laugh2::yuk:

[Underscore]

The PM is saying she will bring into Law.

I am glad that all of the Tory MPs are rallying against him.

[Nicky91]

I am glad that all of the Tory MPs are rallying against him.

:love:

[Tom4784]

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

She sounds like an absolute twat of a person tbh.

People have a right to wear what they want without fear of being attacked, they have a right not to be blamed for the actions of others. No matter how you cut it you are blaming victims in place of condemning their harassers/attackers and citing an awful woman as an example doesn't change that, using the female equivalent of 'my friend is black so it's okay' doesn't validate your argument.

You are ultimately part of the problem, your attitude is indicative of why so many women will continue to suffer in silence because the system makes that preferable to reporting these crimes and having the victims be the ones on trial.

The fact that, in your posts on this subject, I don't think I've seen a single line of condemnation towards people who commits these acts says it all really. You believe in victim blaming, you are an apologist.

[Alf]

This is bad news for Sunday Sport readers. No more celebrity upskirts, which pretty much makes Sam Heuston redundent.


No more headlines saying "See her clacker, it's a cracker"

[arista]

This is bad news for Sunday Sport readers. No more celebrity upskirts, which pretty much makes Sam Heuston redundent.


No more headlines saying "See her clacker, it's a cracker"


Sure.

This all started from a Young Lady
at a outside concert festival . After the Fella photographed
up her skirt, she grabbed his phone
took it to the Police there
who then said they can not do much about it.
She wants a new law.

[Ashley.]

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

What exactly are you annoyed about? That your "right" to peer up a non-consenting woman's skirt has the potential of being taken away from you? Poor you. Meanwhile, woman are being made to feel uncomfortable on a day-to-day basis because of men who aren't getting any back at home.

[Sticks]

What exactly are you annoyed about? That your "right" to peer up a non-consenting woman's skirt has the potential of being taken away from you? Poor you. Meanwhile, woman are being made to feel uncomfortable on a day-to-day basis because of men who aren't getting any back at home.

Ashley
That is close to libel, I have no wish to engage in such an obnoxious activity. Do not ascribe to me motives you think I have for not jumping on a favoured bandwagon and putting forward an alternative viewpoint.

This is tantamount to mud slinging, which is never appropriate in a debate.

Dezzy

I cite that lady I mentioned, because it was a counter argument to the Jodie Foster film - The Accused argument, which you are citing, and it did not come from a man as one might expect. It was a women commenting on other women and how they need to take some responsibility over how they prevent unwanted attention from certain reprobate men instead of playing the victim.

You complain of a lack of a line of condemnation of this antisocial activity, I thought when I said "taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic." would have covered it. I am referring to such men in a negative light with condemnatory words, such as uncouth and hedonistic. By use of such language it should be obvious that I was not endorsing such actions by those individuals.

If that was too subtle, then of course I condemn those who do this antisocial and [insert descriptive word of your choice] activity.

I would not be an apologist for such deviants and have not been so. I have spoken in the defence of the actions of a solitary MP who is opposed to knee-jerk legislation being rushed through the House on the QT without proper debate or scrutiny, which is undemocratic.

Returning to women wearing trousers, I find it strange that I am castigated for recommending that, especially as in the early days of feminism women were criticised and condemned for wanting to wear trousers instead of skirts or dresses. If you take a walk down any high street in any city, you will notice that most women now wear trousers or some form of leggins. So many women are taking action, which either , intentionally or unintentionally, will thwart those deviants who wish to engage in upskirting

On another tack, it is known that some women go to self defence classes so they know how to protect themselves should a man try to indecently assault them. Should we advise them not to go for such training as it is victim blaming?
Is it victim blaming when a crime prevention officer advises women what to do if they need to go out after dark to try and stay safe

Again is it victim blaming to advise people to lock their doors when they go out or at night because we are not dealing with the thieves who break in?

There has been an issue over the years where knee-jerk legislation gets rammed through the House and it causes problems down the line. The best example of such was the Dangerous Dogs Act.

[MTVN]

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

Tbf if you're an MP in places like Scotland, North Wales or Cornwall then you're looking at several hours journey to London. A lot of MPs need to be back in their constituencies for surgeries etc on Saturdays so would need to have left by Friday afternoon. Plus voting in the Commons is only a small part of being an MP really

[jaxie]

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

I think you might have just put turkey off my menu for the foreseeable future! :laugh: :fist: :yuk:

[Beso]

I think you might have just put turkey off my menu for the foreseeable future! :laugh: :fist: :yuk:

Shes certainly stopped me admiring mine so much.:joker:

[Nicky91]

Shes certainly stopped me admiring mine so much.:joker:

omg lmao :laugh:

[arista]

That MP
has now said he Supports the Bill against
Upskirting - he said its Vulgar.

He just does not like wasting time in Parliament

Ref : SkyNewsHD. update

[Sticks]

Link?

[arista]

Link?


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-sir-christopher-chope-says-he-does-support-criminalising-upskirting-11407685

[Matthew.]

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0JLZdzwizc11fGTe/giphy.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

[Matthew.]

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

[Crimson Dynamo]

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

:fist:

My opinion is as good as yours

[Matthew.]

:fist:

My opinion is as good as yours

not you :hee:

[arista]

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

UPDATE
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-sir-christopher-chope-says-he-does-support-criminalising-upskirting-11407685


The MP Now Supports a Law Against Upskirting

[Sticks]

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-sir-christopher-chope-says-he-does-support-criminalising-upskirting-11407685

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

[arista]

A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

Yes
Well Done Scotland.

[Beso]

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

[Ashley.]

That is close to libel, I have no wish to engage in such an obnoxious activity. Do not ascribe to me motives you think I have for not jumping on a favoured bandwagon and putting forward an alternative viewpoint.

This is tantamount to mud slinging, which is never appropriate in a debate.

I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

[arista]

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.


Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

[Sticks]

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

[Sticks]

Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

[Sticks]

I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

[Underscore]

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Just because Brexit is happening doesn't mean the rest of the world goes on hold.

Time moves on, there are other important things at stake like our education system, NHS and transport.

[bots]

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

that's just utter rubbish quite frankly

[Nicky91]

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

true, why wear something where you most likely sweat in, in the summer heat

[Maru]

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

If it was voted on, isn't the bill essentially already written? I don't how parliament differs from here, but seems like if it just passing hands, then would be fine to vote through.

Without a penalty, there is no deterrent, so eventually it will have to be made into law. That ties up the hands of law enforcement. I imagine there is money to be made for folk who get these pictures as well...

[Greg!]

Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

[arista]

So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

Yes she fit it in.

Sticks if you have no time to catch Important breaking news
you are not up to scratch.
Why not have SkyNewsHD You Tube on
with Full HD 1080P.
Better for your eyes.

[Nicky91]

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

drag him :clap1: :clap1:

[arista]

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.


Yes 11PM

I agree, Sticks
but this one particular Upskirting Law
is a Vote Winner
for the PM.
Thats why that MP Sir Christopher Chope
has now said he Supports a NEW LAW against it.


You only got updated
by me, with respect
as you appear to blank Live Feed News?



FREE 1080P Live UK news
https://news.sky.com/watch-live

[Sticks]

I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire

[arista]

I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire


It will soon not be Murdochs

Comcast or Disney
will be in charge of UK SkyNews


BBC NEWS Live is good enough , also FREE
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews

add subtitles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/10318089/bbc-news-channel

[Sticks]

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

parmnion asked a question, forgetting that men also wear trousers, so the problem raised also applies to men. I provided an answer to her question. In summer, some men, notably postmen where short trousers.

I have also observed that some women also wear short trousers.

If we lived in an idealised utopian paradise where all men respected women and did not do such uncouth and despicable acts, then there would be no problems. Unfortunately we live in the real world, and some men are thoroughly reprobate and pariahs.

Given that is it not prudent to take precautions?

Here is a question for our female members here, do you go out at night after dark, as is your right to? Do you take precautions like keeping to well lit public areas, not going out alone, taking some defensive weapon like pepper spray or an assault alarm? How many of you have done some form of self defence class or training?

In the idealised utopian paradise, you should not need to, but we live in the real world so many do take such precautions and possibly others that I have missed off the list.

Some of the precautions I have listed are possibly some that might be given out by a crime prevention officer, giving advice, so what is the difference in giving advice on how to avoid being upskirted in the absence of any legislation?

[Nicky91]

parmnion asked a question, forgetting that men also wear trousers, so the problem raised also applies to men. I provided an answer to her question. In summer, some men, notably postmen where short trousers.

I have also observed that some women also wear short trousers.

If we lived in an idealised utopian paradise where all men respected women and did not do such uncouth and despicable acts, then there would be no problems. Unfortunately we live in the real world, and some men are thoroughly reprobate and pariahs.

Given that is it not prudent to take precautions?

Here is a question for our female members here, do you go out at night after dark, as is your right to? Do you take precautions like keeping to well lit public areas, not going out alone, taking some defensive weapon like pepper spray or an assault alarm? How many of you have done some form of self defence class or training?

In the idealised utopian paradise, you should not need to, but we live in the real world so many do take such precautions and possibly others that I have missed off the list.

Some of the precautions I have listed are possibly some that might be given out by a crime prevention officer, giving advice, so what is the difference in giving advice on how to avoid being upskirted in the absence of any legislation?

we can stand up for ourselves, and we can wear whatever we want, i don't want anyone else telling me what to do :mad:

[Matthew.]

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

why should that mean that this law shouldn’t be passed though? Tbh this does sound like a pretty pathetic justification

[Livia]

I'd love the queen to have one of her people call him.

"Hello, may I speak to Mr Christopher Chope?"

"You mean, Sir Christopher Chope."

"No I don't."

[Sticks]

If it was voted on, isn't the bill essentially already written? I don't how parliament differs from here, but seems like if it just passing hands, then would be fine to vote through.

Without a penalty, there is no deterrent, so eventually it will have to be made into law. That ties up the hands of law enforcement. I imagine there is money to be made for folk who get these pictures as well...

Under the UK system bills also have to be debated in the House of Lords where amendments may be put on, then it gets sent back to the House of Commons where a government might seek to overturn any of the Lord's amendments, plus there are committee stages of a bill which also takes time.

Actually this link here (https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/) describes the process better than I can.

As you can see it takes up quite a bit of time before it becomes law with Royal Ascent. Britain is now in a situation of the biggest constitutional change ever as it seeks to separate from the European Union, and a number of EU laws need to be copied into UK law before we leave on 29 March 2019.

There just is not the parliamentary time with such a complicated bill as the EU withdrawal bill for smaller bills like the one that was blocked on Friday. There are some remedies available already, such as use of the public order offence or Actions likely to cause a breach of the Queen's peace, or outraging public decency or voyeurism, so is this really a good use of precious parliamentary time?

[Livia]

A good use of parliamentary time is to ensure that measures are in place to ensure the safety and privacy of its citizens. If Parliament had time to concentrate on Brexit only, then there's more wrong than anyone ever thought possible. Besides, the laws we already have are not sufficient to deal with upskirting. Otherwise intelligent people wouldn't be wasting their time trying to get a new law introduced.

[arista]

A good use of parliamentary time is to ensure that measures are in place to ensure the safety and privacy of its citizens. If Parliament had time to concentrate on Brexit only, then there's more wrong than anyone ever thought possible. Besides, the laws we already have are not sufficient to deal with upskirting. Otherwise intelligent people wouldn't be wasting their time trying to get a new law introduced.


Correct Livia
it is never "Brexit Only"

Ref: Daily Politics BBC2HD Mon to Fri
and SkyNewsHD All Out Politics Mon to Fri

[Maru]

UK legislator who blocked 'upskirting' law says he favors it
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/17/uk-legislator-who-blocked-upskirting-law-says-favors-it.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fworld+%28Internal+-+World+Latest+-+Text%29



LONDON – The British legislator who singlehandedly blocked a proposal to make taking "upskirting" photos illegal says he favors the proposed law but stopped it because of the way it was introduced in Parliament.

Conservative Party lawmaker Christopher Chope ended his silence on the matter Sunday, telling the Bournemouth Daily Echo he stopped the bill because of his long opposition to bills proposed by backbench lawmakers rather than the government.

He objected when the bill was put forward in Parliament Friday, ending the debate and angering Prime Minister Theresa May and others who want upskirting to be made a criminal offense.

Upskirting involves taking a photo or video under someone's clothing without their consent. It has become common with the spread of smartphones.

Supporters plan to try again in July.

[Kizzy]

By his own admission he's seen many of his own bills introduced in this manner, so he's either a liar or a hypocrite.

[arista]

By his own admission he's seen many of his own bills introduced in this manner, so he's either a liar or a hypocrite.


No Kizzy
he was not aware of the subject matter
he shouts Object,
at everything taking his Brexit time.

After a day or so he was made aware
and gave a interview to his local paper
now after all the news channels
showed him what upskirting is.

[user104658]

he was not aware of the subject matter
he shouts Object

While I believe this is probably the truth about what happened... it's not really all that much better is it :think:.

"Oh I have no idea what this is about. OBJECT!!"

[Kazanne]

I hope when this law is implemented ,and it will be,that the pervy newspapers who take pics of women getting out of cars or bending over etc,also feel the force of the law, they rant and rage over pervs ,and there they are displaying unflattering pictures of women,as for this idiot of a person who blocked it,he wont last long.

[Tom4784]

I hope when this law is implemented ,and it will be,that the pervy newspapers who take pics of women getting out of cars or bending over etc,also feel the force of the law, they rant and rage over pervs ,and there they are displaying unflattering pictures of women,as for this idiot of a person who blocked it,he wont last long.

That's the hypocrisy of the media for you, Daily Mail is particularly bad for it. You'll see an article slamming crimes like this while in the columns you'll see articles about various women in compromising positions.

[lime]

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever
Allthough my English is not great ...I read your post and tried again incase I missunderstood it ...but sadly no....Your idea of rocket science is for women not to wear skirts...???the world is gone mad now Stick's...I saw a woman driving a car last week....I/m still not the better of it

[Maru]

And the whole time I thought "OBJECT" meant we were having a conversation about objectifying women... maybe they misinterpreted what he really was trying to say. :laugh:

[arista]

And the whole time I thought "OBJECT" meant we were having a conversation about objectifying women... maybe they misinterpreted what he really was trying to say. :laugh:



But he has now said Sorry
I posted it long before your link

[arista]

I hope when this law is implemented ,and it will be,that the pervy newspapers who take pics of women getting out of cars or bending over etc,also feel the force of the law, they rant and rage over pervs ,and there they are displaying unflattering pictures of women,as for this idiot of a person who blocked it,he wont last long.


But they are Women Celebs
not the same deal Kaz
as the young public lady (at a music festival, Police told her they can not do much under the current law )
that got all this going
to be fair


The female corrie Star
who got angry on GMBHD itv
a few weeks ago
can afford a Security guard etc.

[arista]

Upskirting Urgent Question
is Live now in UK Parliament

The LibDem MP is happy.

Lucy Frazer MP
Justice Minister

[Maru]

But he has now said Sorry
I posted it long before your link

No arista, I'm talking about the title of the thread. I didn't realize they say "object" there when voting something down, so it took on a whole different meaning ... I think here we just use "Nay"

[arista]

No arista, I'm talking about the title of the thread. I didn't realize they say "object" there when voting something down, so it took on a whole different meaning ... I think here we just use "Nay"


Yes I would have Edited the Title
made it Bigger.

[Sticks]

Allthough my English is not great ...I read your post and tried again incase I missunderstood it ...but sadly no....Your idea of rocket science is for women not to wear skirts...???the world is gone mad now Stick's...I saw a woman driving a car last week....I/m still not the better of it

This is an expression. There is a similar expression to "It's not rocket science" which is "It's not brain surgery"

Rocket science is seen as very difficult to do and only done by very very clever people as rocketry requires things like engineering, fuel issues, telemetry, ballistics, trajectories, avionics, electronics, aerodynamics, software engineering, space medicine.

Likewise Brain surgery is also seen as very a highly specialised branch of medicine.

When someone says something is not rocket science it means that it should not be hard to understand, grasp or carry out

What I said was that, in the absence of any legislation banning upskirting, and if some believe existing laws are not sufficient, the easiest way to thwart those deviant scum bags carrying out upskirting, is to wear trousers.

This is something, at least in Newcastle most women already do, of their own choice. The most popular form seemed to be jeans.

[Beso]

No arista, I'm talking about the title of the thread. I didn't realize they say "object" there when voting something down, so it took on a whole different meaning ... I think here we just use "Nay"

Parmnion educating the western world.:dance:

[Kizzy]

No Kizzy
he was not aware of the subject matter
he shouts Object,
at everything taking his Brexit time.

After a day or so he was made aware
and gave a interview to his local paper
now after all the news channels
showed him what upskirting is.

bollocks

[Kizzy]

This is an expression. There is a similar expression to "It's not rocket science" which is "It's not brain surgery"

Rocket science is seen as very difficult to do and only done by very very clever people as rocketry requires things like engineering, fuel issues, telemetry, ballistics, trajectories, avionics, electronics, aerodynamics, software engineering, space medicine.

Likewise Brain surgery is also seen as very a highly specialised branch of medicine.

When someone says something is not rocket science it means that it should not be hard to understand, grasp or carry out

What I said was that, in the absence of any legislation banning upskirting, and if some believe existing laws are not sufficient, the easiest way to thwart those deviant scum bags carrying out upskirting, is to wear trousers.

This is something, at least in Newcastle most women already do, of their own choice. The most popular form seemed to be jeans.

How about women just go the whole hog and wear a burka?... if men are so predatory they cant control their urges at the sight of a bare leg then that seems the only option...

[Beso]

How about women just go the whole hog and wear a burka?... if men are so predatory they cant control their urges at the sight of a bare leg then that seems the only option...

Its all in the eyes.:flowers:

[Maru]

Parmnion educating the western world.:dance:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1XGN8JgOnzYTmC3K/giphy.gif

[Livia]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1XGN8JgOnzYTmC3K/giphy.gif

https://steemitimages.com/DQmVpvPqANTEqMzEJjd1jXyYRFyxQJ5bV51QeU9EqEGZ3z4/overruled.gif

[Beso]

:hehe:

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/gDzLS6N.jpg

[Kizzy]

This should highlight if anything the fact that this man and others have been appointed 'bouncers'.... NOTHING no matter what it is is allowed to pass the govt do not want ANYTHING getting through that they are not the instigators of.
This is why the guy got his knighthood to ensure his place as tory gatekeeper.